ravp consultation summary report. richmond airport vancouver consultation

RAVP Consultation Summary Report

KIRK & CO. CONSULTING LTD. March, 2003

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i Executive Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1

1. Overview . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .31.1 Consultation Purpose . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .41.2 Consultation Methods and Schedules . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .41.3 How Public Feedback Will Be Used . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4

2. Consultation Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .52.1 Feedback Form Results (quantitative) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5

2.1.1 Summary of Results . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .52.1.2 Comparison of Consultation Results (Quantitative) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7

with Attitude Survey Results (Synovate Research)2.2 Feedback Form Results (qualitative) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8

2.2.1 Key-Theme Summary Vancouver . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .82.2.2 Key-Theme Summary Richmond . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .9

2.3 Key-Theme Summary of Public Workshops . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .102.3.1 Key-Theme Summary Richmond Public Workshop (Mar.8) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .102.3.2 Key-Theme Summary Vancouver Public Workshop (Mar.12) . . . . . . . . . . . . .102.3.3 Key-Theme Summary Vancouver Public Workshop (Mar.15) . . . . . . . . . . . . .11

2.4 Key-Theme Summary of Small Group Meetings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .122.5 Key-Theme Summary of Correspondence . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13

3. Consultation Record (Appendices) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .153.1 Feedback Forms (quantitative) (breakdown by question)3.2 Feedback Forms Comments (qualitative)3.3 Public Workshops3.4 Small Group Meetings3.5 Correspondence3.6 Consultation Materials

Discussion Guide & Feedback Form Post Card Information Boards Website; English and Chinese www.ravprapidtransit.com Power-Point Presentation Public Notice (Sun, Province, Ming Pao, Sing Tao, Richmond News

& Richmond Review) Newspaper Information Piece (Sun, Province, Ming Pao, Sing Tao)



E X E C U T I V E S U M M A R Y

Consultation Summary ReportThis Consultation Summary Report is the record ofpublic input related to the Richmond AirportVancouver Rapid Transit Project community consultation held in March 2003. This summaryprovides consultation participants, the public,elected officials and agency decision makers with aquantitative and qualitative summary of communityfeedback regarding the proposed rail rapid transitline.

The Proposed RAV LineThe Richmond Airport Vancouver Rapid TransitProject (RAVP) is a proposed rail rapid transit lineconnecting central Richmond, the Airport and SeaIsland, central Broadway and downtown Vancouver.While the exact alignment has not been selected,the proposed line follows No. 3 Road in Richmond,Grant McConachie Way to the Airport, alongCambie Street into downtown Vancouver andalong Granville Street, terminating at the existingWaterfront Station.

The Purpose of the RAVP CommunityConsultation 2003The purpose of the community consultation was toshare the results of the RAVP Project DefinitionPhase through a consultation Discussion Guide andfeedback form. Participants attended open houses,three public workshops, and 17 small group meet-ings. They also accessed information and providedfeedback through the web, by fax, and throughwritten correspondence. Consultation materialswere available in English and Chinese.

Consultation Results More than 1500 people participated in the RAVP Community Consultation.

Overall, there is strong support for the proposedRichmond Airport Vancouver rail rapid transit line.Quantitative results from approximately 1300 feed-back forms include:

Support for Proceeding with the Proposed Line 82% somewhat or strongly agree with the

project proceeding at an estimated cost of $1.5 to $1.7 billion.

Support for the Route -- No. 3 Road, GrantMcConachie Way, Cambie Street to WaterfrontStation in downtown Vancouver 73.2% of consultation participants support the

proposed route in its entirety.

Underground, At Street, Above Street Level (elevated) 64.6 % of participants prefer elevated to at-street

level if underground is not possible. 71.1 % of participants prefer underground to

elevated if at-street level is not possible. 82.1 % of participants prefer underground to at-

street level if elevated is not possible.

Qualitative results are summarized into key themesfrom the narrative comments collected fromapproximately one third of the feedback forms(400 of the1300) public workshop notes, smallgroup meeting notes and correspondence.

The qualitative comments generally fall into two groups. The first group supports the proposedproject because they think it addresses issues ofdensity and congestion. Many of these said thatTransLink should get on with the project.

The second group does not support the proposedproject although they tend to support rapid transitto Richmond. This group wants the ArbutusCorridor used for rapid transit or they wantTransLink to increase bus service to increase transitcapacity.

Members of both groups tend to have concernsabout preserving the Cambie Heritage Boulevardand generally many think an underground systemwould address this concern.

Some people commented on the need to supportbicycle use by allowing bicycles on any new transitsystem and finally, some people had concernsabout the role of the private sector in the pro-posed RAV line.

How Public Feedback Will Be UsedFeedback gathered through this consultation viathe web, fax, newspaper information pieces, openhouses, public workshops and small group meetingsis recorded and summarized in this ConsultationSummary Report, which will be presented with aTechnical report to Contributing Agencies;TransLink, the Provincial Government, and theAirport Authority. It will also be presented toParticipating Agencies; City of Vancouver, City ofRichmond, and the Greater Vancouver RegionalDistrict. The Consultation Summary Report will beposted on the web and distributed to consultationparticipants.

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1 . O V E R V I E W

Consultation Summary ReportThis Consultation Summary Report is the publicinput record related to the Richmond AirportVancouver Rapid Transit Project community consul-tation held in March 2003.This summary providesconsultation participants, the public, elected officialsand agency decision makers with a quantitativeand qualitative summary of public feedbackregarding the proposed rail rapid transit line.

The Proposed RAV LineThe Richmond Airport Vancouver Rapid TransitProject (RAVP) is a proposed rail rapid transit lineconnecting central Richmond, the Airport and SeaIsland, central Broadway and downtown Vancouver.While the exact alignment has not been selected,the proposed line follows No. 3 Road in Richmond,Grant McConachie Way to the Airport, alongCambie Street into downtown Vancouver andalong Granville Street, terminating at the existingWaterfront Station.

The Contributing and Participating AgenciesThe Richmond Airport Vancouver Rapid TransitProject is a collaboration of eight agencies; theGovernment of Canada, the Province of BritishColumbia, TransLink and the VancouverInternational Airport Authority (ContributingAgencies) and the cities of Richmond andVancouver, the Vancouver Port Authority and theGreater Vancouver Regional District (ParticipatingAgencies).

Why do we need a Richmond Airport VancouverRail Rapid Transit Line?The Vancouver/Richmond corridor is one of threetrunk corridors identified for rapid transit in theGVRDs Livable Region Strategic Plan (LRSP) andTransLinks Strategic Transportation Plan. It is alsopart of city planning policies in Richmond andVancouver. In addition to transportation policywork, there have been many technical studiesregarding a rapid transit connection in thenorth/south corridor, dating back to the 1970s.

The north-south corridor between Richmond, theAirport and Vancouver is one of the busiest in theregion. Over the next 20 years, population willgrow significantly; by 50% in Vancouvers centralbusiness district and by 75% in central Richmond.By 2021, employment will grow by 25% in

Vancouvers central business district, 70% in centralRichmond and 70% at the airport. Congestion isincreasing. Greater congestion slows down themovement of people and goods. It increases airpollution, hinders our economy and ultimatelydiminishes our overall quality-of-life. We need toadd capacity in a sustainable way.

How much will the Richmond Airport VancouverLine Cost?It is estimated that a rail rapid transit line will cost$1.5 to $1.7 billion to build. Similar to virtually alltransit systems in the world, a Richmond-Airport-Vancouver rapid transit system cannot pay for con-struction with fares alone and will require a signifi-cant amount of public funding. A project of thissize will also require some private sector invest-ment. TransLink, the Province and the Airport arediscussing their respective contributions. Thesecontributions, together with funding from theFederal Government, could provide sufficient pub-lic funding. The successful conclusion of these dis-cussions will depend on funding from the FederalGovernment of approximately $450 million.

A summary financial analysis completed byPricewaterhouseCoopers (available atwww.ravprapidtransit.com) concluded that withthese public sector contributions and a contribu-tion from the private sector, the RAV rapid transitline is financially feasible. The study says thatdepending on the configuration, ridership will beapproximately 26 38 million per year by 2010,which will produce enough fare revenue to coveroperating costs in certain configurations.

The RAVP Project Definition PhaseThe project team responsible for extensive technicaland financial analysis of the proposed line over atwo-year period completed the most recent phaseof work, the Project Definition Phase, in February,2003. The objective of this phase of work included:

Defining the requirements of the rail rapid transitline connecting Vancouver, Richmond and theAirport;

Identifying a structure to build and pay for theline; and

Evaluating whether it was feasible to completeconstruction of the line by 2009.

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1.1 Consultation purpose

The purpose of the community consultation was toshare the results of the RAVP Project DefinitionPhase through a consultation Discussion Guide andfeedback form. Public participation and feedbackwas sought through the web, a newspaper infor-mation piece, open houses, three public workshopsand 17 small-group meetings during the month ofMarch, 2003. Consultation materials were availablein English and Chinese.

1.2 Consultation Methods and Schedule

Public Consultation

Discussion Guide & Feedback FormMar. 3 Discussion Guide and feedback formlaunched on the web www.ravprapidtransit.com

Mar. 3 Notice of Consultation in The VancouverSun, Province, Ming Pao, Sing Tao, RichmondReview and Richmond News

Mar. 6 Newspaper information piece and feedbackform in The Vancouver Sun & Province, Ming Pao,Sing Tao

Open Houses and Public WorkshopsMar. 3-14 Open Houses Open House materialsdisplayed in Richmond and Vancouver City Halls,Vancouver International Airport and RichmondCentre Mall

Mar. 8 Public Workshop Richmond. A half-dayworkshop using the Discussion Guide & Feedbackform to focus discussion and collect feedback.Time and Location: 9:00 am 12:00 pm, RichmondCity Hall No.3 Road & Granville, Council Chambers

March 12 Public Workshop Vancouver. Anevening public meeting included a presentationand question & answer session. The DiscussionGuide was circulated and feedback collectedthrough a feedback form.Time and Location: 6:00 pm 9:00 pm, VancouverPublic Library

March 15 Public Workshop Vancouver. A half-daypublic meeting included a presentation and question & answer session. The Discussion Guidewas circulated and feedback collected through afeedback form.Time and Location: 9:00 am 12:00 pm, Plaza 500 500 W. 12th Ave. Vancouver

Feb. - Mar. Small Group Meetings 17 meetings with community organizations were scheduled inFebruary and March.

Consultation Summary ReportMar. 24-31 Consultation Summary Report will bepresented with a Technical report to ContributingAgencies and Participating Agencies

1.3 How Public Feedback Will Be Used

Feedback gathered through this consultation viathe web, fax, newspaper information pieces, openhouses, public meetings and small group meetingsis recorded and summarized in this ConsultationSummary Report , which will be presented with aTechnical report to Contributing Agencies;TransLink, the Provincial Government, and theAirport Authority. It will also be presented toParticipating Agencies; City of Vancouver, City ofRichmond, and the Greater Vancouver RegionalDistrict. The Consultation Summary Report will be posted on the web and distributed to consultation participants.

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2 . C O N S U LT A T I O N S U M M A R Y

More than 1500 people participated in the RAVPCommunity Consultation held in March, 2003.Participants attended open houses, three publicworkshops, and 17 small group meetings. They alsoaccessed information and provided feedbackthrough the web, by fax, and through written cor-respondence.

2.1 Feedback Form Results1 (quantitative)

An 18-page Discussion Guide provided consultationparticipants with information about the proposed railrapid transit line and encouraged feedback through atwo-page feedback form. The following summarizesquantitative feedback tabulated from 1334 feedbackforms received during the RAVP CommunityConsultation in March 2003.

2.1.1 Summary Results2

Support for Proceeding with the Proposed Line 82 % somewhat or strongly agree with the project

proceeding at an estimated cost of $1.5 to $1.7billion.

Support for the Route -- No. 3 Road, GrantMcConachie Way, Cambie Street to WaterfrontStation in downtown Vancouver 73.2% of consultation participants support the

proposed route in its entirety.

Direct Travel 91.2% of participants somewhat or strongly

agree, it is important to provide direct travel,meaning passengers will not transfer betweenRichmond City Centre and downtown Vancouver.

89.4% of participants somewhat or stronglyagree, it is important to provide direct travel,meaning passengers will not have to transferbetween the airport and downtown Vancouver.

Travel Time 89.1% somewhat or strongly agree with the state-

ment, with a new rail rapid transit line, the travelfrom Richmond Centre to Waterfront Stationshould be no more than 30 minutes.

87.4% somewhat or strongly agree with the state-ment, the travel time from the Airport toWaterfront Station should be no more than 25minutes.(see graph, next page)

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1. Refer to Appendix 3.1 for a detailed breakdown of feedbackform quantitative results and Appendix 3.5 for the feedbackform in the Discussion Guide and newspaper piece.

2. graphics use rounded numbers.



Underground, At Street, Above Street Level (elevated) 64.6 % of participants prefer elevated to at-street

level if underground is not possible.

71.1 % of participants prefer underground to elevated if at-street level is not possible.

82.1 % of participants prefer underground to at-street level if elevated is not possible.

Transit use 79.5 % of participants would be somewhat or

very likely to use the RAV line, if the rail rapid transit service is completed.

System Preferences Participants rate travel time, reliability of the

system and easy connections as the three mostimportant factors if they were to use the line.

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0 10 20 30 % 50 60 70 80

Future Consultation Participants selected a variety of consultation

methods for the future, showing a preference fornewspaper information pieces.

Travel in the Corridor 62.1% of participants have taken transit within

the last 30 days.

85% of participants have travelled betweenVancouver and Richmond in the last 30 days.

The following comparison is provided by SynovateResearch, a Vancouver-based international market research firm.

2.1.2 Comparison of Consultation Results(Quantitative) with Attitude Survey Results(Synovate Research)3

Total Number of Feedback Forms 1334Attitude Survey Random Sample: 501

When comparing results of two different method-ologies, one needs to be cognizant of how respon-dents were selected for the study. In the case ofthe consultation Feedback Forms, participantsselfselected into the process. For the AttitudeSurvey, it was a widely accepted random selectionprocess. One should also be aware that in the caseof feedback forms not everybody answers everyquestion. Further, question order differencesbetween the two studies may also play a role inyielding different responses. Typically, randomsamples are more statistically reliable than mostforms of selfselect surveys

Generally speaking, on two of the major issues;support for the project in general, and the routealignment, proportions of support or agreementare similar to that collected in the Attitude Survey.

Concept SupportIn particular, support for the project concept is similar between the two study samples. A total of82% of Feedback Form respondents support theRAV Project compared to 79% of the GVRD respondents in the Attitude Survey. What is worthnoting, however, is that the level of strong supportis markedly higher amongst Feedback Formrespondents: 69% versus 45% in the AttitudeSurvey. Similarly,strong opposition to the projectis markedly higher among Feedback Form respon-dents: 14% versus 7%.

Route AlignmentEight-five percent of Feed back Form respondentssupport the route either in its entirely or at leastpart of it which is similar to the 79% recorded inthe Attitude Survey. Again we see, however, thatthere is stronger support for the route in its entiretyamongst Feedback Form respondents (73%) thanGVRD residents in the Attitude Survey (50%).



3. Synovate has reviewed the tables that summarize the quanti-tative consutation results and found that the calculations arecorrect. Any minor differences are accounted for by rounding.

Grade IssuesThere were some differences between the twostudy response patterns when underground wasnt possible fewer Feedback Form respondentschose above street level than did Lower MainlandResidents in the Attitude Survey - 65% versus 71%respectively. The flip side of this is that moreFeedback Form respondents chose the at streetlevel option than did Lower Mainland AttitudeSurvey respondents: 35% compared to 23%.

And when street level was not possible 71% offeedback Form respondents versus just 48% ofAttitude Survey respondents chose undergroundrather than elevated.

When above street level wasnt possible the resultswere quite similar - underground was chosen by82% of Feedback Form Respondents compared to70% of Attitude Survey Respondents.

Likelihood to UseA markedly higher percentage of Feedback Formrespondents (79%) appear to indicate they aremore likely (somewhat or very) to use the new linethan are Attitude Survey Lower Mainland residents(48%).

Most Important Trip AspectComparison of results between the two studiessuggest a very similar response pattern: Thirty-fivepercent of Lower Mainland Attitude Survey respon-dents said Travel Time was the most importantaspect while a similar percentage (38% of thosewho made a first choice) of Feedback Form respon-dents stated that it, too, was the most important

aspect of the trip. However, it is worth noting thatreliability and ease of connection receive consider-ably higher mentions as the most important aspectamongst Feedback Form respondents than theydid amongst Attitude Survey respondents.

Feedback Form respondents chose other responsesfrom a list of responses while Attitude Surveyrespondents provided their responses unprompted.

Direct Travel, No TransferWe observed very similar levels of agreement tothe statement that it is important that passengerswill not have to transfer either between Richmondto downtown or from the Airport to downtown. Inthe case of Richmond to downtown, 91% ofFeedback Form respondents and 87% of AttitudeSurvey respondents either very or somewhatagreed to this statement.

Eighty-nine percent of Feedback Form respondentscompared to 88% of Attitude Survey respondentsagreed to the statement as it relates to the Airportto downtown

Travel Time from Richmond to DowntownA greater proportion of Feedback Form respon-dents (89%) than Attitude Survey respondents(83%) agreed that travel should be no more than30 minutes.

Travel Time from the Airport to DowntownA greater Number of Feedback Form respondents(87%) than Attitude Survey respondents (84%)agreed that travel time should be no more than 25 minutes.

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2.2 Feedback Form Results (qualitative) Of 1334 feedback forms, approximately 400 includedqualitative comments. The following summarizesthese narrative comments into key themes.

2.2.1 Key Theme Summary - Vancouver(feedback form narrative comments)

Cambie CorridorMany of those who provided comments supportthe Cambie Corridor as the proposed route sayingit has the highest density and would serve themost people.

Others oppose the use of the Cambie Corridor citingconcern for boulevard trees and green space. Inopposing the use of the Cambie Corridor, some

participants suggest that the Arbutus Corridorwould be a better choice because a rail corridoralready exists there.

Arbutus CorridorMany of those who provided comments said thatthe Arbutus Corridor would be a superior choicefor rail rapid transit relative to the Cambie Corridor.Some are of the opinion that it would be lessexpensive because of the existing rail corridor onArbutus.

Some participants were critical that they were presented with a proposed rail rapid transit line onCambie rather than a full comparison of Cambieand Arbutus.

Buses and Rapid Transit Technology Buses were mentioned by many people as a rapidtransit technology option worth considering ratherthan the proposed rail rapid transit project.

A desire for improved bus service is mentioned bymany people.

Some participants express strong support forSkyTrain saying it has low operating costs and highcarrying capacity. Some say SkyTrain is a safe andfast train that is very frequent - all things that makeit attractive to users.

Underground, at street level, above street (elevated)A preference for underground along Cambie isexpressed by many in their feedback form com-ments and it is suggested by some that big citiessuch as Paris, London and New York preserve theircharacter and beauty by going underground withtheir rapid transit systems. Others suggest thatabove-ground (elevated) systems provide betterviews. Still others do not want a street-level systembecause they are concerned about cross traffic anddelays in travel time.

BicyclesMany participants noted the importance ofencouraging bicycle use and asked that bicycles be allowed on the proposed rapid transit line aswell as existing SkyTrain lines.

TransLink directors and RAV project managers were asked to seriously consider an arterial bicycleroute adjacent to the RAV line plus a safe and convenient bicycle feeder network to and from the RAV line.

Proceed with the ProjectMany comments said get on with building theRichmond Airport Vancouver rapid transit line assoon as possible. Some comments included thenotion that Vancouver needs to catch up withother large cities in the world.

Other comments highlight the need for financialaccountability and transparency and some expressconcerns about the cost of the system saying theythink the project should be built for under $1billion.

Future ConsultationRegarding future consultation if the project pro-ceeds, some people said they think direct mail tohouseholds directly affected by the line should be

a method used in future consultation. Others ques-tioned why any further consultation would be use-ful if a decision to go ahead is made. Some saidconsultation is not useful and is a waste of money.

Private-Sector InvolvementThere was some concern expressed that theRichmond Airport Vancouver rapid transit lineshould be operated by the public sector.

Economic BenefitsSome participants commented about the econom-ic benefits of the line saying it would serveemployment destinations and create jobs for thoseinvolved in construction and operation of the line.

2.2.2 Key Theme Summary -- Richmond (feedback form narrative comments)

No. 3 RoadSome participants have concerns that an at-gradesystem on No.3 Road will increase congestion andnegatively effect businesses. Some say No.3 Road is too narrow to accommodate a rail rapid transitsystem.

Proceed with the ProjectComments focus on the need to get on with build-ing the project. Some say the proposed rail rapidtransit line is long overdue.

BicyclesSome participants say the rapid transit line shouldbe able to carry bicycles

Arbutus CorridorSome participants said they believe the ArbutusCorridor would be cheaper and provide moredirect access to UBC.

Underground, at street level, above street (elevated)Some participants are concerned about the visualimpacts of an elevated system. Others are con-cerned about the issues of congestion they believewould be caused by an at-street level system, par-ticularly on No.3 Road in Richmond.

Park & RideSome participants suggest that Park & Ride facilitiesneed to be integrated into the plans for theRichmond Airport Vancouver line -- in Richmondand Vancouver.





2.3 Key-Theme Summary of Public Workshops

The public workshops were designed to create anopportunity for residents to learn more about theRichmond Airport Vancouver Rapid Transit Project(RAVP). Each public workshop began with andoverview of the regional transportation network followed by an overview of the proposed RichmondAirport Vancouver Rapid Transit Project. Workshopsincluded a question and answer session and partici-pants were encouraged to complete feedback forms.A record was kept of each public workshop (appendix3.3)

Approximately 555 people attended the three publicworkshops; approximately 75 in Richmond, 180 at theVancouver Public Library and approximately 300 atthe Plaza 500 meeting in Vancouver.

2.3.1 Key-Theme Summary of Richmond Public Workshop(March 8, 2003 Richmond City Hall)

Cambie Corridor or Arbutus CorridorIn the first part of the meeting, some residentsexpressed a desire for a more extensive look at theoption of using the Arbutus Corridor as the pre-ferred route for a rapid transit line. Individualsholding this perspective would like TransLink toprepare a direct comparison between the tworoutes. Participants supporting this perspectiveexpressed concern about trees on the CambieBoulevard, potential for increased crime, potentialimpact on single-family residences, and impacts onlocal bus service (i.e. concern that the servicewould be reduced).

Approximately an equal number of participantsindicated that they wanted the proposed Cambieline built without delay. They favoured the proposalbeing presented and supported grade separation,specifically an elevated system wherever it wastechnically or financially feasible.

No. 3 Road and Congestion A small group discussion focused on Richmondissues. Participants were concerned that No. 3Road would be even more congested with a streetlevel system, therefore most wanted the systemelevated. There was also a concern about bus rout-ing to the proposed bus terminal at RichmondCentre and concern about the terminal itself.

Generally, those involved in this discussion, wereinterested in the types of rail rapid transit technol-ogy being considered, safety issues and how theline would connect with Richmond Centre. Therewere concerns about local impacts (i.e. visual andtraffic impacts) and suggestions for extension ofthe system at both ends (e.g. out to UBC and toSteveston). There was support for a wide range ofconsultative methods to address community con-cerns should the project proceed.

More Information Regarding the Proposed RAV Line A second small group discussion focused onVancouver issues. Generally, those involved in thisdiscussion, wanted more information (e.g. aboutcosts, the decision-making process etc.). Theyexpressed support for the Arbutus route and feltthat TransLink needed to develop the same qualityof information for a proposed line on Arbutus asthey had for Cambie so that a fair comparisoncould be made. This group did not oppose rapidtransit but wanted a fuller range of options andtechnologies to be considered.

2.3.2 Key-Theme Summary of Vancouver Public Workshop (March 12, 2003 Vancouver Public Library)

Cambie Corridor or Arbutus CorridorOf the 32 speakers, approximately 19 offered support for the proposed project and 4 opposed it.Those supporting agreed with the proposal withrespect to the population and employment centresthat would be served and the potential benefits ofreducing single occupant vehicle use. Some partici-pants supported using SkyTrain technology andsome supported the system running underground.

Costs and Private Sector InvolvementSeveral speakers expressed concern about the esti-mated cost of the proposed project. Most acknowl-edged that the costs were high and therefore theproject required careful review and consideration.Concern was expressed about using a public-pri-vate partnership and whether the public interestwould be protected.

Consultation ProcessSome participants expressed concern about theRAVP consultation process. These speakers sug-gested that there was inadequate information

about impacts (e.g. on the bus system, on the aesthetics of the Cambie Corridor etc.). They alsosuggested that costing on alternative routes andsystems was needed before the public could ade-quately participate. Several speakers suggested areferendum be held on the decision to proceed.

BusesMany participants expressed support for theregion's bus system. They did not oppose the RAVproposal, however, they wanted considerationgiven to expanding the bus system and especiallythe trolleys.

Other Issues Crime, Bicycles, TechnologySeveral participants expressed concern about avariety of other issues including, local impacts suchas a potential for increased crime if the proposedline proceeds, the need for bicycle access to thesystem, and the visual impact of an at-grade or elevated system similar to SkyTrain.

2.3.3 Key-Theme Summary of Vancouver Public Workshop (March 15, 2003 Plaza 500, Vancouver)

Cambie Heritage Boulevard PreservationOf the 46 speakers, approximately 21 wereopposed to the proposed project and 18 offeredsupport. Two key themes stand out from this work-shop; participants supported the preservation ofthe Cambie Heritage Boulevard and expressed theopinion that the boulevard is important to thequality of life of those living on Cambie Street and

to those living in Vancouver generally. Participantsalso talked about the boulevard's positive impres-sion on tourists entering Vancouver.

Cambie Corridor or Arbutus CorridorMany participants in this meeting supported thedevelopment of a rapid transit system betweenVancouver and Richmond. However, there was significant disagreement about whether the pro-posed line should use the Cambie Corridor or theArbutus Corridor. A significant number of partici-pants at this meeting stated a preference for theArbutus Corridor.

Of those supporting the Cambie route, some want-ed the project built as proposed, others suggestedthe line should be underground all the way toMarine Drive or should be designed so that any at-grade or elevated portions would not be on theCambie Boulevard.

BusesOf those opposing the use of Cambie for the proposed rail rapid transit line, most suggestedenhanced bus service on Cambie to increase transit capacity.

Other Issues Cost and Private SectorInvolvementA few speakers expressed concern about cost esti-mates for the proposed line and several speakersexpressed concern about the involvement of theprivate sector in the project.



2.4 Key-Theme Summary of Small Group Meetings

This summarizes 17 small group meetings held withcommunity organizations in February and March2003. Each of these meetings created an opportunityfor participants to become better informed about theRichmond Airport Vancouver Rapid Transit project, tohave their questions answered and to provide theirfeedback on the proposed project.

Meetings1. Greater Vancouver ChambersTransportation

Planning Panel - February 13, 2003

2. Oakridge Centre, Ivanhoe Cambridge March7, 2003

3. Richmond Centre, Ivanhoe Cambridge andCadillac Fairview March 10, 2003

4. Langara College March 11, 2003

5. BEST - March 12, 2003

6. Kwantlen University College March 14, 2003

7. Greater Vancouver Gateway Council - March18, 2003

8. Past President, Cambie Boulevard HeritageSociety and Colleagues March 19, 2003

9. Lansdowne Centre March 19, 2003

10. Vancouver Economic DevelopmentCommission Board - March 19, 2003

11. UBC Transportation Advisory Committee -March 19, 2003

12. Children and Womens Health Centre - March20, 2003

13. Vancouver Regional Construction Association March 21, 2003

14. Workers' Compensation Board (WCB) March21, 2003

15. Vancouver Area Cycling Coalition March 21,2003

16. Downtown Vancouver Business ImprovementAssociation (DVBIA) March 24, 2003

17. Transport 2000 BC March 24, 2003

Key Themes

Support for ProjectIn general there is support for rapid transitbetween Vancouver, Richmond and the Airport.Participants are most interested in specific detailsof the proposed project, details that would beaddressed in the next consultation phase should adecision be taken to proceed. At several meetings(e.g. Greater Vancouver Gateway Council) sugges-tions were made on where to extend the lines afterthe initial system was complete.

StationsSome participants express an interest in the num-ber and location of stations. UBC, Langara College,Kwantlen University College and other publicorganizations want to ensure their students andemployees are well served by the proposed line.Commercial enterprises (e.g. Ivanhoe Cambridge,Cadillac Fairview and Lansdowne Centre) are inter-ested in the potential commercial opportunitiesthat may be available in and around new stationsand how revenues from these enterprises might beused to financially support the system.

Parking and Bicycles Participants (e.g. Kwantlan University College andDVBIA) want the proposed rail rapid transit line toinclude parking close to stations to encouragethose using their automobiles to park and ride. Aswell, many participants (e.g. Langara College andVancouver Area Cycling Coalition) want the newsystem to be bicycle friendly and in particular wantthe ability to take their bicycles on the trains.

BusesParticipants (e.g. BEST), raised questions about therelationship between the proposed new line andthe bus system. In particular, they indicate supportfor maintaining and, in some cases, expanding thebus system to make sure there are efficiencies forbus riders and those using the RAV Line. In addi-tion, some participants express concern for thosecurrently using the bus system (e.g. Granville RapidBus) and what might be done to ensure continuingservice for these people.

Private-Sector InvolvementParticipants (e.g. Vancouver EconomicDevelopment Commission, Vancouver RegionalConstruction Association and BEST) want to know



more about the role of the private sector in theproposed project. Some are concerned about whowould pay for cost overruns and what ability a pri-vate partner might have to raise fares.

Underground, at street level, above street (elevated)Participants in small group meetings who are fromRichmond (e.g. Ivanhoe Cambridge) generally sup-port an elevated system for the Richmond portionof the proposed line. Participants in the smallgroup meetings who are from Vancouver tend toprefer an underground system (Cambie BoulevardHeritage Society and Greater Vancouver GatewayCouncil) in the Vancouver portion of the system. In

addition some participants (e.g. DVBIA andTransport 2000) want further information on thetechnical details that led to the decision to pro-pose Cambie and details on the need for gradeseparation south of 12th Avenue to provide rapidtransit between Richmond and Vancouver.

Decision to Proceed & Ongoing role of the PublicParticipants (e.g. Cambie Boulevard HeritageSociety and WCB) are interested in the decision-making process related to deciding to proceed and the on-going role of the public if the projectproceeds.



2.5 Key-Theme Summary of Correspondence

The RAVP office received 45 emails and letters, 2074

postcards, 110 duplicate feedback forms, and 5Cambie Heritage Boulevard Society feedback forms.The following summarizes the key themes containedin this correspondence.

The 207 postcards said,We support the preserva-tion of the Cambie Street Boulevard and Weoppose the construction of a rapid transit systemon Cambie Street.

The 110 duplicate feedback forms said theyopposed the line and that, "No rail on beautifulCambie Heritage Boulevard. Use Arbutus or buses.Don't replace this beautiful boulevard with acement monster."; In addition, the forms said"Rapid Transit says the line will save 15-20 minutes.Even Mr. Cadman said that time will be lost enter-ing and exiting stations. $1.5 1.7 billion for noth-ing."; "Notify people who own property on Cambieby mail using tax statement mailing addresses";and, "Don't ruin our beautiful treed CambieHeritage Boulevard. Use Arbutus or buses."

The 5 Cambie Heritage Boulevard Society feedbackforms said,Rapid Buses for Cambie Light Rail forArbutus and No monster stations needed.

From the remaining correspondence the followingkey themes emerge:

Proceed with the ProjectOf the 45 emails and letters received, 27 supportedthe proposed Richmond Airport Vancouver RapidTransit Project. Most frequently, these participantssupported an elevated SkyTrain where appropriateand they emphasized the need to fully integratethe proposed system with the exiting SkyTrainExpo and Millennium lines. In addition several par-ticipants noted their desire to use the system tothe airport.

Cambie Corridor or Arbutus CorridorOf the 45 emails and letters received, 6 opposedrapid transit on Cambie and stated a preference forthe Arbutus Corridor as a route for rapid transit. Afew people supported this preference by notingtheir experience with the system in Calgary,Alberta. Others supported the Arbutus Corridorbecause of the existing rail line along the corridor.Several people said they want the Cambie HeritageBoulevard protected.

Other Issues Crime, Millennium extensionSome people express concern about possible safetyissues resulting from a proposed line on Cambie.Others want to have the Millennium line completedbefore adding a new project.

4. 75 postcards were received at the RAVP office, 132 werereceived by the Hon. Judith Reid, Minister of Transportation.



3 . C O N S U L T A T I O N R E C O R D ( A P P E N D I C E S )

3.1 Feedback Form Results (quantitative)

1: No. 3 Road, Grant McConachie Way, Cambie Street to Waterfront Station. The proposed general align-ment of the RAV line is No. 3 Road in Richmond, Grant McConachie Way on Sea Island, Cambie Street intoDowntown Vancouver along Davie and Granville Street terminating at the existing Waterfront Station.

Support the route in its entirety Support parts of the route Oppose the route

Richmond 116 18 2Vancouver 196 31 53Other 519 89 112Total 831 138 167 1136% 73.2% 12.1% 14.7% 100%

2. Direct Travel

A. Do you agree with the following statement: It is important to provide direct travel, meaning passengers

will not have to transfer, between Richmond City Centre and downtown Vancouver.

B. It is important to provide direct travel, meaning passengers will not have to transfer, between the Airport

and downtown Vancouver.

2A Strongly agree Somewhat agree Somewhat disagree Strongly disagree

Richmond 86 6 1 1

Vancouver 92 32 6 16

Other 316 91 17 19

Total 494 129 24 36 683

% 72.3% 18.9% 3.5% 5.3% 100%


Richmond 77 13 3 1


Other 297 101 19 26

Total 465 143 29 43 680

% 68.4% 21.0% 4.3% 6.3% 100%

3. Travel Time

A. By bus or car, the current travel time from Richmond Centre to downtown Vancouver is about 45 to 50

minutes, depending on the time of day and amount of traffic. Do you agree with the following statement:

with a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from Richmond Centre to Waterfront Station should be no

more than 30 minutes.

B. With a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from the Airport to Waterfront Station should be no more

than 25 minutes

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Richmond 77 11 3 2


Other 316 83 16 27

Total 476 128 28 46 678

% 70.2% 18.9% 4.1% 6.8% 100%

3B Strongly agree Somewhat agree Somewhat disagree Strongly disagree

Richmond 73 14 4 2


Other 292 92 22 25

Total 444 137 38 46 665

% 66.8% 20.6% 5.7% 6.9% 100%

4. Underground, At Street Level, Above Street Level (elevated) Rail rapid transit systems can operate

underground, at street level or above street level (elevated). The underground and above street level options

are more expensive to build, and where elevated, have greater visual impacts. However, underground and

elevated systems are cheaper to operate, faster, safer and more reliable than at street level systems because

they dont cross road intersections.

If approved, the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Line will probably have some underground segments, some

street-level segments and some elevated segments depending on whether they are technically and finan-

cially feasible.

4.1. on those segments where operating underground is not possible, which alternative would you prefer?:

a. at street level

b. elevated

4.2. on those segments where operating at street level is not possible, which alternative would you prefer?:

a. elevated

b. underground

4.3. on those segments where operating above street level (elevated) is not possible, which alternative

would you prefer?:

a. underground

b. at street level

4.1 At street level Elevated

Richmond 33 56

Vancouver 45 89

Other 148 267

Total 226 412 638

% 35.4% 64.6% 100%

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4.2 Elevated Underground

Richmond 26 66

Vancouver 23 116

Other 141 286

Total 190 468 658

% 28.9% 71.1% 100%

4.3 Underground At street level

Richmond 64 27

Vancouver 127 10

Other 345 80

Total 536 117 653

% 82.1% 17.9% 100%

5. Transit Use If this Richmond-Airport-Vancouver rapid transit service is completed how likely do you

think you would be to use it?

Very likely Somewhat likely Not very likely Not at all likely

Richmond 124 12 6 0


Other 497 162 61 84

Total 757 241 113 145 1256

% 60.3% 19.2% 9.0% 11.5% 100%

6. If you were to use the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Rapid Transit line, which of the following would

be most important to you? (indicate with a rating of 1, 2 or 3 your top three choices)

Hours Reliability Easy System Station Travel Time Views Reasonable OtherConnection Capacity Access Fares

Richmond

1st Choice 10 23 26 1 4 47 20 23 19

2nd Choice 14 25 25 4 19 9 6 9 4

3rd Choice 15 12 16 7 24 18 8 17 8

Total 39 60 67 12 47 74 34 49 31

Vancouver

1st Choice 14 38 33 8 21 85 2 13 14

2nd Choice 21 52 27 20 30 22 6 22 3

3rd Choice 33 30 35 19 27 21 2 25 1

Total 68 120 95 47 78 128 10 60 18





Hours Reliability Easy System Station Travel Time Views Reasonable OtherConnection Capacity Access Fares

Other

1st Choice 50 113 93 24 43 259 13 64 31

2nd Choice 67 117 133 55 70 117 12 77 9

3rd Choice 89 108 118 49 84 66 17 81 18

Total 206 338 344 128 197 442 42 222 58

Overall Total

1st Choice 74 174 152 33 68 391 35 100 26

2nd Choice 102 194 185 79 119 148 24 108 5

3rd Choice 137 150 169 75 135 105 27 123 11

Total 313 518 506 187 322 644 86 331 107 10275

% 30% 50% 49% 18%` 31% 63% 8% 32% 10%

7. The Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Rail Rapid Transit line This line is expected to cost between $1.5

and $1.7 billion, cost shared by the federal and provincial governments, TransLink, Vancouver International

Airport and the private sector. Do you agree with the project proceeding?

Strongly agree Somewhat agree Somewhat disagree Strongly disagree

Richmond 131 14 3 0


Other 586 101 27 107

Total 888 164 47 185 1284

% 69.2% 12.8% 3.7% 14.4% 100%

8. RAVP Neighbourhood Consultation (future) How would you like to be consulted if this proposed rail

rapid transit project proceeds? (check your choices)

Neighborhood Community Web Surveys Open Houses Info in Newspaper Other

Richmond 17 35 30 43 61 0

Vancouver 43 71 53 60 83 1

Other 84 163 214 199 252 2

Total 144 269 297 302 396 3 6625

% 21.8% 40.7% 44.9% 45.7% 59.9% 0.5%

Question 9: Additional Comments

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5. This base represents the number of people who answeredthe question, not the sum of totals.



Travel in the Corridor

10. Have you taken transit in the last 30 days? (Yes, No)

11. Have you travelled between Vancouver & Richmond in the last 30 days (Yes, No)

10 Yes No

Richmond 91 56

Vancouver 179 140

Other 30 293

Total 800 489 1289

% 62.1% 37.9% 100%

3.2 Feedback Forms Comments (qualitative)

This appendix contains the written comments transcribed from the Feedback Forms. It is organized by the follow-ing site collection locations: (1) Vancouver, (2) Richmond, (3) Airport and (4) Other (no location was identified).

1. VANCOUVER

1. No. 3 Road, Grant McConachie Way, Cambie Street to Waterfront Station The proposed generalalignment of the RAV line is No. 3 Road in Richmond, Grant McConachie Way on Sea Island, Cambie Streetinto Downtown Vancouver along Davie and Granville Street terminating at the existing Waterfront Station.

- I feel that the route should go down Arbutus Line.

- What about Arbutus Corridor?

- There are a lot of houses along the route that will feel the effect of lower resale value.

- More town centers on Cambie. Would get used more here than Arbutus.

- The system must not have intersections with road traffic.

- Arbutus Line? Rapid Bus Line? Cost factors for both.

- Prefer other forms of transit with less impact on communities i.e. crime.

- Oppose the route too much money. It should go on Arbutus. This is totally biased! Only rail howabout buses?

- Arbutus should be looked at.

- Arbutus corridor should be more fully utilized.

- Would prefer that Arbutus Street, rather than Cambie Street, be used for that portion of the route.Arbutus Street already has a rail line in place.

- I recommend the route goes from Waterfront up Granville to Broadway down Broadway to Hospital andup Cambie to Richmond.

- Should use SkyTrain which may require slightly different route in downtown core.

- Granville segment must be in tunnel, not at grade. All the RAV line should be in tunnel from Waterfrontto S.W. Marine Drive then elevated south to Granville, with a branch at Cambie for RAV trains to accessvehicle service facilities in Burnaby.

- Arbutus

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11 Yes No

Richmond 138 7

Vancouver 250 66

Other 685 121

Total 1073 191 1267

% 85% 15% 100%



- I feel it is far too expensive, its a disaster to change Cambie St. which looks super at present.

- Long overdue. Traffic congestion on Cambie.

- Best route as it serves major users.

- The downtown peninsula stations are wrong. Nothing at Stadiums, Davie and Howe too far east shouldbe Davie and Granville to link with west end bus loop.

- Routing the service along Cambie St. is not a good idea.

- If you did a route down Granville (from Waterfront) to Broadway, eastbound on Broadway to Cambie,then southbound, could you better serve the Broadway corridor as well with this line? (Serve two objectives with one line).

- I believe more citizen input is needed earlier in the process, not just at tendering stage of the project.

- No trains on Cambie.

- Please consider Granville & Oak routes.

- Find cost-effective alternatives.

- Keep the Cambie Heritage Blvd. intact. Go underground or choose another route.

- I support good public transit on this route this may include rapid transit.

- Until you can come up with a better solution that doesnt impact the communities negatively in anyway, then this is not acceptable.

- I believe that we should not build another subway downtown until the Waterfront Main Street sectionhas met capacity.

- Too expensive, not enough ridership, crime, drugs, litter, graffiti, vandalism, eyesore. Huge SkyTrain stations are an abomination.

- SkyTrain down Cambie even from 41st to 63rd environmental vandalism.

- Richmond Vancouver (Cambie) not bad but I support light rail and Im not sure Cambie Blvd. should beforfeited for such a project.

- I support the Arbutus Route less crowded and fewer stations means faster travel time between theAirport, and Vancouver downtown. This route is not for use by local Vancouver passengers! (City Centerto Vancouver). I needed to go to VGH last night at 3 a.m. No. buses! Example. Also there should be all-night night-owl bus service and dial-a-bus should be used on low usage bus routes to be used withsmall mini-buses or small vans.

- The most obvious choice is Cambie Do it!

- Oppose Cambie Street route. Oppose boulevard route. Oppose destroying green space. Oppose onground or above ground transit.

- If the entire route along Cambie could be underground (i.e. to Marine Drive) I would support it.However, if that isnt possible for capital cost reasons I would prefer either more B-Line buses and busonly lanes or the Arbutus corridor.

- En-route from Davie to Cambie, the line could service the crowds who have the Granville Island Marketas their destination.

- I believe the Heritage Blvd. needs to be saved. If you insist on this corridor put all of it underground.

- Underground all the way.

- Billions for buses. No SkyTrain to Richmond. Billions for Buses.

- Most likely will not use the system.

- Main Street SkyTrain to No. 3 Road: No airport branch.

- Arbutus line is most simple and money saved way to go.

- No Cambie line, Arbutus line should go on which is faster and money saver. It would have the rail there.

- Arbutus Corridor.

- The Cambie route is not shorter. A more economical route (shorter) could go from Oak or Granville andbe far more direct. The issue is downtown to Richmond. In between is not important. PARIS, LONDON,NEW YORK have preserved their Citys beauty and character by going underground for their rapid tran-sit. Preserve the beautiful entrances to our city or will lose our tourists. Travel time is not the major issue,congestion, smog, pollution, environmental preservation are. Reduction of single vehicles passengers is.For that reason I agree with rapid transit.

- Cambie has highest density and would serve most people.

- The damage to the Cambie Boulevard is incalculable.

- We want to preserve Cambie Boulevard. If residents of Richmond want ALRT they can be loaded on thetrain and sent to hell.

- Use more buses on Arbutus corridor thats why it is there.

- Other route possibilities besides Cambie or Arbutus.

- What has taken you so long? To me it is 20 years late. I would like to see a connection from Airport toHorseshoe Bay Terminal.

- I support the most economical, environmentally sound and respectful to First Nation land claims,cyclists, pedestrians. More bike routes and trolley buses.

- Opt for more frequent bus services which will be efficient and cost-effective.

- The route must service Granville Island and Granville at Broadway then go to the Hospital, City Hall andup Cambie.

- (More Buses), More Trolleys! No private partnerships.

- Align road with public transit continuation of Cambie across the Fraser.

- However I have some concerns regarding how the City of Vancouver may change zoning along CambieStreet. Transit and urban planning need to be integrated.

- I would suggest one less station in Richmond; that station density is excessive.

- Please ensure that there is justification for 10 stations South of North Arm Fraser compared to 8 stationsbetween Fraser and downtown.

- I definitely think Cambie corridor alignment is superior to Arbutus because of many employment cen-ters along corridor.

- Match the Cambie route up with the Expo route at Main and Terminus. It would greatly reduce costs.

- (1) Think you should consider going from Broadway Station (proposed) to Main Street (existing) andinto downtown. No need for rapid transit to other part of downtown. Can walk or bus from Granville (afree shuttle on Granville a la Denver?) (2) You must address concerns of residential neighborhoods to becrossed. If you address the concerns (and it can be done!) then they will support it.



- Do not disrupt the Heritage Blvd. or impact the beauty of Queen Elizabeth Park. Keep Vancouver beautiful while improving North/South transit.

- I would support the high speed train provided it is underground up to 49th. Otherwise, I would oppose it.

- In addition to the advantages in the discussion document, Cambie is already a major bus transportationroute and is optimal for lateral bus connections.

- Route ought to be along Granville Street from south end to 16th Avenue, (elevated) then east to alley,south to the Granville Island (elevated) then underground once across False Creek.

- I fully support the RAV line described here. I particularly appreciate the benefits that will accrue toGranville Street/Mall by running the RAV line under Granville from Davie Street.

- Yes on Cambie corridor, shortest, 20 minutes closer to more major destinations as well as east side rider-ship easing Knight Street congestion. Route studied to death. Granville is a poor choice as mainly resi-dential less employer destination.

- Direct frequent service to the Airport important metro style system, underground. Strong support forCambie alignment. Line should go south of the Massey Tunnel.

- Undecided at current time. However, TransLink should pick a geographical route that is designed wellfor cycling and pedestrians.

- I distinguish between the Cambie Corridor and Cambie Street. Corridor and underground allowsgreater ability to serve traffic generators like Children/Womens Hospitals.

- The north/south corridor from Richmond and Vancouver to downtown Vancouver is desperately needed.Long overdue.

- Would prefer interlining with existing line at Waterfront.

- Need more information about Bridgeport would we need to change trains to go to the airport? Or isit a continuous route splitting the line 2 lines?

- I have heard of no reports detailing ridership for the Arbutus line which should include Granville Island,4th Avenue (business and shoppers), West Broadway, Arbutus new residential and businesses, UBC (alarge employer and student body). Wealthy vehicle owners will not give up their status symbols to ridetransit. Granville, Oak, Cambie and Knight already shoulder all the vehicular traffic. The transit corridorin Arbutus must be used. It is the same distance, would be cheaper, less disruption to build and wouldserve Granville Island, West 4th and UBC.

- Get it built! And get Vancouver up to speed with other major North American cities!

- Put it down the existing line on Arbutus at-grade better yet invest in buses.

2. Direct Travel Do you agree with the following statement: (a) It is important to provide direct travel,meaning passengers will not have to transfer, between Richmond City Center and downtown Vancouver.(b) It is important to provide direct travel, meaning passengers will not have to transfer, between the Airportand Downtown Vancouver.

- 2(a) Direct travel from home to downtown would be better. Most Richmond riders do not live on No. 3Road.

- This could also be done by bus.

- (b) Unless you can improve significantly frequencies.

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- I especially want to see as much of the line elevated as possible. In the long term, this will have advan-tages concerning speed and safety, as well as providing a moving platform from which to view the magnificent that is Vancouvers natural surrounding. I very often see tourist riding SkyTrain for the view!

- The key for me is the technology and its related costs. There is no need for this project to exceed $1 billion.

3. Travel Time By bus or car, the current travel time from Richmond Center to downtown Vancouver isabout 45 to 50 minutes, depending on the time of day and amount of traffic. Do you agree with the follow-ing statement: (a) With a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from Richmond Center to WaterfrontStation should be no more than 30 minutes. (b) With a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from theAirport to Waterfront Station should be no more than 25 minutes.

- I dont know whats feasible making it as quick as possible is a priority.

- (a) 30-40 minutes is okay. (b) 25-35 minutes is okay.

- (a) ought to be less. By suburban bus from downtown to south end of Granville Street it is often 40-50minutes. Should an elevated SkyTrain line be constructed along Granville Street to reduce the waitcaused by vehicles and intersections? Yes.

- (a) No more than 25 minutes. (b) No more than 20 minutes.

- (a) 35-40 minutes is fine if technology is cheaper. (b) Ditto 30-35 minutes.

4. Underground, At Street Level, Above Street Level (Elevated) Rail rapid transit systems can operateunderground, at street level or above street level (elevated). The underground and above street leveloptions are more expensive to build, and where elevated, have greater visual impacts. However, under-ground and elevated systems are cheaper to operate, faster, safer and more reliable than at street level sys-tems because they dont cross road intersections. If approved, the Richmond/Airport/Vancouver Line willprobably have some underground segments, some street-level segments and some elevated segmentsdepending on whether they are technically and financially feasible. 4.1 on those segments where operatingunderground is not possible, which alternatives would you prefer (a) at street level (b) elevated; 4.2 on thosesegments where operating at street level is not possible, which alternative would you prefer (a) elevated (b)underground; 4.3 on those segments where operating above street level (elevated) is not possible whichwould prefer (a) underground (b) at street level.

- Arbutus not Cambie.

- 4.2 Elevated = nicer. Underground = quieter.

- 4.1 Street would dive under.

- 4.1 None at all, 4.2. Along Arbutus, 4.3 Not on Cambie on Arbutus.

- All underground except where crossing water.

- 4.3 Does this ever occur?

- 4.1 Safer

- My keyword is fun. I prefer SkyTrain which is fun, fast, and very reliable/frequent. If it isnt fun, why do it?Being in a daily sardine can is not fun. Not crowded.

- 4.2 Bull - should have a box in feedback form for at street level.

- 4.2 Depends! I want underground and preserve heritage value of Cambie and above ground some-where else.





- It depends.

- Depends on specific location.

- 4.1 ditched open. 4.2 open ditch.

- Use Arbutus or double car buses.

- This question must be broken into sections.

- 4.2 Neither.

5. Transit Use If this Richmond/Airport/Vancouver rapid transit service is completed how likely do youthink you would be to use it?

- Where bicycles will be accommodated.

- Airport access.

- Never.

- By re-routing and discontinuing existing bus services, I will be FORCED to use it.

- If I can bring my bike.

6. If you were to use the Richmond/Airport/Vancouver Rapid Transit line, which of the following wouldbe most important to you? Hours of operation, reliability of the system, easy connection to other parts ofthe transit system (i.e. Bus connections), being able to board (system capacity), easy station access, traveltime, views from the train, reasonable fares and other, please specify.

- Bicycle access is a priority.

- There are too few stations in Vancouver between Broadway and Marine Drive.

- Take my car.

- Use Main Street. It has no trees and it would connect directly to SkyTrain.

- Rapid transit should be totally separated from street routes to avoid conflicts and congestion.

- I would never use the line. No big SkyTrain stations!

- Being able to connect with existing rapid transit without going downtown.

- Safety without juveniles and transients hanging around the line, waiting to mug you or panhandle.

- Underground or not on Cambie Blvd.

- Must permit bicycles aboard all 3 SkyTrain lines: Expo, Millennium, and the proposed RAV line.

- Distance apart of train: 3 minutes minimum, 5 minutes maximum.

- Keep it underground to make the impact minimal on our community.

- Maintenance of Heritage Boulevard/Queen Elizabeth park. *No elevated SkyTrain*

- Frequency of service; no crime/loitering in vicinity of terminals.

- No crime in vicinity of terminals.

- Bikes allowed on service, very important to integrate.

- Bicycle access.

- Bike access

- Bike friendly.

- Arbutus is shorter distance to the Airport and should be used in a cut under major intersections. Howmay employees at VGH, C&W Hospital, City Hall and Langara actually commute from Richmond.

- Frequency of service (intervals between trains).

- Keep capital costs down, supervise.

- Never would use.

7. The Richmond/Airport/Vancouver Rail Rapid Transit Line This line is expected to cost between $1.5and $1.7 billion, cost shared by the federal and provincial governments, TransLink, Vancouver InternationalAirport Authority and the private sector. Do you agree with the project proceeding?

- Arbutus.

- Get on it with ASAP.

- Strong disagree in its present form.

- Less than $1 billion.

- Fiscal responsibility and accountability is a must.

- Where do they get the money?

- AIFs? Fuel taxes? If the airport wants this so badly, they should foot the bill; they (airport) and Fedsshould share. Fares are already too high.

8. RAVP Neighborhood Consultation (future) How would you like to be consulted if this proposed railrapid transit project proceeds? Neighborhood group, community meetings, web surveys, open houses,information in the newspaper and other.

- With respect and action towards our needs as users.

- List (unable to decipher), town halls, all reports at library, referendum.

- Thanks, already arranged.

- You must do all these to reach everyone its too important not to! Direct mail or just drop a flyerthrough the mail slots for all homeowners directly affected by the project!

- Consulting with transit users on buses and at bus stops.

- Keep off Cambie Blvd.

- Open houses tonights was not long enough. (Vancouver Public Library).

- Vancouver Cycling Coalition.

- I would like to register as a delegation to present to Vancouver City Council.

- Panel discussions with different views.

- Respectfully and giving response to demands presented during consultation.

- Respectfully.

- If we proceed, why consult at all? The only ones to seemingly have impact are large business and government operated institutions i.e. City Hall, VGH, W & C Hospital and Langara!

- Public meeting with presentation and answering questions.



9. Additional Comments

- SkyTrain makes sense. Will be cheaper eventually. Already have the maintenance facility here.

- Above ground (faster, safer) more expensive but most cost efficient and higher capacity for the future.

- When will the Consultation Summary Report be completed and posted?

- Why are you only suggesting Cambie? There are already tracks on Arbutus. Bus to downtown once 10minutes to get there.

- Would prefer to see the Arbutus Corridor used.

- This project is so very important to our citys future . Please be wise in your decisions.

- I strongly support this proposal. I hope this project will go ahead as soon as possible.

- We need to service Granville to Broadway and across to City Hall and Hospitals. BICYCLE ACCESS ISESSENTIAL AND 24 hour service.

- The Cambie Heritage Boulevard issue is a NIMBY issue. Trees can be removed. This heritage tree busi-ness only came up years ago at the time that rapid transit to Richmond first under discussion.

- Too much public consultation does not prove anything. It only lends to confusion, mixed ideas and lackof proper decisions. It also costs a lot of time and is a waste of money.

- SkyTrain has low operating costs, high carrying capacity, and it is a safe and fast train that is very fre-quent - all things that make it attractive to users.

- SkyTrain is best. Forget buses and streetcars as rapid transit. Also consider possible later extensions toNorth Vancouver and Delta to help more people bypass bottlenecks.

- Bike friendly is important. This project is too expensive and will drain the rest of the busy system. If youhave to do it, put bridge tolls in to (1) fund it or (2) reduce smog, energy waste, C02 etc. Very importantbetter service to UBC.

- I am skeptical about private sector partnership in this large public project. It is essential to add morestations in Vancouver between Broadway and Marine Drive.

- I dont like the way Cambie Street line was presented to us without any information on the Arbutus line.It is obvious the speakers are from the west side of Cambie.

- Transportation in the main north/south corridor will be one of the largest issues facing the GVRD.Project is required to allow continued economic growth.

- (1) Would it be possible for a direction connection without traffic from GM Place/Stadium to RAV even ifonly for events? (2) In planning, is RAV considering an extension to White Rock and Tsawwassen in thefuture? 3)

- Retain Arbutus Corridor for 2nd line from UBC south and Millennium extension.

- No rapid transit on Cambie St.

- No RAV on Cambie Street.

- No rapid transit line on Cambie St.

- No RAV on Cambie Street.

- You have probably noticed that I favor a grade-separated line! Is there a cheaper option than SkyTrainto deliver grade-separated lines?

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- I have concern for private companies determining the rail technology (i.e. LRT or SkyTrain).

- How much of a role will demand-management play in getting drivers to use any new alternatives?There is a need to ensure bicycle facilities are included.

- Was staff at the hospital etc. along Cambie asked if the line went down Cambie that they would use it?Incentives, same as university students to use transit.

- We have considered the problem too long! Get going! Build!

- No trains on Cambie.

- This is an excellent project that needs to proceed to meet future demand and respond to developmentetc.

- Balance the load of passengers to the expense of the project. Take to give.

- A great loss in proposed rapid transit will be expected due to insufficient and less ridership in the line.

- I support both corridors because of cost savings on the Arbutus Corridors. While infrastructures are inplace already. So it is cheaper.

- Alternate routes, such as extending Millennium Line to route down Quebec, Ontario, Heather, Fraser, orthe lane next to them or Gondola System form Science World.

- Is a big waste of money remember the ferry fiasco.

- No train on Cambie Street period!

- Segregated line, not at grade, current and future congestion, unacceptable. Is golf course, Cambie side-walk, a consideration. Former Councilor Herbert left out resistance for bus only lanes for at-gradeGranville.

- Please consider the possibility of development more than just one north south transit corridor.

- Must be publicly run by BCRTC, not by a private operator as all other systems are run by government.

- Keep it public! No private corporations.

- Do not build on Cambie Street at all. Why we spend so much money on Cambie as well as trouble whenArbutus is a simple way to go.

- No train on Cambie, Please!

- I am against train on Cambie.

- Please consider the homeowners on Cambie and rail above ground will ruin the neighborhood, espe-cially between 6th and 25th.

- We need additional transit options, but PLEASE consider the homeowners who will have to see and hearan above ground line. No visible rail and please consider options other than SkyTrain. It is NOT the won-derful technology the politicians are trying to sell it as.

- (1) Richmond-Vancouver may be viable; however a rapid transit to the airport will never attract suffi-cient riders to come close to a break-even just look at the always empty Airporter Bus currently servic-ing YVR. (2) Next time you print a questionnaire, I suggest that you use both sides of the paper ThinkGreen!

- Should be underground along Cambie Street.

- Should be underground along Cambie.



- I do not trust GVRD data!

- Requested the vehicle cost figures underline for the Arbutus corridor.

- SkyTrain would be more effective than LRT or Rapid Bus.

- Just get on with this!

- (1) Please re-asses the Arbutus Corridor. (2) If using Cambie, all of it should be underground. (3)I dont trust the proposed budget. (4) I dont believe that using competition is the best way todetermine the type of rail used.

- This project has been studied for 25 years. Make a decision now so the project can proceed.

- Any surface transit will only increase traffic congestion. Only elevated and underground willwork.

- No trains on Cambie necessary.

- I believe that the Arbutus corridor should be further considered, given the existing right-of-way.The B-Line buses (and bus-only lanes) should be further considered for Cambie.

- We dont want a beautiful route into the City ruined by a rapid transit line. Use a route that isnot already a show piece for the city.

- Bite the bullet, increase the budget and put the whole thing underground.

- Pat Jacobsen (CEO TransLink) has suggested (to my great delight!) that street cars (like theinterurban Granville Island to Science World) would be used on Arbutus RAV line in the future.Great idea. March 15, 2003

Dear TransLink: Here is my suggestion for rapid transit, to Vancouver, Airport based on U shapedloop configuration, used in the Toronto Subway system.

*Note: it is only a 3 _ to 4 minute car ride currently from Airport Station (Bus Loop) to theVancouver Airport. Therefore a U-ShapedTransit will not add very much travel time Richmondcenter to Vancouver.

*Advantage of the U-Shaped loop is: Airline passengers will not have to transfer to anotherrapid transit line. This would be world-class transit solution for world-wide travelers. Air passen-gers do not want to worry about such things as transferring from one transit system to another!To get downtown from the airport. Other Suggestions: *Please keep the new rapid transit line(Richmond to Vancouver) completely separated! From automobile roads. (For safety and to savecommute times). E.g. last Saturday afternoon, it took the bus I was on a good 15 (FIFTEEN) min-utes to go (NORTHBOUND) from Richmond Center, on No. 3 Road to Cambie Ave. in Richmond! Iwas completely surprised! At how long it took us to go this very short distance. Our bus wascompletely caught in the TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK. This is why rapid transit needs a complete separa-tion from the road/street traffic! The LRT system in Calgary, Alberta (at street level) conflicts andcauses conflict and severe annoyance with street traffic/car drivers thus, a partly UNDERGROUNDand partly elevated transit is a much better solution. Here. Please keep the 98-B Line rapid buses(i.e. have many alternative ways to go!) on Granville Street. (Richmond Center to WaterfrontStation in Vancouver). This route is working quite well at present. Also, the more routes the bet-ter transit works. E.g. Ive heard, that big Cities, such as New York City and London, England haveabout 10 subway lines, going in all directions, all simultaneously. E.g. For Greater Vancouver I sug-gest transit lines (rapid)

North & West Vancouver

UBC Vancouver Coquitlam

Richmond Center Surrey

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Also, please re-instate the #151 and/or #152 bus route(s) from Lougheed Mall to down town Vancouver.This is better than the Millennium Sky Train for some passengers. Thanks.

- Heavy rail isnt necessary. Buses and light rail could do the job fine. Money needs to be spent improvingbus right-of-ways and minimizing wait times for the current bus systems.

- Travelers will not use the airport line due to location. Ridership figures are inflated.

- If we use existing SkyTrain technology we could use the existing subway from Main Street Station toWaterfront Station example is San Francisco BART system.

- The proposal will only force the communities impacted negatively to shoulder the burden, not share inany benefits whatsoever. (I take the bus until they piss me off enough to take my Mercedes.) (I shopthere all the time.you cant take groceries on the bus!).

- I strongly oppose private public partnerships in the transit system.

- Dont wreck the heritage boulevard with some eyesore transit nightmare.

- (1) I want immediately to see a decision on bikes allowed on SkyTrain and that this new rail mode willfrom the outset integrate with bike network. (2) Must include frequencies and same as Expo line orbetter wait time is a huge discouragement.

- In think in terms of mode-changes and seamless, I strongly support interlining with the existing SkyTrainsystem.

- If Vancouver really needs to build a new SkyTrain please build it underground because TransLink shouldthink about the residents who live on the Cambie Street. If you live on Cambie, what you think? Canyou sleep well at night.

- The RAV line is extremely important to the GVRD/BC economy. No further studies are required. Itshould be built as soon as possible.

- This was the 1993 Plan that was halted due to political interference. Get on with building the N-S route.

- TransLink Directors and RAV project managers need to seriously factor in an arterial bicycle route adja-cent to RAV line plus a safe and convenient bicycle feeder network to/from RAV line.

- Cycling and pedestrian feeder systems to rapid transit station built as part of RAV project.

- SkyTrain is not an eyesore, bridge congestion, a 10-lane bridge is. Congestion is normal south of 49thand north of Westminster Highway. Route slide shows Gilbert not No. 3 Road missing Marine Drivefuture developments. Would like to see workshops, not endless speakers.

- I strongly approve of the RAVP as shown. Vancouver does not have freeways and with implementationof this RAVP we will continue to keep Vancouver a FREEWAY FREE CITY.

- Building this will provide jobs for trades and professionals, maintain trade skill levels, and export poten-tial for the professionals.

- Im afraid to support the train only to find out later that the plans will change to become elevated orstreet level before Queen Elizabeth Park. Assure me that it will not change and I am okay with it.

- Proactive or crime prevention/policing of the new line.

- You should have an extra stop between King Edward and Broadway. Communities and neighborhoods,along the route will support the route, provided the neighborhoods are preserved. Controlling zoning iscritical. Sprawl and undue density are to be avoided.

- (1) My travel time by transit to Richmond will be lengthened by the additional time required to get fromGranville to Cambie. (2) As a cyclist; each time a rapid transit line goes in inter-modal bike/bus/transit isremoved. I can no longer get to North Surrey, New Westminster or Lougheed Mall already. This routewill eliminate Richmond, South Surrey and South Delta.



- It is really important to me to be able to take my bike on this service. Also, travel time and relia-bility are critical and should not be undervalued. Please complete prior to the Olympics!

- Should consider interlining at Waterfront to effectively remove one stop from each line andallow direct travel to Burrard Station.

- I suggest emphasizing that funding from government is only for this project and it has condi-tional requirements. This would alleviate concerns over route, cost and removing funding fromother regions.

- Performance standards should include visual and aesthetic considerations. Elevated SkyTrain(Millennium Line) track is ugly and not acceptable to me. I would sacrifice some speed for visualconsiderations. At grade or underground is best. Integrate planning of bike routes with transitplanning and allow bikes on SkyTrain.

- Does this route go ahead if Vancouver does not get the Olympics? This was a big PR exercise.

- Bicycles designed in from the beginning in every drawing, every plan: key priority. Also need abike highway for commuters.

- The last car should have no seats or pull down seats giving access to luggage and bicycles.

- Preserve the environment and natural beauty of the boulevard if you do proceed.

- Have bike access on trains/buses.

- It would be nice to actually allow Vancouverites the final say. You are contemplating destroyingCambie Boulevard for the Airport and Richmond commuters with only 5 City stops and a reduc-tion in bus service. When a viable transportation corridor sits unused and should be expropriat-ed!!! (at the $400,000 value they have been taxed on).

- Please hurry up!

- Please ignore the parochial residents living along Cambie and those who are pushing for anArbutus line. Just get going on it!

- Consultation time is not long enough. A more accurate cost break down (including land acqui-sition) would be nice. Think open tender and cost-effective technology.

-- Lets not have dozens of public forums for all the squeaky wheels to complain.

10. Travel in the Corridor

- My children take it daily.

- Daily bus rider.

2. RICHMOND

1. No. 3 Road, Grant McConachie Way, Cambie Street to Waterfront Station The proposed gen-eral alignment of the RAV line is No. 3 Road in Richmond, Grant McConachie Way on Sea Island,Cambie Street into Downtown Vancouver along Davie and Granville Street terminating at the exist-ing Waterfront Station.

- Wait time for feeder buses at Richmond Center must be less than 10 minutes or overall traveltime advantage is lost.

- As a resident of the Cambie Street area I support the route as long there is NO elevated sec-tions. At grade can be done very nicely, go see Brussels with their grass between the tracks,quite nicely done.

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- Cook and No. 3 should be a station on the line NOT the south terminus.

- But use Arbutus Route.

- Question-Why dont you use 3-D virtual reality computer technology to show us the virtual dynamics ofArbutus Line versus Cambie Line? (Distance and time required). I have not heard any mention of theroutes along Grant McConachie Way (on Sea Island) or along Davie Street in Vancouver. Also why notput rapid transit underground under Granville Street - Richmond to Vancouver Center? (I.e. 98 B-LineRoute).

- Should eventually extend south of Richmond Center.

- Even though the bulk of commercial area is located on No. 3 Road it is too narrow for the proposed RAVline; Garden City Road might be a better idea.

- Definitely elevated.

- The rapid line is long over due for there is too much congestion on No. 3 Road in Richmond andGranville in Vancouver.

- Please plan for long term No. 3 Road surface system, reliability suffers from cross traffic conflict bus,car, pedestrian, bikes, etc. Note existing No. 3 Road structure and lost access to business increasedpollution from inefficient traffic flow. Park and Ride is very important feature.

- One cost above the wrong route close. The Arbutus corridor is already graded.

- The Arbutus line should be utilized. The land is plentiful so there would be little disturbance. The line is(almost indirect line with the airport) and _ of route in place saving costs that are significant. UBCwould be better served also Kerrisdale, Arbutus, and downtown density living as opposed to Cambie.

- What ever happened to the Arbutus option? New bridge at the end of Cambie going south?

- This is important for the airport and Richmond.

- Its about time. Too bad its for the Olympics.

- Richmond has needed rapid transit for a long time.

- Richmond line should be made as to have little visual impact or not made at all.

- Long time overdue! Good plan!

- What is the cost differential between Arbutus route and Cambie? Plus, which line will take a shortertime to complete.

2. Direct Travel Do you agree with the following statement: (a) It is important to provide direct travel,meaning passengers will not have to transfer, between Richmond City Center and downtown Vancouver. (b)It is important to provide direct travel, meaning passengers will not have to transfer, between the Airportand Downtown Vancouver.

- Is now less than 45 minutes already.

3. Travel Time By bus or car, the current travel time from Richmond Center to downtown Vancouver isabout 45 to 50 minutes, depending on the time of day and amount of traffic. Do you agree with the follow-ing statement: (a) With a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from Richmond Center to WaterfrontStation should be no more than 30 minutes. (b) With a new rail rapid transit line, the travel time from theAirport to Waterfront Station should be no more than 25 minutes.

- Depends on site.

- Poor question design.



4. Underground, At Street level, Above Street Level (Elevated) Rail rapid transit systems can operateunderground, at street level or above street level (elevated). The underground and above street leveloptions are more expensive to build, and where elevated, have greater visual impacts. However, under-ground and elevated systems are cheaper to operate, faster, safer and more reliable than at street level sys-tems because they dont cross road intersections. If approved, the Richmond/Airport/Vancouver Line willprobably have some underground segments, some street-level segments and some elevated segmentsdepending on whether they are technically and financially feasible. 4.1 on those segments where operatingunderground is not possible, which alternatives would you prefer (a) at street level (b) elevated; 4.2 on thosesegments where operating at street level is not possible, which alternative would you prefer (a) elevated (b)underground; 4.3 on those segments where operating above street level (elevated) is not possible whichwould prefer (a) underground (b) at street level.

- Should have asked how frequently. Im retired and might go into Vancouver twice/month.

- Only.

- I no longer work downtown.

5. Transit Use If this Richmond/Airport/Vancouver rapid transit service is completed how likely do youthink you would be to use it?

- East west bus connections important in Richmond and to UBC; still need Richmond-UBC direct buses.

- Cost of engineering of

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