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hunkahunkaSenior Member Join Date: Jan 2008Posts: 1,549
dezkillas, I just watched 'The Brave', and I consider it notable that Depp
and Marlon Brando starred in it, yet it was never released. It must have cost some money to make, but Depp neverreleased it. Ostensibly because
it received some bad reviews when it was first shown at the Cannes film festival. Maybe there was also some other
reason.
I noticed some details that
remind of certain things in this thread. The 'garbage dump people'/desert settlement of homeless reminds me of the
Manson cult/'family'
who were known to have at one point lived off of a garbage dump and to hide out in isolated parts of the desert.
The 'snuff film starring American indian' theme brings the Pickton situation
to mind, in that most of the women who Robert and Dave Pickton killed
were native indians, and Dave Pickton owned a film editing studio.
The graffiti of the face throughout the film reminded me of the 'smiley face' killings of young men that has been
reported as an unsolved mystery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory
but most of all the film reminds of Pickton , due to thephrase 'kill them, fuck them, and eat them', which appeared
twice in the Brave film. The first time is when it appears scrawled on the
bathroom stall wall of a gay-bar that Depp ducks into to count his money
after being hired to star in a snuff film by Marlon Brando.
The second time is when Brando's violent enforcer threatens that if
Depp runs out on the deal, he is going to come for Depp's wife and kids
and 'kill them, fuck them, and eat them'.
This reminds of the Pickton situation, where allegations of cannibalism have
run rampant, and it appears that Pickton or whatever cult he was involved with did exactly that to native women:
killed them, fucked them , and ate them. This fi lm was made in 1997, five years before
the Pickton cult murders began to emerge publicly.
the women were slaughtered on the Pickton pig farm, and butchered in the same way as pigs, with three heads found
in a freezer. These were Hells Angels related murders, as the entire farm was a Hells Angels hangout.
another connection between the Pickton bike cult and Charles Manson:
the Manson hippy cult murders were tied closely to the whole operation chaos/Hells Angels scene at Spahn Ranch,and the Piggy Palace bikers equating victims with pigs seems to go back at least to the scene of the Manson cult
murders:
Quote:
Rosemary LaBianca received 41 knive wounds, Leno LaBianca received 12 knive wounds and 7 fork
wounds. On a wall in the LaBianca home, in Leno's blood, was written the phrase "Death to Pigs."
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the word 'pig' was scrawled on the door of the house of director Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate, who
was butchered. (there are rumors of an 8 mm camera present at the murder, which may have been filmed, as well
as allegations of a Manson connection to porn production and theft of movie equipment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118768/
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The Brave (1997) is a film adapted from the Gregory McDonald novel of the same title directed by and
starring Johnny Depp.
This film was Depp's directorial debut. He co-wrote the screenplay with his brother, directed and acted in it.
The film was first shown at the 1997 Cannes film festival where it received mixed reviews. Since then, Depp
has not released the film and the DVD is only distributed outside of the United States of America.
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The film concerns a Native American man named Raphael who lives with his wife and two children in a
remote community that has situated themselves by a rubbish dump in order to find whatever they can to sell
to make a living. Raphael, seeing the hopelessness of the situation and his inability to provide for his family,
agrees to star in a snuff film for a large sum of money that he hopes will give his family a chance for a better
life.
Having been given the money in advance, Raphael is given a week to live and then return to be tortured and
killed in front of the camera. The film follows Raphael's transformation with his relationship with his wife and
children over the course of his final week of life and his own personal anguish with his fate.
so in an odd way, this film ties together elements of the Manson-related, Operation Chaos killings, snuff, and even
the Pickton pig farm murders. Marlon Brando comes off as this underground CIA type, and it is possible to imagine
how some monarch snuff film industry 'inside story' could eventually be worked into a film like the Brave, years
later, embellished of course to make the victim look like a 'willing hero', when the real life story/stories (which this
film may be based on) probably had nothing to do with the man 'volunteering', and everything to do with the threat
that the man's family would be killed. A more realistic scenario that I can imagine is that a man who had a price on
his head for ri in off the dru cartel was icked u and 'delivered alive' to those who were lookin for him and
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tortured/interrogated. Maybe he confessed that he had spent the money on his wife and blown it on lavish
indulgences, and they thought she may still have only a small amount of the money or drugs left hidden, so instead
of killing her , they used him in some MK project torture film.
Maybe snuff films are used to traumatize mk victims during programming, victims who would be tied up in the same
room, or what appeared to be the same room , in the same type of chair and forced to watch a film of that which was
done to someone previously in the same chair (severe torture and horrifying mutilation ending in death), and the mk
victim is then tortured by the very same people who killed the person in the snuff film. The second victim would be
certain that their own painful death was imminent.
I can see how snuff films would be the ultimate 'near-death trauma' programming tool. At a guess the 'set' for the
snuff would be as generically-reproducible as possible , so that ONE snuff film could be used to program/shatter
dozens of mk victims with a horrifying near-death experience. Hence the use of masks by the torturers in a plainblack room, for example.
An identical, simple setting such as that could be easily and cheaply produced . The individual being programmed
would be strapped into a chair, in a plain black room, and surrounded by
torturers in black masks. The individual would then be forced to watch a video of unspeakable
sadism and nauseating brutality unfold, and immediately recognize that they themselves were
in the identical situation as that of the person being dissected alive on the screen before them.
The individual undergoing programming would then be told that they themselves were going to be interrogated and
killed in exactly the same fashion as the victim they had just watched in the film.
The victim would be convinced that he/she was in the exact same setting that he/she is observing in the film , with
exactly the same masked tormentors and murderers , with the same fate imminent. Maybe the technique would be to
take the actual torture only as far as necessary to induce a state of complete hysterical terror, rinse, and repeat,
etc.,
until the mind is shattered.
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