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Roofing Filters: What are they, and how do they Help? David Treharne N8HKU Ford Amateur Radio League May 8 th , 2014

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Roofing Filters: What are they, and how do they Help?. David Treharne N8HKU Ford Amateur Radio League May 8 th , 2014. What is a Roofing Filter. - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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Page 1: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

Roofing Filters: What are they, and how do they Help?

David TreharneN8HKU

Ford Amateur Radio LeagueMay 8th, 2014

Page 2: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

What is a Roofing Filter

• A filter that is just after the first mixer that reduces the passband frequencies allowed into the first IF amplifier, with the goal of reducing the interference effect of strong signals near to the desired signal.– A strong signal can reduce the receiver sensitivity– The mixing products of strong signals can also

reduce receiver sensitivity

Page 3: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

Normal IF versus Roofing• A normal first IF frequency, in the 9 MHz band, has a pass

band of 6-20kHz. – A 9 MHz IF requires a receiver to upconvert frequencies below

the IF and downconvert frequencies above this frequency. • A VHF IF superhet has an IF frequency at 70 MHz, which is

very difficult to achieve even this level of passband. Very expensive to create a precise roofing filter.

• A roofing filter will have a passband close to the desired signal width, 2.5kHz or down to several hundred Hz for CW.

Page 4: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

AC0C Discussion on Roofing Filters

• PDF format discussion

• The author, Jeff Blaine, also gives an interesting discussion on how a radio without a roofing filter can improve performance in the presence of strong, nearby signals– Turn off any preamps– Add some attenuation, if available.

Page 5: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

Super Narrow Filters• Difficult to tune– Must be right on the signal– The received signal had better be

frequency stable!– Causes distortion of SSB received voice

if narrower than 2.3kHz to 2.8kHz.• The filter passes the frequencies

within the passband unevenly– Causes ringing– Causes phase delays. RTTY can be

affected. More complicated modulation approaches also affected.

Page 6: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

In Band Interference• A Roofing filter is no good inside the passband of the receiver. W9OY feels

a full SDR is better at reducing distortion inside the passband. Note that these are two S9 signals, representing crowded band conditions.

http://w9oy-sdr.blogspot.com/2009/02/imd-what-imd.html

Flat response, no distortion products

Note the intermodulation products, and curved bandpass, showing distortion.

Page 7: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

Recommendations

• Most operators who have used a variety of filters recommend:

• 2.3-2.8 kHz for SSB• 700 Hz for CW and Digital – Common RTTY Mark and Space delta is 170 Hz.

• Need 6kHz for AM• Need 15kHz for FM

Page 8: Roofing Filters:  What are they, and how do they Help?

Last Take• The Quest for a Perfect radio will go on, probably forever.

– Part of this is that a good ragchew radio is not the same as a high end contest radio.

• Each radio out there has its Promoters and Detractors: – Flex SDR radios difficult to set up, need a Firewire computer

hook up, etc.– Elecraft: Some love them, some hate them– Icom: Some 9100 units overheat and shutdown

• What have I heard during Field Day?– Radios with a good front end do not get much interference

with CW/Digital/SSB on the same band!