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Partial Saponification in

Cold-Process Soap

Kevin M. Dunn

Spring 2013

$Revision: 1.1 $

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Acknowledgements

• Mike Lawson/Columbus Foods

• Hampden-Sydney College

• Meade Edmunds

• John Dekarske

• Caleb Watkins

• Andrew McLeod

• Robert O’Cain

• Jay Rawles

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Background Chemistry

Background Chemistry

Oil and water don’t mix.

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Background Chemistry

Oil and Water

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Background Chemistry

Nerds and Cheerleaders

Lipophilic

Hydrophilic

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Oil and Lye

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

One Soap

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Two Soaps

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Three Soaps and a Glycerin

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Soap: A Nerdy Cheerleader

Amphiphilic

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Saturated Fatty Acids

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Oil, Lye and and Soap

Unsaturated Fatty Acids

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Soap and Vinegar

Soap + H+

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Soap and Vinegar

Soap + H+ = Fatty Acid

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Fatty Acid and Lye

Fatty Acid + OH-

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Fatty Acid and Lye

Fatty Acid + OH- = Soap + Water

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Equilibrium

Soap/Fatty Acid Equilibrium

• Soap (pH 10, universal indicator blue)

• Soap + Fatty Acid (pH 7, universal indicator green)

• Fatty Acid + Soap (pH 6, universal indicator yellow)

• Fatty Acid (pH 5, universal indicator orange)

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Equilibrium

Soap/Fatty Acid Equilibrium

• 5 mL of saturated soap solution in half bottle of water

• A few drops of universal indicator shows pH

• Make sure cap is on bottle before shaking

• Add vinegar (red pipet) a few drops at a time to lower pH

• Add ammonia (blue pipet) a few drops at a time to raise pH

• Note the quality of suds after each addition

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AAAGs, AAGs, AGs, and Gs

Triacylglyceride (AAAG)

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AAAGs, AAGs, AGs, and Gs

Diacylglyceride (AAG)

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AAAGs, AAGs, AGs, and Gs

Monoacylglyceride (AG)

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AAAGs, AAGs, AGs, and Gs

Glycerol (G)

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• AAAG + 1 NaOH = AAG + 1 NaA (Soap) + 1 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• AAAG + 1 NaOH = AAG + 1 NaA (Soap) + 1 H2O

• AAAG + 2 NaOH = AG + 2 NaA (Soap) + 2 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• AAAG + 1 NaOH = AAG + 1 NaA (Soap) + 1 H2O

• AAAG + 2 NaOH = AG + 2 NaA (Soap) + 2 H2O

• AAAG + 3 NaOH = G + 3 NaA (Soap) + 3 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• AAAG + 1 NaOH = AAG + 1 NaA (Soap) + 1 H2O

• AAAG + 2 NaOH = AG + 2 NaA (Soap) + 2 H2O

• AAAG + 3 NaOH = G + 3 NaA (Soap) + 3 H2O

• AAAG + 4 NaOH = G + 3 NaA (Soap) + 3 H2O + 1 NaOH

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

• 2 AAAG + 6 NaOH = 2 G + 6 NaA + 6 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

• 2 AAAG + 6 NaOH = 2 G + 6 NaA + 6 H2O

• 3 AAAG + 9 NaOH = 3 G + 9 NaA + 9 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

• 2 AAAG + 6 NaOH = 2 G + 6 NaA + 6 H2O

• 3 AAAG + 9 NaOH = 3 G + 9 NaA + 9 H2O

• 4 AAAG + 12 NaOH = 4 G + 12 NaA + 12 H2O

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

• 2 AAAG + 6 NaOH = 2 G + 6 NaA + 6 H2O

• 3 AAAG + 9 NaOH = 3 G + 9 NaA + 9 H2O

• 4 AAAG + 12 NaOH = 4 G + 12 NaA + 12 H2O

• 10 AAAG + 30 NaOH = ?

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The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

The Stoichiometric Hypothesis

• 1 AAAG + 3 NaOH = 1 G + 3 NaA + 3 H2O

• 2 AAAG + 6 NaOH = 2 G + 6 NaA + 6 H2O

• 3 AAAG + 9 NaOH = 3 G + 9 NaA + 9 H2O

• 4 AAAG + 12 NaOH = 4 G + 12 NaA + 12 H2O

• 10 AAAG + 30 NaOH = 10 G + 30 NaA + 30 H2O

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The Lye Discount

10% Lye Discount

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = ?

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The Lye Discount

10% Lye Discount

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 9 G + 1 AAAG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

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The Lye Discount

10% Lye Discount

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 9 G + 1 AAAG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 7 G + 3 AG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

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The Lye Discount

10% Lye Discount

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 9 G + 1 AAAG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 7 G + 3 AG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

• 10 AAAG + 27 NaOH = 8 G + 1 AAG + 1 AG + 27 NaA + 27 H2O

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The Lye Discount

Glycerol

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Lye Discounting vs Superfatting

Lye Discounting vs Superfatting

Lye Discounting

• We don’t want excess lye in our soap.

• So we add less lye than the SAP indicates.

Superfatting

• We want an excess of a “desirable” oil in our soap.

• So we add more oil than the SAP indicates.

• And we add the desirable oil at trace.

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Lye Discounting vs Superfatting

The Superfatting Hypothesis

The later an oil is added during the soapmaking process, the more

likely it is to remain unreacted in the finished soap. Thus desir-

able superfatting oils should be added at the last possible mo-

ment.

This is the conventional wisdom, but is it possible to test this

hypothesis?

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The Superfatting Experiment

The Superfatting Experiment

• Two soaps were made, both containing 91% coconut oil and 9%

olive oil.

• Both soaps were made using a 5% lye discount.

• For soap A, olive oil was added to the coconut oil at the begin-

ning. (Discounting 5%)

• For soap B, olive oil was added to the coconut oil at trace. (Su-

perfatting 5%)

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The Superfatting Experiment

Extracting the Unreacted Oil

• Both soaps contain unsaponified or partially saponified oil.

• Oil was extracted from each soap using ether.

• The extracted oils were analysed for percent oleic acid.

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The Superfatting Experiment

Superfatting Results

• The oil used was 9% olive oil / 91% coconut oil.

• Oils were mixed at the beginning for Soap A.

• Olive oil was added at trace for Soap B.

• The original oil contained 7% oleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap A contained 22% oleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap B contained 22% oleic acid.

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The Superfatting Experiment

Superfatting Results

• The test was repeated using 10% castor oil / 90% palm oil.

• A 10% lye discount was used.

• The original oil contained 9% ricinoleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap A contained 4% ricinoleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap B contained 4% ricinoleic acid.

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The Superfatting Experiment

Superfatting Results

• The test was repeated using 10% grapeseed oil / 90% palm oil.

• A 10% lye discount was used.

• The original oil contained 9% linoleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap A contained 19% linoleic acid.

• The oil extracted from Soap B contained 17% linoleic acid.

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The Superfatting Experiment

Superfatting Conclusions

• For the oils studied, it did not matter whether the superfatting

oil was added before or at trace.

• The "superfatting" oil may react more or less quickly than the

base oil.

• The unreacted oil in soap is mostly base oil but may contain the

"superfatting" oil if it reacts more slowly than the base oil.

• The "superfatting" oil may be beneficial because of the soap pro-

duced rather than the oil remaining unreacted.

• For the oil combinations studied, there is no difference between

superfatting and discounting.

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba "Oil": A Special Case

• Jojoba has been in short supply (2010-2012).

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba "Oil": A Special Case

• Jojoba has been in short supply (2010-2012).

• Jojoba is still expensive.

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba "Oil": A Special Case

• Jojoba has been in short supply (2010-2012).

• Jojoba is still expensive.

• Jojoba is not a triacylglyceride--it is a wax ester.

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba "Oil": A Special Case

• Jojoba has been in short supply (2010-2012).

• Jojoba is still expensive.

• Jojoba is not a triacylglyceride--it is a wax ester.

• How does Jojoba saponify?

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba: A Wax Ester

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Saponified Jojoba

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba Delight

• Jojoba Delight: 39% Olive, 28% Palm, 28% Coconut, 5% Jojoba

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba Delight

• Jojoba Delight: 39% Olive, 28% Palm, 28% Coconut, 5% Jojoba

• 3% lye discount

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba Delight

• Jojoba Delight: 39% Olive, 28% Palm, 28% Coconut, 5% Jojoba

• 3% lye discount

• Fatty matter extracted with petroleum ether

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba Delight

• Jojoba Delight: 39% Olive, 28% Palm, 28% Coconut, 5% Jojoba

• 3% lye discount

• Fatty matter extracted with petroleum ether

• Extract contained mostly fatty alcohol

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Jojoba Delight

• Jojoba Delight: 39% Olive, 28% Palm, 28% Coconut, 5% Jojoba

• 3% lye discount

• Fatty matter extracted with petroleum ether

• Extract contained mostly fatty alcohol

• Extract contained no unsaponified ester

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Bonus Jojoba Material

Cetyl Alcohol

Cetyl alcohol is an inexpensive fatty alcohol that can be substi-

tuted for jojoba in soap (not cosmetics). Substitute 2 oz of jojoba

with 1 oz of cetyl alcohol.

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Scientific Soapmaking

Questions

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Scientific Soapmaking

Scientific Soapmaking

Thanks to the HSCG for all the questions I could not have an-

swered 8 years ago.

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Scientific Soapmaking

Scientific Soapmaking

Thanks to the HSCG for all the questions I may be able to answer

in the coming years.