private investigators licensing board,...

SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

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TRANSCRIPT OF A MEETING

OF THE

STATE OF NEVADA

PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD

Wednesday, September 11, 2019

9:00 a.m.

and

Thursday, September 12, 2019

9:00 a.m.

Northern Nevada Location:

Legislative Counsel Bureau

401 South Carson Street, Suite 3138

Carson City, Nevada 89701

Southern Nevada Location (Videoconferenced):

Legislative Counsel Bureau

555 East Washington Avenue, Room 4401

Las Vegas, Nevada 89101

REPORTED BY: SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

Certified Court, Shorthand and Registered Merit Reporter

Nevada CCR #322, California CSR #8753, Idaho CSR #485

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PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD, 09-11&12-2019


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A P P E A R A N C E S

Board Members Present:

Raymond Flynn, Acting Board Chairman

(Las Vegas)

Tammy Nixon (Las Vegas)

Robert Gronauer (Las Vegas)

Also: Kevin Ingram (Las Vegas)

Executive Director

Michael Detmer (Las Vegas)

Deputy Attorney General

Board Counsel

Rosalie Bordelove (Las Vegas)

Deputy Attorney General

Prosecuting Counsel

Lori Irizarry (Las Vegas)

Chief of Operations

Vincent Saladino (Las Vegas)

Supervisor Investigator

Shelly Donald (Las Vegas)

Investigator and Licensing Specialist

Paul Maxwell (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Zachary Swarthout (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Jordan Jones (Carson City)

Investigator

Mary Klemme (Carson City)

Office Manager



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Other Participants:

Dan E. Taylor (Las Vegas)

Anthony J. Brown (Las Vegas)

Wendy Thomas (Las Vegas)

Carl Thomas (Las Vegas)

Charles Kenerson (Las Vegas)

Rex M. Verley (Las Vegas)

David A. Dionisi (Las Vegas)

Richard Shields (Las Vegas)

Adam Wertsbaugh (Las Vegas)

Nicholas Sacco (Las Vegas)

Barak Kessler (Las Vegas)

Dexter Jasper (Las Vegas)

Michael Carlson (Las Vegas)

Arne Ogaard (Las Vegas)

Jaike Miller (Las Vegas)

Vincent Minecci (Las Vegas)

George S. Webb (Las Vegas)

James D. McCarthy (Las Vegas)

Chad A. Mitchell (Las Vegas)

Timothy R. Coleman (Las Vegas)

James F. Labriola (Las Vegas)

Sharon Oren (Carson City)

Abel B. Peralez (Las Vegas)

Cody K. Golant (Las Vegas)

Cory L. Rivero (Carson City)

Jorge B. Blanco Wilson (Las Vegas)

Linda C. Morrison (Las Vegas)

Taylor S. Kruse (Las Vegas)

Nancy J. Taylor (Las Vegas)

Lawrence E. Sanchez (Las Vegas)

Devin C. Ballard (Las Vegas)

James N. McCollum Jr. (Las Vegas)

Etienne Dupre (Las Vegas)

Elise Dupre (Las Vegas)

Marcus Hinton (Las Vegas)

Davin Kelley (Las Vegas)

Scott Macrina (Las Vegas)

Brett Smith (Las Vegas)

Joseph Verde (Las Vegas)

Rick Brown (Carson City, observing)

Jerry Stovall (Las Vegas)

Larry Verumen-Salcido (Las Vegas)

Keoudon Dunlap (Las Vegas)

Kamran Estifaee (Las Vegas)

(continued...)



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Other Participants (continued):

Marcus Ettress (Las Vegas)

Damian Gatlin (Las Vegas)

Malik Hardy (Las Vegas)

Larry Phillips (Las Vegas)

Richard Thomas (Las Vegas)

Tyree Jackson (Las Vegas)

Michael S. Spriggs (Las Vegas)

Debra Turman (Las Vegas)

Daniel Hoban (Las Vegas)



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I N D E X

Wednesday, September 11, 2019 (page 18)

Thursday, September 12, 2019 (page 250)

ITEM PAGE

1. Roll Call of Board Members 19

250

2. Public Comment 19

3. Board/Executive Director Announcements,

Reports and Updates 20

4. Review and approve transcripts from

June 20, Board meetings "for possible action" 27

5. All applicants and witnesses to be sworn in 27

140

REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION

6. Dan E. Taylor, Jr. of DTA Security Services,

LLC, license number 1067 is asking the Board to

grant an exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338.

Mr. Taylor is requesting that the Board allow

them to hire 6 "active" out of state Peace

Officers to work in elevated security positions

in Nevada during the 2020 CES event. This is

subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements. "for possible action" 28

7. Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security, Inc.,

license number 2635 is asking the Board to

grant an exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338.

Mr. Schrenzel is requesting that the Board

allow them to hire John Craig an "active out of

state Peace Officer for the annual Burning Man

event in Northern Nevada and at no other time

throughout the year. 35



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CORPORATE OFFICER

8. American Protection Group, Inc. (APG), license

number 2075 is seeking Corporate Officer status

approval for Anthony J. Brown. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

"for possible action" 38

9. Griffin Investigations Inc., license number 74

is seeking Corporate Officer approval for

Paula K. Ludwig. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements.


10. Thomas Protective Service, Inc., license number

1309 is seeking Corporate Officer approval for

Susan H. Thomas and Wendy S. Thomas. This is



11. ProVest Litigation Services, LLC, license

number 2394 is seeking Member status approval

for William J. Monaghan. This is subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements.


12. National Cinema Security, Inc., license number

2088 is seeking Corporate Officer status

approval for Kerry E. Deluca. This is subject



13. Frasco, Inc., license number 1026 is seeking

Corporate Officer status approval for

Christina D. Schumacher. This is subject to



CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS-CORPORATE NAME CHANGE

QUALIFYING AGENT TRANSFER

14. A Closer Look, Inc., license number 1569 is

requesting a Corporate Name Change to A Closer

Look, LLC. Charles Kenerson will remain the

qualifying agent. This is subject to all





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15. LP Innovations, Inc., license number 1523 is

requesting a Corporate Name Change to DTiQ

Services, Inc. John Rice will remain the




16. Veracity Research Company, license number 1292

is requesting a Corporate Name Change to

Veracity Research Co., L.L.C. James O. Stokes

will remain the qualifying agent. Member to

be approved is Peter J. Stein. This is subject



CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS-QUALIFYING AGENT, NEW CORP

17. NextGen Watchmen L.L.C. is applying for a new

Private Patrolman license. If approved,

Steve J. Ketter, license number 2382 is

requesting that his individual license is kept

in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Members to be approved are

Joseph A. Murphy and Rex M. Verley. This is



18. Envista Forensics, LLC is applying for a new

Private Investigator license. If approved,

David A. Dionisi is requesting to transfer his

qualifying agent status from PT&C Forensic

Consulting Services PA, dba, Envista Forensics,

license number 1375. Member to be approved is

Michael J. Driscoll. This is subject to all



19. Silver Shields Protection & Investigations, LLC

is applying for a new Private Investigator and

Private Patrolman license. If approved,

Richard Shields, license number 1804 is

requesting that his individual licenses be

placed into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Member to be approved is

Roxanna L. Shields. This is subject to all





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20. Metro One Loss Prevention Services Group (West

Coast), Inc. is applying for a new Private

Patrolman license. If approved, Adam

Wertsbaugh, license number 2600 is requesting

that his individual license is kept in abeyance

so that he may become the qualifying agent.

Corporate Officers to be approved are Brandon

Carrabba and Vincent A. Carrabba. This is



21. Tiberias Security Solutions, LLC is applying

for a new Private Patrolman license. If

approved, Barak Kessler, license number 2041

is requesting that his individual license be



Larry E. Kessler. This is subject to all



22. Watermark Enterprises, Inc., dba, Watermark

Investigations & Protection Group is applying

for a new Private Patrolman license. If

approved, John A. Avila, license number 2001 is

requesting that his individual license be





23. Serve Vegas, LLC is applying for a new Process

Server license. If approved, Nicholas Ohlson,

license number 1914 is requesting that his

individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the qualifying agent. This

is subject to all statutory and regulatory


24. D Executive Protection, Inc. is applying for

a new Private Patrolman license. If approved,

Dexter Jasper, license number 1844 is








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CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS-QUALIFYING AGENT-EXISTING

CORP, CORP NAME CHANGE

25. Brad M. Murray is requesting a change in

licensing status. Mr. Murray is requesting

that his individual license, license number

1726 is kept in abeyance so that he may become

the qualifying agent for Beach City

Investigations & Protection Services Beach

Cities Protective Services, Inc., license

number 2122. He is also requesting a corporate

name change from Beach City Investigations &

Protection Services Beach Cities Protective

Services, Inc. to Beach City Investigation and

Protective Services, Inc. Corporate Officer

to be approved is Ronald J. Blackstone. This



PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

26. Five Diamond Screening, LLC is applying for a

new corporate Private Investigator license.

Arne Ogaard is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. If approved, he




Arne Ogaard, Catherine J. Aldrich and

Jordan A.G. Robusto. This is subject to all



27. Jaike Miller is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. If approved, she

is requesting that her individual license be

placed into abeyance so that she may become the

qualifying agent for Digistream Nevada, Inc.,

license number 1320. Corporate Officers to be

approved are William Aaronson and Casey W.

Gibson. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements. "for possible

action" 85



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28. Vincent Minecci is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Stroz Friedberg, LLC,

license number 1784. This is subject to all



29. George S. Webb is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Claims Verification, Inc.,




30. James D. McCarthy is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Donan Engineering Co.,

Inc., license number 2421. This is subject to



31. Chad A. Mitchell is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. This is subject



PRIVATE PATROLMAN

32. Premier Protective Security, Inc. is applying

for a new corporate Private Patrolman license.

Timothy R. Coleman is applying for an individual

Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is

requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate Officers to be

approved are Timothy R. Coleman, James F.

Labriola and Chaz B. Vetter. This is subject





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33. Maccabee Arms, Ltd. is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license. Sharon

Oren is applying for an individual Private

Patrolman license. If approved, he is




Sharon Oren and Yelena K. Oren. This is



34. Abel B. Peralez is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Aarrowhead Security,

Inc., dba, Vet-Sec Protection Agency, license

number 1271. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements. "for possible

action" 103

35. Cody K. Golant is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for G4S Secure Solutions

(USA), Inc., license number 1563. This is



36. Cory L. Rivero is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for SOC Hawthorne, LLC,




37. Jorge B. Blanco Wilson is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent for Picore Beristan

Initiative, Inc., dba, Picore International,






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38. Linda C. Morrison is applying for an individual

Private Patrolman license. If approved, she is

requesting that her individual license be

placed into abeyance so that she may become the

qualifying agent for Rancho Security Services,

LLC, license number 875. This is subject to



39. Alfredo Rivera Hernandez is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent for American Guard

Services, Inc., license number 1364. This is



PROCESS SERVER

40. Taylor Squared Incorporated, dba, NMI is

applying for a new Process Server license.

Taylor S. Kruse is applying for an individual

Process Server license. If approved, he is




approved are Taylor S. Kruse and Nancy J.

Taylor. This is subject to all statutory and


action" 116

CANINE HANDLER

41. T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license number

2704 is applying for a new Canine Handler

license. Michon Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for

an individual Canine Handler license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual

license be placed into abeyance so that she may

become the qualifying agent. This is subject





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PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND PROCESS SERVER

42. Lawrence E. Sanchez is applying for an

individual Private Investigator and Process

Server license. This is subject to all



PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND PRIVATE PATROLMAN

43. Armor Network, LLC is applying for a new

Private Investigator and Private Patrolman

license. Devin C. Ballard is applying for an

individual Private Investigator and Private

Patrolman license. If approved, he is




Devin C. Ballard. This is subject to all



PRIVATE PATROLMAN AND CANINE HANDLER

44. Action K-9 Security, Inc. is applying for a

new Private Patrolman and Canine Handler

license. Timothy J. Clancy is applying for

an individual Private Patrolman and Canine

Handler license. If approved, he is




approved are Timothy J. Clancy and Danuta J.

Clancy. This is subject to all statutory and


action" 26

45. James N. McCollum Jr. is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman and Canine Handler

license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual license be placed into abeyance

so that he may become the qualifying agent for

K2 Solutions, Inc., license number 2631. This





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REGISTRATION APPEALS

46. Wayne Byrd applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Byrd is appealing the decision to 141

the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 242


47. Etienne Dupre applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Dupre is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


48. Marcus Hinton applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Hinton is appealing the decision



49. Davin Kelley applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Kelley is appealing the decision



50. Scott Macrina applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Macrina is appealing the decision



51. Brett Smith applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Smith is appealing the decision



52. Joseph Verde applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Verde is appealing the decision



53. Willie Edwards applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Edwards is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 184


54. Trenses Love applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Love is appealing the decision to

the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 185




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55. Jerry Stovall applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Stovall is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


56. Larry Verumen-Salcido applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Verumen-Salcido is

appealing the decision to the Board pursuant

to NRS 648. "for possible action" 190

57. Hephzibah Dollar applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Dollar is appealing the



58. Keoudon Dunlap applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Dunlap is appealing the



59. Kamran Estifaee applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Estifaee is appealing the



60. Marcus Ettress applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Ettress is appealing the



61. Damion Gatlin applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Gatlin is appealing the



62. Kristina Gomez applied for registration and

was denied. Ms. Gomez is appealing the



63. Malik Hardy applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Hardy is appealing the decision



64. Jason Hayes applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Hayes is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 225




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65. Gene Hobdy applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Hobdy is appealing the decision



66. Larry Phillips applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Phillips is appealing the



67. Richard Thomas applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Thomas is appealing the



68. Timothy Toy applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Toy is appealing the decision



69. Tyree Jackson applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Jackson is appealing the



70. Vincent Eta applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Eta is appealing the decision



DISCIPLINARY HEARING

71. Continuation of disciplinary hearing for Adam

Plant, R-085960, pursuant to NRS 648.156. 244


CITATION APPEALS

72. Torrey Mitchell is appealing the issuance of

Citation I-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to 244

NRS 648.165. "for possible action" 255

73. Dominique Fuiava is appealing the issuance of

Citation I-0020-19 to the Board pursuant to 244

NRS 648.165. "for possible action" 257



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OTHER BUSINESS

74. Board Comment and future agenda items


75. Public Comment 246

282

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76. Adjournment 286



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CARSON CITY, NEVADA, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2019,

9:02 A.M.

-oOo-

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good

morning. This is Ray Flynn, the Acting Chair today.

And we'll get started with the September 11th meeting of

the Nevada Private Investigators Licensing Board.

We are in a new room for us. And the video

people in the back have asked me to read the mic

etiquette script for all of us here today, so.

In order for the meeting to be broadcast with

the best possible quality, please silence all cell

phones and devices. To speak, press your mic button at

your seat. The button will light up. Once speaking,

adjust the mic so it's pointing directly at your mouth.

Position yourself about six inches from the mic. If you

have a soft voice, stay closer. If you have a loud --

if your voice is loud, Bobby, get further away. Press

the mic button again to mute the mic when you're done

speaking. And please use only once mic at a time.

And we don't have anybody, we don't have the

ability to teleconference, do we?

MR. INGRAM: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So

you got to be in person. You got to come on in.



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I'll ask for the roll call of the Board

members.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Board Member Flynn?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nixon?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Gronauer?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.

MR. INGRAM: We do have a quorum.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Members of

the general public may comment on matters appearing on

the agenda and may bring matters not appearing on the

agenda to the attention of the Board. The Board may

discuss the matters not appearing on the agenda but may

not act on matters at this meeting. If the Board

desires, the matters may be placed on a future agenda

for action. Public comments may be limited to five

minutes per person at the discretion of the Chairman but

will not be restricted according to the viewpoint.

In addition to public comment being taken at

the beginning and end of the meeting, public comment may

be accepted after each agenda item prior to the Board

taking action. However, prior to the commencement and

conclusion of a contested case or a quasi-judicial



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proceeding that may affect the due process rights of an

individual, the Board will not consider public comment,

pursuant to NRS 233B.126.

So before we get started, is there any public

comment this morning down south, anybody that would like

to address the Board on any matter they may have?

All right. Is there any -- I don't even know

if we've got an audience up north.

MS. KLEMME: Yes, we do. We have three

individuals, no comment.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Item number three, the Executive

Director announcement and updates.


I'll start with the introductions of staff. In

our northern office we have Mary Klemme, who is our

Office Manager. And we have our newest investigator,

Jordan Jones. He's been with us for a few weeks now,

and he's doing a great job. And then we have our

stenographer, as always, Ms. Shannon. Hi, Shannon.

MS. TAYLOR: Hello.

MR. INGRAM: In the south here, directly to my

left is Board Counsel, Mike Detmer. Directly to his

left is our Chief of Operations, Lori Irizarry. At the

far end to the right, we have Zachary Swarthout. He's



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an investigator. We have Paul Maxwell, who is an

investigator. We have Shelly Donald, who's an

investigator and has taken over the role of Licensing

Specialist with the exit of Ms. Gisela Corral. Directly

to her left is our Supervisor Investigator, Vincent

Saladino. And then Board members Robert Gronauer, Tammy

Nixon, and Acting Board Chair Ray Flynn.

With that said, I have provided the Board with

the financials. Does the Board have any questions on

the financials?

At this time, I'd like to ask Chief Irizarry to

give an overview of the last quarter's statistics.

MS. IRIZARRY: Good morning. I'm going to go

over the handout that's over on the table, the

statistics. We, every quarter, have been now presenting

our statistics. So I'm going to compare it to last

quarter's as well.

So starting on page one at the top, there were

35 applications that were presented to us to come before

the Board today. All 35 will be heard at the Board

hearing. None of them were denied. There were 14

corporate officers, 10 private patrolmen, eight private

investigators, two process services, one canine, no

repossessors or polygraph examiners.

For work cards processed that last quarter,



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compared to last quarter, we saw a decrease of 1,365

work card applications. That's usually due to the large

events that we host during the second quarter, the

Electric Daisy Carnival, JCK show. The Ballpark opened

up here in southern Nevada. So there was a decrease.

But this last quarter, we processed 2,089 work

cards. From that, 1,280 then have been made active,

which means they were given their five-year permanent

card. 52 of those have been denied. 587 are still

pending, I'm sorry, have been made provisional. So they

were given a 90-day provisional work card. 123 of them

are still pending, pending either because we're still

missing information from them to make a determination if

we can give them a card, or if they were still being

processed at the time that I ran this report. And 47

have been withdrawn. Withdrawn applications are usually

they have something open or active on their background,

or they decided to withdraw on their own.

On page two, this past quarter, we received 12

complaints. The complaints ranged anywhere from work

cards to licensee unlicensed activity. There were three

unlicensed activity complaints that we received. Two

have been issued. One was for a private patrolman

company, and one was for a repossessor. And one was for

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still pending. We have not issued a citation for that

as of yet.

There were four citations, I'm sorry, four

complaints issued, I'm sorry, received to us regarding

licensees. Two of them were for repossessors. They

were civil disputes. We closed the cases. They're not

in our jurisdiction. One of them was for a private

patrolman company. It was a contract matter. We closed

that case as well. And one was for a private patrolman

company. The complaint that came in we found to be

unfounded.

Two complaints were referred to other agencies.

Both are for private patrolman companies. One was

referred to OSHA. It was more OSHA's jurisdiction. And

one was referred to the county and Department of

Industrial Relations.

We received three complaints this past quarter

for work card holders. Two of them, their cards have

been suspended, and their situations regarding those

work cards have been -- are currently pending. There's

no final outcome for those two. The one has been

referred to Las Vegas Metro. It was regarding the

mental fitness of that person.

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comparison to last quarter. But these are the

violations that were issued to licensee holders. So a

total of 17 licensees received violations from us this

past quarter.

The first one there is for anyone not properly

listed on a roster. So if they did not let us know that

they were hired or terminated with the company, we

issued $4,025 of citations for that violation.

Anyone that we found to be working without a

work card on their person, or at all, received $2,175 in

citations. There's over $1,600 that has already been

paid. About $500 is still pending.

We issued four citations for individuals not

properly displaying their license number. You need to

do it on any, in an advertisement on your car or

advertisements, business cards, email addresses.

And we issued $1,000 for people working out of

firearms requalifications. This number is a little,

slightly elevated, mainly because this past quarter we

did quite a few audits. We had the on-site checks for

the big events. And, of course, included in this is our

ordinary course of business when we do our compliance

checks.

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the individuals who are conducting business but do not

have a license with us. The way it breaks down is we've

issued two citations, that they have been paid. They

were both for private patrolman companies. Both of them

are going through the licensing process. So we may see

them at a future Board meeting.

Four of them are currently pending. Two were

for bodyguards or executive protection individuals. We

got that information from our nightclub relationships we

have going here in the south. One is for a repossessor

reported by a complainant. We issued a citation. It's

still pending. And one is for a private patrolman

company. They were licensed with our agency. Their

license has expired, and they're still conducting

business. And that is still pending as well.

Then, we issued three cease and desists for

private patrolman companies. Those individuals, had we

had issued a monetary amount, would have equaled about

$7,500. We don't issue a monetary amount. They're more

cease and desist at this moment, letting them know that

they are not able to continue working here in the state.

One of those was reported to us by Nevada Transit

Authority. One of them located through our normal

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licensing process that we go through with our licensees.

Thank you.

MR. INGRAM: Does the Board have any questions

for Ms. Irizarry?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, we don't see

any. But thank you for the report. We do appreciate

it. It gives us a good feel what's going on each

quarter.

MS. IRIZARRY: You're welcome.

MR. INGRAM: This will take us into the

overview of the roster. I have made some notes on Board

members' agendas as well.

Item number 39 on the agenda, Alfredo Rivera

Hernandez pulled out of his contract with American Guard

Services yesterday. So we will not be hearing that

today.

Item number 41, T.A.C. Protective Service,

Ms. Hurd-Korkmaz did not pass the canine exam. So that

will be postponed to a future date. She'll be able to

retake the exam next quarter.

Item number 44, Action K-9 Security, Inc. had a

family emergency and requested it be postponed until the

December Board meeting.

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The item number four on the agenda, transcripts

have been provided to each of the Board members from the

June 20th, 2019 Board meeting. Do you have any

questions on those transcripts?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'll ask

for a motion on the transcripts from June 20th.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Motion to accept.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. There's a

motion to accept the transcripts.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we have a

second. Any discussion?

Any public comment? Okay. Commissioner

Gronauer made the motion. Commissioner Nixon seconded.

I'm asking for any public comment at this time.

Okay. With no public comment, all in favor?

(Board members said "aye.")

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?

The motion carries.

Okay. At this time, we'll ask that any

witnesses and applicants that will be coming before us

today, you need to be sworn in for your testimony. And

it's the same with the people up north. So I'll turn it

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MR. DETMER: Is that everybody? All right.

For those who are going to testify, do you hereby swear

and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

nothing but the truth?

(All applicants and witnesses present in

Las Vegas and Carson City were sworn/affirmed.)

MR. DETMER: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Before we

get started with the main meeting, I mean, I think, it's

important to acknowledge that today is September 11th.

It's the 18th anniversary of those terrorist attacks.

And I ask that we all have a moment of silence not only

for the victims of that day, but our American military

who have fought and died on the war on terror since

then.

(There was a moment of silence.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you

for joining me in that.

All right. The first item is request for

exemption, number six, Dan E. Taylor, DTA Security

Services, asking the Board to grant an exemption as

outlined under the NAC. Mr. Taylor is requesting that

the Board allow them to hire six active out-of-state

peace officers to work in elevated security positions in

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Mr. Taylor.

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir. Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good morning.

And, Mr. Taylor, you understand you're under oath right

now, right?

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us in

your words what you want us to do, and why.

MR. TAYLOR: Well, we're requesting an

exemption for six out-of-state active-duty police

officers. This is a group of active-duty police

officers that have come to CES.

A little bit of background on CES, this is the

largest annual trade show, bringing in over 180,000

participants to the event. They, the police officers

have come out here through the years. They have history

with the event. They bring experience and the resources

that we don't find or are not able to contract here

locally. And it's just part of the overall plan to keep

everybody safe and secure during that event.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any

questions by the Board?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: What would their duties be

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MR. TAYLOR: Their duties are, in essence,

they're an extra set of eyes and ears in the larger

public areas. And they do work with the overall

security team and with the local police department here,

with Metro, also with the federal resources that are

allocated by the federal government. CES is afforded

some additional resources because of the size and the

number of people that come out to that event, that other

events don't see. So they're all tied, they're tied

into that overall plan.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Will they be armed?

MR. TAYLOR: They are not armed.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a question also.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. You said they

have the KSAs, knowledge, skills and abilities, and also

resources to do the job. I don't understand that. What

resources would they have that we don't have locally?

MR. TAYLOR: Their experience with the event,

their training with their departments, that we don't --

their experience and backgrounds with their departments

are in terrorism and counterterrorism on the event side.

And so they have the history with the event, and they

also have that training within their department. So

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because they've been with that event for, in some cases

for over 10 years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are they right now

employed by their regular departments?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do we have any letters

from their departments saying they could do this job?

Because there's workman's comp type of things that are

involved. I know you have insurance, but I'm trying to

figure out how that works for another police department.

MR. TAYLOR: Correct. Their departments are

aware. We can certainly get those letters.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. We're in

Las Vegas. And I just believe that we have one of the

best security units around as far as security,

professional security companies and people all around

the Strip and for these special conventions. We also

have the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, who

have definitely the resources, the knowledge, skills and

abilities. And I just don't understand why we have to

use out-of-state people.

I just don't get it. That's why I just need

some better explanation for the six people. You're not

bringing anything but some type of experience, that you

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MR. TAYLOR: Right. And that would be the --

the biggest difference would just be the experience that

they have with the event and also with the local

resources. But their experience over the years, that

just they have been a part of the CES security plan and

elevated measures.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All six have been part

of the security plan?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: For how many years now?

MR. TAYLOR: It does vary. But some of them go

back over 10 years. DTA Security Services, which is the

company that I represent, has been contracted by CES for

four years now. And those, those officers, some of

them, or actually most have been a part of that program

from, you know, prior to our coming on board with CES.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So CES contracts

you, and then you contract or subcontract these other

people?

MR. TAYLOR: Yes. Well, they do come in as

direct employees of DTA. But they were part of that

program prior to DTA coming in with being contracted by

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MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chair, Kevin Ingram.

Mr. Taylor, do all six of these individuals

currently hold a PILB work card with our agency, and are

they the ones that we turn on for the event and we

immediately suspend them until the following year?

MR. TAYLOR: Correct. Right. So they have had

cards. And then, from my understanding, they are

inactivated immediately after the event, and then they

are activated and are active during the event.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I understood that

process, but I didn't see any list of anybody's names or

their work card numbers. So that was a concern to me.

And I didn't see it the backup or the background.

So that's it. Thank you.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's Ray Flynn.

Mr. Taylor, as we've done every other year that

any company asked for this type of exemption with

out-of-state law enforcement, you'll need to have them

supply letters from their employers that they are --

it's okay with their agency for them to engage in

off-duty employment during that event.

MR. TAYLOR: Absolutely.

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If there's no other questions, I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Commissioner Gronauer.

I make a motion to approve. Dan E. Taylor, Jr. of DTA

Security Services, LLC, license number 1067 is asking

the Board to grant an exemption as outlined in NAC

648.338. Mr. Taylor is requesting that the Board allow

them to hire six active out-of-state peace officers to

work in elevated security positions. And this is

subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

Also, I'd like to put a little addendum on it,

if I may. That would be that these letters from their

police departments and their cards are shown that they

are active now, that they even have cards, and their

police departments saying they're okay with them working

here.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If you get that done,

I'm good.

That's my motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We

have a motion and a second. Any public comment?

Any further discussion?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All in

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Okay. The motion carried.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank

you, sir.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Taylor, you can just provide

that information directly to me.

MR. TAYLOR: Okay.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Item

number 7, Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security, license

number 2635, asking the Board to grant an exemption as

outlined in the NACs. Mr. Schrenzel is requesting that

the Board allow them to hire John Craig, an active

out-of-state peace officer, for the annual Burning Man

event in northern Nevada and no other time throughout

the year.

Is Mr. Schrenzel here or up north?

All right. I don't see Mr. Schrenzel. Do we

know if he's done this before, Kevin?

MR. INGRAM: No, this would be the first time.

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Man. It's already happened, just recently. He's

requesting it for next year. So I'll go ahead and

correspond with him and see if he wants to come back

before the Board between now and next year.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I don't

know about the other members. I'm uncomfortable making

a vote without him being here. That's a high-profile

event, and I'd like to know. Hopefully, you're in

agreement with me. And I'll ask that we just postpone

this. I don't think we need a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I'm in

agreement.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.

Postponed.

All right. Next, I'd like to call a block

vote, because, for the most part, these are just name

changes or paperwork changes. And I understand there's

one that we may want to pull from the block vote. So

I'll just throw this out as is. I ask for a block vote

of items 8 through 16. And I understand there may be

one to pull on that.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I would like to pull

number 10. I have some further questions.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So then a

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motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'd like to pull --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Woops.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'd like to pull 8 and

14 and 15; 14 and 15 will be very simple, but 8 is

something I have some concerns about.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We'll try

this one more time. Block vote, items 9, 11, 12, 13 and

16.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a

motion. I have a second. Any discussion?

Any public comment?

All right. All in favor, say "aye."



Okay. The motion carries. That is, just so we

got it all, that is to, that block vote was for items 9,

11, 12, 13 and 16.

Are we okay up north?

MS. KLEMME: Yes, we are.


with that said, let's do item number 8, American

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under the block vote, you don't need to hang out unless

you want to see me make a whole bunch of mistakes today.

But you're more than welcome to. Okay.

All right. Number 8, American Protection Group

APG, license number 2075 is seeking corporate officer

status approval for Anthony J. Brown. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements. For

possible action.

And, Mr. Brown, good morning to you. And you

understand you're under oath?

All right. Why are you here, and why are we

bringing you back? I forgot.

MR. BROWN: My apologies (mic). Oh. Two

apologies. All right. So the last time I was here was

in regards to some additional requests for evidence of

previous taxes that were not really solidly brought to

the attention to the Board as far as being paid up.

I've provided additional evidence that this matter has

been resolved. And as far as the California FTB is

concerned, they have provided me a letter of release of

liens. And in addition to that, the IRS also has a

payment scheduled, and a plan has already been

implemented.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who's

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MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. I've been in

contact with Anthony for the last few months. He's

provided me paperwork on everything. He has taken care

of all the items requested. I have the paperwork here

if you want to look at it. But he does have the lien

release, notices of release. He's set up on a payment

plan. He's made payments on a couple of them and have

paid them off. So he's done everything the Board asked

and has resolved the issue.


Any questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I had some questions

here. And you answered that last one. The investigator

answered it, too. Because on our backup, it just says

you gave you the compliance and payment agreement, but

it didn't show anything that said anything else about

it. So I didn't understand that part. And that was my

question there.

But I also have a question on page four, I

believe, of the application, under the criminal history,

criminal record. Make sure on which way to go.

The criminal history, I believe, it said --

I'll be there in a second. Or two seconds or three

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then, right here, see attached files for your review,

see attached certified copies. That was on criminal

history. And, again, we don't see the certified copies.

I don't know what we have.

MS. DONALD: For criminal history, is that what

you're referring to?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. On criminal

history.

MS. DONALD: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have any

criminal offenses, including DUIs, but excluding other

traffic violations? It's marked, yes, see attached

certified copies.

MS. DONALD: Yeah, I have all the fingerprint

results. We didn't attach it to the application. But

everything was cleared and taken care of. It was

several years ago, like 20 years ago, and nothing was a

felony.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Again, I just

had a question.

MS. DONALD: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because of what it said

on the application.

MS. DONALD: Right.

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people in the future, I'm a stickler for filling in all

blanks and seeing, you know, paying attention. So.

Okay. I'm good. Thank you.

MR. BROWN: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other

questions?

Any comment from the public?

All right. Seeing none, call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we approve

American Protection Group, Inc. (APG), license number

2075. He is seeking corporate office, corporate officer

status for Anthony J. Brown. This is subject to all


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I

have a motion. Do I have a second?


I second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any

further discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor, say "aye."



The motion carries. Congratulations.

MR. BROWN: Thank you very much. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item



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number 10, Thomas Protective Service, Inc., license

number 1309, seeking corporate officer approval for

Susan H. Thomas and Wendy S. Thomas. Subject to all


Good morning.

MR. THOMAS: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You understand

you're both --

MS. THOMAS: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- under oath?

MS. THOMAS: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And

then --

MS. THOMAS: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- just announce

who both of you are and why you're here.

MS. THOMAS: We are here to get our corporate

officer license approved.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?

MS. THOMAS: I'm Wendy Thomas.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.

MR. THOMAS: I'm Carl Thomas, chairman of the

board, Thomas Protective Service.


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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Go ahead.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Commissioner Gronauer

again.

Ms. Thomas?

MS. THOMAS: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Susan Thomas.

MS. THOMAS: She's my mother. She's not here.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: She's not here?

MS. THOMAS: Correct. We were told she didn't

have to be here. She's on hospice.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: She's what?

MS. THOMAS: She's on hospice.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, okay.

MS. THOMAS: Mr. Thomas is my father.

Ms. Thomas is his wife.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. God bless him.

I'm fine.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I had a question on the

financial portion. There was a large portion that was

on a tax lien. It says that it was resolved in 2017. I

just wanted to make sure that that -- okay.

And then, under the conclusion, it said the

applicant's background investigation did reveal some

adverse information. Was it that?

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questions.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Looks like

we're all --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one more

question, if you don't mind, Mr. Chair.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Does your company have

offices in Nevada?

MS. THOMAS: We have one in Las Vegas.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You had one in

Las Vegas?

MS. THOMAS: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You know, I was

confused with all the names and the addresses. Okay.


questions from the public?

Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Commissioner

Nixon. I move that we approve Thomas Protective

Services, Inc., license number 1309, who is seeking

corporate officer approval for Susan H. Thomas and

Wendy S. Thomas. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements, if approved.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.

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I second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We have a

motion and a second. Any further discussion?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those

in favor, say "aye."



Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations.

Good luck.

MR. THOMAS: Thank you.

MS. THOMAS: Thank you. You all have a great

day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item

number 14, A Closer Look, Incorporated, license number

1569, requesting a corporate name change to A Closer

Look, LLC. Charles Kenerson will remain the qualifying

agent. Subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.

Good morning, sir.

MR. KENERSON: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you understand

you're under oath?

MR. KENERSON: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who



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you are and why you're here.

MR. KENERSON: I'm Charles Kenerson. I am the

qualifying agent for A Closer Look. This hearing is

strictly regarding a name change from A Closer Look,

Inc. to A Closer Look, LLC. Other than that, there's no

changes.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Good morning,

Mr. Kenerson.

MR. KENERSON: Good morning.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have a valid

driver's license?

MR. KENERSON: Yes, I do.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And what state is it

in?

MR. KENERSON: I'm sorry?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What state?

MR. KENERSON: Nevada.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. On your

application it was left empty. And I just wanted to

make sure you had a driver's license and what state it

was from.

MR. KENERSON: I can't hear you, sir.

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you had a driver's license and what state it was from.

MR. KENERSON: Why would you ask that?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Pardon?

MR. KENERSON: Why?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because it's on the

application, and you didn't fill it out.

MR. KENERSON: Hm, seems like a strange

question.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No problem,

Mr. Kenerson. It might be a strange question. But it's

on your application. You're supposed to fill out

everything completely.

MR. KENERSON: And you're saying it's not on

there.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It just says a valid

driver's license, yes. Licensing state is blank.

MR. KENERSON: Oh. I'm sorry. Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now it's not a strange

question anymore.

MR. KENERSON: And now it's not a strange

question.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you. I really

appreciate that.

MR. KENERSON: Okay.

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argument. I'm just trying to figure out why.

MR. KENERSON: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And I can look

at the license number on there to find out. Because it

says San Diego, you know, but I don't know. Thank you.

MR. KENERSON: You're welcome.


questions?

Any the public comment?

Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move -- this is

Commissioner Nixon. I move that we approve A Closer

Look, Inc., license number 1569, for a corporate name

change to A Closer Look, LLC. Charles Kenerson will

remain the qualifying agent. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements, if approved.


Do I have a second?


I'll second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Motion and a

second. Any further discussion?


in favor, say "aye."




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Okay. Have a good day.

MR. KENERSON: Okay. Thank you.


believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm thinking that

we're up to number 17. Maybe I'm wrong. Oh, we do.

Okay. My apologies.

All right. Item number 15, LP Innovations,

Inc., license number 1523, requesting a corporate name

change to -- I'll just spell it out, DTiQ Services, Inc.

John Fice will remain the qualifying agent. Subject to


Is Mr. Fice here?

Is Mr. Fice up north?

MS. KLEMME: No, he's not.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I know one

of the Board members had an issue. So we can postpone

this one, so we can get our question answered.


I'd rather postpone it. I didn't like when -- the

applicant should be here. If it's important to them,

they should be present.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who's the

investigator?

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have you heard

from them, or when was the last time?

MR. SALADINO: He completed his application.

Typically, with these kind of changes, their presence is

not required. We didn't have any issues in the

background, so, you know. It was valid. But he did

have, he carries a New York state valid driver's

license.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: He wasn't proud of it.

I'm good with that explanation. I'll make a

motion.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public

comment?

Seeing no public comment, I will accept a

motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I really believe, I

really believe he should be here, but.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There's a motion

for -- well, we'll see what the motion is. I can't

suggest that. Okay. Thank you, Kevin. Your mic's not

on. There's a reason for that. We're on.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I make a

motion that LP Innovations, Incorporated, license number

1523, is requesting a corporate name change to DTiQ

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qualifying agent. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements. For possible action.

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, Board Counsel. Was

that to approve?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yes.

MR. DETMER: Thank you, sir.



We have a motion. We have a second. We've established

a driver's license is in play. Any further discussion?

All right. All in favor, say "aye."



All right. The motion carries.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where's our other

counsel?

(Laughter.)

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Oh, this is a good day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we're only up

to number 17.

All right. Number 17, NextGen Watchmen L.L.C.,

applying for a new private patrolman license. If

approved, Steve J. Ketter, license number 2382,

requesting that his individual license be kept in

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Members to be approved are Joseph Murphy and Rex Verley.

Subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

For possible action.

Let's bring everybody up front. Or are you the

only one? All right. You understand you're under oath?

MR. VERLEY: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are, and

why you're here.

Right, you forgot to put your mic on. Put your

mic on.

MR. VERLEY: Got it. Speak into the mic.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Let's start from

scratch.

MR. VERLEY: It's on now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Start all over.

You had practice.

MR. VERLEY: Right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And now it's

going to come out really good.

MR. VERLEY: Perfect. So my name is Rex

Verley. I'm applying for a private patrol license under

NextGen Watchmen L.L.C. to be part of the combined group

of NextGen companies. We're an established alarm

company here in the city. And what we're looking to do

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clients without outsourcing to other guard companies.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So if I

understand correctly, how long have you been an alarm

company?

MR. VERLEY: For 21 years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 21 years. And

now you want to expand to a guard service also?

MR. VERLEY: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And who's

Mr. Ketter?

MR. VERLEY: Steve Ketter is our qualifying

agent.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Why

isn't he here?

MR. VERLEY: He wasn't asked to be here. I was

the only person that was asked to be here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.

MR. VERLEY: So that's, that's the reason.


MR. VERLEY: I was the only one that was

required to be here, is what I was told.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm fine with

that.

MR. VERLEY: Okay.

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99.9 percent of the time, the qualifying agent's here,

because that person's the qualifying agent.

MR. VERLEY: Okay.


know we've got some question, so.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So, on Mr. Verely --

MR. VERLEY: Verley.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Verley's background, it

showed that he had some unlicensed activity. Could you

explain that, please, and how it was resolved.

MR. VERLEY: Absolutely. So the unlicensed

activity was we had an agreement with a company. And, I

guess, everything wasn't tied up as good as it could

have been. And as soon as we figured that out, and it

became an issue, we immediately took care of that with

the other company.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So is that -- so it was

resolved?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, the unlicensed activity was

resolved. It was a contract issue with the company they

were outsourcing with. It seemed like they had spoken

about it, but they didn't put it on paper and make it

official. The folks that were working believed

themselves to be NextGen employees. And then once we

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was paid in full, and moved forward with licensure.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.


questions?

Mr. Verley, why would Kevin McMahill ask me to

take a really close look at this?

MR. VERLEY: You know, I would say that --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You don't have

to --

MR. VERLEY: -- it probably had something to do

with being like a Broncos fan, I would guess, something,

going back to that.


MR. VERLEY: You know, all of those guys --

actually, you and I have never got a chance to really

meet.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No.

MR. VERLEY: Which is kind of very odd, because

I've heard of you a million times. But, you know, all

those guys are kind of -- we do a lot with them, and.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, actually,

today is a good day not to know me, because I would have

to abstain. And then you wouldn't get a license.

MR. VERLEY: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So. All right.



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Enough said. We're having a lot of fun this morning.

It's nominally not like this. I don't know why, but the

state's not providing coffee like they normally do,

that's it.

All right. Any questions from the public, or

comments?

All right. I'll call for a motion. And please

tell me what your motion is about.


Nixon. I move that we approve NextGen Watchmen L.L.C.

for a new private patrolman license. If approved,

Steve J. Ketter, license number 2328, is requesting that

his individual license is kept in abeyance so that he

may become the qualifying agent. Members to be approved

are Joseph A. Murphy and Rex M. Verley. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements, if

approved.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do I have a

second?

And I did want to modify your motion. This is

Ray Flynn. It's 2382.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Oh.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's okay.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.

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Gronauer. I'll go ahead and second it.


motion, and we have a second. Any further discussion?


in favor of approving the motion, please say "aye."



All right. Congratulations.

MR. VERLEY: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Have

a good day.

Agenda item number 18, Envista Forensics, LLC,

applying for a new private investigator license. If

approved, David A. Dionisi -- and I apologize if I

mispronounced it -- is requesting to transfer his

qualifying agent status from PT&C Forensic Consulting

Services, PA, dba, Envista Forensics, license number

1375. Members to be approved is Michael J. Driscoll.



Good morning, sir.

MR. DIONISI: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you realize

you're under oath?

MR. DIONISI: Yes, sir.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Please press your

button. Okay. Who are you, and why are you here?

MR. DIONISI: I am David Dionisi. So you were

pretty close on the last name pronunciation. I'm the

qualifying agent here for Envista Forensics.

And, basically, what this is is a rebrand from

PT&C to a name change to Envista, Envista Forensics.

Mr. Driscoll is the -- will be the officer on the

paperwork. He's our -- he's the vice president of the

fire unit. He lives over in Florida.


questions from the Board?

All right. Any public comment?

Okay. I'll entertain a motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Envista Forensics, LLC,

who is applying for a new private patrolman -- private

investigator's license. If approved, David A. --

MR. DIONISI: Dionisi.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Dionisi is requesting

to transfer his qualifying agent status from PT&C

Forensic Consulting Services PA, dba, Envista Forensics,

license number 1375. Member to be approved is

Michael J. Driscoll. This would be subject to statutory

and regulatory requirements, if approved.



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Do I have a second?


I second it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have I second.


All right. I will entertain a motion. I'm

sorry. We already have a motion. I'll accept a vote.

All those in favor, say "aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed,

say --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Aye.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's our motion, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So let's do that

again. All in favor, say "aye."



All right. The motion carries.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, I want to go home.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you.

You have a good day.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Holy moly.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We are a mess.



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We were a mess.

All right. Let's try this. Number 19, Silver

Shields Protection & Investigations, LLC, applying for a

new private investigator and private patrolman license.

If approved, Richard Shields, license number 1804, is

requesting that his individual license be placed into


Member to be approved, Roxanna L. Shields. Subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.

Mr. Shields, good morning. It's been quite a

while.

MR. SHIELDS: Good morning to you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do you


MR. SHIELDS: Yes, I do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Is your button

on?

MR. SHIELDS: Yes.


are you here, and what do you want to do?

MR. SHIELDS: Exactly what you've just said,

Silver Shields Protection & Investigations. I'm

applying for a new private investigator and private

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requesting that the individual licensed be placed into

abeyance so that I may become the qualifying agent.


question from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just want to make a

statement. I've known Rick Shields for quite some time,

I think because of our past lives in law enforcement and

stuff. I have no problem. We don't go out drinking or

doing anything together. I have no problem. I know him

to be an outstanding, honorable person. I won't have no

problem voting on this.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, and this is

Ray Flynn. And for the record, I, too, because of my

prior life in law enforcement, know Rick Shields. And

his reputation is outstanding. But we didn't hang out

or drink. We're just professional. So I have no issue

voting on this matter.

MR. SHIELDS: Thank you very much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you know him?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I don't know him. Nice to

meet you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I won't tell you a

story. Actually, several stories. I'll make a motion.

Wherever in the heck we're at. I don't know. 19.

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that, is there any public comment?

All right. Seeing none, I'll entertain a

motion.


I'll make a motion. Silver Shields Protection &

Investigations, LLC is applying for a new private

investigator and private patrolman license. If

approved, Richard Shields, license number 1804, is

requesting that his individual license be placed in


Member to be approved is Roxanna L. Shields. This is



motion. Do I have a second?


MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, Board counsel.

Board member, I'm sorry. Was that a motion to

approve? I'm sorry.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You're not listening.

I said I make a motion to approve. Yes.


motion to approve. Commissioner Nixon did second it.

Do we have any further discussion?

Seeing no further discussion, I will call for a

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please say "aye."



Congratulations, Rick. You have a good day.

MR. SHIELDS: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Keep up the great

work.

MR. SHIELDS: All right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Item number 20,

Metro One Loss Prevention Services Group (West Coast),

Inc. is applying for a new private patrolman license.

If approved, Adam Wertsbaugh, license number 2600, is

requesting that his individual license be kept in


Corporate officers to be approved are Brandon Carrabba

and Vincent Carrabba. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements.

Good morning, gentlemen.

MR. WERTSBAUGH: Good morning, Mr. Chair.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are your buttons

on?

MR. WERTSBAUGH: Mine is, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And you

understand you're under oath, both of you?

MR. SACCO: I do.



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MR. WERTSBAUGH: Yes, sir.



MR. WERTSBAUGH: Well, my name is Adam

Wertsbaugh. And I am seeking approval to have my

license number, 2600, kept in abeyance to become the QA,

or qualified agent, for Metro One Loss Prevention

Services Group (West Coast), Inc.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any questions of

the -- do you have anything you want to say, sir?

MR. SACCO: My name's Nicholas Sacco. I'm here

to represent the owners in case there's any questions

that you might have. I flew in from New York just to be

here to make sure everything went okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That was going to

be my guess.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I thought it was

Jersey.

MR. SACCO: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But, anyway.

MR. SACCO: I do live in New Jersey, but I work

in New York.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It rubbed off on you.

All right. Anyway, yeah, this is Commissioner

Gronauer. I do have a question. Where is Mr. Carrabba?



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MR. SACCO: Who is it?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Was it Brandon?

MR. SACCO: Brandon and Vincent Carrabba,

they're brothers. They own the company.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. Where's Brandon?

MR. SACCO: Where are they? They're in

New York.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is there a reason

they're not here?

MR. SACCO: I had emailed the corporate

headquarters to let them know that I would be out here

to represent them.

MR. WERTSBAUGH: We emailed Gisela, and she

said that they did not have to be here.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, I have some

questions. And, I think, they may be answered by the

investigator. If that's good, then I'm okay with it.

All right. I have a question on Mr. Carrabba.

There is the tax forms, documents dated 6-4-2019. And,

you know, 6-4-2019 was just a couple months ago. And

I'm trying to figure out if that's taken care of, not

taken care of.

MR. SACCO: From what I understand --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm talking to my

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MR. SACCO: Oh, I'm sorry.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because you can't

answer for Mr. Carrabba, I don't believe. All right.

Even though you're from Jersey.

MR. SACCO: You're right, sir.

MS. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout. The

documents that Brandon Carrabba sent in to us had a

May 30th, 2018 when he started a payment plan. From

when I talked to him on the phone, he was able to

provide an updated one saying that it's in a certificate

of good standing. But it does not show that it has been

completely paid off yet. He had 20 payments to make.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. He talked to you

over the phone. Did he send you any paperwork stating

that?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Yes, he did.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I don't think it's

proper for me to put it on the investigator if he feels

comfortable with this or not. It's going to be up to us

to make the decision. And with that decision, I have a

problem, because I'd like to see that. He still has

payments to be made. Nothing's clear. And previously,

on things like warrants and charges and fines that

weren't cleared by time we had our hearing, I always

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know, I have to deny the request. That's on my part.

So I will make that motion, if a motion's ready

to come in. I'll wait for the public comment, whatever

you want to do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We'll get

there.

All right. Any other questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have one for legal, but.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, you want a

sidebar?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. She

has a question for legal, and we're going to go to

sidebar for a second.

(There was a discussion off the record.)


other questions from the Board?

Seeing no -- yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to have to --

I just received some information here, which

confirmation -- the Department of Taxation. There's an

agreement here, Department of Taxation and Finance, a

confirmation of automatic payment deductions for your

installment payment agreement. Mr. Carrabba has to pay

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made -- since April, he's made each month, April of

2018, he's made each month deduction. And he still has

a remaining balance of -- whatever that is, $4,000

there. The automatic payments is a good thing. But

they could be also, you know, stopped at any time. But

I don't think the government would allow that.

But I'm at a crossroads with this one. So

right now, it looks like Mr. Carrabba's doing the right

stuff. I wish he was here to answer for it. Because,

in person, it would make it a lot easier for me. At

this point, I just wanted to bring it up that there was

documentation sort of favoring him. But he still has a

balance. That's a big deal. Okay.

That's all, Mr. Chairman.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Mr. Chairman, Adam

Wertsbaugh worked for me directly under Universal

Protection Services, I want to say for about a year and

a half. So at that point, I'm going to have to recuse

myself. Commissioner Nixon. Sorry.


That puts us in a bad position for you. Because we have

a board; by law, we're supposed to have five members.

For whatever reason, the Governor's Office has not

reappointed or appointed two of our members, who are no

longer on the Board. All three of us need to vote for



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it to be a quorum. Commissioner Nixon has to recuse

herself because of a prior relationship with one of your

members. So we can't vote.

Now, what I was going to do anyway was to ask

for a postponement to get the individual here and to be

able to answer Mr. Gronauer's questions anyway. And the

only way we can do a postponement is for you to

voluntarily ask for it. Otherwise, we vote.

So we're in a stalemate. We can't do anything

at all. And you have my apologies. You do. I don't

like operating with a three-member Board any more than

any of the other Commissioners here.

So I don't know what we can do, because she

cannot vote. And I asked legal, what do we do? I mean

we have a business licensee that's asking for a

decision, which they have every right to have, and we

cannot provide it.

MR. DETMER: And Mike Detmer, acting as Board

counsel.

There's a couple options, the first one being,

which the Chairman has enumerated, which is to postpone.

The other one is -- and I actually need to research this

briefly. But if one is recusing, it may be that it just

kind of reduces the quorum. But I need to just

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MR. DETMER: If the Board would be willing to

trail, I can look that up. I have my books in front of

me, and I can.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, I'm ready

to take a quick break anyway. Some of us have been

sitting here since 8:30. So.

All right. So you understand what's going on,

I'm trying to get to a position where we can vote today,

so we can resolve this. So if it's okay with you, we're

going to take about a 10-minute break.

MR. WERTSBAUGH: That is fine.

MR. SACCO: It's fine.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And our counsel

will see what we can do when we're in a situation

without a quorum.

MR. WERTSBAUGH: I appreciate the understanding

as well from our end.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Up north,

we're going to take a 10-minute break. I'll let you

know if we need longer.

MS. KLEMME: Okay.

* * * * *

(A break was taken, 10:08 to 10:22 a.m.)

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We are

back on the record. We took a break for a question of

our legal counsel.

And, Mike, if you don't mind, let us know what

we can and cannot do.

MR. DETMER: It would be my pleasure. Mike

Detmer, Board counsel.

With the recusal from Board Member Nixon, your

three-member quorum is now reduced to two. So your

options remain you can postpone as was discussed, or you

can actually vote. However, with a vote, for it to

pass, it has to be unanimous. So those two that are

voting, for it to pass, would both have to vote for the

approval. If you don't get that majority, then the

motion doesn't pass.


With that said, are there any other questions from the

Board?

No other questions. So, Mr. Gronauer, are you

comfortable making a motion, or would you rather

postpone it?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, my questions

were answered by the investigator as being information

for me. And so I'm happy to make a -- I'm positive I

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: A motion to

approve?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I don't know yet.


MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman, for the record --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where the heck are we?

Okay. Number 20.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman, for the record, the

audience is having trouble hearing the Board members

speak. So if you could get just a little bit closer to

your mics, that would be appreciated. Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Really? Can you hear?

Number 20. This is Gronauer. I make a motion

to approve.

Mike, are you okay with that?

Metro One Loss Prevention Services Group (West

Coast), Incorporated, is applying for a new private

patrolman license. If approved, Adam Wertsbaugh,

license number 2600, is requesting that his individual

license be kept in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate officers to be approved are

Brandon Carrabba and Vincent Carrabba. This is subject


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'm Ray



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Flynn. I second. And any further discussion amongst

us?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All in

favor, say "aye." Aye.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Aye.


(Board Member Nixon recused herself from this

vote.)

Okay. Motion carries. Congratulations,

gentlemen.

MR. WERTSBAUGH: Thank you.

MR. SACCO: Thank you very much.


Number 21, Tiberias Security Solutions, LLC, applying

for a new private patrolmen license. If approved, Barak

Kessler, license number 2041, is requesting that his

individual license be placed into abeyance so that he

may become the qualifying agent. Members to be approved

are Larry E. Kessler. Subject to all statutory and


Good morning, sir.

MR. KESSLER: Good morning.


on?

MR. KESSLER: Yes, sir.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware

you're under oath?

MR. KESSLER: Absolutely.



MR. KESSLER: I am Barak Kessler, and I am here

to be the qualifying agent for Tiberias Security

Solutions, LLC.

ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Okay. Any

questions of the Board?

Any questions of the audience, or public

comment?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a

motion.


I make a motion to approve. Tiberias Security

Solutions, LLC is applying for a new private patrolman

license. If approved, Barak Kessler, license number

2041, is requesting that his individual license be


qualifying agent. Member to be approved is Larry E.

Kessler. Subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.





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motion. We have a second. Any further discussion?


in favor of the motion, say "aye."




MR. KESSLER: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a good

day.

Number 22, Watermark Enterprises, Incorporated,

dba Watermark Investigations & Protection Group,

applying a new private patrolman license. If approved,

John A. Avila, license number 2001, is the qualifying

agent. This is -- he's requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may become

the qualifying agent. Subject to all statutory and


Is Mr. Avila here or up north?

MS. KLEMME: He's not up north.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do we have any

questions -- okay. Thank you.

Do we have any questions for this individual?

I didn't.

All right. Seeing no questions from the Board,

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motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And since Mr. Avila is not

here, I move -- this is Commissioner Nixon. I move that

we postpone a vote for Watermark Enterprises, Inc., dba,

Watermark Investigations & Protective Group, for a new

private patrolman license.


Gronauer. I second it.


motion. We've a second. Any further discussion?

Okay. All those in favor of postponing item 22

to the next meeting, say "aye."



All right. That agenda item's been postponed

till the next meeting.

Number 23, Serve Vegas, LLC, applying for a new

process server license. If approved, Nicholas Ohlson,

license number 1914, is requesting that his individual

license be placed in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements.

Is Mr. Ohlson here, or up north?

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Did

we have any questions for Mr. Ohlson?


Seeing none, I'll ask for a motion from the

Board.


Gronauer. I make a motion to postpone number 23. Serve

Vegas, LLC is applying for a new process service

license. If approved, Nicholas Ohlson, license number


placed into abeyance so that he my become the qualifying


requirements. If he was here, it might be a different

story.



have a motion, and we have a second for postponement.


Seeing none, call for a vote. All in favor of

postponing item number 23, say "aye."



The motion carries.

Number 24, D Executive Protection,

Incorporated, applying for a new private patrolman



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license. If approved, Dexter Jasper, license number

1844, requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he may become the qualifying


requirements. For possible action.

Good morning. Mr. Jasper?

MR. JASPER: Yes, sir. Good morning.


on?

MR. JASPER: Yes, sir.


you're under oath?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Why are

you here?

MR. JASPER: I am requesting a change of status

from D Executive Protection to D Executive Protection,

Inc.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So just a name

change?




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: No.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any public

comment?

All right. Seeing none, I'll ask for a motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve D Executive Protection,

Inc., who is applying for a new private patrolman

license. If approved Dexter Jasper, license number



qualifying agent. This is subject to all statutory and





Gronauer. I second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. A motion

and a second. Any further discussion?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the motion

for approval. All those in favor, say "aye."



Okay. The motion carries.

MR. JASPER: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you.

Have a good day, sir.



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MR. JASPER: You, too.

All right. Number 25, Brad M. Murray,

requesting a change in licensing status. Mr. Murphy is

requesting that his individual license, license number

1726, be kept in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent for Beach City Investigations &

Protection Services Beach Cities Protective Services,

Inc., license number 2122. He's also requesting a

corporate name change from Beach City Investigations &


Inc. to Beach City Investigation and Protective

Services, Inc. That actually makes a lot of sense to

me. Corporate officer to be approved is Ronald J.

Blackstone. Subject to all statutory and regulatory


Good morning. Is your button on?

MR. CARLSON: Yes, sir.


you're under oath?

MR. CARLSON: Yes, sir.



MR. CARLSON: My name is Michael Carlson. I am

the executive vice president for Beach Cities Protective

Services. And I'm here to get approval for a qualifying



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manager and, also, a corporate name change.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I'm fine.


Seeing none, any public comment?

No public comment. I'll call for a motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Brad M. Murray, who is

requesting a change of licensing status. Mr. Murray is

requesting that his individual license, license number

1726, is kept in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent for Beach City Investigations &


Inc., license number 2122. He is also requesting a

corporate name change from Beach City Investigations &


Inc. to Beach City Investigation and Protective

Services, Inc. Corporate officer to be approved is

Ronald J. Blackstone. If approved, this is subject to




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: This is Gronauer. I

second.



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motion. I have a second. Any further discussion?

Okay. All those in favor of the motion, say

"aye."



Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations,

sir. Have a good day.

MR. CARLSON: Thank you.

MR. INGRAM: It's going to be a lot easier to

fit on the corporate --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right.

MR. CARLSON: It's a mess. Thank you.


Private investigator category. Number 26, Five Diamond

Screening, LLC, applying for a new corporate private

investigator license. Arne Ogaard is applying for an

individual private investigator license. If approved,

he is requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he may become the qualifying

agent. Members to be approved are Arne Ogaard,

Catherine J. Aldrich and Jordan A.G. Robusto. This is



Good morning, sir.



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MR. OGAARD: Good morning.


on?

MR. OGAARD: Yes, sir.


you're under oath?

MR. OGAARD: Yes, sir.



MR. OGAARD: I'm Arne Ogaard. I'm applying for

a private investigator's license and to become the

qualifying agent for Five Diamond Screening.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's quite a few

people on this one, right, Aldrich, Ogaard and Robusto?

MR. OGAARD: I'm sorry, sir?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's two other

people involved, right?

MR. OGAARD: Correct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Is there a

reason they're not here?

MR. OGAARD: Yes. I spoke to and I sent an

email to the PILB down on Durango, and they said it was

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. All right.

Thank you.

No further, Mr. Chair.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public

comment on this -- oh, I'm sorry.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'm sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It's okay. I had a quick

question for the investigator. It seemed like

Mr. Ogaard had some negative information come up on his

background. Could we clarify that, and has been it been

taken care of, clarify what that was?

MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell. Yes, that

was the two bankruptcies. And they were taken care of.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah, I'm good.


public comment?

All right. Seeing no one, I'll call for a

motion.


Nixon. I move that Five Diamond Screening, LLC, who is

applying for a new corporate private investigator's

license, Arne Ogaard, who is applying for an individual

private investigator's license, if approved, he is



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Members to be approved are Arne Ogaard, Catherine

Aldrich and Jordan A.G. Robusto. This is subject -- if

approved, this is subject to all statutory and




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. Second.


further discussion from the Board?


for approval. All those in favor, say "aye."



opposed?

The motion carried. Congratulations, sir.

MR. OGAARD: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you. Have a good

day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Item number 27.

Jaike Miller is applying for an individual private

investigator license. If approved, she is requesting

that her individual license be placed into abeyance so

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Nevada, Inc., license number 1320. Corporate officers

to be approved are William Aaronson and Casey W. Gibson.



I have a funny feeling I didn't pronounce your

name correctly. Did I?

MS. MILLER: You did not.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. What

is it, for the record?

MS. MILLER: It's Jaike ("Hyk-ee") Miller.

"Hyk-ee."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: "Hyk-ee." Okay.

MS. MILLER: M-hm (affirmative).

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.

MS. MILLER: That' okay.


you're under oath?

MS. MILLER: I do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Ma'am, why


MS. MILLER: I am trying to apply for a private

license, and I'm trying to be the agent for Digistream

Nevada.


MS. MILLER: And we do workers' comp files.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, sir.


Seeing none, any public comment on this item?

Okay. I will call for a motion.


Gronauer. I make a motion to approve Jaike Miller.

She's applying for an individual private investigator

license. If approved, she is requesting that her

individual license be placed in abeyance so that she may

become the qualifying agent for Digistream Nevada,

Incorporated, license number 1320. Corporate officers

to be approved are William Aaronson and Casey W. Gibson.






further discussion?

All right. I'll call for a vote on the motion

to approve. All in favor, say "aye."





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Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations.

MS. MILLER: Thank you very much.


day.

MS. MILLER: Have a great day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Item 28, Vincent

Minecci is applying for an individual private

investigator license. If approved, he is requesting

that his individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the qualifying agent for Stroz

Friedberg, LLC, license number 1784. Subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.

Good morning, sir.

MR. MINECCI: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MR. MINECCI: Yes, I am.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who you

are and why you're here.

MR. MINECCI: Hi. My name is Vincent Minecci,

and I'm applying for an individual PI license. And if

approved, I'm requesting that it be held in abeyance in

order to become the qualifying agent for Stroz

Friedberg, LLC, license number 1784.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No questions.



public comment on this item?


motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Vincent Minecci, who is

applying for an individual private investigator's

license. If approved, he is requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent for Stroz Friedberg --

MR. MINECCI: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- LLC, license number

1784. This will be subject to all statutory and

regulation requirements, if approved.





further discussion?


to approve. All those in favor, state "aye."



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The motion carries. Congratulations, sir.

MR. MINECCI: Thank you very much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 29,

George S. Webb is applying for an individual private



that he may become the qualifying agent for Claims

Verification, Inc., license number 1219. Subject to all


Good morning, sir.

MR. WEBB: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MR. WEBB: I am.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who are

you, and why are you here?

MR. WEBB: I am George Scott Webb. I'm here

applying for my individual private investigator license.

If approved, I'm asking that it be held in abeyance so

that I could be the qualified agent for Claims

Verification, Incorporated, license number 1219.


questions?



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comments, public comments?

All right. Seeing none, I will call for a

motion.


Nixon. I move that George S. Webb, who is applying for

an individual private investigator's license, be

approved. If approved, he is requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent for Claims Verification,

Inc., license number 1219. If approved, this will be






further discussion?


to approve. All those in favor, state "aye."




MR. WEBB: Thank you very much.



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Number 30, James D. McCarthy, applying for an individual

private investigator's license. If approved, he is


abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent for

Donan Engineering Company, Incorporated, license number

2421. This is subject to all statutory and regulatory


Good morning, sir. Are you aware you are under

oath?

MR. MCCARTHY: Yes, I am.



MR. MCCARTHY: I'm James McCarthy, the regional

manager for Donan Engineering. I'm applying for an

individual private investigator's license. I am

requesting that that individual license, if approved, be

placed in abeyance so that I may become the qualifying

agent for Donan Engineering.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I did have

a question. Explain the engineering, private

investigator, because I was at a loss.

MR. MCCARTHY: That's fine.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I don't get

it.



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MR. MCCARTHY: Donan Engineering and a forensic

engineering company. We have engineering, engineers and

fire investigators. And I am the regional manager for

the West Coast. And we primarily do origin and cause

investigations for the insurance companies.


MR. MCCARTHY: No problem.


questions?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. Then, as the

qualifying agent, your other employees have work cards?

MR. MCCARTHY: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Through PILB Nevada?

MR. MCCARTHY: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I wanted to make

sure.

MR. MCCARTHY: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you. Because the

ones that are doing the work, you have to make sure they

have cards.

MR. MCCARTHY: I understand that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.

MR. MCCARTHY: I used to have a card some years

ago for another company.

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other questions?

Any public comment?

All right. Call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I'll make a

motion. This is Gronauer. I make a motion to approve.

James D. McCarthy is applying for an individual private



that he may become the qualifying agent for Donan

Engineering Company, Inc., license number 2421. This is




ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a motion,

and we have a second. Any further discussion?


in favor of the motion to approve, say "aye."




MR. MCCARTHY: God bless.


day.

Number 31, Chad A. Mitchell, applying for an



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individual private investigator license. This is



MR. MITCHELL: Hello.


Are you aware you're under oath?

MR. MITCHELL: Yes.



MR. MITCHELL: I'm Chad Mitchell. I'm here to

apply for an individual private investigator's license.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any questions

from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you retired?

MR. MITCHELL: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: From law enforcement?

MR. MITCHELL: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Henderson, correct?

MR. MITCHELL: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I mean I read your

background. Have you applied for a license before,

prior?

MR. MITCHELL: No, sir. I've been just retired

for three years and just getting back into work.

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It's about the right time, after three years.

MR. MITCHELL: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. No

other questions. Any public comment?


motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make the motion.

Gronauer. I make a motion to approve. I'm getting good

at that. Thanks, Mike. To approve. Chad A. Mitchell

is applying for an individual private investigator

license. This is subject to all statutory and






further discussion on the motion?


to approve. All those in favor, say "aye."



The motion carries. Congratulations. Have a

good day.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thanks for showing up



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and being here. That's a good deal.

MR. MITCHELL: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The best thing we

did was take that 10-minute break. We just went through

that whole section.

All right. We're moving on to private

patrolman. Number 32, Premier Protective Security,

Inc., applying for a new corporate private patrolman

license. Timothy R. Coleman, applying for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, he is



Corporate officers to be approved are Timothy R.

Coleman, James F. Labriola and Chaz B. Vetter. This is



Good morning, gentlemen.

MR. COLEMAN: Good morning.

MR. LABRIOLA: Good morning, sir.


you're under oath?

MR. LABRIOLA: Yes, sir.

MR. COLEMAN: Yes.





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MR. COLEMAN: I'm Timothy Ray Coleman. I'm the

CEO of Premier Protective Services, Incorporated.

MR. LABRIOLA: And I'm Jim Labriola. I'm COO.


MR. LABRIOLA: I do all the work.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: As it should be.

MR. COLEMAN: If I may, Mr. Chairman, we're

here to seek your approval for a new corporate private

patrolman license for Premier Protective Security and,

also, for me as an individual private patrolman license,

and asking for that to be held in abeyance so I can

become qualifying agent for the company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And where are you

guys based out of?

MR. COLEMAN: Out of Nashville, Tennessee, is

where our corporate office is. We're in multiple

states.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So is the --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. Go ahead.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So is there a plan to open

a office here locally? Okay.

MR. LABRIOLA: Yes.

MR. COLEMAN: Yes, ma'am, there is. I'm



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currently an active police chief in the state of

Tennessee. I retired July 17th after 25 years with the

agency. We're just doing our due diligence, putting

everything in place, so that we are compliant and being

able to put the best product we can out there to serve

the citizens of Nevada and meet the standards of this

Board.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We pronounce our

name "Neh-vad-au."

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You're from Tennessee.

MR. COLEMAN: Could I say Tennessee?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know where we're

at?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What agency in

Tennessee?

MR. COLEMAN: I'm in the Berry Hill Police

Department, an actual city inside Nashville itself. So

it's very unique.


MR. COLEMAN: We gave up guitars and cowboy

boots to come see you today.


Nash-Vegas. All right. Any other questions?

And I don't have any others. All right. Any

public comment?



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Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a

motion to approve. Premier Protective Security,

Incorporated is applying for a new corporate private

patrolman license. Timothy R. Coleman is applying for

an individual private patrolman license. If approved,

he is requesting his individual license be placed into


Corporate officers to be approved are Timothy R.

Coleman, James F. Labriola and Chaz B. Vetter. This is






further discussion?





The motion carries. Congratulations,

gentlemen.

MR. COLEMAN: Mr. Chairman, may I say one

thing?

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MR. COLEMAN: I've sat here today listening.

And I've been in many states. I want to personally

thank the members here and to the north for what you do,

taking your time out, especially to you, Mr. Chairman,

and you, Mr. Commissioner, for your law enforcement

service and your continued service. Thank you very

much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, I appreciate

that. You have a good day.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: He already got the

license.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Safe travels.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Southern gentlemen.


Number 33, Maccabee Arms, Limited, applying for a new

corporate private patrolman license. Sharon Oren is

applying for an individual private patrolman license.

If approved, he is requesting that his individual


the qualifying agent. Members to be approved are Sharon

Oren and Yelena K. Oren. Subject to all statutory and


And greetings from the north.

MR. OREN: Hello, hello.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hello. Are you



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aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. OREN: Yes, I am.



MR. OREN: My name is Sharon ("Shah-rohn")

Oren, spelled like Sharon. It's better than Sue, but

I'm used to the abuse. I'm seeking for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, requesting that

the individual license be placed in abeyance so that I

may become the qualifying agent for Maccabee Arms, Ltd.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any questions of

the Board?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'm good.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Your background,

if I recall, is IDF, correct?

MR. OREN: Yeah, IDF and security services,

government and freelancing part.


Any public comment?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a motion

from the Board.


Nixon. I move that we approve Maccabee Arms, Ltd., who

is applying for a new corporate private patrolman



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license. Sharon Oren is applying for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, he is



Members to be approved are Sharon Oren and Yelena K.

Oren. This will be subject to all statutory and




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.


have a motion and second. Any further discussion?

Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the

motion to approve. All in favor, say "aye."



Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations,

sir. Have a good day.

MR. OREN: Thank you much, and ma'am.


Number 34. Abel B. Peralez is applying for an

individual private patrolman license. If approved, he

is requesting that his individual license be placed into

abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent for

Aarrowhead Security, Incorporated, dba, Vet-Sec



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Protection Agency, license number 1271. Subject to all


action.

Good morning, sir.

MR. PERALEZ: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How are you?

MR. PERALEZ: Doing good, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. And you're

aware you're under oath?

MR. PERALEZ: Yes, sir.



MR. PERALEZ: My name is Abel Peralez, United

States Navy former, operations manager for Vet-Sec

Protection Agency, been there for six years, requesting

for your approval to become the qualifying agent for

Vet-Sec Protection Agency here in Las Vegas.


for your service.

MR. PERALEZ: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What kind of

lapel pin? I can't. My eyes aren't that good.

MR. PERALEZ: Oh, it's our 25-year pin. We've

been in business for over 25 years now.

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your company pin?

MR. PERALEZ: Yes, sir.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Just a quick question on

the adverse information. Was that due to the

collections?

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. Yes, it was.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. I'm good. Thank

you.


public comment?


motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Abel B. --

MR. PERALEZ: Peralez.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Peralez, who is




the qualifying agent for Aarowhead Security, Inc., doing

business as Vet-Sec Protection Agency, license number

1271. If approved, this would be subject to all




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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second. Gronauer.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a second.


Seeing none, I will call for a vote. All those

in favor of the motion to approve, state "aye."




MR. PERALEZ: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank

you, Board.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Number 35,

Cody K. Golant, applying for an individual private

patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual license be placed into abeyance so that

he may become the qualifying agent for G4S Secure

Solutions (USA), Inc. license number 1563. Subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.

Good morning, sir.

MR. GOLANT: Good morning, sir.

ACTIVE BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware

you're under oath?

MR. GOLANT: Yes, sir.



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ACTIVE BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who are


MR. GOLANT: My name is Cody K. Golant, and I

am applying for an individual private patrolman license.

I am seeking approval for abeyance so the qualifying

agent can be placed in my status for G4S Secure

Solutions.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you for

your military service.

MR. GOLANT: Thank you, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You spent some

time with the Army, I see.

MR. GOLANT: 11 years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: 12.

MR. GOLANT: Yes, sir.

ACTIVE BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It was the Army. No.


public comment on the applicant?


motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Cody K. Golant, who is




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the qualifying agent for G4S Secure Solutions (USA),

Inc., license number 1563. If approved, this is subject



questions? I'm sorry. Do I have a second?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I second.


have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a vote

for the motion to approve. All those in favor, state

"aye."



Okay. Motion carries. Congratulations to you.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Congratulations.

MR. GOLANT: Thank you. Have a nice day.


Number 36. Cory L. Rivero, applying for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, requesting that

his individual license be placed into abeyance so that

he may become the qualifying agent for SOC Hawthorne,

LLC, license number 1357. Subject to all statutory and




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Good morning, sir.

MR. RIVERO: Good morning, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I was curious

where you'd show up when I was reading that, whether

you'd come down here or go up there. It's kind of in

the middle, isn't it?

MR. RIVERO: No, sir. Vegas is about 315 miles

from us, and Carson City is 123.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Shows you

how often I get to Hawthorne.

MR. RIVERO: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are you

aware you're under oath?




MR. RIVERO: My name's Cory L. Rivero. I'm

applying for an individual private patrolman's license.

If approved, I'm requesting that my individual license

be placed in abeyance so that I may become the

qualifying agent for SOC Hawthorne, LLC, license number

1357.


with the military facility up there; is that where

you'll be --



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- performing the

security?

MR. RIVERO: Yes, sir. We are the operating

contractor for the Hawthorne Army Depot. And I'm the

general -- excuse me. I'm the guard operations manager

for the security unit there.


you.

Are there any other questions from the Board?

All right. Any public comment on the applicant

or the motion, or agenda item?

All right. With that, I'll call for a motion.


Nixon. I move that we approve Cory L. Rivero, who is

applying for an individual private patrolman's license.



the qualifying agent for SOC Hawthorne, LLC, license

number 1357. If approved, this is subject to all




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I second.




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MR. RIVERO: Thank you, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.

MR. RIVERO: Have a great day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 37.

Jorge B. Blanco Wilson is applying for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, he's requesting


that he may become the qualifying agent for Picore

Beristan Initiative, Incorporated, dba, Picore

International, license number 1389. Subject to all


action.

Good morning, sir.

MR. WILSON: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MR. WILSON: Yes, sir.





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MR. WILSON: My name is Jorge B. Blanco Wilson.

I'm the operation manager for Picore International. And

I'm here applying for an individual private patrolman

license. If approved, I am requesting that individual

license be placed into abeyance so that I may become the

qualifying agent for Picore International, license

number 1389.


have contracts set up in Nevada, or what type of

security do you guys to?

MR. WILSON: We are running all the T-Mobile

Metro PCS and other properties here in Las Vegas.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The retail

stores?

MR. WILSON: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are there

any other questions from the Board?



public comment?


motion.


motion to approve. Alfredo Rivera Hernandez is applying

for an individual patrolman license, private patrolman



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license. If approved, he is... I have the wrong one.

Yeah. How did I get there?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: 37.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Well, we'll

approve the other one, too, then. I'm sorry.

Aye yie yie. Oh, I see.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It's easy, no.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I got it. Okay.

I take that all back.

All right. This is Gronauer. I make a motion

to approve number 37. Jorge B. Blanco Wilson is




the qualifying agent for Picore Beristan Initiative,

Incorporated, dba, Picore International, license number

1389. This is subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.





on the motion to approve. All those in favor, say

"aye."




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The motion carries. Congratulations. Have a

good day, sir.

MR. WILSON: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Let's

try one more. Number 38. Linda C. Morrison, applying

for an individual private patrolman license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual license

be placed into abeyance so that she may become the

qualifying agent for Rancho Security Services, LLC,

license number 875. Subject to all statutory and


Good morning to you.

MS. MORRISON: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MS. MORRISON: Yes.



MS. MORRISON: My name is Linda C. Morrison,

and I am here applying for the private patrolman

license. If approved, I would like my card to be put

into abeyance so that I can become the qualifying agent

for Rancho Security, LLC.

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from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'm good.


I am good, too. All right. I'll entertain a motion.

Oh, I'm sorry. Any comments or questions from the

public?

Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll try it again.

Gronauer. I make a motion to approve. Linda C.

Morrison is applying for an individual private patrolman

license. If approved, she is requesting that her

individual license be placed into abeyance so that she

may become the qualifying agent for Rancho Security

Services, LLC, license number 875. Subject to all




have a motion and a second. Any discussion?


vote. All those in favor of the motion to approve,

state "aye."



The motion carries. Congratulations. You have



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a good day.

MS. MORRISON: Thank you so much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're welcome.

All right. Number 39 has withdrawn.

We'll move on to process server. Item

number 40. Taylor Squared Incorporated, dba, NMI is

applying for a new process server license. Taylor S.

Kruse is applying for an individual process server

license. If approved, he's requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to

be approved are Taylor S. Kruse and Nancy J. Taylor.



Good morning.

MR. KRUSE: Good morning.

MS. TAYLOR: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. You're

aware both of you are under oath?

MR. KRUSE: Yes.

MS. TAYLOR: Yes.



MR. KRUSE: So I'm Taylor S. Kruse. I'm here

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accepted, be put into abeyance for -- or as the

qualifying agent of Taylor Squared, dba NMI.

MS. TAYLOR: I'm president of NMI.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a

name?

MS. TAYLOR: Nancy Taylor. I'm so sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's okay. No

problem.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If I may add something.

Okay. I've known NMI company business, okay, for quite

a few years, from the time I was elected constable. As

far as I know, we've never gone out, never had coffee or

nothing else. Ms. Taylor runs a darned good business.

That's a true story, isn't it? That's what it is.

MS. TAYLOR: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And I know of her, for

many, many years now, probably around 20. And she's

never had a problem in her business, that I know, and

everything's always been good. So, but I don't think

I'll have a problem voting on this here subject.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Understood.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Even on the vote.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Appreciate

the comment.

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from the Board.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one more thing.

Do you know, as qualifying agent, as I said earlier to

some other qualifying agent, that everybody that serves

your papers has to have a work card?

MR. KRUSE: Yeah, we actually have, anybody who

would be, we have some provisional cards out already.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Just so, I mean

I just want, because some people take it that it's a

license and you can do whatever you want.

MS. TAYLOR: M-hm (affirmative).

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So I wanted to make

sure. And I know Nancy knows the rules pretty darned

good. Anybody studied A.B. 151 and S.B. 151, it would

have been Nancy. And I'm sure you did, too, because

you've been with her for awhile. So I just want to make

that clear, because sometimes people think that we can

do whatever we want to.

MR. KRUSE: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Thank you.


Any public comment?


motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll --



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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I can trust you. Go

ahead.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I want to make sure.

Let me see. Gronauer. I make a motion to approve.

Taylor Squared, Incorporated, dba, NMI is applying for a

new process server's license. Taylor S. Kruse is

applying for an individual process server's license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual license

be placed into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate officers to be approved are

Taylor S. Kruse and Nancy J. Taylor. This is subject to


And I appreciate you showing up, both of you.

MS. TAYLOR: Thank you.

MR. KRUSE: Thank you.



have a motion. I have a second. Any further

discussion?





Congratulations. The motion carries.

MS. TAYLOR: Thank you very much.



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MR. KRUSE: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Next

section, canine handler. Number 41 has postponed.

Number 42. Lawrence E. Sanchez is applying for

an individual private investigator and process server

license. I'm sorry. This is under private investigator

and process server. Lawrence E. Sanchez, applying for

an individual private investigator and process server

license. This is subject to all statutory and


Good morning, sir.

MR. SANCHEZ: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MR. SANCHEZ: Yes, I do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Your name

and why you're here.

MR. SANCHEZ: Lawrence Sanchez. I applied for

a private investigator's license as well as process

serving license. And I hope to get approved.


Any question from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just want to -- give

me a second. Okay?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sure.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Please.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No problem.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I might have missed one

there. I don't know. And maybe I didn't. About 30

seconds more.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, while he's

writing, I -- there's a gap. You didn't like went into

retirement and now you're coming back?

MR. SANCHEZ: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That was

the only question I had.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a little more.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's all right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good. I think,

that was my problem, too. I just couldn't remember

where it was in my notes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Two out of the

three of us up here are retired. Where it's supposed to

be, it's in this report.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right. Right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah.


public comment on this agenda item?

All right. Seeing none, call for a motion.




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Nixon. I move that we approve Lawrence E. Sanchez, who

is applying for an individual private investigator and

process server license. If approved, this would be


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have

a second?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll give a second.

Gronauer.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Do

you need a second, or you --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, no, no. I make --

Gronauer. I second.


have a motion. We have a second.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: More coffee.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't see any

discussion or questions. So I'll call for a vote on the

motion to approve. All those in favor, say "aye."



Okay. Motion carries. Welcome back to the

workplace.

MR. SANCHEZ: Yes. Thank you. I appreciate

it. Have a good day.




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category, private investigator and private patrolman.

Number 43. Armor Network, LLC, applying for a new

private investigator and private patrolman license.

Devin C. Ballard is applying for an individual private




qualifying agent. Member to be approved is Devin C.

Ballard. This is subject to all statutory and


I need to state that I have known Devin for

probably the majority of his career. We worked in the

same chain of commands several times. We did not

associate after work, or related, or personal

friendships beyond work. I have no issues with him. I

hope he has no issues with me, because I'm not going to

recuse myself. And I feel fine to go ahead and vote.

MR. BALLARD: Good morning. Again, my name is

Devin --


you're under oath?

MR. BALLARD: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have to ask you

that.




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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Excuse me, Mr. Ballard.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do we know each other?

MR. BALLARD: We do.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. That's what I

thought. And we never hung out and did all that stuff,

either?

MR. BALLARD: No, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And I'm going, I know

this guy. I forgot for a little while, but, you know.

MR. BALLARD: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I'm sorry,

Mr. Ballard. I just wanted to make sure. And we're all

good.

MR. BALLARD: Yeah.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now what do you want?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who are you, and

why are you here?

MR. BALLARD: I'm Devin Ballard. I'm applying

for a private investigator and private patrolman

license. And if approved, I'm asking that the license

be held in abeyance so I can become the qualifying

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All right. Any public comment on the

applicant?


motion.


motion to approve. Armor Network, LLC is applying for a

new private investigator and private patrolman license.

Devin C. Ballard is applying for an individual private




qualifying agent. Member to be approved is Devin C.

Ballard. This is subject to all statutory and



have a motion. Do I have second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All

those -- any further discussion?

Seeing none, any -- let's do a call for a vote

on the motion to approve. All those in favor, state

"aye."




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The motion carries. Congratulations to you.

MR. BALLARD: Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: We know how to retire.

We just don't want to.


category, private patrolman and canine handler.

Number 44 was postponed.

Number 45. James N. McCollum is applying for

an individual private patrolman and canine license. If



qualifying agent for K2 Solutions, Incorporated, license

number 2631. Subject to all statutory and regulatory


Good morning, sir.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Good morning.


you're under oath?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir, I am.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who are you, and

why are you here?

MR. MCCOLLUM: My name is James McCollum. I'm

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K2 Solutions based out of Southern Pines, North

Carolina. I'm a resident here. I was hired here to

represent them as a canine handler. So I am applying

for the private patrolman and canine licensing. If

approved, to be in abeyance so that I might be the

representative.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. How long

have you lived here?

MR. MCCOLLUM: I've lived here -- the first of

the year, it'll be two years. I'm almost at my two-year

point now.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to have to

put it off to you, Ray, when it comes to the canine

stuff. All right. Because I don't know, if he's here

two years, how he's been certified and all that.


MR. MCCOLLUM: I could answer any questions you

want, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes. Explain

your experience in canine.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Okay. My law enforcement

background, I did everything but canine, you know,

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had a variety of background. K2, they specialize in

explosive detection as well as some other things, a lot

of stuff overseas. Here, they are doing a lot of vapor

dogs. So that's what I was -- they hired me. They sent

me to North Carolina. It's about 45 minutes outside of

Ft. Bragg, military base company, retired and all that.

So they hired me. They sent me to their school,

assigned me to the dog. So I specialize in a dog that

is -- not only does static area, but he also will

identify anybody that's been handling explosives or have

handled or has explosives on them.

So that is what I'm specialized in training,

sir. So they sent me to their school, assigned me the

dog, and then brought me back to the city of Las Vegas.

Because I was hired out of Las Vegas for a position that

they had, and I'm currently working at the Hoover Dam.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you a licensed

canine handler now?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir, I am licensed through

IPWDA, which is International Police Working Dog

Association. And I just passed, last week I just passed

the city of Las Vegas's, or the state test as well.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, who's the

investigator on this?

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And which agency

did the testing for this individual?

MR. SWARTHOUT: We did the testing through the

Las Vegas Convention Center with Woody Chan, who's

POST-certified for it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So not

only does -- so you understand how this process works,

not only do they investigate, verifies the training, we

actually, we -- we did it with Metro for years, and now

we're doing it with the Convention Authority.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I know about that. I

just want to make sure your dog did it.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir. And if I may say, it

was not easy. Woody did a great job. It's not an easy

test.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have two

questions.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why did you --

what police agency were you with?

MR. MCCOLLUM: I was with City of Gainesville,

Florida. Not the university. I was with the City of

Gainesville, Florida for 10 and a half years. And I was

also bonded through the Alachua County Sheriff's Office

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why did you

leave?

MR. MCCOLLUM: A lot of personal issues I had

at the time. And I was going to retire from there. I

had 10 and a half years. And then I just I just quit.

I opened up my -- I had a private investigation agency

there for about two years in Florida. Our work was not

good, and I just moved on after a few years to come out

here. My cousin invited me out here to work with him,

but then he had some issues as well. So I got back into

security and ran into an opportunity to work for K2,

sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And how

did you -- I mean they're minor amounts, but you have a

lot.

MR. MCCOLLUM: They're very minor. There were

six that the investigator addressed. I believe, there's

six or seven.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.

MR. MCCOLLUM: As soon as I got full, I paid

three off in full.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.

MR. MCCOLLUM: I took care of them right away.

I'm currently paying another one off here that was $656.

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1,600 one, or 656, that is in dispute right now. And

then there is one collection agency there, I think, for

a propane company for a couple hundred dollars. I'm

trying to pay them off, but that company I can't get

ahold of. So I told the investigator this morning what

I'm going to have to do is reach out to the company back

in Florida, see if I can take care of it through them.

If not, can they get me in touch with the collection

agency.

But just in the last few weeks, I've paid

probably almost half of everything that I owe off.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that, what

was unusual compared to other applicants --

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- was the small

amounts on this.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I'm like,

what, and I don't -- how did you get there with just

these small amounts?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Honestly, when I left law

enforcement and went to work for myself, and I just went

through some hard times. I had a son that had a bad

drug problem. And I just couldn't get work. And I

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work. So that's when I moved out here. So I ended up

owing a cable company, a phone company, a propane

company, something like that. So it was just little

things that companies that you ask for their services,

to live, just like anywhere else.

And so there was multiple of them. But the

good thing is there was multiple, and they're not large

amounts. They're very easy to pay off. And I'm almost

done with everything. Except the biggest one's the one

that's in dispute for 1,600.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And

the investigator, anything you want to add on the

financials?

MR. SWARTHOUT: No, he did provide documents,

which he also has. He did show them to me today, that

he does have three of them that are paid off and one of

them that he's making payments on.


MR. MCCOLLUM: And as I said, sir, the one that

I'm trying to contact, and I'm probably going to reach

out to the actual company for that put it in collection,

see if I can't pay that. Because when you look the

company up and you try and contact them, there's just no

contact information.

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main question, I mean you explained how you got here.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It just was

unusual to see such small amounts that went to

collection.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you explained

the reason why.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate

that. Our Executive Director's got a question.


Did I understand you to say you are currently

working as a canine handler --


MR. INGRAM: -- at Hoover Dam?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir, I'm at the Hoover Dam,

K2 Solutions. The Hoover Dam needed a dog. The

National Park Service has a dog, but it only does static

work. And, of course, they're spread so thin, they're

all over the place. And their job is not to maintain

one position, obviously. They have to be out there

patrolling and doing services for the state and the

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they needed a canine. So they put it out to bid. And

then K2 got the bid. So they put somebody out there

temporarily until I finished school. I replaced that

young lady that was out there. Our contract is up

October 1st. It's out to bid. We're hoping to get it,

because it's, ideally it's a canine handler's dream to

be working in that position.

MR. INGRAM: So do you currently hold a

registered work card with us?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir. Prior to doing,

hiring with K2, when I first came out here, I started

doing security work. So I had a card, you know, your

work card prior to that, so.

MR. INGRAM: Perfect. Thank you.




That's all the questions I have. Any other questions?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. In the short

time that you've been here now -- is it about two years,

two and a half years, you've been in Nevada?

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir. Well, two years,

well, end of January will be two years for me here in

Las Vegas.

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problems with the police departments in the area?

MR. MCCOLLUM: No, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Been cited, anything?

MR. MCCOLLUM: No, sir, never been pulled over,

never cited. I've called law enforcement a couple

times. And I have to say, compared to Florida law

enforcement, Henderson and Metro, I'm very impressed

with the way they handle things, so.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, I'm impressed

that you were an Army guy, I mean a Marine on an Army

base. I don't know.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Well, actually, I was never on

an Army base. They hired --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I understand.

MR. MCCOLLUM: -- going out there, near Fort

Bragg. And, you know, the owner of the company, he

stopped me in North Carolina. He's retired Delta Force.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's a good place to

be.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yes, sir, it is, it's a good

place.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. I have

nothing else. You mentioned some kind of -- well, I do

have something else. You mentioned some kind of a --

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MR. MCCOLLUM: Oh, no, no. My son, he's in

recovery, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, okay.

MR. MCCOLLUM: He's been, my son --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now I get it. Okay.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yeah, that was why I was

struggling a lot, I mean to be a single parent. My son

was just out of high school at the time, and it was a

big struggle.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I missed that whole

thing there.

MR. MCCOLLUM: Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's okay. God bless

you. No problem. Okay. I'm done.



All right. Any public comment on this agenda

item?


motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Commissioner Nixon. I

move that we approve James N. McClellan --

MR. MCCOLLUM: McCollum, yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- McCollum, who is

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handler license. If approved, he is requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent for K2 Solutions, Inc.,

license number 2631. If approved, this is subject to






have a motion. I have a second. Any further

discussion?


on the motion to approve. All those in favor, state

"aye."




MR. MCCOLLUM: Thank you. Take care,

everybody. Appreciate your time.


Before we get into registration appeals, I want to bring

something up to my fellow Commissioners. And this is

directly as a result of the fact that there's only three

of us, that, for whatever reason, the Governor's Office

has not moved on a long-term vacancy we've had, nor have



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they moved on a re-upping another member, which they've

known for awhile that term was going to come up. I feel

we're at the point that it will affect our efficiency as

well as affect the service that we can provide the

citizens of Nevada.

So what I would like to do, with your support,

and I'm going to put it as a motion, is I will send a

letter under the PILB letterhead to the Governor

himself. I will get involved so we don't have to worry

about Kevin and the chain of command and all that. I

believe that the Governor is unaware. And people

underneath him are not doing what I would expect them to

do. And that's my word, it's nobody else's. But

enough's enough. We've went multiple, multiple meetings

now.

So I will -- what?

(There was a discussion off the record.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I can't do

a motion. I'm going to give a directive. But I want to

let you guys in on it so there's no surprises.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.


if you want to verbally approve or offer me counsel, we

can do that, too.

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to draft out on your letterhead stating how long these

vacancies have been open, the fact that it is affecting

our efficiency to schedule meetings as well as meet the

needs of the citizens of Nevada, my belief that he

personally is unaware of our situation, and the number

of times that you have attempted to address.

And if we can get this, I can sign it tomorrow,

or sometime where we're meeting tomorrow, if that's

something you want to get done. All right.

But if my commissioners -- I'm just seeking

your support.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I might have stepped

out-of-bounds. I contacted Aaron Ford, the Attorney

General. And he says he really, he's looking at all the

boards, and he really wasn't aware how dire our

situation was. And that was about three weeks ago.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But I've been out of

town, so I haven't had any contact.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No problem.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If you don't mind,

because I do that sometimes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, I don't mind.

But I want to let you know that I will be sending it

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Great.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Are

you good with that, Tammy?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. All

right. Now, let us take --

MR. INGRAM: 15.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Let's take 15

minutes. And we have the appeals the rest of the

afternoon.

So up north, for the stenographer, rest your

fingers. And the rest of us, let's relax for a few

minutes. Thank you.

* * * * *

(A break was taken, 11:28 to 11:48 a.m.)

* * * * *

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you guys

ready up north?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good

afternoon. This is Ray Flynn. And we are going into

the registration appeals process of the Private

Investigators Licensing Board meeting.

For those that are here, if you were not sworn

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swear you in.

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record.

For those of you that are standing, if you

could please raise your right hand.

MR. INGRAM: Anyone that's currently here for

an appeal hearing, you'll need to stand and raise your

right hand.

MR. DETMER: For those you that are testifying,

do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole

truth, and nothing but the truth?

(All applicants and witnesses present in

Las Vegas and Carson City were sworn/affirmed.)


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The first

one is item number 46, Wayne Byrd. Is Wayne here?

Okay. We will trail that one.

Number 47. I apologize. I'll just go by the

last name. Dupre? Is Dupre here? Yes, please come

forward, sir.

Good morning. How do you pronounce your first

name?

MR. DUPRE: Etienne ("a-teen").

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good

morning to you.

All right. And, ma'am, you are?



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MS. DUPRE: I'm Elise Dupre, his mother.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: His mother.

Okay. Your buttons are on, both of you?

MR. DUPRE: Mine says it's turned on.

MS. DUPRE: Mine says it's on, too, so.


Good enough. All right. Are you here for moral

support, or will you be testifying on behalf of him?

MS. DUPRE: Both.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Moms are

allowed to do that.

MS. DUPRE: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who's

the investigator on this one?

MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell.


Mr. Maxwell, what do we got, and why?

MR. MAXWELL: In September of 2017, in the

state of Nevada, the applicant was arrested for

attempted burglary at felony level. The disposition was

a minimum of 24 months, maximum 60 months in Nevada

Department of Corrections. He did disclose it on his

application and, also, provided court documents and the

police report. This was all confirmed using SCOPE, the

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report.


Mr. Dupre, let's hear your -- why do you want to go into

security work?

MR. DUPRE: The reason I --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: After being

convicted as a felon less than two years ago?

MR. DUPRE: The reason why I want to go into

security work is because of the simple fact I feel like

it's a career that is going to have me being able to

gain stability and for me not to even engage in my

environment that I used to be around, me changing myself

as a person mentally and just better as a person. And I

feel like that my past. I was 18 during the time. I

just turned 20 years old recently. And I feel like me

being young, it's an opportunity for me to get a career

going for myself. That's why I'm stepping into this

field, or attempting to.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Well,

why don't explain the circumstances of your burglary to

me.

MR. DUPRE: The circumstances of my burglary,

like the story behind it, or?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, please.

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just --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, I hope so.

You're under oath.

MR. DUPRE: Just being led by the blind.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just what?

MR. DUPRE: Just being led by the blind really,

as in like the influence.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who did you

burglarize?

MR. DUPRE: I burglarized a home.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: A home,

somebody's home you broke into?

MR. DUPRE: I didn't enter the house, but, yes,

somebody's home.


still under probation?

MR. DUPRE: Yes, I am.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How long are you

on probation for?

MR. DUPRE: Till April next year, 2020.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'll let

the -- we have never granted a work card to somebody

under felony probation, just so you know.

MR. DUPRE: Yes, sir.

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see what my other Board members want. I don't want you

to think that you're being singled out for any reason.

But we might do something where we'll allow you to come

back. Okay?

MR. DUPRE: Yes, sir.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, please.

Mr. Dubre, you're -- Mr. Dupre. I'm sorry.

You're, what, 20 years old now?

MR. DUPRE: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. How much time

did you build?

MR. DUPRE: Did I do inside?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah.

MR. DUPRE: I did a year and two months.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And how long

have you been out?

MR. DUPRE: I've been out for seven months now.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you been employed

anywhere?

MR. DUPRE: Yes. I was employed at Healy's

Electric. Because I was finishing out my sentence at

Cassie Reilly (phonetic spelling), which is a halfway

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house. And I was able to obtain a job. I was working

for Healy's Electric from, I believe, was it September

of last year? Yeah. And I finished out my time in the

Healy's Electric while I was at the halfway house. I

was working there till February of this year.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. You're still

employed there?

MR. DUPRE: No.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Because your

time's -- okay. I understand.

MR. DUPRE: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I get that. Have you

applied for any jobs anywhere else?

MR. DUPRE: Yes. I was applying for different

places, at construction companies for awhile. But then

I started to lose like interest in it. You know, I like

I say, I feel like this would be a field for me to

participate in due the fact that I know a few of them

are also participating in security work. And they have

armed position, armed license. I know that I can't go

for an armed license because of my felon position. But

that seems like a craft that I'd actually like to take

on, just the fact of the advice that I received from it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If you were so to get

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MR. DUPRE: Currently? Yes. I had already

paid online for my PILB license, I believe. It was $125

for the fee and everything. I had to pay for that. I

had met with someone at, it was Allied Universal. And I

spoke with them. And I forgot his name. I think, his

name is Alex, if I'm not mistaken. But he was talking

about me, how he would have a job lined up at McCarran

Airport Transit, if everything went as planned.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you married at this

time?

MR. DUPRE: Do I have a son?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you married?

MR. DUPRE: No.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Do you have any

children?

MR. DUPRE: None.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where do you live?

MR. DUPRE: Right now, I currently live -- like

streetwise, or?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where are you staying?

MR. DUPRE: Oh, yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Make it easy.

MR. DUPRE: I stay with my mother.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: With mom?

MR. DUPRE: Yes.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's okay. That's

good. How many other people are in the house?

MR. DUPRE: Just myself.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. It's just

tough because of the time and distance right now.

MR. DUPRE: No, I understand.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's a little tough.

And, you know, it's so hard on a young man. But I was

just trying to figure out what we would do. Because

we've never, as the Chairman said, this short amount of

time. Plus, you're 20 years old. And you're going to

be off paper when?

MR. DUPRE: April, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you. I'm

sorry. Thank you.

MR. DUPRE: Thank you.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: To just be clear,

currently, you're not working?

MR. DUPRE: Currently, I am not working.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have

anything. Mom, is there anything that you want to say?

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Hope for Prisoners, and they still send him out him out

on jobs. So he's still looking for jobs. And he goes

where they send him. But it's just like where they send

him, the last one he had, it was like they wanted him to

do telemarketing outside. And so I told him just to

continue to look, never give up, because everyone makes

mistakes.

And he always wants to help people. And the

problem with him was, like I said, like he said, he got

in with the wrong crowd is why. His ex-friend that he

hadn't seen in years just popped up at the house.

So he's a really good kid. I'm not saying it

just because I'm his mother. Because I'm always on his

case telling him, you know, go back to school, which

he's trying to do, also. Because when he got in

trouble, he was going to school for IT. So he's still

trying to work his way up so he can do better. And I

think that's what really counts. And he has such good

role models.


you.

Mike, I don't believe we take public comment on

appeals, do we?

MR. DETMER: It's at the pleasure of the Board.

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we have.

MR. DETMER: Yeah, we don't.


I don't see any other questions from the Board.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have questions.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where were you living,

where were you staying at the time of the burglary, what

address?

MR. DUPRE: I was staying with my cousin.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where?

MR. DUPRE: Over on Boulder in the Northtown

area.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I can't hear you.

MR. DUPRE: Over in the Northtown area.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. This is a

tough situation.

MR. DUPRE: Yeah, I do understand.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because I do like you.

I mean I really do. Just off the hand, you could see

that. And you got a good mom. There's no doubt in my

mind. It's just that that is a jacket put on you for a

little bit that you put on yourself, which come with

young mistakes. Okay. We understand that. It's just

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everybody is remorseful afterwards. And, I think, you

were remorseful from the beginning. But we just have to

figure this out. And right now, I have a hard time at

this moment to -- well, let's wait and see what the

Board does.

And I'm done with everything.


what I'll do is I'll through out a motion. I'm going to

make the motion that we deny, but you can come back in a

year. You come back in a year, and you will be off

probation at that time. And that'll give us some more

time and distance, and see what you've done with your

life since then. So that's my motion.



motion. I have a second. Any other, further

discussion?

Okay. All in favor, state "aye."



Okay. Keep your nose clean. We will see you

in a year.

MR. DUPRE: Thank you, sir.

MS. DUPRE: Thank you.

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probation.

MR. DUPRE: And God bless. Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Get off paper. And try

to get a job, any job. I don't care where. There's

nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, see. It's

good benefits, and they pay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I worked at

McDonald's.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, there's nothing

wrong with that. So I'm just looking at it. You know,

it's tough for you because of the situation. But you're

a gentleman. So try to keep that in mind.

MS. DUPRE: I do my best to raise him to be

that way.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You're doing a good

job. You could see that. He's humbled. He's

definitely humbled by it, so.

MS. DUPRE: Yeah. Well, I think, another thing

is because I'm almost done with my B.A. in criminal

justice and a minor in psychology.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: God bless you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you.


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Mr. Hinton, good morning to you.

MR. HINTON: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You realize

you're under oath?

MR. HINTON: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who is the




Mr. Maxwell, what do you got?

MR. MAXWELL: In July of 2010, in California,

the applicant was charged with grand theft from a person

at the felony level. The disposition was 210 days jail

with three years probation. They did disclose on the

application. And this was confirmed using the

fingerprint report.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Hinton, what

have you been doing with your life since July 29th of

2010?

MR. HINTON: Well, since then, I've been like

in like multiple jobs.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Speak up a little

bit. You need to speak up. I can't hear you. I know

they can't hear you up north.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.

MR. HINTON: So since then, I've been like

working like multiple jobs, I mean over like 10, 12

jobs. It's been like temporary, some in warehouses and

stuff like that, you know. Now I have kids and stuff.

And I actually have -- I have a guard card in California

now. So I had to go through the same process. I got

denied. And I went through an appeal and got approved

for a guard card out there.

So, plus, I moved out here about like three

months ago. I thought I'd jump back into the security

industry, because I want to work for security. But

right now, I work for Smith's. I just got hired there

like a month ago. So I'm still actually working for

them. But I really want to work for like security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What brought you

to Las Vegas?

MR. HINTON: The rent is cheaper out here. I

couldn't afford it like that out there. So me and my

girl and my kid, we decided to move out here. She had

family that stay out here. So she came out this way

with her two sisters.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what do you

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groceries, rack up carts, do returns and stuff like

that.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If you get a work card,

if a work card is approved for you, what is your plans?

MR. HINTON: I'm trying to apply for Allied

Security. So I already spoke with them, and they just

told me to come back whenever I was able to get one.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So you spoke with that

security company, and they just said, well, you get a

card, and you can come back and talk to us?

MR. HINTON: Yes, they'll grant me a job if I

could get it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And it's three months,

I believe, you said you were here in Las Vegas?

MR. HINTON: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you had any

run-ins with the police of any nature?

MR. HINTON: No.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And since 2010 or

whatever, you've been just working odd jobs?

MR. HINTON: M-hm (affirmative), yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you.


question from the Board?



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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So just so I can

understand time and distance, you got out in 2012'ish?

MR. HINTON: About, yes.


MR. HINTON: Like around this time, September.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And so then 2012. Then,

your probation was done in about 2015?

MR. HINTON: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'll

entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion,

because of time and distance and you being here, and we

can't find anything else going on with you, and I hope

you got it going, flying right, and you already tried to

get a job without a work card --

MR. HINTON: Right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- and you needed one.

I make a motion to approve Marcus Hinton. Or are you

telling us to say approve it?

MR. DETMER: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Approve his --

MR. DETMER: Appeal.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: His appeal. That's it.


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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I have a

second.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Whatever, I say.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. All

those in favor of the granting the appeal, say "aye."



Good luck to you.

MR. HINTON: All right. Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Get it right. Okay?

MR. HINTON: Sure.


be Davin Kelley.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Good morning.

MR. KELLEY: How are you all?


You realize you're under oath, sir?

MR. KELLEY: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Who's the



ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Boy, you're busy,

Mr. Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Go ahead. Go

ahead.

MR. MAXWELL: In September of 2016, in

California, the applicant was charged with inflicting

corporal injury on spouse cohabitant. This was at

felony level. The disposition was three years

probation, 120 days jail. Probation was then extended

to five years two months. The applicant was initially

made provisional. He did disclose this arrest as a

possible misdemeanor and later on provided court

documents which, in conjunction with the fingerprint

report, revealed the conviction to be a felony.


Mr. Kelley, I got a couple questions for you. Okay. So

tell me about this inflicting corporal injury on your

spouse or cohabitant.

MR. KELLEY: You said 2016. I never. When I

went to jail then, that's what they wrongfully arrested

me for. It was in '06 that this happened. When I went

to jail in '16, they locked me up, and the judge said,

"We don't even know why you're in here." Because I had

an eight-year felony warrant that was an unformal

probation. And I had it for one year. I did classes at

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unformal, it went by. Eight years passed. 2016, they

arrested me, and they didn't even know why I was in

there. So the judge had told me that my entire case was

going to be dismissed.

So I didn't even know that this was still on.

I thought it was either dismissed or it was removed from

my entire case. But 2016, I never inflicted pain on

anyone.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So if I

understand you correctly, this charge stemmed from 2008?

MR. KELLEY: 2006.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 2006 is when this

occurred?



did 120 days in jail for it?

MR. KELLEY: I did 68 days.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Time

served. Okay. 68. And then you went on probation?

MR. KELLEY: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And then, for

whatever reason, something happened on probation,

because there's an entry for you to he rearrested.

MR. KELLEY: After the three years probation,

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a one-year unformal probation. Because I was at a -- or

what do they call it, a behavioral place, where I was

able to do my domestic violence classes at the Hacienda.

So once I did my classes through there, I didn't have

nobody to report to.

You know, all this time went by, they had me

listed down as I should have -- the judge said I should

have came in and saw the judge to where they could have

cleared it a long time ago. But I had unformal

probation for a year, so I didn't know who I was

supposed to check into. So all that time went by. And

in 2016, they arrested me for this old charge.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And we

need you to --



Just --

MR. KELLEY: I'm sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You need to

stand, or, I guess --

MR. KELLEY: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm --

MR. KELLEY: It's very confusing. It's very

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was the extent of the injuries that did you in '06?

MR. KELLEY: None. My son's mother at the

time, she didn't want to press no charges. And the

person, the man that I had got into a physical conflict

with didn't want to press no charges. So they asked

what was the infliction on her and all that. I said

that I moved her out of the way to get to him. And the

D.A. picked up my case. That's the only reason why I

even have the felony on my background.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what was

the -- what initiated the police contact in 2016 for

them to arrest you for this?

MR. KELLEY: 2016, I was walking down the

street, and the police just pulled me over. And when he

pulled me over, he said that I had a warrant for my

arrest, for an eight-year warrant. And I said, "How is

that possible? I haven't been in trouble with you guys

at all." So when they took me to jail, and I went and

saw the judge, he, that's exactly what he said, "I don't

even know why you're here." And that's the same thing I

said, "Like I haven't been in trouble. I haven't -- I'm

not on probation now. I'm not on anything." So when I

went there, they -- he said, "We're going to dismiss

this case as if it never happened." That was at

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Mr. Maxwell, do you have anything to add?

MR. MAXWELL: It did start off in 2006. But

through the fingerprint reports, it's -- it shows pretty

much exactly what the applicant is saying. I did get

court records from Riverside. And it shows pretty much

what the applicant is stating, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. How

long have you lived in Las Vegas?

MR. KELLEY: Two years. I've lived here two

years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What are

you doing now?

MR. KELLEY: Well, I was working at the

Crossroads of Southern Nevada, the rehab center.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, on

Charleston?

MR. KELLEY: Yes. I was working over there.

Things didn't turn out right with the management. So

they wanted to move on from further, with other

security. So I've applied for a CSC Security Events

Staff, but I needed to get my guards card first before I

could move on with them.


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MR. KELLEY: Not at the moment.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what did you

do in California before you moved here?

MR. KELLEY: I was working was a caregiver.


MR. KELLEY: I've been taking care of children

and old people my entire life.


MR. KELLEY: But I moved to Vegas, met my wife,

got married, had a daughter, moved forward with my life.

I haven't been in trouble with the law in God knows how

long and don't plan on it.

BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: All right. Are there any

other questions?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I just want to make sure.

Are you working now?

MR. KELLEY: Not at the moment.


MR. KELLEY: I'm just waiting to get the guards

card approved, and then they told me to come back in and

I'll have a job.



don't have any other questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I'm just -- I



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just need a little clarification from either Mr. Maxwell

or you, sir. Okay. Because I'm not understanding the

three years probation, and then it was extended to five

years, or what you said, even to six years.

MR. KELLEY: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How did that, how did

that occur? I don't understand that.

MR. KELLEY: I'm still at a loss myself.

Riverside County had me for three, three years

probation. And I wasn't finished with the work release

program. So they -- because it was actually 111 -- 192

days, and it was going to be only weekends. So it was

like over two plus years that I was going to be working

just the weekends. So they -- a couple things happened,

and I just didn't show up at the moment. So they

extended my time past the three years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now I understand.

MR. KELLEY: Gave me a little, little more time

for the probation. I was at the Hacienda, where I

finished out my classes and all. And then, from the

unformal probation, I didn't have nobody to check into.

So I didn't, you know, didn't know who I was supposed to

the report to or I was supposed to go see a judge,

because nobody told me anything after the one year was

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here I am.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Where do you

live now? Where you live, where you stay? I don't

know.

MR. KELLEY: I have a house with my wife and my

daughter.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You're married now?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How old is your

daughter?

MR. KELLEY: Nine months.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is your wife working?

MR. KELLEY: Yes. She's a teacher at Mater

Academy.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If you get this here,

if you are approved for this work card, what do you plan

on doing with it?

MR. KELLEY: Go work for CSC, do events

staffing with them. They have a position for me, the

management already. I've already established myself

with that company. So they just told me to get my

guards card and then come back and see them.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I see

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move -- This is

Commissioner Nixon. I move that we approve Davin

Kelley, or we overturn, I'm sorry, Davin Kelley's denial

for his registration.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So we

have a motion to grant the appeal.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: There we go. Yes.


don't see any further discussion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, we know what

we're doing.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All in favor of

granting the motion to the appeal?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Bob, you seconded

it?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I said aye.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. Any

opposed?

All right. The motion passes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Congratulations. Good

luck.

MR. KELLEY: Thank you to you all. Thank you.

Have a good day.

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need a break?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, just I just have

to go downstairs.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're

going on a five-minute break. We have to -- we have an

equipment issue up here.

Scott Macrina, you're on deck, so.

* * * * *

(A break was taken, 12:14 to 12:19 p.m.)

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going to go live again. Are you okay up north?

THE REPORTER: Yes.



Scott Macrina.

MR. MACRINA: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell

again. Where do we got?

MR. MAXWELL: In July of 2017, the applicant

was arrested in the state of Nevada, and the charge was

carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. This was

a misdemeanor. He did disclose and provided court

docs. The disposition was a 30-day suspended jail

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months, which was satisfied in July of 2018; impulse

control counseling, which was satisfied in April of

2018. The weapon was forfeited. And the case was

closed in July of 2018.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us

about it.

MR. MACRINA: I was currently at work and

protecting my store, because I am the store manager. I

currently am still. I had a customer come in, irate,

threatening my employees and myself. I went outside to

deescalate the situation with my weapon. I had

deescalated it, put the gun in my back pocket. And

somehow, I don't understand where the cops came

involved. I was -- I had the weapon in my back pocket

with the butt of the gun exposed. And the cops had came

over. And that's wounded up where I got arrested and

charged with the concealed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Did the

person that was threatening your employees, did they

have a weapon?

MR. MACRINA: To my knowledge, I -- they had a

knife. And it was also a customer who had in the past

caused issues, with verbal abuse, threatening, and just

pretty much irrational.

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store was this?

MR. MACRINA: A convenience store.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Like a 7-Eleven?

MR. MACRINA: It's like a 7-Eleven.


still working there?

MR. MACRINA: Yes. I'm the store manager.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So why do

you want a security permit?

MR. MACRINA: I would like to do something

different. Right now, I currently work 70 hours a week.

And I've been for five years. And I'm trying to slow

down a little bit. And I feel as though being in

security, it's there's more doors to open up with that,

better hours, and I could be more around for my

daughter.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate

that. Just so you know, I don't see enough time and

distance on the weapons charge, me personally. And

we'll see what the other Board feels. All right.

Any other questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Have you ever had any

weapons training or experience before, or is it --

MR. MACRINA: No.

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MR. MACRINA: No, I have not had any training.

But I also do currently possess a weapon again. And I

have no issues in that, with it, have had no issues.

And I also spoke with law enforcement while I was at my

job to, for them to tell me how to properly -- where it

could be on my person, like in my car and stuff like

that. So I did reach out to just get a better

understanding on to what the laws are.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So since your arrest with

this weapon, you have not gone to obtain a CCW or

anything, you just continued down the same path?

MR. MACRINA: I just, literally, I've been

afraid to go. Because I've never been in trouble. I've

never even had a misdemeanor. So it's not like they

have a handbook to say, hey, this is what you can do,

what you cannot do. And so now I'm just a lot more

aware and smarter with it. You know, and I don't even,

while I'm at work, I don't keep it on me. It's in my --

like underneath my register, in the tray. So I haven't

been able to -- that's why I try doing this.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. And, again, you

have no formalized training, you haven't gone for, to

range or anything to try to, you know, better your

weapons handling?

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to do it, because I am the only one working. And I have

a lot of stuff going on between the time periods. I've

lost a father and my son.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Sorry to hear that. Okay.

Thank you. No further questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Can I call you Scott?

MR. MACRINA: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I'm Commissioner

Gronauer. You can call me whatever you want. The thing

is, you say you became more aware about, you know, how

to handle the gun and all this other stuff, and

currently you keep it under a counter where you're

working. Is that correct?

MR. MACRINA: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. In this amount

of time -- and I'm sorry about all your loss. That's --

I understand. But there is police departments that

offer these classes for a very minimum amount. There's

ranges, you can go at nighttime and get certified or get

a CCW permit from them. Training, you need training.

It's just not you get a gun and, oh, had a little

problem, I talked to a couple cops or somebody else, and

I'm okay, I understand it. No, you don't understand it.

There's a real big deal. Okay. You already

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not well-trained. You're not well-informed. I think,

the best thing you could do is make sure you get that.

At this time, it's hard for me because of time

and distance with the weapons charge, and you didn't do

anything to correct it. And I know you've had some

personal problems with that, that you can't do anything

about. But you want something like this here, I can't

hold that up. At this point, that's from me. It's up

to my other Board members, whatever they want to do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. No other

questions. I'll make a motion. You guys have been busy

most of the morning. I'll make a motion that we deny

the appeal based on time, distance, and the fact that it

is a weapons charge. And it wasn't too long ago that

this Board would deny weapons charges for eternity.

So you're more than welcome to come back in a

year from now to see what you've done with your life and

make sure you've stayed out of trouble. And we'll take

a look at it next year if you want to come back before

us again.

MR. MACRINA: Okay. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Oh. Oh,

we didn't --

MR. MACRINA: Oh.

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me, they don't always agree with me.

All right. So. That's my motion.



have a second. Any further discussion?

All right. No further discussion. All those

in favor of denying the appeal, say "aye."



All right. See you in a year.

MR. MACRINA: All right. Thank you.


Brett Smith. Is Brett here?

Hello, Mr. Smith.

MR. SMITH: Good afternoon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good afternoon.

Mr. Maxwell.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you got?

MR. MAXWELL: July of 2014, in Nevada, a charge

of possessing firearm under the influence at misdemeanor

level. The disposition shows he was fined, and he

forfeitured the weapon, and he received probation. This

was disclosed and was the reason for the denial.

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at misdemeanor level. SCOPE shows that no charges were

filed. He did disclose.

November 2010, also in Nevada, DUI,

misdemeanor, 30 days jail which was suspended, fine and

DUI school. This was also disclosed.

July of 2006, in Nevada, breach of the peace,

misdemeanor, 30 days suspended jail sentence, and he was

ordered classes. This was also disclosed.

The applicant disclosed all the arrests, and he

was not made provisional.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Mr. Smith,

what are you doing these days?

MR. SMITH: Well, currently, for the past three

and a half years, I've worked at a mortuary on behalf of

the Clark County Coroner's Office. I do removals. So I

have contact with police officers literally every single

day. Besides that, I am two hours short of my private

pilot's license for fixed-wing and rotor-wing. I'm just

waiting for the final check ride. So I'm subject to the

Department of Transportation overlooking me. But that's

pretty much all I do is go to work, pick up bodies, and

fly when I can.

I was in a process of trying to change and get

out of mortuary work. I was trying get out of the

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Your mic's on?

MR. SMITH: Yes, sir, it is.


MR. SMITH: Three and a half years picking up

bodies for the county, it's not going to go anywhere. I

was looking for advancement and other things, something

more fitting of what I want to do. I'd like to fly

eventually, but contracting would be more up my alley.

In regards to possession of the firearm under

the influence for 2014, I was under medication at the

time. My mother had passed. I had problems sleeping.

Drove home, had the weapon on me.

In relations to the probation violation, I told

them. They knew that I had weapons at the time. It was

not forfeited. I told them I couldn't place it,

somewhere else. My sister had just recently had a kid.

My father was in between houses. I made the mistake of

keeping it during the probation. During house arrest,

they came, they found it, off to jail I went. Through

litigation, we decided that, hey, if I give them the

weapons, they will reduce it to a misdemeanor. So

that's basically what happened.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you had a DUI

in '10, and then you were under the influence of

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MR. SMITH: Yes, sir. Since, I'm not taking

any prescriptions.


Any questions from fellow Commissioners?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: This is Gronauer. Do

you have a substance abuse, whether it be alcohol or

drugs, now, problem?

MR. SMITH: No, I do not. So the original DUI

was marijuana in 2010. I haven't smoked marijuana in

six plus years, or five years, since the time of the

probation violation prior to that. But the Department

of Transportation is absolutely zero tolerance for that

type of stuff.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: On the probation

violation, they came in and found your gun. Did they

take you to jail at that time?

MR. SMITH: Yes, sir, they did.


MR. SMITH: I spent, I think, I don't know,

about a week or two weeks. And then we -- they didn't

think I had money to bail out. I bailed out. Through

litigation, they said, hey, we'll give you back the bail

money if you spend another eight weeks or so. At that

time, we decided to strike a deal, hey, you could have

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down to a misdemeanor to obtain gun ownership and gun

rights.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you on paper now?

MR. SMITH: No. The coroner wouldn't allow

anybody who was on probation to, A, enter people's

houses and crime scenes to -- you know what I mean, to

do what I do.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: When did you get off

paper?

MR. SMITH: To be honest, I think, it ended

when I spent the extra eight weeks. I think, we kind of

just washed hands. I didn't have to do any classes. I

just said, hey, you guys want me to lay down, do this

time. And that's what happened.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So somewhere near the

end of two fifteen, 2015?

MR. SMITH: Yeah, actually, I believe, I got

out October 31st, 2015. And that was at HDC Henderson.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have a gun on

you now?

MR. SMITH: Well, currently, we're in a state

building. No. But I do own two weapons. One I

acquired this past year, passed the background check.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have a CCW?

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another year before I can apply for a CCW.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Why?

MR. SMITH: That's just what Nevada state law

says, it has to be five years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Five years. Okay. All

right. Thank you.

MR. SMITH: Thank you, sir.


questions?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I just wanted to confirm

that he's off paper now, I guess, is the term.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Off probation.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Off probation.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Off parole or

probation, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You don't watch a

lot of movies.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, ma'am.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you. Learn the

lingo.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: They understand it,

that's the thing.


entertain a motion.

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make a motion. And it's because of firearms and the

things that are going on. I have to deny the appeal for

Scott Macrina, who applied for registration and was

denied. I want to continue to deny the appeal.


motion to deny the appeal.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Smith.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, Smith. That's

Smith. I'm sorry. Number 51. And I even had it

marked.


have a motion to deny. Do I have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask a question?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, if we don't

have a -- I'll second just for the sake of discussion.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So I'll second.

And then, now you can state what you want.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So when was he

completely done with everything? I'm just trying to

determine time and distance.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: October 2015.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: 2015.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, you said

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MR. SMITH: Yes, sir. So it'll be almost four

years in October.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: He can't even get a CCW

yet.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. I just wanted to

make sure.


discussion?

All right. We have a motion to deny and a

second. All in favor of denying the appeal, say "aye."



No. Okay. So your appeal's not granted. I

would say the same thing that I said to somebody else a

little while ago. Your issue, in my mind, is a time and

distance one. You can't even get a CCW from a local

government, let long the state. So. And I'd encourage

you to stay clean and come back in another year before

us.

MR. SMITH: Understood.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I think, things

might go in your favor, at least with me.

MR. SMITH: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I can't speak for

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MR. SMITH: Yes, sir.


MR. SMITH: It was nice seeing you after 20

something years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where do I know

you from?

MR. SMITH: My childhood. You know my father

and my mother.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, right. Wow.

MR. SMITH: Oh, hey, how are you?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Wow.

Yeah.

MR. SMITH: You look a little different, and

you don't have a dog with you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. You got a

bit older. Wow.

MR. SMITH: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Is your dad still

up north?

MR. SMITH: No, sir. He actually works for

OSHA and DIR on Sahara. He's senior legal counsel for

OSHA and DIR.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, good to see

you.

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seeing you. Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 52, Joseph

Verde. Come on down.

Okay. You realize you are under oath?

MR. VERDE: Yes, I do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Talk to us,

please.

MR. MAXWELL: April of 1990, in Colorado, the

applicant was charged with carrying a concealed weapon.

This was at the misdemeanor level. There was no

disposition given. He did disclose it. On the

fingerprint report, it shows that all he received was a

fine. And this was confirmed on the fingerprint report.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Your side

of the story, what happened?

MR. VERDE: I just want to say thanks for the

hearing today.

This was so long ago, after I was denied, I

went ahead and I did like three background checks

online. And I found that I didn't even realize that it

happened. And I ended up calling the clerk in Colorado,

and they said that it was actually just the case was

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I listed it.

And, actually, what it was, it was a bayonet

that I found in somebody's trash. And I was on my way

home, carrying it. And my friend got stopped. We were

walking home together. Anyway, I told the officer right

then that what I had. And he took it. And that was

that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How long have you

lived in Las Vegas?

MR. VERDE: Since 2001.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you do

for a living?

MR. VERDE: Work at Old Navy, for 11 years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 11 years?

MR. VERDE: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why do you

want to work in security?

MR. VERDE: My friend actually works in the

mall where I work. And so, and I walk to work. So it's

just very convenient.


MR. VERDE: Yeah.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'll make

a motion. We easily have time and distance. You've got

a work history, a long-term residence. So I'll make a

motion that we approve your appeal.



second. Any further discussion?

All in favor, say "aye."



All right. You have a good day.

MR. VERDE: Thank you very much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Willie Edwards,

come on down. Mr. Edwards?

Just for my edification, is there anybody up

north in the audience?

MS. KLEMME: We just have one person in the

audience.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are they here for

appeals?

MR. BROWN: I'm here to listen and observe.

MS. KLEMME: Just to listen and observe.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That's

fine. I didn't know I was that popular. That's good.



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All right. Well, we're going to trail

Mr. Edwards.

Trenses Love. Trenses Love?

All right. We'll trail that one.

Jerry Stovall.

How are you, sir?

MR. STOVALL: Hi. Good.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell. No.

It's Ms. Donald.

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. In 2005, in

Hawaii, he was convicted of a misdemeanor DUI. He was

fined. His driver's license was suspended. He did

disclose.

In 2002, in Hawaii, he had a misdemeanor

charge, abuse on a household member. He was convicted,

received six months probation. He disclosed.

1998, in Hawaii, abuse on household member, a

misdemeanor, convicted again, six months probation. He

disclosed.

1998, in April, in Hawaii, he had a felony

conviction of unlawful taking of a vehicle without

consent, convicted, fined and five years probation. He

disclosed.

1997, in Hawaii, a terroristic threat,

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disclosed.

1997, harassment and stalking, misdemeanor,

convicted, six months suspended sentence. He disclosed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You were pretty

busy from when you were 19 to 21.

MR. STOVALL: I was young, hanging with the

wrong crowd.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just for my

edification, that Hawaii was way ahead of its time.

What was a terroristic threat in 1997?

MR. STOVALL: When I was -- I guess, my

ex-girlfriend's -- she took my car. And she let her new

boyfriend drive my car off. So I came up and I

threatened him.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Came up and what?

MR. STOVALL: I pushed him and I was going

to -- I threatened him with a knife.


Interesting charge for that.

MR. STOVALL: Yeah.



MR. STOVALL: I lived in the Vegas three years.

Three years, sir.




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are you doing now?

MR. STOVALL: I work construction, a full-time

job. And I also work nighttime at the club, I bounce.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What club?

MR. STOVALL: Gold Spike, downtown.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you an

employee of Gold Spike?

MR. STOVALL: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Why do you

want a security card?

MR. STOVALL: My boss has events coming up on

the site, and he's asking us to acquire the card so we

can work that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Great.

Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What will you do with a

security card or with -- what will you do with a work

card? That's the part I don't understand.

MR. STOVALL: A lot of our, the events that my

boss has on the site, he has like movies coming up. I

want to jump on that, because I like to work. I'm just,

I'm a busy guy, like to work. I work full-time during

the day, and then I work on weekends.

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MR. STOVALL: Unarmed.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you attended any

classes for anger issues or domestic violence?

MR. STOVALL: Yes, I did.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Or anything like that?

MR. STOVALL: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you submitted any

paperwork to that effect?

MR. STOVALL: Me?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you brought in any

paperwork to the investigator for that?

MR. STOVALL: Oh, well, I have all that

paperwork, that stack. I guess, I did that back in,

that was like eight years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I'm just talking

about classes and stuff.

MR. STOVALL: Yeah, I did all those classes. I

did it all. I complied with all my -- I complied with

the courts.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you married now?

MR. STOVALL: I'm not married, but I've been

with my girlfriend 10 years. I have a daughter.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is she in the audience?

MR. STOVALL: No, she's in the car waiting.

She didn't want to come up.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That might be abuse.

MR. STOVALL: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. I'm just

trying to figure out. Because that's some serious

charges, you know, and it sounds like some anger issues

and stuff. But there's been some time and distance in

it, so.

MR. STOVALL: I've been clean since I had the

trouble. I know how to control my anger. I'm older

now, mature. And I know how to control myself. I've

been at the club for three years, and I haven't gotten

no issues over there with anybody. I know how to talk

to people now. And they like the way that -- I won an

award at Gold Spike. I got the golden award for my --

the way I speak to people and how I take care of the

actions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I'm good.


questions?

I'll entertain a motion.


Nixon. I move that we overturn Mr. Jerry Stovall's

denial of the guard card.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Or grant the appeal.

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we overturn Mr. Jerry Stovall's denial.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And approve his guard card

license.

MR. STOVALL: Thank you.





Seeing no further discussion, I'll call for a vote on

the granting the appeal. All those in favor, say "aye."



All right. Good luck to you.

MR. STOVALL: Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where are we?

MR. INGRAM: 56.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Larry Salcido?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I think so.


Mr. Salido. Salcido.

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Salcido.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There we go. My

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Verumen-Salcido.

Good afternoon, sir. Do you realize you're

under oath?

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Yes.


Ms. Donald.

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. In 2001, he

was charged with discharging a firearm. The disposition

was time served. We aren't sure if it's a felony or a

misdemeanor. He did disclose it. That was the reason

for the denial.

In 2002, disturbing the peace, time served. He

disclosed.

In 2006, grand theft auto, convicted of a

felony, time served. He was released from prison in

2009.

These were all out of California. I had

previously written that we did not have his fingerprint

results. All arrests listed are based on what he wrote

on the application. His fingerprints were rejected by

the FBI. He had to get them redone. So we just

received back in our office that he had a name check,

and everything came back negative. So we don't -- this

is what they came back with. We don't know what his

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negative. But we still upheld the denial based on what

he wrote on his application, because it could be an

error.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So his

fingerprints were rejected. He redid his fingerprints.

MS. DONALD: Right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And they still

couldn't find anything. And, but they did a name check.

MS. DONALD: They did a name check. The state

and the FBI did a name check, and they said it was a

negative response on both.


MS. DONALD: So.


for employment?

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Right now, I'm working

across the street at the store, the Stateside Express.

I've been there for the past two years now, since I've

been here in Las Vegas. And when I do my side jobs, I

still do auto body and paint.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Paint?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Calluses?

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Everything.

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down your fingerprints.

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Yes. My hands are real

rough.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. Yeah,

that's what I was looking for. You answered my

question.



obviously, you're an honest person. We appreciate that,

because we wouldn't know any of this. And it's been

quite a while since you've been in trouble. Why don't

you -- well, we're really concerned always about weapons

and firearms. So tell us about the discharging a

firearm. And I do know that it's almost 20 years ago,

but.

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: At the time, I was

younger. When my dad was alive, he had put us into body

work and paint, basically restoring classic cars. I

still do it now. And every brother had a job. My job

was to do a lot of body work, paint, buffing them out,

putting them back together. So each brother had a task.

As time went on -- we lived in a bad area. And

the area that we lived in, they tried to rob us several

times. And where I lived, I had found a gun in the

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neighborhood, from guns, needles. You name it, you'll

find it. Car stereos, beepers, old cell phones,

anything.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We believe you.

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: And, you know, I just got

curious at the time, and I just picked it up. And it

was loaded and everything, ready to go. It was a

revolver. And I ended up keeping it. I didn't tell

nobody about it.

And I stayed late at home. Everybody was gone.

And I was tired, just got through working on a car. And

it wasn't even my car. It was a customer car, had a

stereo system, big system in it, sponsor decals all over

it. And in the area, they just jumped up, and they just

started going to town, breaking the windows, taking

whatever out of the car. I was by myself. And I took

it into consideration and just started shooting at them.

I was real young at the time. When the cops came, you

know, they pretty much did their job. I gave them the

weapon. And I was honest with them. They got the call.

After all that was said and done, I did my

time. And I learned a lot from it. I learned a lot

from all the mistakes that I made when I was younger up

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mom. I'm just trying to pursue a better opportunity for

the future. So if my mom goes, I can leave something

great behind, you know, be a part of the community

again, learn to deal with different types of people,

homeless. It takes a real man to make changes without

even using a gun. Sometimes it's just a little time,

you know.

And that's what I hope to get out of getting my

guard card, opportunity to work here and be a part of

this whole community. Because Vegas is growing. People

from California are coming. I got opportunities already

at the stadium. I got opportunity at Jerry's Nugget. I

just need a guard card. And I'm hoping, you know, with

good faith, that I get the opportunity to go for this

change.


appreciate your sincerity.

Any other questions?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How long have you

resided in Las Vegas?

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: I've been here so far two

years. And in the past, I've been out here for super

shows, with the car shows, car clubs, restoring vehicles

for personal collectors out here, buying, selling and

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here now. And I just, you know, want to give in more

years to come, hopefully.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where are you employed?

MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: At Stateside Express,

right across the street, the 905, where Sinclair is.

I'm still there now.



other questions?

All right. I'll make a motion. Based on time,

distance and the sincerity of the individual, and the

fact that he was extremely honest, because we wouldn't

have known about it, I'd like to grant his appeal.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second. Okay.


have a motion. We have a second. I don't feel there's

any further discussion. All those in favor, say "aye."



Okay. The motion carries.


MR. VERUMEN-SALCIDO: Thank you.


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Mr. or Ms. Dollar.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You don't have to.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We'll

trail this one. I don't get too many machine gun cases.

I wanted to hear this one.

All right. Mr. Dunlap. Good afternoon. Have

you been sworn in?

MR. DUNLAP: Yes, I have.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: Investigator Saladino. The

applicant listed a 2010 possession of a dangerous

weapon, which was a switchblade, out of California.

This was a misdemeanor offense. He was found guilty,

served three years probation. The applicant listed the

arrest and conviction and was aware of the appeal

process at time of the application. And that's why

we're here today.


What's your side, what happened?

MR. DUNLAP: Well, it was I was riding in my

parents' car. And my parents had a knife in the car.

And I wasn't supposed to be driving at the time. So

that's how the -- I ended up getting pulled over. And

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like saying it was mine. And I got stopped in front of

my parents' house. So they all came outside and tried

to tell the officer, you know, "That's my knife," and

stuff like that. But they just said I was driving so I

was responsible for the knife.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I was hoping

you'd say you took the charge for your mom.

MR. DUNLAP: I took both.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You ended up did.

MR. DUNLAP: I end up did, yeah.



MR. DUNLAP: I lived in Las Vegas about four

years now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And what

do you do for a living?

MR. DUNLAP: I work landscape.


MR. DUNLAP: Yeah, I do landscape. I actually

work from 6:00 in the morning to 5:00 o'clock in the

evening, in the heat all day. So I'm just looking for a

better opportunity. So maybe I could work indoors or

something like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Appreciate that.

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MR. DUNLAP: Yes, I have family. I have three

kids out here, have a brother, a cousin. And they all

live in Vegas.




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I'm good.


entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm make the motion.

Okay. For Mr. Dunlap, I'll make a motion to grant the

appeal for -- Keoudon ("Kee-eh-don")?

MR. DUNLAP: Keoudon ("Kee-don").

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Keoudon

Dunlap applied for a registration and was denied. I'd

grant the motion, I mean grant whatever.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. We have a

motion. Do we have a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I don't

think there's any further discussion. All in favor of

granting the appeal, say "aye."



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MR. DUNLAP: Okay. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a great

day.

Mr. Estifaee, Kamran Estifaee.

Mr. Estifaee, how are you, sir?

MR. ESTIFAEE: Very good, thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have you been

before the Board before?

MR. ESTIFAEE: No.



MR. ESTIFAEE: Yes.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: The applicant was denied for a

felony charge that ended up being reduced down through

1203.4 to annoying or molesting a child. This was in

2002 out of California. The applicant did disclose the

arrest on his application. He also provided court

documents showing the felony charge had been reduced

under 1203.4, and provided a letter from the Nevada

Department of Public Safety showing that he has met the

required 15 years of registry in Nevada. And this was

the only arrest for the applicant.

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register?

MR. SALADINO: Not anymore. And he provided

that letter, and it's -- we have that.


Mr. Estifaee, what was the circumstances on that charge

in 2002? And you're going to need to lean into the

microphone.

MR. ESTIFAEE: One page, can I read it, the one

page, or?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: If you want to

bring it up here, so he doesn't have to read it. I can

read it over real quick and share it with the Board. It

might take a while.

That's your statement about what happened?

MR. ESTIFAEE: Yes, sir.


lived in Las Vegas?

MR. ESTIFAEE: About 20, 21 years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what have you

been doing for an occupation?

MR. ESTIFAEE: I am working at two different

places. One is part of the -- it is a complex building,

about 400, building, that to be maintenance. And the

second one is with this commercial reality. I've been

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shops, and evict them if they don't pay it, something

like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why do you

want to go into security work?

MR. ESTIFAEE: My boss says get this license

and open that business for security of the shopping

center when it, you know -- and you try it out there.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't

understand. Try me again.

MR. ESTIFAEE: My boss told me to go get this

license and open your own business to take care of my

business in the shopping center. It is a big shopping

center that I work right now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.

MR. ESTIFAEE: They need the security at

nighttime or during the day that take care of the shops.


maybe somebody from the Board can help me out. I mean

you get a guard card, it doesn't mean you can open up

your open business.

MR. ESTIFAEE: I know. But after that, I can

get my own business. I asked the --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Kevin, do you

want to jump in?

MR. INGRAM: What you applied for is a



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registered work card.

MR. ESTIFAEE: Yes.

MR. INGRAM: And a registered work card is only

good for you to work for a licensed employer. A

registered work card is not a license. It does not

allow you to provide security services.

MR. ESTIFAEE: Okay.

MR. INGRAM: So what you would have to apply

for to do what you're explaining you would like to do,

you would have to apply for a license with us, not a


MR. ESTIFAEE: No, they said, first of all, you

have to get that card, and then you have to apply for

this one that you are talking about.

MR. INGRAM: That's not correct. To apply for

a license, you apply directly for a license. You have

applied for a registered work card.

MR. ESTIFAEE: What is this license? What is

this license you say?

MR. INGRAM: This is not a license. It's a


MR. ESTIFAEE: A work card.

MR. INGRAM: And a work card only allows you to

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MR. ESTIFAEE: So I'd have to work for a

security company?

MR. INGRAM: You would have to be employed by a

security company if your registered work card is

granted.

MR. ESTIFAEE: Okay.

MR. INGRAM: Okay. Because if you do it on

your own, that's considered unlicensed activity, and

that carries some pretty hefty fines.

MR. ESTIFAEE: Okay.


questions of the Board?

All right. I will entertain a motion.

I will entertain a motion, second calling.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'm going to

just uphold, I'm going to make a motion to uphold the

denial for Mr. Kamran Estifaee, who applied for

registration and was denied.


motion to uphold the denial.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a second.


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Okay. The motion is denied.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You might want to...

(There was a momentary discussion off the

record.)


you. You have a good day.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Sir, maybe it would be

a good idea that you contact the PILB Board, I mean

Board, the PILB office, talk to the investigator and try

and get this all straightened out for what you want to

do, so you do it right, correctly. Because, I think,

you're still a little bit not understanding. And I

don't want to -- you know, that's what you have to do,

just talk to these guys.

MR. ESTIFAEE: I did.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, no, you -- sir,

it's not for discussion. I'm trying give you direction.

Okay? This way, you get some good direction. And then

you can come back in three months and see about that, or

whatever.


done. Sir, we're done.

MR. ESTIFAEE: Okay.




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day.

Okay. Number 60, Marcus Ettress ("Eh-tres").

Did I pronounce your last name correctly?

MR. ETTRESS: It is Ettress ("Et-res").

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Ettress. Okay.

Do you know you're under oath?

MR. ETTRESS: Yes.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: The applicant was denied. In

2018, there was a home invasion, conspiracy to commit

home invasion at a felony level, ended up being reduced

to a misdemeanor trespass not amounting to burglary.

The applicant listed the arrest, paid a fine, completed

community service, impulse control classes.

2015, there was a domestic battery charge, a

misdemeanor. He was found guilty. He did list it on

his application. He received six months probation, a

fine and counseling.

2014, out of California, carrying a loaded

firearm in public. This was a misdemeanor. He was

found guilty. He listed it and was aware that he would

be denied. He received three years probation for that.


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MR. ETTRESS: About four years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What are you

doing now, or are living, occupation?

MR. ETTRESS: Occupation or living?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What?

MR. ETTRESS: You said living or occupation?


doing for an occupation, for a job?

MR. ETTRESS: Monday, I just started working at

a Rebel gas station.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What did you do

before that?

MR. ETTRESS: I was jumping around doing temp

work.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So you

were arrested less than a year and a half ago for a home

invasion.

MR. ETTRESS: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why don't you

explain what happened on that one.

MR. ETTRESS: It was, basically, just a drunken

disagreement that got -- that went too far.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And if I

was to ask the victim what happened, what would they

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MR. ETTRESS: I'm pretty sure they'd say the

same thing seeing how they're the ones who initiated the

altercation.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So you

don't take responsibility --

MR. ETTRESS: Oh, most definitely, I do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What about the

domestic battery in 2015, what happened there?

MR. ETTRESS: That was between me and my big

brother. He was drunk, and he wouldn't leave me alone

and was arguing. The neighbors called the cops, saying

somebody was trying to come into my house. And then he

showed up with a bunch of cops. And I ended up telling

them like the only thing that went physical was I pushed

him out of my face. And they charged me with battery.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And then carrying

a loaded firearm in public?

MR. ETTRESS: I was at my aunt's house and so

for my cousin's birthday party. His friend ran with a

gun. They arrested me instead. And I have paperwork

saying that fingerprints were lifted from the gun, and

they weren't mine. That's why it was reduced down to a

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Estes. Ettress.

Okay. I'm sorry. But carrying a loaded firearm in

public, it says you were found guilty.

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah, I took a deal. And then

about six, seven months later, I went back to appeal it.

And I have the motion to reduce.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And what happened if

you appealed it?

MR. ETTRESS: It was reduced.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It was just reduced,

but it wasn't expunged or anything?

MR. ETTRESS: No, I have to pay 250 and go back

and expunge it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Do you live with

your brother now?

MR. ETTRESS: No, I live with my mother.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Does your

brother live with your mother?

MR. ETTRESS: No, he never did. He was just

over there.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So I see. All

right. And the home invasion happened at whose home?

MR. ETTRESS: Home in the neighborhood

apartments.

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MR. ETTRESS: Yeah, like I don't really want to

say it was too much racial, but it was like a drunken

white female, and then she kept antagonizing me, you

know, and I responded.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How did you respond?

MR. ETTRESS: Like I was arguing back. But

then, when people heard my voice, they came running to

my defense. And another female began a physical

altercation with her. And then the cops came.

Everybody dispersed. Nobody was arrested. But then

they kept talking, and they went in the house. And then

we went back over there, and they were still talking

through the window again. I just kicked the door in.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. You kicked the

door in. That's why. I mean home invasion, and you got

arrested for that, but it was reduced.

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm okay with that,

too. But trespassing, which means you had a trespass.

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There was a whole lot

of stuff involved in there. And this was only less than

a year and a half ago.

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah. But since then, I haven't

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for the sentencing and everything for all charges.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What do you plan on

doing if you received a work card?

MR. ETTRESS: Well, my cousin has made a career

out of doing security out here, and he's pretty much

guaranteed me positions over the weekend for when I'm

not in CSM.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And where does your

cousin work?

MR. ETTRESS: Honestly, I'm not really sure if

he works for multiple companies, but I know he works for

Five Star VIP doing bodyguard work.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And you've

completed some classes, correct?

MR. ETTRESS: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What classes have you

completed?

MR. ETTRESS: Impulse control class.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: When was that?

MR. ETTRESS: Just you want the exact month,

or?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Give me an idea. Was

it last year, or the last two years, the last three

years?

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assault, it was within the last year. And then the

battery was about two or three years ago.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay, sir. Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I'm the non-law

enforcement person here. I'm not sure I understand the

gun issue. It was, he was convicted of it, but it

wasn't his fingerprints?

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah.

MR. SALADINO: So according to the fingerprint

report, the charge is a misdemeanor for carrying a

loaded firearm in public.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: But he was not the one

arrested with the weapon in this?

MR. SALADINO: No, he was arrested.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: He was. Okay.

MR. ETTRESS: It was wrong. And they only

arrested me because I wasn't wearing a shirt, and the

person who ran wasn't wearing a shirt.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Wasn't wearing a shirt?

MR. ETTRESS: Yeah. Back at the police

station, I heard them talking amongst each other, and

they said, "Sure it's him. He's not wearing a shirt."


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where did they find the

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MR. ETTRESS: In a neighboring yard.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh. It's getting

different. Okay. No problem. I understand.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So was the other person

not wearing a shirt arrested as well?

MR. ETTRESS: No.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. Okay.



other questions?

All right. I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Sorry. One last question.

Time and distance from all of this?

MR. SALADINO: One year and a half.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Year and a half?

MR. SALADINO: Yeah, 2018. May 2nd of 2018 was

the home invasion that was reduced to a misdemeanor.

MR. ETTRESS: One month, or one year four

months, three years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Two years prior to

that, and three years prior to that was the domestic

battery.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And one year prior to

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okay. I'll make a motion. I make a motion to deny the

appeal of Marcus Ettress, applied for the registration,

was denied.


motion. Do we have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second, due to time and

distance.


motion, a second. I don't feel there's any other

discussion. All those in favor of upholding the denial,

say "aye."



Okay. Try not to get in trouble for a couple

years.

MR. ETTRESS: How many is a couple?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: A couple?

Like --

MR. ETTRESS: Two, or more, or what?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Try two years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Forever.

MR. ETTRESS: No, I'm saying --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, yeah. I

mean, A, we don't have time and distance. Home

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anger issue.

MR. ETTRESS: About the --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hear me out. You

want to work in security. Sometimes you got to hold

your pride.

MR. ETTRESS: I did security before, and I --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I understand

that. But I'm saying that we're not going to give you a

card when you've been arrested a year and a half ago on

a felony. We haven't done that to anybody.

MR. ETTRESS: It wasn't a felony.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You were arrested

on a felony. It was reduced to a misdemeanor.

MR. ETTRESS: All right. Thank you.


day.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Ettress,

understand, we're not judging you. We're judging your

actions in the last year and a half. That's what it is,

is the actions.

MR. ETTRESS: But how soon before I can come

back?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can apply

within a year.

MR. ETTRESS: Okay.



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Mr. Gatlin.

Do you understand you're under oath, sir?

MR. GATLIN: Yes.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: All right. The applicant was

denied for a January 25th, 2019 felony arrest for

burglary, grand larceny, buy or possess or receive

stolen property. He was found guilty of the lesser as a

misdemeanor. The applicant did not list this arrest.

Received a suspended jail sentence, paid restitutions

for both the victims, stay away from apartments. I

don't know how to say the name of the apartments. The

applicant is due for a status check on October 30th of

2019 for that particular case.

2016, out of Nevada, possession of a

Schedule 1, 2 or 3 controlled substance, felony. That

was dismissed. It was also not listed.

2016, DUI, misdemeanor, found guilty. This one

was disclosed. Received a suspended jail sentence and

victim impact panel.

January of 2016, battery charge out of Nevada,

a misdemeanor. He was found guilty. He did not list

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control counseling and community service.

2010, possession of a felony meth and

possession of marijuana with intent to sell at the

felony level. He pled to the lesser charge, found

guilty. This was not listed. The court records show

that through negotiations the charge was pled down, and

sentenced to time served.

April of 2006, in Nevada, embezzlement or

attempt for embezzlement, gross misdemeanor, found

guilty. This was not listed. Sentenced to 12 months in

jail, suspended, two years probation with conditions,

counseling, program and restitution.

1998, California, battery. It was a

misdemeanor. Found guilty. Not listed, found on the

fingerprint report. 36 months probation.

2000, in California, DUI, misdemeanor, found

guilty. Not listed, found on the fingerprint report.

Received another 36 months probation.

2004, California, grand theft, battery on a

spouse, battery on a PO or emergency personnel,

obstruction, misdemeanor, found guilty of the

obstruction. This was not listed, found on the

fingerprint report. Received 12 months probation, three

days in jail, a fine, restitution and suspended jail

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The applicant listed the DUI arrest and failed

to list any other arrests. Also noted... And that's

it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We're talking

about, you, right?

MR. GATLIN: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Why do you

even want to work in security?

MR. GATLIN: I did security for five years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I couldn't

understand a word you said.

MR. GATLIN: I worked security for five years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. Why do

you want to work in security now?

MR. GATLIN: Because that's my field, I think,

and so I'm trying to go back to it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And why

didn't you list even your most recent arrest in January?

MR. GATLIN: Well, because when that occurred,

I didn't do that. It was Moore.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Whether you did

it or didn't do it, you were arrested, you were

convicted, you're on paper, you're on probation for it.

MR. GATLIN: Yeah. I just got on probation

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and that wasn't -- before I had to put that on there, I

was already, I think, I was doing for the security

place. So that wasn't -- I know it was on there now.

And I received -- after that, I lost my ID, last year on

my son's birthday. I don't steal. I don't. It was up

to me. Because I was working. I got pulled over. And

they said I had a warrant. And I was like, "For what?"

It was like burglary. I was like, "You got the wrong

person."

So I was planning the case and all that. So he

wound up telling me to plead guilty. And I was doing it

because my son was on the way to the service and all

that, trying to get out of state. I was on house arrest

and stuff like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm done. I'm

done. Thank you. Appreciate your response.





will entertain a motion.


Nixon. I move that we uphold the denial of Carmen --

MR. GATLIN: Damion.

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Damion Gatlin.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: We got the same

disease.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.


further discussion?

All in favor of upholding the denial, say

"aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My opposed?

Mr. Gatlin, you need to figure this out with

your attorney and your probation. Because, obviously,

what we have on you and your report is completely

different than what you're telling us. I'm more

concerned with the fact that you didn't disclose that,

as well as many other arrests. You can reapply for us

in a year. I would suggest that you list every one of

your charges at that time.

MR. GATLIN: Okay. Sir, I've been arrested a

lot. So I couldn't really just remember the years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You didn't even

disclose your arrest in January.

MR. GATLIN: Okay. In January --

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voted on it.

MR. GATLIN: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. You

have a good day, sir.

MR. GATLIN: Yeah, you, too.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Kristina

Gomez. Kristina Gomez?

Okay. We will trail that.

Malik Hardy.

Good afternoon, sir.

MR. HARDY: Good afternoon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you realize

you're under oath?

MR. HARDY: Yes, sir.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: This applicant was denied for 12

juvenile arrests, starting in 2009 and ending in 2015.

The arrests range from battery, burglary, failure to

obey court orders, vandalism, and sexual battery. With

the applicant's history and having his first adult

arrest in 2016, the applicant was denied for these.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. How old

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 22. Tell me your

side, why don't you explain.

MR. HARDY: Well, none of my cases -- I think,

I was all under 16 on all of them. So I was real young.

My first case was assault with a deadly weapon. I was

11 years old. I was inside of the Yoshinoya with all my

friends from school, from middle school. The store

clerk tried to kick me out of the store. So I pulled

out a knife and told him I wasn't going to leave. So I

was put on probation.

And then, basically, every other case from

there, it stems from just violating probation or doing

stuff while I was on probation and getting violated for

it.


lived in Las Vegas?

MR. HARDY: Since I was 18, so four years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What

brought you here?

MR. HARDY: I was having a child. So I just

wanted to get out of California and get away from the

problems there.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you currently

employed?

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International, and I'm a fourth-time college student.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And a what?

MR. HARDY: Fourth-time college student.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Why didn't you disclose

the domestic battery that's your adult arrest?

MR. HARDY: Okay. So before I went to go get

my guard card, I had went down to some police stations

and asked them. Because I was told by people, because

all my stuff is from the juvenile, that if I got like

for a guard card, that that stuff, like the juvenile

record doesn't carry on to your adult record. So when I

called the police station, I had them look my name up,

and they said I have nothing on my record. But it's

because, I guess, it was because it's in Nevada, and all

cases were in California.

So when I went, I didn't know that any of that

was on my record. I thought it was expunged already

because I was 18. I didn't know that I had to

physically go to California and appeal to get it

expunged.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So the arrest in 2016 was

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go to court for that. We were, me and my girlfriend

were arguing in a house. And one of my neighbors called

the police and said that we were fighting. When my

girlfriend got there, we both told them that we weren't

fighting. I got arrested for maybe not even a whole

day. And I was released. I never went to court. The

case was thrown out. The D.A. never picked up the case.

They said it was a D.A. reject.

So I didn't think that would be on my record,

either. That's why I didn't tell.



questions?

All right. I'll entertain a motion.


move that we uphold the denial of Malik Hardy due to

nondisclosing of the arrest.



motion. I have a second. Any discussion?

I do have one question for the investigator.

Was this on an FBI report, the juvenile arrests?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, they were.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And just for the

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delinquency or what we would call a "chinza" offense,

which we would never hear about. You were arrested for

crimes. Like sexual battery, that stays with you no

matter what age you are.

MR. HARDY: Yeah, but I wasn't aware of that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You are aware

now.

MR. HARDY: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm making you

aware. All right. Because whoever gave you the

information before gave you bad information.

All right. We have a motion. We have a

second. All right. I'll call for a vote. All those in

favor of upholding the denial, say "aye."



Okay. You can come back in a year and reapply.

I would suggest that you be honest on your application.

Have a good day. Thank you.

MR. HARDY: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Mr. Hayes, Jason

Hayes.

All right. We will trail that.

Gene Hobdy withdrew. Or postponed. I got

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Larry Phillips, number 66. Mr. Phillips.

Good afternoon, sir.

MR. PHILLIPS: Hello. My name is Larry James

Phillips.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Pleased to meet

you. Do you understand you're under oath?

MR. PHILLIPS: Yes. Yes, I do.


Mr. Saladino.


1990, out of Nevada, unlawful possession of a controlled

substance at a felony level, where he was found guilty.

The applicant was found guilty of a felony. He

disclosed the arrest and provided court documents to

show that he was honorably discharged from probation on

August 2nd of 1993.

1992, out of Nevada, possession of a dangerous

drug without a prescription. He was found guilty of a

gross misdemeanor. He was sentenced to probation, which

was revoked, and he served one year with credit for 33

days.

1989, or '98, in Nevada, domestic battery. He

was found guilty, and he was sentenced to domestic

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that's why we're here today.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good afternoon.

MR. PHILLIPS: Good afternoon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We were all a

little crazy 20 or 30 years ago, weren't we?

MR. PHILLIPS: Yeah. I had some bad times and

some good times, but.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate your

honesty.

MR. PHILLIPS: I went to the classes. And I

went to the Salvation Army for nine months pertaining to

all that. And I had to do a class with the LRS system

for domestic violence. And I completed that.


MR. PHILLIPS: So.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, I

appreciate your remembering. I'm dealing with people

today that can't remember something that happened nine

months ago.

MR. PHILLIPS: So I've been dealing with, this

trying to get a job. So I'm kind --


doing right now, sir?

MR. PHILLIPS: I've been retired since the

Riviera closed in 2015.



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MR. PHILLIPS: I was a floor person, a dealer,

for 40 years just about.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Wow. Good for

you.

MR. PHILLIPS: Yeah.


MR. PHILLIPS: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have any

further questions. I think, it's going to be an easy

one. Thank you for your time.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, wait a minute. I'm

here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a

driver's license?

MR. PHILLIPS: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What state? What

state?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It was a joke

from this morning.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.

MR. PHILLIPS: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm making fun of

my partner.



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MR. PHILLIPS: I was here this morning, also.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, you might have to

sit back there for awhile until I make up my mind.

Mr. Phillips, correct?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: My name is Commissioner

Gronauer. I'll make a motion to grant the appeal of

Larry Phillips, who applied for registration, was denied

prior.



motion. I have a second. And there's no further

discussion. All those in favor of granting the appeal,

say "aye."



Congratulations, sir.

MR. PHILLIPS: Thank you very much, panel, very

much. It is very interesting being here all day.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, it is.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We're meeting

again tomorrow.

MR. PHILLIPS: I could show up.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have my

personal invite.



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Okay. Number 67, Richard Thomas.

Good morning.

MR. THOMAS: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's a white

collar criminal.

MR. THOMAS: Yeah, you don't see that too

often.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You don't see too

many. Yeah, I got this, yeah. Okay. Mr. Saladino.


2004 uttering or publishing, intent to pass false title,

which was a felony in Michigan. He was found guilty.

This is a typo on the report, because this was listed.

And he did list the arrest. And got one to five years

suspended with three years probation.


have you lived in Las Vegas?

MR. THOMAS: Six years.


for a living?

MR. THOMAS: Right now, well, right now -- I

was working as a guard. But in the last month and a

half, I haven't really been working. I just find odd

jobs, temp services right now for Odyssey and Eastridge.

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working as a guard for five and a half years in

Las Vegas?

MR. THOMAS: No, not five and a half years.

Just a few months. Because I had my provisionary since

April, and I was working.


did you --

MR. THOMAS: Before that, I was a stay-at-home

dad, and my wife worked.


good for you. I'm dying to know this story. Tell us

about the false title. We don't get many of these.

MR. THOMAS: Bad check back in where -- where

I'm from, that was a thing. I just started having

children, and I needed quick money. People was printing

checks, and they say, "Hey, put in your name. Just go

ahead and take it to the liquor store, and you knock it

on out." And that's what I did.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, it's a check.

MR. THOMAS: Yes, a bad check.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We call it

something different here.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: False title? Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, all right.

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the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You're married now?

MR. THOMAS: Yes. I have been married for 12

years, and I have 13 children.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Ooh.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Oh, sheez.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How many? How

many? You got a record. They didn't hear you up north.

MR. THOMAS: 13.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 13. God bless

you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You got 13 by this lady

back here?

MR. THOMAS: No, I have seven, I have seven by

her.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: She's standing by you.

That says a lot.

MR. THOMAS: I have two children, four

step-children and seven biological.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's nice. She's

standing by you, Mr. Thomas. And, I think, that says a

lot.

MR. THOMAS: We've been married 12 long years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're doing

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How many more children

in the future?

MR. THOMAS: None. I'm done, you know. The

last one better be Jesus, 'cause I'm done.


call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.

Let me see. For Richard Thomas, correct?

MR. THOMAS: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. That we

overturn the denial. I make a motion that we overturn

the denial for Mr. Thomas, who applied for registration

and was denied.



motion to uphold the -- no, to overturn the denial.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Right.


second. No further discussion. All in favor, say

"aye."



All right. The motion is approved.

Congratulations, sir.

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MR. THOMAS: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Get working.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. 13 kids.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're making

Commissioner Nixon --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Hot, 13 kids, whew.


Mr. Toy. Mr. Toy?

We will trail that.

Mr. Jackson. Yes, Tyree Jackson. Thanks for

sticking around. Mr. Jackson, you understand you're

under oath?

MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir.


Mr. Saladino, talk to me, or us, please.

MR. SALADINO: Yes. The applicant was denied

for a 2009 battery with substantial bodily harm,

domestic violence, out of Nevada. It was a felony. He

was found guilty. The applicant disclosed this arrest,

served five years probation and completed the DV course.


Mr. Jackson, how long have you lived in Las Vegas?

MR. JACKSON: All my life. Can you hear me?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Now I can.

MR. JACKSON: Okay.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have to make

sure they hear you up north.

MR. JACKSON: Okay. Okay. Cool. All my life.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And what

do you do for employment right now?

MR. JACKSON: Right now, I'm just doing little

temporary agencies. I'm working with this company

called Millennium Staffing, and just trying to get

stable work right now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What's the

longest job you've had?

MR. JACKSON: The longest job I've had, I

worked unarmed security at the Sands Expo.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And how

long were you there?

MR. JACKSON: I think, about like four or five

years, like four or five years, something like that.


haven't been in trouble since '09?

MR. JACKSON: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who was the

victim of the domestic violence?

MR. JACKSON: My child's mother.


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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.

MR. JACKSON: Oh, oh.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, yes, you can.

MR. JACKSON: Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: As long as you

don't take too long to elaborate.

MR. JACKSON: Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

Long story short, I was going through a lot in my life.

My dad passed. I know that's not an excuse. But I just

felt like kind of like the ends of the world, like just

felt like my world was coming crumbling. And I started

experimenting with drugs and stuff like that.

And we got into an argument about something,

and, you know, I just, just -- I can't even explain it.

It was just -- but I was just high and committed the

crime. And I feel, I still, we still, we're caring, but

I still let her know that I really feel bad. I really

feel bad, a lot of remorse for what I did. I just feel

like nobody deserves that. You know, if I'm going

through problems, I shouldn't take it out on nobody

else, even if we get into an argument. Or stuff should

never turn physical, basically.

And ever since I've been out... I don't know

if somebody can come and grab this or I give this to

you.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why don't you

explain what you have.

MR. JACKSON: Addiction and prevention classes,

anger management. These are all of the certificates

trying to better myself and trying to learn new tactics.

If, you know, somebody get in your face, you don't

always have to fight, walk away, you know, try to be --

you know, basically, deescalate stuff. But everything

doesn't always have to be a fight or --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You're too close.

MR. JACKSON: Oh, oh. Oh.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're okay.

You're the first one we had that happen. Don't worry

about it.

MR. JACKSON: Oh. Basically --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My question to

you, these classes you did on your own, or you were

court-ordered?

MR. JACKSON: Court-ordered.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. But you

completed them all.

MR. JACKSON: And then, when I got out, I was

with this program called Hope of Prisoners. And they

had anger management, substance abuse. You can't go

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So I did that, too.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My church is a

partner with them. I'm familiar with it.

MR. JACKSON: Okay.


you. I appreciate it. It's all right. I appreciate

your comments.

MR. JACKSON: One more thing.


MR. JACKSON: Before, before I committed that

crime, I used to work for a company called Pro-Tect

Security for like -- I don't know if you guys got it on

in your papers, but you have got everything, but I used

to work with them for two whole years, Pro-Tect

Security. And so I know how to, I know all about

security.

The only reason why I lost the job is because I

got this felony. And it was like, well, you can't have

a felony. You got to wait a couple years. And unless

you were unarmed security. And then that's pretty much

what I've been doing, working unarmed security. And

that's pretty much it.


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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. When was the

last time you took one of the classes, when was the last

time, with Hope for the Prisoners or anything, how long

ago?

MR. JACKSON: Two thousand -- can I look at

this?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sure.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You can look at

anything you want, sir. You can just give me a

guesstimate.

MR. JACKSON: Two thousand -- the whole year,

like two thousand like 13.


MR. JACKSON: And before that, when I was --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's good.

MR. JACKSON: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's good. What do

you plan on doing if you get a work card?

MR. JACKSON: Just basically have stable work.

Just basically get a job, of course, keep it as long as

I can, take care of my family, stay out of trouble, like

I have been staying out of the trouble. And just

basically just, you know, live my life, live my life and

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seven years, just staying out of the trouble, no traffic

tickets, no jaywalking tickets, no nothing. Just trying

my best just to stay clean.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: From what I see,

Mr. Jackson, just your presentation and as to your

demeanor, it seems like these classes worked for you.

It seems like you really did learn, and you're on the

right track. That's what it appears to me. Okay. As

far as working armed security, I don't know, but.

MR. JACKSON: I don't want to work armed

security.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, like I say, with

DV, they're probably not going to allow you, let you

have it, you know. Just so you know, that's the law.

MR. JACKSON: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You know, it takes a

lot more to get over that. All right. But no problem,

just so you understand that. Okay?

MR. JACKSON: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. I have no

more questions, Chairman.


other questions?

Call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Doing it?



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move that we over -- or that we grant the appeal for

Tyree Jackson and allow him the guard card.


Do I have a second?



have a motion. I have a second. I don't think there's

any more discussion. Call for a vote. All those in

favor of granting the appeal, say "aye."



Congratulations.

MR. JACKSON: I have a quick question.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't know, it

may change my mind.

MR. JACKSON: No, no, it's something good.

It's something good.


MR. JACKSON: It's something good. I did an

application for Fremont Experience Security, and they

told me -- what's that, what's that called? Intent to

hire, if I get the guard card. So when you guys give me

whatever paper, can I just take that to them, or?

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investigator, Saladino. Maybe Mr. Saladino can answer

that question.

MR. JACKSON: Talk to this guy in the glasses?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, not him.

MR. JACKSON: Well, I don't know. There's two

guys over there.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Did he talk to

you? Okay.

MR. JACKSON: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And he's not

talking to anybody else.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Talk to some guy

downstairs.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, we'll work

with you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Congratulations.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Best of luck to

you.

MR. JACKSON: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: All right.

Mr. Eta, Vincent Eta, E-T-A?

All right. I'm going to call at the trails one

more time. And then we'll do a block.

So the first one, 46, Wayne Byrd. Is Mr. Wayne

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Number 53, Willie Edwards. Is Mr. Willie

Edwards here? Nope.

Trenses Love, number 54. Mr. Trenses Love?

No.

Larry -- no. I'm sorry. Hephzibah Dollar. Is

Hephzibah Dollar here? No.

And then Kristina Gomez, number 62?

Jason Hayes, number 64?

Timothy Toy, 68?

Tyree Jackson, 69?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: We just had him.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, we just had

him. My apologies. All right.

And then Vincent Eta?

All right. So I propose a motion as a block

vote to deny the appeals on number 46, Wayne Byrd; 53,

Willie Edwards; 54, Trenses Love; 57, Mr. Dollar; 64,

Jason Hayes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: 62, also. I believe,

we trailed that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, 62,

Kristina Gomez. Thank you. 68, Timothy Toy. And

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motion. We have a second. No discussion. All in favor

of the motion, say "aye."



Okay. Motion carried.

What else have we got to do today?

MR. INGRAM: Agenda items 71, 72 and 73 were

all noticed by the legal counsel for their appearance

to start tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m.


MR. INGRAM: So that concludes the agenda for

today.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So that's why they're

not here.

MR. INGRAM: Pardon me?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's all right.


MR. INGRAM: Okay. So, you know, you can move

to adjourn today, and we can reconvene tomorrow at

9:00 a.m.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So,

to your knowledge, are all three of them going to be

here tomorrow?

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whether they will appear. So we have to assume they

will be here.


MR. INGRAM: And which they were noticed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And if they're

not here, and they've been noticed, we can make -- we

can take action even if they're not here?

MR. INGRAM: That's correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. All right.

I will call for adjournment. Oh. Woops. Mike's going

to earn his money. Come on, jump in there.


As far as that last statement, as far as the

ability to take action, that's dependent on the facts

and circumstances as they will come to light tomorrow.

There's always issues that you can't necessarily

foresee.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What I'm

saying, my question was more, do the parties have to be

here for us to take an action?

MR. DETMER: If proper service was provided and

satisfied.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well,

we'll find out. All right.

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form of action can be taken. I just wanted to make sure

there was no misunderstanding as far as the type of

action that can be taken.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We can only take

legal action.

All right. We can only do the right thing.

Okay. All right. I'll call for a motion to

adjourn until 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. We'll be back in...

What?

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer.

We're not going to adjourn the full meeting

until tomorrow. But given that it's put into two

sections, do you have any interest in maybe doing a

public comment just in case?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well the public

might have an interest. But that may be my opinion.

All right. Anybody want public comment?

What? You're looking at me.

MR. SPRIGGS: How are you guys doing?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, you got to push the

button, Mike.

MR. SPRIGGS: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Make sure it's on.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who you are.

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Incorporated. I'm the president of the National Society

of -- Nevada Society of Professional Investigators.

I just have a question on the comment that was

just made by counsel, is if, in fact, proper notice was

given to the last three -- 71, 72, 73, I think, are on

the calendar. I didn't bring it up here. If that's

correct, an action can be taken by the Board in response

to the citations issued or disciplinary action. Is that

correct?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Let me.

My question was, can we -- are we able to do something

if the parties don't show tomorrow? My concern being

because some of these parties might not show. And from

what I understood from legal counsel is we can take

action provided tomorrow that there's testimony given

that they were properly noticed. Okay. That's normally

a receipt of registered mail, discussions between

attorneys, things of that nature. And that's how I

understood his response.

So we can take action tomorrow provided the

parties were properly noticed. We won't know that until

tomorrow.

MR. SPRIGGS: That's the response I wanted to

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It's just my hesitancy to make any kind of

specific statement, because I don't know what, how

service was perfected, if perfected.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. We won't

know that till tomorrow.

MR. DETMER: Therefore, I make no definitive

statement on that.

MR. SPRIGGS: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We got to find

out how they were served tomorrow. We got to come back

tomorrow no matter what. All right.

MR. SPRIGGS: Thank you all.


you.

All right. Anything else?

Going once. That's all I'm going to do.

All right. I'll take a motion for adjournment.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I make a motion for

adjournment.



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We're done. See you all tomorrow, 9:00 a.m.

* * * * *

(The meeting recessed at 1:45 p.m.)

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CARSON CITY, NEVADA, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019,

9:08 A.M.

-oOo-

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good morning. We

are going to start day two of the Private Investigators

Licensing Board.

And, Kevin, why don't you tell us what we're

doing today.

MR. INGRAM: Would you like me to take roll

first?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that would

be a great idea.

MR. INGRAM: Let's do that. So, Board Member

Flynn?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nixon?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Gronauer?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.

MR. INGRAM: So we're going to start with item

number 71 on the agenda. Item number 71 has requested

to be postponed. So with your agreement, we can

postpone that to a December Board meeting.


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postponement, what the status is, so that we're all on

the same page?

MR. INGRAM: Right. Currently, the individual

has his work card suspended, this individual, where we

heard, had the first part of the hearing, and we didn't

get to the final closing. He has agreed to keep his

card suspended. He is in the process of working with

his attorney and myself and our attorney in signing a

payment agreement for the outstanding fines. And at the

direction of the Board, he is also pursuing moving

forward for licensure.

So if we can get an agreement of payment of the

fines, it'll kind of take care of everything that we

were hearing. And then it would come before the Board

for a hearing for licensure.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Anything

else counsel would like to add, or?

All right. I would like to --

MS. BORDELOVE: I will add, and I'll speak into

the mic, is I have no objection to the postponing

request. And I will also note that we did not notice

him for today's meeting because it would need to be

waived, because we figured, if they were going to be

here, he would waiving notice for his counsel, through

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Then,

definitely, it will be agendized on our next meeting

with us, at bare minimum a status check and an update.

All right. Any other questions from the Board

on this one?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do we get apprised as

to what are the negotiations, the ending of the

negotiations, or do we have to make the final decisions,

or?

MS. BORDELOVE: If we were to come to a

settlement regarding the complaint in the matter, which,

since there was a department hearing, was a complaint to

revoke his work card, if a settlement is reached

regarding that complaint, the Board will have to approve

the settlement agreement before it becomes final.

As for payment plans, usually those are

approved by staff in general. If you'd like to be

apprised of what any payment plan is, staff can always

keep you apprised of any final payment plan.

And as for any application for licensure, it'll

go through the same process as any application for

licensure. So you guys will have final approval of the

license as you would call it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you. Just for

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with me. The idea is, what is the negotiated

settlement? That was the thing I was thinking about.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: As of right

now -- correct me if I'm wrong -- there's no negotiated

settlement. There's a fine. They have to pay it.

They're working on the payment plan.

MS. BORDELOVE: Right. The complaint had to do

with -- the complaint in the matter had to do with --

was trying to revoke his work card. That is not -- I

mean, and usually we can't talk the settlement

negotiations and anything to the offense. But if that

were to reach any settlement, the fines are a separate

issue. The individual had five outstanding citations,

two of which have gone to the Controller's Office, three

of which are still at the Board. And those are being

treated as other citations would, because they were not

appealed within the appeals period.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Just a general

question, then, not counting this particular person, but

in general, how many times do we go on postponing,

postponing, postponing?

MS. BORDELOVE: It has to do with whether or

not -- I mean, at this point, because he's in suspension

status, there was no objections from staff or myself to

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time, and he is not using the work card at this time.

So holding off at this point, we didn't have objections

to.

However, if that changes, or we can always run

all the proper notices and schedule a hearing without

agreement from the other individual on a hearing. That

is true with any. As you'll see with the ones here

today, I had no response whether they will show up or

not. But with proper notice, you don't need that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I was just -- and

in general?

MS. BORDELOVE: Yeah, that would be in general.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's what I wanted to

know, how many times we postpone something. It doesn't

go through four different boards or something as time

goes on, you know. And it's just something that I was

just trying to figure it out.

MS. BORDELOVE: There isn't any, there aren't

any statutes necessarily saying that something has to be

heard within a certain amount of time when you have

agreement from the other side. You have one statute --

I forget the exact citation -- regarding when an appeal

is heard. However, it allows the Board to postpone

should they desire to. And in this sense, we're getting

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hear it. So.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I would think

that if we're still outstanding by the next Board

meeting, that, I believe, it will be the intention of

this Board to take it to the next step.

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I don't mind

if you communicate that to his counsel.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And I would consider

that in general for any types of things we have in the

future. So it's not just speaking of one case.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Next.

MR. INGRAM: 72, the next agenda item is item

number 72, Torrey Mitchell, appealing the issuance of

Citation I-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.165.

MS. BORDELOVE: So I can start off here. I was

going to see if anybody -- we call if the individual is

here. Torrey Mitchell it does not appear is here in the

south. Do you have anybody coming forward in the north?

MS. KLEMME: We do not.

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. Well, I will say this is

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originally noticed for the June meeting. However, the

individual requested that it be continued or postponed.

He did not specify when. We renoticed him for this

meeting. However, the postal service did not actually

deliver, we don't have proof that they actually

delivered it.

So we cannot default him at this time. He does

not appear to be here. But we will go ahead and notice

him for the December meeting. And I will probably

notice him much sooner, so that if it doesn't get

delivered, I will have a chance to do it again.


there's no reason to believe that he is continuing with

his illegal activity while we sit and wonder what's

going on?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Not as of yet.

MS. BORDELOVE: And, again, this one, the

individual in this case does not hold any license with

the PILB. This is an appeal of the citation was issued

to him.


this was someone that was working in security and didn't

have a license, or?

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spoke, since we can't see him on the videoconference.)

MR. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout.

THE REPORTER: Oh, okay. Thank you very much.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: He only said one

word, "Correct."

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's a two-syllable

word for him.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Next.

MR. INGRAM: Item number 73, Dominique Fuiava

is appealing the issuance of Citation -- I'm sorry.

Item number 73, Dominique --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Excuse me. Do we have

to do any kind of vote or anything on that, on the first

one?

MS. BORDELOVE: We cannot take action on it

because we --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I just wanted to

be sure.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We can send a

stern letter from the postal office.

MR. INGRAM: Okay. The next item is item

number 73, Dominique Fuiava. He is appealing the

issuance of Citation I-0020-19 to the Board pursuant to

NRS 648.165.

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Is he present in the north?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mary, is he up

there?


MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. Then, this one, he was

noticed on. So this is, it's an appeal of unlicensed

activity, Citation I-0020-19, as Mr. Ingram stated. It

was issued to Dominique -- it is possible that I am

pronouncing his name wrong -- Fuiava ("Foo-ee-ah-va").

But I will go with my best guess on the pronunciation of

this one.

As I can show you, yeah, Mr. Fuiava was

providing private security and/or executive protection

services inside the Omnia Nightclub on January 16, 2019.

Mr. Fuiava has a registered work card with the PILB but

does not hold a full license and was not working for a

licensed company on the night in question.

What I'll clarify, though, is, as we've had

with other hearings, I'm not seeking to revoke his work

card at this time. This is not a complaint. He simply

appealed the citation that was issued to him. And this

is the appeal.

Because he is not here, I would like to call my

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then the Board has the option to deny the appeal because

he's not here, or if you would like a showing regarding

background for the citation or anything behind it, I was

prepared for hearing, so we have it all here for you.

But that will be up to the Board.

She needs to be sworn in.

MR. DETMER: Ms. Turman, if you could please

stand and raise your right hand. Do you hereby swear or

affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing

but the truth?

THE WITNESS: I do.


D E B R A T U R M A N,

having been first duly sworn/affirmed,

was examined and testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. Ms. Turman, did you mail the notice of hearing

in this matter via U.S. certified mail?

A. I did.

Q. Okay. And if I could have --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: She's going to

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mic's, correct?

THE WITNESS: Yes.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes. And if I can have

actually all of the exhibits at this point -- I can go

through some of the background to each one. But your

Board Counsel has them there. If I can ask that they be

admitted into the record.

MS. KLEMME: Yes, I'll give them to Shannon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you need a

motion, or just my --

MS. BORDELOVE: You, as Chair, or as Acting

Chair.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We will accept

these.

(Exhibits 1 through 6 were previously marked

and are now admitted.)

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. Okay. So now that they're admitted, if you'll

look to the first page, this is the Notice of Hearing.

And I'd like to label that as Exhibit 1.

And it is, for Shannon's purposes, it is the

first two pages of the packet you -- or, sorry, first

three pages of the packet you just got. Four pages. I

apologize for that.

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A. Yes, it is.

Q. Okay. On what date did you mail it?

A. August 13th, 2019.

Q. And did you receive the certified mail receipt

back?

A. We received part of the certified mail receipt

back, the one indicating that we actually mailed it. I

had to look up the tracking number.

Q. Okay.

A. And other than that, we got the -- the tracking

number indicates that it was delivered from, or by the

USPS.

Q. Okay. And are you referring to page three of

Exhibit 1?

A. Yes, I am.

MR. BORDELOVE: Well, it's a screenshot there.

Okay.

Then, does the Board have any questions for

Ms. Turman?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a question.

Just for the record, I believe, it was taken care of,

and I want to put it on the record. On the citation,

I'm just noticing here, and it says Suite 4500. And

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MS. BORDELOVE: That is --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Has that been checked?

That's all.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes. Mr. Ingram, I believe,

and he can mention, too, checked right at 9:00 o'clock,

as well as we put a sign on the door that states that

today's meeting is happening in this room.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It is just the record

type of thing.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well done.

MR. INGRAM: And for the record, Kevin Ingram.

I checked it at 9:00, and I checked it at 9:05.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm a licensed

investigator and Clark County member.

MR. DETMER: Let me see your licence.

(Laughter.)


MS. BORDELOVE: Now I'll turn to the Board, if

you would like me to go through the background and

citation or what the Board would like at this time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I feel the

Board -- do we need to do a motion? I mean my mind

thinks we should just go forward. We're all here.


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this meeting. There's a lot of people in this room. I

have no intention of postponing this one.

MS. BORDELOVE: Well, this would not be

postponing. I'm simply -- you have the ability to deny

the appeal, because he's not here, as a default. But if

you'd like some background, and for the record it's

always nice to have, I'm happy to go through the

evidence that was just admitted, as well as we have two

videos that there are screenshots of in your packet, but

we can show you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm in

favor of a summary of what occurred.



MS. BORDELOVE: Then, may I call my second

witness, which would be Zachary Swarthout.

And if we want to swear both at the same time.

Dan Hoban over here is also going to be testifying.


And just briefly, as legal counsel was just

saying, was that with sufficient legal notice having

been provided, the Commission, the Board can consider

and dispose of the case as it sees fit, which would

include just denying the appeal. But we're happy to

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So if you both could raise your right hand. Do

you hereby swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole

truth, and nothing but the truth?

(Zachary Swarthout and Daniel Hoban were

sworn/affirmed.)

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. And, Mr. Detmer, do you

have one extra packet there? Or I can show the one I

have here. But, I think, okay.

Let's see. Let's start with Mr. Swarthout.

Z A C H A R Y S W A R T H O U T,



DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. Would you please state your name for the

record.

A. Zachary Swarthout.

Q. And what is your position at the PILB?

A. Compliance/Audit Investigator.

Q. And will you briefly describe what your

position entails.

A. I do compliance checks through checking on our

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Q. And let's see. Let's look at Exhibit 2. It's

going to be, I think, page five in there. That is

the -- or, well, can you testify as to what it is? It

should be the citation.

A. It is Citation I-0020-19.

Q. And do you recognize this document?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Is this a citation that you issued?

A. Yes, it is.

Q. Okay. And then we'll move on to Exhibit 3,

which is going to be page -- let's see. It's probably

page nine. It is on a lined piece of paper. Well, it's

a copy of. Do you recognize this document?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. And what is it?

A. It is an appeal letter from Dominique Fuiava.

Q. And was this received by the PILB within the

30-day appeals period?

A. Yes, it was.

Q. Okay. And let's move on to -- well, a few

questions before we get to Exhibit 4. What type of

investigations were you performing in January of 2019

when looking for unlicensed activity?

A. We were doing social media posts investigations

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private security in Nevada.

Q. Did you encounter any social media posts by

Mr. Fuiava?

A. Not by Mr. Fuiava. By another individual.

Q. Okay. And let's turn to Exhibit 4, which is

the next page of your packet. What is this?

A. This is a post from a guy who goes by the name

Opie Chuck. His actual name is -- let's see if I have

it here in my notes readily available. It is a Chuck

Opachich. I know I'm brutalizing that. O-P-A-C-H-I-C-H

is his actual last name. And he tagged it with TruUso

Security on it.

Q. And did you observe this Instagram post

yourself?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Did you take a screenshot?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Okay. What is TruUso, if I'm pronouncing that

correctly?

A. TruUso, from what we've been able to find out

from people who we've already cited, is an unlicensed

group of guys that are doing executive protection in the

nightclubs.

Q. Okay. And let's go to the video. I think, I

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going to show a video. And if you will briefly

describe, after it's shown, what this video is. This

will be Exhibit 4. It's that one.

(A video was played.)

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. Is this, is that a video that was in this

Instagram post?

A. Yes, it is.

Q. Okay. And what did you see in that video?

A. It's a bachelor party, what I know from the

post is that it was a bachelor party at Omnia Nightclub.

During the 14 and 22nd mark, you will see Dominique

Fuiava in the background walking around.

Q. Okay. And does he appear to be providing

executive protection services?

A. It is hard to tell from the video.

Q. Okay. And then let's move to the next page in

your packet, which it will be Exhibit 5. And it is an

email chain, which would be about three pages. Do you

recognize this email chain?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Did you send the email on page two?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Will you please read that email for me?

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contact information from Investigator Vincent Saladino.

I am contacting you in regards to a possible unlicensed

activity in your club on January 16th, 2019 at the

Skydeck. The group called TruUso, they are a group of

Samoans that -- that were in your nightclub, had

previous run-ins with. They were there for Chuck

Opachich's bachelor party. If possible, could you email

over the sign-in sheets, if there's one for private

security. And I've attached some photos of unlicensed

EP individuals.

Q. Okay. Thank you. And just a final couple

questions. Does Mr. Fuiava hold a registered work card

with the PILB?

A. Yes, he does.

Q. On the night of the January 16th, 2019, was

Mr. Fuiava listed on the roster of any company licensed

with the PILB?

A. No, he wasn't.

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. I think, that's the

remainder of my questions for you.

Does the Board have any questions for

Mr. Swarthout?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: This is Ray

Flynn. Just so I can understand what's going on here.

MS. BORDELOVE: M-hm (affirmative).



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So he's providing

executive protection inside a club?

THE WITNESS: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who was he

protecting?

THE WITNESS: Chuck Opachich.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And that means

absolutely nothing to me.

THE WITNESS: He's -- a lot of the guys that

were there for his bachelor are Boston Red Sox players.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Is he is a

baseball player himself?

THE WITNESS: Yes, but he never made it to the

major leagues, but his clients did.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And he

needs protection?

We don't know. All right. Okay. All right.

It's a world I don't play in, so that's why I don't know

what's going on, but. Okay. Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I just wanted to make

sure. They did provide us with a list at the nightclub.

It's saying that these two people were, the two -- the

first email is the one showing that these two people

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MS. BORDELOVE: Yes, and I will get to that

with my next witness.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Gotcha. Okay. Thank you.

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. I'd like to call

Mr. Daniel Hoban. Am I pronouncing your name correctly?

THE WITNESS: Yes.

D A N I E L H O B A N,



DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. Will you please state your spell your name for

the record?

A. Daniel Hoban, D-A-N-I-E-L, H-O-B-A-N.

Q. Okay. Who is your employer, and what is your

position there?

A. I work for Hakkasan Group. I am the Security

Specialist Supervisor.

Q. Please describe briefly what your position

entails.

A. We are hired to handle anything and everything,

from working with our executives, to celebrities, to

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regular nightclub security.

Q. Okay. Let me refer to Exhibit 5, which is that

email chain. Will you please look at page one. Do you

recognize this email?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you send the email on page one, that first

email?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you please read it briefly.

A. Yes. It says "I do not have a sign-in sheet

for the ones that were in that night. The two that were

with the group were Dominique Fuiava, R-087421, and Mark

Jerome, R-068734."

Q. Okay. And where did you obtain that

information if you didn't have a sign-in sheet?

A. I was actually with the group that came in,

that group with Chuck. And those two individuals came

in. I recognize them from previous dealings. Asked

them if they were working. They said yes. I asked them

for their work cards. They presented them.

Q. Okay. And then I'd like to move to Exhibit 6,

which in the packet is a screenshot, but it's going to

be another video that I'll show you.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is there any way to point

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MS. BORDELOVE: Yes, he is in this video.


(A video was played.)

BY MS. BORDELOVE:

Q. If you will point out when you see him.

A. That's Mark Jerome that's checking his ID.

Q. So he's the individual in the black T-shirt?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And this, where was this video taken?

A. That's Omnia Nightclub.

Q. Okay. And that the entryway?

A. That is -- they had a stage set up for the

individual, Chuck. So that is the entry to the stage.

That is one of the two entries.

Q. Okay. And is this security video footage?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And just to clarify for the record,

you're identifying Mr. Fuiava there in the video?

A. No, Mr. Fuiava is not in that video.

Q. Oh. It is Mark Jerome who is in that video?

A. That is Mark Jerome in the black T-shirt.

Q. Okay.

A. Polo.

Q. But you did witness Mr. Fuiava there?

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Mr. Fuiava was on the other set of the stairs.

Q. Okay. And he presented his work card as

working --

A. Yes.

Q. -- executive protection services?

A. Yes.

MS. BORDELOVE: Okay. Thank you.

Any questions for the witness from the Board?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, just so I

understand how it works. So you're checking. I mean I

appreciate you being here. I appreciate your

cooperation. But you're checking. It sounds like it's

routine that you check work cards of people saying they

are bodyguards or --

THE WITNESS: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- executive

protection?

THE WITNESS: Absolutely.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why is that?

THE WITNESS: Through conversations with

Mr. Kevin Ingram, some of them have come in, stating

that they are working. And they're not actually

licensed. They just have the registered work card. And

from my talks with Kevin, he said that's illegal

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are actually licensed. And then I contact Kevin to see

if they are actually licensed and claiming that they're

working for who they're working for. Because in the

previous dealings with some of these guys, they come in

and just work for cash, and they either don't have a

license or aren't registered, or whatever the case.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Now, do they

identify -- I mean are they identifying themselves as

"I'm security" to not pay like an entry fee or

something, or they just say --

THE WITNESS: No. They'll come in with like a

client that is purchasing a table, and they're working

for that person.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So just through

your experience and knowledge, skills and abilities, you

determine by looking, you say they're probably security?

THE WITNESS: Yes. And then we'll either

approach them or ask them, ask the guest, or ask the

host if they have security or if this person is working

security. And most of the time, those individuals say,

"Yes, I'm working."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And then

one other question that's not germane to this case, but

just so I understand the environment.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are executive

security or bodyguards permitted to be armed in clubs?

THE WITNESS: No. No one is, no one is

permitted to be armed inside of our club.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Even if they've

got a license to be armed, if they come in as a

bodyguard, they've got to leave their gun elsewhere?

THE WITNESS: That is correct.


you. Appreciate it.

MS. BORDELOVE: Any further questions from the

Board?

Okay. And that is the end of my presentation.

I think, you're done with yours. Thank you.

MS. KLEMME: Excuse me.

MS. BORDELOVE: Just kind of as a --

MS. KLEMME: Rosalie, excuse me. The person

who just spoke.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.

MS. KLEMME: Can they turn on their mic?

MR. INGRAM: I just mentioned to Mr. Hoban that

he was welcome to stay to watch the rest of the hearing

or that he was permitted to leave. This is Kevin.

THE REPORTER: Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, Mary.



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MS. BORDELOVE: Just to summarize, I've shown

you that Mr. Fuiava was providing executive protection

services on the night in question. He does not hold a

full license and was not working for a licensed company

at the time, which is why he was issued the citation at

issue.

He appealed the citation, though his appeal

letter does not list reasons why.

So I would ask that the Board uphold the

citation.


for the summary. And it's what I needed. And I don't

know if there's any questions from the Board before we

proceed.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I may -- on the video,

okay, and I might have to him come, the man come back

up.

MS. BORDELOVE: We can have a witness come back

if you have additional questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right.

Commissioner Gronauer.

On the video, it showed the one gentleman. And

as the witness testified, that he knew the other

gentleman, Mr. Fuiava, who's appealing the citation. We

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know he was at the end of the stage, the other side of

the stage, two entrances. How do we know that he was

checked, or how did we get that information?

MS. BORDELOVE: Mr. Hoban testified that he

observed him providing his work card and being checked.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And he asked for

that, and he said he wasn't?

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I just didn't

get the whole story.

MS. BORDELOVE: That's fine.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. Thank you.

That's all.



Without any further questions, I'll entertain a motion.

And, basically, do we want to deny the appeal?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion that

we uphold the denial. I guess, we have to do the whole

thing.

MS. BORDELOVE: That you are upholding the

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that we is appealing the issuance of Citation 1-0020-19

pursuant to the NRS 648.165.



have a motion. I have a second.

(The Reported indicated that the person

speaking needs to turn on their mic.)

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record. I

said nothing of substance.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I concur.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Good morning to you.


have a motion, and we have a second. And I don't see

any further discussion. So I'll ask for a vote on this,

that we deny this citation's appeal and we uphold the

citation issued by staff. All in favor, state "aye."




Mr. Ingram, any other business this morning?

MS. BORDELOVE: One, I guess, thing to clarify

for the record, that we often have earlier on, we're

upholding the citation, but it couldn't hurt to

officially, to have a motion to find that service was

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defaults and didn't at the beginning.

MR. DETMER: And Mike Detmer, for the record,

acting as Board Counsel.

Counsel is correct as far as making that clear

for the record, if that wasn't clear already. And I

have to make one statement, and it is preceded by an

acknowledgement of my ignorance on it. But these notice

of violations, they have set fines. There doesn't have

to be a restatement of the fines?

MS. BORDELOVE: I don't believe. The citation

itself contains the fine. And so they were upholding

the citation as is.

MR. DETMER: Okay. Because I just wasn't sure

if there was an argument for sentencing.

MS. BORDELOVE: But a motion regarding service

and/or finding him in default is helpful for a clear

record, while we upheld the citation, and you guys made

a finding of that. But that finding would be helpful

for the record, in the event that he were to try and

challenge this later.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is this a new motion or

an amendment to the motion?

MS. BORDELOVE: A new motion on the same agenda

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whatever you said.


have a motion. Do we have a --


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So no

further discussion, then. We have a motion that we

accept the service --

MS. BORDELOVE: Yeah, that he --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- and the

evidence of service, that everything was proper and that

this subject, the citation was properly noticed for this

hearing.

` MS. BORDELOVE: M-hm (affirmative).

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All in favor, say

"aye."




All right. Anything else from counsel,

counsels? No? Okay.

MS. BORDELOVE: Not at this time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. 74,

agenda item number 74. Any Board comments or future

agenda items that we'd like to have or have Kevin and

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Everything we've asked

for, Kevin and staff have provided. It's from the past.

So I'm really happy where we're going.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I would have to

concur. I mean we've given you stuff almost at every

meeting. And I don't have anything today, and neither

does any of the Board.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Quick question. Would

your letter be a part of this, to the Governor, about

the Board nominations?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No. I did sign

the letter.


MR. INGRAM: It wasn't an agendized item.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, and our

counsel said we didn't have to do a motion on it. So.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: That's right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I wrote a letter.

I signed it. We'll send it. If I'm not --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Our real counsel, or?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The semi-counsel.

And if I'm not here next meeting, you'll know that the

letter didn't go well with the Governor.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: The letter went through.

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service, so, yeah, that it's his fault.

But, no, seriously, all joking aside, it's been

a good year. And we've accomplished a lot.

I, and, I think, I can speak for the other

members of the Board, I really like the quarterly

reporting out that we're getting. That really helps us

understand what's going on. So. All right.


Any public comment up north?

MS. KLEMME: None here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just for my own

curiosity, did anybody show up, up north?

MS. KLEMME: We have no one in the audience.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. All

right. Kevin wants to say something.

MR. INGRAM: Just as a kind of an overview and

a follow-up on what Mr. Hoban had explained to you, you

know, we don't really do any kind of a real presentation

to you on what Board staff is doing.

What we've done over the last couple years is

reached out to all of the security administrators in all

of the casinos, Las Vegas Metro, Henderson P.D., North

Las Vegas. And we've, I've gone out and done

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their environments.

Hakkasan Group is part of what they call the

zone meetings. And that's where all the security

individuals from the different properties come together

once a month. They invite us to attend. On occasions,

we do presentations. And other times, we're just kind

of rubbing elbows and sharing ideas and concerns with

them.

Hakkasan Group has really stepped up and taken

a very serious approach to unlicensed activity within

their nightclubs, as well as other entities that aren't

present today. And we've developed that rapport to

where they keep us informed, we keep them informed. We

work very closely with Las Vegas Metropolitan Police

Department, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, even the

FBI, on situations that we're investigating.

And when there's a large event, we always

attend, Lori and I always attend all of the planning

meetings, all the organization meetings, so that we

developed rapport and reputation with a lot of the large

event planners that come into town. And we work very

closely with them to try to cut down on the unlicensed

activity.

So we're doing a lot of outreach that you may

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for us, with these relationships. Mr. Hoban and I

communicate -- I can't say it, but I can do it.

Exactly. He's rubbing off on me. Communicate

frequently. And we're pleased to have the partnership

with them and all the other entities here in the state.

I just want to put that on the record. Thank

you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate the

comments. And I appreciate the cooperation that we have

with the clubs on the Strip.

And I appreciate you being here today. I know

it takes a lot to come downtown and come to one of these

hearings. So.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Did you work last

night?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You probably got

the night off because of this. All right.

All right. One further call for public

comment?

Seeing none, do you want to tell us when we're

coming back again for our meeting?

MR. INGRAM: We're coming back in December.

It'll be the 11th and the 12th unless we have any

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may be in a new location, right?

MR. INGRAM: We will be in a new location.

It'll be at the two Department of Employment, Training

and Rehabilitation locations. We've been there before

for a hearing. So it's the DETR over off of St. Louis

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It will be at DETR in Carson City as well.

MS. IRIZARRY: Kevin, it's the 10th and 11th.

MR. INGRAM: 10th and 11th. I'm sorry. Lori,

thanks Lori. It's good to have her in with me.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's Tuesday and

Wednesday, right?

MR. INGRAM: We had to change it, yeah.

MS. IRIZARRY: It's a Tuesday and a Wednesday,

yes.

MR. INGRAM: In Las Vegas, we'll be at

St. Louis.


Anything else? We are really dragging this out, and it

should be quick.

All right. I'll call for a motion to adjourn.



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MR. INGRAM: Thank you, Shannon.


you up north.

MS. TAYLOR: Thank you all.

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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, SHANNON L. TAYLOR, a Nevada Certified Court

Reporter, Nevada CCR #322, do hereby certify:

That I was present at the Legislative Counsel

Bureau, 401 South Carson Street, Room 3138, Carson City,

Nevada, on Wednesday, September 11, 2019, at 9:00 a.m.,

and on Thursday, September 12, 2019, at 9:00 a.m., and

took stenotype notes of a two-day meeting of the State

of Nevada Private Investigators Licensing Board;

That I thereafter transcribed the aforementioned

stenotype notes into typewriting as herein appears, and

that the within transcript, consisting of pages 1

through 287, is a full, true, and correct transcription

of said stenotype notes of both days of said meeting;

I further certify that I am not an attorney or

counsel for any of the parties, not a relative or

employee of any attorney or counsel connected with the

actions, nor financially interested in the actions.

DATED: At Carson City, Nevada, this 1st day of

November, 2019.

____________________________

SHANNON L. TAYLOR

Nevada CCR #322, RMR

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