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Page 1: Pierre TEILLET Vincent HECQUET The EU ESSnet project on ESSnet on « profiling large and complex MNEs » State of the art / Crucial questions

Pierre TEILLET

Vincent HECQUET

The EU ESSnet project on ESSnet on « profiling large and complex MNEs »

 State of the art / Crucial questions

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ESSnet & Insee (but personal views of the authors) Q2010 4-6 May 2010

ESSnet on « profiling large and complex MNEs »

› the context, approach, programme and actions slides 3 to 7

› the current state of operations slides 8 & 9

› about definitions of enterprises slides 10 to 13

› Proposals, questions and options slide 14 to 18

› examples slide 19

› next work slide 20

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the context

The profiling necessity is:

› related to two EU 1993 regulations (Statistical Business registers; Statistical units)

› that did not allow “measuring the whole elephant” (Statistics Canada report to UNECE / CES 2005)

› and lead to a new BR regulation (2008), including as well MNEs as “enterprises” .

But we still have to “translate” the previous studies in operational processes.

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the contextThe present project is:

› part of the MEETS programme(Modernisation of European Enterprise and Trade Statistics)

› designed to achieve a streamlined framework of business-related statistics

› as a part of the system of the EGR (Euro Groups Registers)

› in order to achieve coordinated and meaningful statistical unit structures for enterprise groups

› (with maximum use of existing knowledge (EU and non EU))

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the general approach

› objectives & results structured into 3 steps:

– 2009-2010: a positioning paper on feasibility of profiling; an input on statistical units for an eventual change of EU regulation

– 2010-2012: methodology, tools, guidelines …

– 2013 & on: full implementation of profiling inside EU

› throughout the project: testing, iterations and early results

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the work programme

› ESSnet, a new way for developing European Statistics:– a partnership of NSIs– cooperating to develop a common methodology– willing to disseminate the results to the whole European

Statistical System– with the strong support of Eurostat

› The « profiling » partnership:– 7 NSIs : CBS –NL, DESTATIS –DE, ISTAT –IT, ONS –GB,

SF –FI, OFS –CH , INSEE –FR coordinator

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the actions planned under the partnership

› WP A.  To define the feasibility and the scope of ‘profiling’ large and complex MNEs.

› WP B.  To develop a common conceptual framework, methodology, rules and standards for profiling

› WP C. To develop processes / workflows, tools,operational guidelines and quality control of profiling, organisational and financial models

› WP D.  To test and implement 'profiling'

› WP E.   To develop a model for sharing of 'profiles' (including legal framework)

› WP + To disseminate and train› WP M To manage the ESSnet

WP = working package; managed by a leading partner (LP), 1 to 3 working partners (WP), all others being reviewing partners (RP)

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current state of operations (1)

› Framework partnership agreement: signed in October 2009› Specific Annual Agreement: signed in December 2009› Kick-off meeting, 3 all-partners coordination meetings› 2 Workshops :

– London 13-14 Jan on feasibility - the “why” and the “who”

with the stress on stakeholder views– Amsterdam 24-25 Feb on Statistical Units

› An organised cooperation between Workpackage leaders with Trilateral meetings

› A planned 3rd workshop on “options” in June

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current state of operations (2)

› Consultation with stakeholders is still ongoing› When and if trade-off will be necessary, setting

priorities among their wishes could become unavoidable

› Current list of main stakeholders:– National AccountsBut do we serve first EU needs or National needs?– Balance of Payments and Foreign Direct Investments (FDI)– Foreign Activities and Trade Statistics (I & O-FATS)– Structural Business Statistics (SBS)

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definition of « enterprise »: main issues

In the present EU regulation: Enterprise, defined as the smallest combination of

legal units- that is an organisational unit

- producing goods and services (for the market)- … with a certain degree of autonomy in decision making- especially for the allocation of its current resources

is used at national level, without international comparability:- the sum of the parts usually differs from the total

- the required level is not specified (national, European or global?)

- the standards for data collection are not consistent either conceptually or in practice

so that the ultimate question will be one of « global profiling » versus profiling relative to any kind of territory

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definition of « enterprise »: main issues

Probably necessary to choose between:– present definition of enterprise (easy to use with legal administrative or

fiscal data, but not consistent with management structure)– a new one (at least partly) based on group operational segments

or divisions (GODs) (listed in Annual Reports according to IFRS8)

GODs definition usually crosses the national boundaries, and thus needs a choice between: – enterprises crossing national boundaries– GODs split into enterprises within national boundaries– with a classification dilemma (simplest example next slide)

GODs definition is not directly related to legal units:– (some) legal units may be split into more than one enterprise– need to find a way to relate the enterprise to the institutional unit

– need (eventually) to create “rest of world” units for outside EU

There is no role, in the EU, for the local unit.

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definition of « enterprise »

The territorial classification dilemma:

What is

› global classification?› national classification?

› when France and Germany› distribute GB output

France (UCI& Distribution)

GB (Manufacturing)

Germany(Distribution)

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definition of « enterprise »

The territorial classification dilemma:can be more complex if flows of manufactured goods are implied

What is› global classification?› national classification?

› when Spain and France are manufacturers of goods conceived in France and sold in the whole of Europe through a unique French “trade” company

› distributed in all EU countries through specialised affiliates

FR (UCI, R&D,Manuf and trade)

Spain(Manufacturing

and distribution)

All EU countries(Distribution)

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Two operational proposals:

› 1 Sharing a model:– a “model” of statistical units is essential for successful profiling– all countries need to use the same standards (for profiling both

MNEs and large domestic groups)– national accounts systems: we recognise that the new UN-SNA

manuals focuses on the legal units; what about the new EU-ESA?

› 2 Dealing with complexity:– we cannot deal with all cases (initially or indeed in the future)– we need a mechanism to develop rules based on new cases

(within the BRWG or the EGR Steering Group?) rather than a complete set of new rules

– new rules and mechanism must include treatment of holdings, SPEs, off-shoring, family closed companies, family groups, accountancy firms and other partnerships, etc

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Three operational questions(1) :› Do we propose a process with, first, top-down profiling, then,

completed with bottom-up information?– delineating the global enterprise group by creating a cluster of

all legal units belonging to the group– investigating the operational structure (as independently as

possible from “legal” or administrative structure)– identifying all market-oriented entities (as the basement for the

future enterprises) and allocating all other entities to these– link (at least try to ) all legal units to enterprises (recognising

that relationships can be: 1 to1; several to 1; many to many)

› Which is very different from the present definition (largely bottom-up):– only way to deal with groups with hundreds of affiliates, – avoiding time lag and quality problems of administrative data, – improving the cost /efficiency ratio

But leading to the following questions:

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Three operational questions (2):

› Do we propose to use (largely) the IFRS (the EU-GAAP)?

thus needing to study their pros and cons:– Pros:

– Most widespread “administrative” “ EU” standards– Good standardisation of elementary flows and stocks– Compulsory for stock-traded and bond-traded groups– Include “operational segments” (with turn-over,

operational results and employment figures)– Cons:

– Consolidated data (no national figure if intra-group flows) and sometimes at levels lower than UCI

– No standardised publication tables– Uncertain stability for the operational segments

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Three operational questions (3):

› Do we propose to restore consistency between EU and national statistics, through assigment of dual (plural) classifications to statistical units

– Group-consistent classification– Own-activity classification (solves ancillary activities

problem and also commercial but not trade activities problems)

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leading to 3 main types of options:› 1 the so-called “no change” option:

– sticking to the present definition of enterprises– with necessary operational changes to really apply it

› 2 the “minor change” option– clarifying the definition of enterprises (what reference territory: each country /

a zone / the world? what type of relations with legal units?) in comparison to operational segments of the Group

– introducing either “truncated GODS” as enterprises or “truncated enterprises”– with international coordination (list and composition of enterprises)– Statistical work remaining purely national

› 3 the “complete change” option– First global: for the listing of GODs and enterprises– Statistics mainly based on consolidated information (highest level possible)

or on “consolidation system” at least for FATS data (ISIC/NACE; turn-over; employment)

– Then allocation to countries (process to be designed)

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the first « examples » studied

› testing, iterations and early results are objectives throughout the project

› but restricted to “examples” until now

› first “cases” studied in common: – 4 groups within the motorcar industry (to check their similarities and differences)– a list of differentiated MNEs (in industry, trade and services, all largely

widespread in EU, some with SPEs), most of them being seen from at least two countries point of view

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the future work

› Next Workshop in Paris in June, main discussion on:– Options for the profiling– Draft report on statistical units

› Needed discussion from EU and non EU statisticians

› For EU members, all papers of the ESSnet on CIRCA / BRnet / Profiling, for information and comment

Thank you for attention and comments