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Out of Nowhere, by the Flying Fisherman, Part 1

...The Flying Fisherman

Reason for Writing the Narrative

When I first began to realize that something unusual had happened to me I thought about it most ofthe time. I thought if I wrote down what I remembered I could get it off my mind. It worked to somedegree. If something came up, I could just write it down and not have to dwell on it. I also realized theneed to share the experience with investigators and realized that it might be helpful to shareexperiences with others who have had similar experiences or were just interested in the subject.

Narrative Use

Since this narrative is on a public site, it can be used by any interested person for personal use. Areference to The Flying Fisherman, an anonymous experiencer or something like that is okay.Interested parties may share it with others.

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The GPS Trails

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Discovering Three Sudden Position ChangesOverview

Lost Memories Recovered (Some of them that is)

Over a period of time during the year 2000, I discovered that in 1999 while fishing I had suddenlydisappeared from one site and appeared in another on three occasions. I had no memory of what wenton during the time I was moving from one site to another. These all occurred while I was fishing onlakes in a 16-foot aluminum fishing boat. With the exception of the first incident, I completely forgotthe position changes until I was reminded in an unusual manner. The following narrative describes howI discovered the position changes and my reactions to these discoveries. It also covers events leadingup to some of them and related information. Since 2000, I have become aware of another positionchange but of a very short distance. Later after considerable effort, I would find a therapist who couldguide me to break through the blocks and I would learn some of the things that happened during whatwas missing time.

A Note to the Reader

Anyone reading this will find that I have some strong beliefs. I also strongly believe in and respect therights of people who might not share those beliefs. Therefore, please understand that I am not writingthis expecting to convert anyone but to provide information that may be of help anyone researchingthis phenomenon or to help me solve this problem. In relation to the narrative, my faith was integral toresolving the issue. However many Christians because of misconceptions of the Bible have found theirfaith severally tested or destroyed by such encounters.

If you are interested in looking into Christianity, whether you consider yourself a Christian or not, Iwould recommend going to the Bible direct. Such books as The Gospel of John and Romans are goodplaces to start. A good version is the New King James, but any version except certain versionspublished by cults will do. If you were seriously interested, I would recommend reading Luke 11:9-13and following the suggestion of Jesus Himself in the 13th verse. Unfortunately, I can no longerrecommend any particular church or group. Christianity is burdened with false doctrines and man’sopinions. Many have thrown out the Lord altogether. The best source for Biblical truth is the Bible. AChristian friend may be of help but check out everything said with the Bible.

A Work in Progress

This version of my story is the most complete version. It remains of necessity a work in progress. As Ilearn or recall new things I try to update it, but even that is hard.

Included here are many things that I recalled, thought of and details that I used to establish time linesand other thoughts and speculations that I needed in order to sort this thing out. The facts, of course,are included. It should not be hard to tell the difference.

Also included are incidents that answer some of the questions people have asked me and as in

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The First Incident

This is the first incident that I discovered and the first hint that something unusual had taken place.Later I would be able to remember many incidents from earlier life that I had put out of mind because Ihad never been able to make any sense out of them.

Trying to Fish

We had rented a place in a small resort on The Lake of the Ozarks. I had tried some boat fishing butwith no luck. Shore fishing was good. Some time in the morning of Thursday, May 13, 1999, I wasplanning to go boat fishing. I had tried to talk my wife into going with me but she did not want to go.For some reason, I felt guilty about going alone. Therefore, I prayed, “Lord, if you wish to use me orme and my boat to help someone, please do so.”

I believe that I left after lunch at around 2:00 PM. On the way, even though I had planned where togo, I was mixed up several times so I was delayed in getting to there. The reason I was mixed up issome-what of a mystery. I basically knew where I was, but could not find Pin Oak Hollow Cove. I thinka landmark that had a sign saying that it was the site of a juvenile detention center threw me offbecause in was not on the map. I finally ran into the water patrol. I asked where Pin Oak Hollow Covewas and they pointed me back to where I had just come from. This time I kept on going.

When I got the back of the cove there was a large white runabout type boat moored in the center andon my left, (the north side of the cove) there were two men in a red bass boat. I asked them if thewhite boat was theirs. One said, “No, but I wish it was.” I then asked them if they knew the name ofthe cove. They did not know. I thought that is what I should do, stop worrying about where I was andgo fish.

I went into a small cove on the south side of the main cove and fished for some time without any luck.The water was very muddy due to wave action against the shore. A strong wind was blowing from thenorth, which made it hard to control the boat. I finally decided I had enough time left to find and fishanother spot. I wanted a small cove on the north side of the lake to avoid the wind and mud. Thiscove’s small coves were all on the south side.

Vanished with No Memory

I used the trolling motor to get to the front portion of the cove; this was to allow enough time to lookat the map before the wind blew me on to the banks of the cove. I put up the trolling motor, went tothe back seat, and sat down. I briefly looked at the scenery, which was mainly bushes some grass andsand, or dirt, a desert like scene. It was clear and the sun brightly shown on the shore and bank. Bythis time, I had figured out where I was, in Pin Oak Hollow Cove.

I then opened my cooler, got the map out, and opened it. What I remember of this action is strange.The sun was shining on the boat. However when the map was partially opened I can remember that itwas shaded almost black. Then it was in the sunlight again. This was not like a shadow passing over it.The mental image seems out of place. Just when I got the map opened, I heard a voice. I pulled themap down and there was a young man in the white boat yelling at me, “Do you know anything aboutthese boats.” I was no longer in the small cove.

Rationalization Begins

I was in the main cove, Pin Oak Hollow Cove, in front of the large white boat I had seen on my way towhere I fished, about 200 yards from where I was. (Approximate distance as measured on a



Microsoft® computer map) It turns out that the three young people in it could not get their boatstarted.

I rationalized that the boat had drifted to this spot. This is not possible as the wind was blowing intothe small cove. I noticed that the color of the water had changed from muddy to clear and that theshadows were longer and part of the white boat was in the shade. At the time I was in the small cove,the shadows were much shorter. I ignored the shadows but remembered change of the water frommuddy to clear with no problem.

I had to admit that I knew nothing about their kind of boat but thought I might be able to help andput the trolling motor down and went over and asked some questions. I talked about the kill switch butthey did not know what that was. I figured there was not much I could do, so handed the young manwho had called to me my cell phone. He did not know how to operate it so he handed it back. I dialedthe number for him and gave him the cell phone. His dad suggested that I tow the boat. I had notbelieved that I could tow a boat that large, but decided to try. It worked quite well.

A short time into the tow I punched in a waypoint into my GPS. At the end of the tow, I did the samething. These points were made just in case I needed them to locate where I was. As it turns out at thetime, they were not needed and I forgot about them. When I got to their dock I decided to take off, asI did not want them to think I wanted any money or favors. I think boaters should help boaters. On theway home, I noticed that the sun was much lower than what in my mind was only a short time ago. Ireasoned that it could have taken along time to tow the boat. I would later learn that this was not thecase.

It Begins to Dawn

In the days following this, I began to realize that I had been moved to the site of the boat by someunusual means but I could not figure out how. I began to think that the Lord had done something toget me there just at the right time, after all, I had prayed that if He wished to use me to do so. Inaddition, the opening of the map was completed at the second site. I then proceeded to forget thematter. I some times wish I could do that now.

A Year Later

Some time in May 2000, a year later, the whole thing came back and began to bother me. I thenconcluded that I had “appeared out of nowhere” and that likely someone on the boat had probablyseen it. I also became convinced that it had happened instantly. I speculated that someone on the boathad prayed for help and some one else had said something as if they would not believe that God senthelp unless the person appeared out of now where.

This egotistical fantasy called for suppressing many of the observations I had made. However, I had notrouble recalling the color of the water changing from muddy to the dark clear color of the main lake.This fact supported my instant position change conclusion. [I have now concluded that I am notcompletely at fault in suppressing these memories. See “Memory Analysis” below.] However, I could notget it off my mind. There were too many unanswered questions. One thing that bothered me is thatGod usually does not work outside of the natural laws.

I wanted to find the people I had towed and talk to them. At first, I tried a post on Odd Net at theLake of the Ozarks. Those on the site kept asking me what I wanted to ask them. When I told them, itcaused a stir. One suggested that I look at the telephone bill. He said that the number would be onthere.

Denial Destroyed

Finding What I Feared to Find

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Part of me did not want to find any facts that might change my assumptions. However, I still wantedthe truth. I finally got up enough nerve in July of 2000 to find the bill. The number was not on it. Iknew I should call the Phone Company, but proceeded to put that off also. I finally decided to callthem and get the number, date and time. When the lady at the Phone Company said that the time was6:02 PM, I knew instantly that what I had concluded was wrong. She sent me a copy of the bill with theinformation. The date of the cell phone call was May 13, 1999.

There is no way I would plan more fishing at that time before eating. This fact blew my entiredesperate attempt to deny that there was a time delay. I had enough information on alien abductionsto believe that they happen. I had no desire to be abducted. Now I was left with no way to deny thatit may have happened. This forced me to look at the whole thing again and more closely.

A Closer Look

I realized that I should probably talk to the people that were on the boat, but I put that off. Beforedoing so, I decided to call the place I had towed the boat. I was interested in the possibility of stayingthere this fall. When I mentioned that I had towed a boat to his docks in 1999, He went silent.

Making the Call

I then finally got up enough nerve to call the number. This is the record of the call:

Jul 20,2000: I called them at about 7:00 PM and left a message on their answering machine. I praythey call back. This is getting to me.

8:23pm: I just got a call from a Mr. _____. At first he did not remember. When I mentioned that hisson had used my cell phone and called that number he remembered. I got to talk to his son. Theson said he did not know how I got there, but he seemed slightly evasive. He kept saying, “Youwere just there.” However, I got the over all impression that he was sincere. Apparently, I got therebefore anyone saw me. He thinks they arrived in the cove at about 3 to 3:30. I still think that wastheir boat in the cove so maybe my timing is off. I will refigure it.

In thinking about this conversation, I am not sure they were telling me all they knew. I am prayingabout this. Perhaps they were trying to protect themselves. I could certainly understand that. At anyrate, the information gave me a better idea of when I was in the small cove. See the time line on Map2: Getting to the Small Cove below.

The Reexamination

The GPS

In August of 2000, I began to reexamine the whole incident. I went into my GPS program and lookedfor any possible clue. I found the two points I had made during the tow. The points are WPT 109, 13May 99, 8:17 PM and WPT 110 13 MAY 99, 8:31 PM. The time has to be wrong as the cell phone callwas at 6:02 PM. It is unlikely that I set it wrong as I had used the clock feature while we were drivingto The Lake of the Ozarks. It sets it self when first turned on and when it is in a new time zone andcannot find the location. If it reset it self and then held it for some reason, then I was either over theAtlantic Ocean or the east coast depending on whether it went to daylight savings time or standardtime. Unfortunately, I did not keep the GPS trail as it was a confusing trail and I did not realize itsvalue. I did look at the trail there were two straight lines going to the east. One was from the first siteand the other seems to be returning to the second site. The only way the GPS could read while in acraft of some sort was to be near a window of some kind. I have heard of abductees remembering suchwindows. The first sighting I had was of a saucer with windows; see “First Flying Saucer Sighting”below.



Map 1: The remembered GPS trail

I remembered that when I went past the cove I was in I made the first waypoint and at that time, Isaw that all the water was in the shade. When I was in it most of the water was in the sun. This wasone more thing I had ignored. (See Memory Analysis below) Since the cell phone call was made a fewminutes after I got to the white boat at 6:02. The correct time on the last GPS waypoint was 6:31. Thetow itself took 14 minutes plus a minute or two, as I did not punch it in until a few minutes into thetow. I did this just as we came to the small cove I was where I had fished. The figures show that Iwould have averaged a little faster than 6 mph. That matched what I thought we were going. Seemaps below.

Map 2: Getting to the Small Cove



Map 3: the Tow

[The maps above are not GPS trails but estimates drawn with the Microsoft program to help establish atime line]

Mental State

Some have questioned my mental state during this time. It was suggested that my confusion couldhave continued into the time loss and that my praying to be used by God if He wished may haveplayed a role. However, I was quite relaxed even with the mix-up. I have often prayed for God to useme in some way and then proceed to forget it. If God’s Holy Spirit is going to use me, He arranges itwithin His time and way. It is not necessary for me to dwell on it or look for something. I did notrealize that towing the boat could have been an answer to the prayer until much later while I wasthinking about it. I have many such incidents during my life that have not had anything to do withposition changes and time loss. In many such cases, I have not prayed specifically about it. The factthat I was not catching any fish did not cause any stress. I simply started to look for another spot. Thisis quite fortunate, as a confused mental state would have made it difficult to help the three people inthe stalled boat.

Up to this Point

At this point, I knew that there was a time loss of some where between 1½ and 2 hours. I still did notknow what happened during that time. About the only thing I could do is to continue to write thingsdown in order to understand them. Then try to see if I could get help to find out what happened andpray about it. What I did not know was that there was more.

I am sure of this; I did appear out of nowhere. I appeared when they needed me. They may or may nothave seen me arrive. This answered the prayer I made before going fishing. This also fits in with whatthe Holy Spirit does with me to help others, however this is a bit different. See “Beyond the Psychic”below. If there was an abduction then I need to remember Romans 8:28. I kept on praying about thisand tried to get on with my life. This is for sure, as I trust in the Lord, He would not allow anything tohappen to me that is out of His will. Even though I remembered the lines to the east on the GPS, I didnot see their significance until later.



The Third Incident

The third incident was the second discovered and led to finding the second incident. Therefore, I amdiscussing it in the order of discovery. In addition, the third incident is essential to understanding thesecond.

The GPS Provides another Shock

Up to this time I had been reasonably sure that if I had been abducted it was only once. However,while doing some work on the GPS trails for fishing I got another shock. Some time later in August2000, I had found a way to put the trails on my map program. When I put the trail from upper CarlyleLake on the computer map, I got a surprise. It had an odd pattern on it, a rapidly moving curve thattakes me over the railroad track and back! As I looked at it, I remembered that when I had gone underthe bridge I had stopped and opened a map. What I had seen was that there were many stumpssticking out of the water and I needed to find the main channel and as much as possible follow it.Suddenly, without any memory of getting there, I found myself well into the lake section going in thewrong direction. I was quite confused. I remember waving my hands up and down. Because I wasunsure, as to what side of the bridge I was on. I got the map out again and a compass straightenedmyself out and inexplicably proceeded to suppress the seemingly sudden position change. I then gotback to exploring and fishing the area. The date was October 28, 1999. This date came from my fishinglog. This is the only time I fished in this area of Carlyle Lake in a boat I did not remember anythingabout the trip over the tracks, which requires the boat to be airborne! When I looked at the trail on themap the memory of the position change came back as if unlocking a safe and seeing a long forgottenitem. As time went by, I remembered more details of the position change.

The degree on confusion and disorientation is reflected in what I did. A compass is not needed on thenorth side of Carlyle’s railroad bridge. All one has to do is to line the map up with the bridge. I shouldhave known what side of the bridge I was on by the many stumps sticking above the water. Howsomeone can suppress an event of this magnitude I did not know but in several of the cases I haveread about this is exactly what happens. As in these incidents, it took many months or over a yearbefore something jarred my memory.



Map 4: The Carlyle Lake GPS Trail

The dotted lines on this and the next map are actual GPS points imported from the GPS program. I donot think that the two-dimensional trail gives a correct picture. (See “Drawing 1: The Curve” below) Ithink that the start of the curve is on the ground and the end of it is high in the air and the slightundulating pattern of the curve seems to indicate that the boat was spiraling as it went upward.

Photo of the Bridge and Railroad

The trees extend most of the way to Keyesport. The GPS trail path must have been higher than thetrees. The first leg of the curve probably went over the trees shown or close to them. Note the size ofthe boats in comparison to the bridge.

The Second Incident

Another GPS Pattern

I then decided to search the saved GPS trails for other possible patterns like this. I found one atanother place on the Lake of the Ozarks made during our fall vacation there. It was October 14, 1999,just two weeks before the Carlyle incident. As soon as I saw the curve and the gap, my memory of theevent came back as with the Carlyle incident.

According to my fishing log, I left the dock at 2:03 PM. I fished along the bank as shown on the mapbefore the curve. The trail shows that I went to another spot along the bank and fished it and goingback to fish it a second time. I then turned around and went south again. The trail slows down and thecurve begins. I only remember the fishing, but not the pausing. [I recently got a memory flash ofgetting my map out and looking over my shoulder at the bluff I intended to fish at. If this is correctthen each time involved opening up a map.] At the next point, what I remember is straightening up asif I had just closed the cooler. I then looked at the bank, which was further away, and different andthought, “The scenery has changed.” I then suppressed this, looked around and noticed that I wasfairly close to where I wanted to go, so I started the motor and went to do something more importantthan worry about scenery changes, fish. I had another “traumatic” event that day. I accidentally castone of my best rods into the lake. I could remember that right away and could recall it anytime Iwanted but the memory of the position change was locked until I saw the GPS trail that recorded it.



Map 5: The Lake of the Ozarks GPS Trail

Notice that the GPS points on the curve and other lines seem to be missing some points. This is exactlythe case. When there are too many points for the GDM-16® program to copy it “thins” some of theintermediate points.

Drawing 1: The Carlyle GPS Curve



Time Loss

In both of these cases, at first, there was no sense of time loss. It appears that the position changesoccurred earlier in the afternoon or were of shorter duration so that time loss was not as noticeable asin the first case. When I fish, I loose track of time until it becomes obvious. I might briefly look at mywatch to see how much time is left but then I will forget it. As time went by, I realized that bothafternoons went faster than normal. It is not possible to determine the length of time, but I believethey were both at least an hour.

A Possible IncidentIn some other sections of this document, I dismiss this as an example of Selective Availability.However, I simply cannot forget the fact that during this time I did experience a position change. Itinvolved only a few yards and I can clearly remember turning to my right and then from the otherposition turning to my left in the boat. This was a few yards apart in the same cove. The picturesbelow show the trail. The first one is on a map with dots. The second one shows the GDM16 version ofthe same area. It is easy to see why I cannot be sure of this. My guess is that this is an abortedattempt and I never actually was abducted. The group on the South West corner are the last numbersand may be the apartment we stayed at.

One difference stands out. The trolling motor was running both before and after the position change.Perhaps this effected whatever they use to transport things to their craft. I may have been fortunate tohave been set down without injury.

Now What?

This is the last of the discoveries to this point of the narrative. What I needed to do next was toanalyze and evaluate these events. In short, I need to sort things out. However, I think it is appropriateto include a section on interpreting the GPS information.

GPS InformationWhat is a GPS?



If the person reading this is not a fisherman, hunter or someone else familiar with a GPS (GlobalPositioning System) it might be a good idea to briefly describe what these are. A GPS receiver picks upsignals from Global Positioning Satellites giving the position in map coordinates. Many now have a builtin map. Mine does not. All can build routes by putting waypoints into the unit. A trail forms on thescreen as you travel. This can be followed back. Hunters, fishermen and hikers find these very useful.There are also systems with maps that can be installed in a car. [Today many cars come with theminstalled] Since waypoints can be put into routes, I can build my own little maps. As noted in “The GPSProvides another Shock” above, the trails can be put on computer maps for study.

Different GPS Units

Before buying the GPS, I did some research. The cheaper units had fewer channels and less accuracywith corresponding problems. Mine was one of the best non-map units available at the time. The oneswith maps were, for me at least, too expensive. Today a map unit can be purchased for about thesame, as I paid for the Eagle Exhibition II. A cheap unit is more prone to inaccurate trails and suddenlosses of position than the better ones. Considering the unusual use, that this unit has been put to it isa good thing I bought a better unit.

GPS Trail Analysis

The trails must be used carefully

In looking at the various GPS trails, I saw that if one wished one could find evidence of abductions atevery break in the points or every move caused by Selective Availability. (See Could the Curves beSelective Availability? below) For me a suspicious trail is not enough. I need a clear memory of whatoccurred and as of now a distinct pattern, a curve and a point away from where I was. There is ofcourse a possibility of some thing different may have occurred but I want more that just a suspicioustrail. [I remember no curve with the May 13, 1999 incident, just two straight lines going to the east]

The important consideration here is that more is needed than a GPS trail. Without the memories ofposition, changes there would be nothing to convince me these were abductions. In my case withoutthe trails with curves and gaps, I would be more willing to rationalize that these were simple memorylapses. Then, however, it would seem that a normal boat trail would be present in both of theseincidents. In short, the trails and the memories worked together.

A Critical Look

Here I try to look at the trails as someone else would. The trail from the Lake of the Ozarks by it self iscompletely meaningless. The curve or arch is over the water and could be done with a boat. However, Ido not think I have the skill to do it. I might be able to make a trail like this is if I worked at it. Theback and forth lines to the left of the curve look as if they start and stop immediately. This is usuallycaused by the delay in updating the points. As I remember I was going back to fish the area again. Thepoints are five seconds apart. This would not show the boat turning in a tight turn. At that time I keptthe GPS on the side of the boat either up on the top of the flotation box or down beside it. If it fell orturned over there could be a gap in the trail. Without the Carlyle trail and the personal knowledge thatin the next location I noticed that the scenery had changed this trail would not mean much.

The Carlyle trail is diagnostic. The curve goes over the tracks. The speed of the curve, represented bythe distance between the points, is far too great for this area full of stumps unless one is sure they arein the river channel. On that day SA (Selective Availability) was not a factor, the rest of the trail waswell within the normal tolerances.



Could the Curves be Selective Availability?

Some may try to debunk my contention that the curves on the GPS trails show an abduction incident bycontributing it to SA, Selective Availability. My reasons for discounting SA are as follows:

For those who are not familiar with a GPS, Selective Availability (SA) is the built in errors that come andgo from the satellites used by the GPS receiver. The system was originally designed for military use andthe military was trying to keep people from pin pointing military sites. I have plenty of experience withthis phenomenon and examples on saved trails. There was never a pattern quite like this among them.Selective Availability usually either produces a wrong position for a while or confuses the GPS, whichoften looses itself and then later finds the position creating gaps in the trails. In fact there would be nopurpose in going off and coming right back as the above trails shows. Some times while going slowlythe GPS trails become jerky and there are points here and there. Today things have changed andSelective Availability has been turned off.

Another source of gaps is pinning. This feature was designed to overcome some of the effects of SA.When still SA would sometimes move the point slowly, pinning would correct this. What happens if oneslows down too much the GPS thinks you are still and holds the position until it realizes you havemoved. This causes many of the small gaps. It also can create some large gaps particularly whiletrolling.

I talked on the phone with an Eagle representative and she used her GPS regularly. She confirmedwhat I already had guessed, that there were good GPS days and bad GPS days. On the day I made theCarlyle trail there was no evidence of SA. It was a good GPS day. The trail made at the Lake of theOzarks did show some signs of SA. There did not appear to be any during the period of the curve andreturn. I noticed some later at the point I lost my rod. In fact, the rod is positioned in the cliff accordingto the GPS. My main reasons for discounting SA are that I have never seen a perfect parabolic curveduring SA and I have a clear memory of a position change. SA patterns are usually erratic.

Despite the statements I have read, without SA, the satellites are still not perfectly steady and somesmall movement can be detected while standing still. However, every day is a good GPS day.

An Example of Selective Availability

Here is an example of Selective Availability that I knew about at the time. It is from a trip to theKaskaskia River. As I was traveling back from fishing this oxbow, I can remember the route and thescenery. There are no position changes. I can remember noticing that the lower trail seemed too faraway and into the south shore, what I did not realize, as the GPS has no map, that the upper trail wasinaccurate. On the right side of the map, the trails appear to be on land. I do not consider this aproblem, as the maps are not completely accurate. Note that the speed changes are less than atCarlyle.

Can the Trails be Faked?

I am sure that there is some way to fake the trails. Trying to fake the trails with as many points as Ihave would be very time consuming. In addition, if the map program itself were sent to some one, theycould find the source of the points. The source of the points is listed in the properties of the particularpushpin sets. If the trail were faked on the map itself, the points would be listed as hand matched tothe map. Of course, I put pushpins on travel maps in that manner all the time in order to plan for atrip. The only thing I can do is tell the reader is what I know, that is that these trails are not faked andthat they have been downloaded from the GPS computer program by way of an Excel spreadsheet tothe map program. I certainly would not want to hand match over a thousand GPS points to the map.The Carlyle trail on the GDM16 ® program has 1099 points. What is shown is a close-up section of thetrail.



My GPS draws a line from one point to another automatically. Therefore, if there is a gap it fills it in.To duplicate this on some trails for fishing purposes I had filled in some of the gaps for clarity. Later Ithought it best, for the purposes of this report, not to alter the trails in any way. All trails in thisnarrative are unaltered.

A Debunker’s Response

For the fun of it, I put the Carlyle GPS trail on one of the sites. I used About.com, as attachments arepossible. The comment I made was; “Can an abduction be recorded on a GPS?” Some commentsindicated that the trail was convincing to some. One of the responses came from a debunker. It manyways it was laughable. When I responded and asked for some specifics, he stopped posting. He evenrepresented himself in his profile as an agent of the Air Force. I found another profile on him where helists himself as a former Air Force agent. It was plain from his response that he may have read up onGPS’s but he exaggerated the errors greatly. He sounded somewhat convincing but his statementsrevealed that he did not know the difference between a 2D and 3D fix. There were other errors andexaggerations. Anyone who uses a GPS on a regular basis would have seen through what he said. Hereis his posting. My comments are in italics.

Thanks for your reply. Are you aware that there are times when GPS hickups occur where the clocks are resynced from theground?

I asked for specifics here there was no response. I doubt that they’re very many times that theclocks are set. My unit gets its time from the satellites and is very accurate. If there are, the“hiccups” are not likely to be as large as the curves that took place during the memory loss portionof the position changes. [I now know that the Carlyle curve took six and one half minutes tocomplete making it impossible to be a time change]

SA has been off for some time now but it can be activated whenever desired.

What the debunker does not mention is that SA is now local in use. The object is to prevent aprecise fix on a restricted site. It is no longer used in general.

Anomalies in GPS include errors (especially cross track) that can result in erroneous fixes. Forexample if your receiver locks three satellites and loses one as it nears horizon or is blocked bysomething the receiver will lose 3D coherence. This results in positional and altitude error. Then aquick pop up of a satellite can suddenly shift your GPS location back or elsewhere.

This would only happen with a very cheap GPS. Mine is a 12-channel receiver and almost nevergives me a fix with less than six satellites. Here the debunker trips up, it takes a four satellites fixto get a 3D fix and the trails are all 2D and do not need a 3D fix. The loss of a 3D fix will notcause a problem with the trail.

I would concentrate on your state of mind at the time of the incident more than the GPSinformation.

Believe me I did. My state of mind was to fish and explore, in short to relax and have fun. Inaddition, as I mention below that the brain scan my doctor had me get was normal.

Take care. With the available differential codes from the Coast Guard stations your GPS error andaccuracy would be minimal and positional data extremely high. You might consider enhancing yourreceiver to receive those signals. Far less chance of error.

I am already aware of available and expensive DGPS receivers. The present accuracy is adequateto for my purposes including recording an occasional boat flight.

Bye!



The typical response of an egotistical debunker, he believes his statements are irrefutable andtherefore there is no reason to wait around for a response.

Sorting Things OutReview

What I know so far is that there were three unusual events while fishing during 1999 involving suddenposition changes and some time loss with no memory of what happened between the position changes.Two of these are confirmed by GPS trails.

Things in Common

All were while I was in my boat.

All were on major lakes in this area.

All occurred during times when no one else was in sight.

All occurred on a Thursday.

All days were sunny.

I was paused to look at a map or paused for some other reason when my attention was in the boat. [Irecently had a memory flash of looking at a map during the last Lake of the Ozarks incident. It was tofind a fishing hot spot. This means in all cases I paused to look at a map.]

I was not anchored.

Both motors were off.

I was fairly near the shore.

The new position that I found myself in was always further from the shore than the first position.

The new position was always is the same basic area of the lakes I was in. (I guess these whateverpractice catch and release)

I forgot all or some of the details of the position changes in each case.

I needed something to unlock these memories. The first case involved a phone record; the other twowere unlocked by seeing the GPS trails on computer maps.

On the days these occurred, I caught no fish. I have no idea if anyone else did or not.

Even though there may be some significance with the things in common, there is an equal possibilitythat there is none. For instance, I have not been able to convince myself that these occur only onThursdays.

Not Blackouts or Normal Memory Loss

I told my doctor about these position changes and he sent me for a brain wave test. He thought Imight be having black outs. When the test results came back normal he did not have a clue as what to



do. In all three of these cases, there were no blackouts. I have blacked out when getting up out a chairtoo fast, usually after coughing heavily. I have a clear memory of the times I blacked out. It is like afade out in a movie. I have the same memory from being put out for operations. I can also rememberopening my eyes when waking up. There was nothing like this during these instances. This is onereason I had no sensation of time loss. As an older person, I suppose some one might wonder if I hada short-term memory loss. Well except for some medications during operations, I have never hadproblems with these. In the two cases that a medication caused short-term memory loss, I canremember the fade out just as when being put out by anesthesia. In the two cases of driving hypnosis Ihad, I clearly knew that time had passed.

The first incident is strange in that I started doing something in the first location and finished it in thesecond location giving the impression of a smooth transition. I started opening the map in the smallcove and got it open in the main cove in front of the boat that was there. This meant that I started asimple task in one place and completed it about one and one half-hours later in another place as if ithad never been interrupted!

Obvious Questions

To answer obvious questions, I remember clearly that at no time while I have been fishing have I everhad any periods of confusion, dizziness, or other symptoms out side of the three position changes. Inthe three incidents, I found myself in another location there was certainly some confusion but I quicklyreoriented and went about normal tasks, fishing in two cases and helping the three people in the boatin the other.

A Not So Obvious Question

It may be normal to reorient and then go about normal tasks but it is not normal to forget completelyan event as unusual as these were. The first one where I helped three people in a boat wasremembered. I could not recall the other two until I was reminded by the GPS trails. Then and thenonly was I able to recall the events and the details surrounding them. In the first incident, Iremembered the position change, but suppressed the evidence of a time loss. Until, that is, I called thePhone Company and got the time and date of the phone call, then I began to recall all the things I hadseen that should have made me realize that there was a time loss. At the time, that I first realizedthere was a time loss I blamed myself for ignoring the evidence Now, however, I am not sure that I amcompletely responsible. I certainly did not want to believe that there was a time loss but it seems thatit took a record in all these cases to jar the memories loose. There are many unpleasant events in mylife that I can easily recall. Therefore, I can only believe that this is one more example of mindtampering on the part of the abductors.

Not the Desired Conclusion

I was not hoping to find more evidence of possible abductions but I would rather have truth than avoidfacing it. These made me angry. My fishing was interrupted and it is possible that the presence ofwhatever was responsible for these position changes and time losses affect the fish. I did not catch asingle fish on those days. Okay, okay maybe that is just another excuse. What displeased me the mostis the fact that these things, which happened to me, were out of my control, with out my permission,and my memory of them was taken from me. I wanted to know what happened during those missingtimes. No, I was not positive they were abductions. If they were not, I wanted to know what they were.Not some guess but for sure, if that is possible. If they were, I wanted to know just what went on andI think that is possible. After that, I was looking for some action or method to stop this type of thingfrom happening to others and myself. First, I needed to understand what these things or beings are.[Since writing this I have recalled two memory images that make me very sure that these wereabductions. See Memory Images below]



I have to be very careful to look at all the facts. As I get the facts, the conclusions, theories andspeculation may change. That is the way it is when one is looking for truth. When our minds are madeup, we tend to ignore new facts that could get in the way of our conclusions. The time to make up ourminds is when new facts consistently continue to confirm the conclusion.

For many years I used to joke about the “little men” on the UFO’s I would say, “I have an agreementwith them. I do not bother them and they do not bother me.” I never expected to be abducted nor didI ever wish to be.

Memory Analysis

Locked or blocked memories

Even though I might have been motivated to suppress some memories as noted above I found astrange pattern in what, at first, I could not remember.

1. In the first incident at the Lake of the Ozarks where I towed the boat the incident was too strong tosuppress or forget, however I could not remember any details that would show that there was a timeloss.

2. In the next two incidents, I could not remember anything of the position changes or the thoughts orreactions to them.

3. When these memories were unlocked or the blocks by passed by the phone call and GPS trails, theneverything came back as if I had never forgotten them.

What I suspect is that if these were abductions then the abductors had something to do with blockingthese memories. [Based on what I have learned and recalled since writing this, I am now sure that thealiens do affect memory in abductees]

Or is it something else?

In David M. Jacobs’, book The Threat, I found a new term, “blank.” The alien tells the abductee thatthey will insert a blank in their minds. I wondered if this was something like erasing a file. All that iserased is the name of the file. When recovering these I found that the first letter had been replacedwith a question mark. I realized that if I changed the name by removing one letter or inserting a spacethat all the shortcuts and other means of locating the file would be of no use. The only way I could findthe file would be to either search or find it in the folder. It would seem then all they have to do isinsert a blank space in the path to the memory and then replace it at the next abduction. Thisencourages me to try again to recover the memories.

Memory Image Analysis

One of ways in which we remember is mental images of what we saw. However, we need to distinguishbetween mental images of what we actually saw and images that we created in our minds. Forinstance, I have two images of what happened at the second Lake of the Ozarks incident. One is frommy view as I see myself straightening up, looking around, seeing the scenery, and realizing it hadchanged. This total mental video is from my viewpoint. I have another image of myself doing the samething but from a near by viewpoint. I call this a “descriptive image” or visualization of what actuallyhappened but from a viewpoint other than my own eyes. This is basically the same thing as talkingabout an event. We certainly do not commentate about an event as it occurs. However, later we do.

Other types of mental images are visualizations of anything we might be thinking about, anticipatingwhat might occur, or what things might be like. Dream images are another. For me it is usually nothard to distinguish between the different types, although there are some that seem to fall into a gray



area. In remembering something important such as these incidents or memories that relate to witnesstestimony, we have to be very careful to distinguish between memory images.

Recalling the Truth

I have made a study of reasoning processes, using mainly observation. What I noticed was that whenevents of a traumatic, unusual or simply complex nature occur the person does not remember theevent in detail immediately. For instance if a person witnesses a crime, each time they think on it or tellabout it the story will change slightly. Defense attorneys jump on this kind of thing. However, what ishappening is that the subconscious mind brings forth details and helps put the event into proper orderif the individual is struggling to understand and remember correctly. What we remember on the spotare the needed important highlights of a recent event. One very noticeable aspect of this is that theperson while in the incident sees and remembers aspects which he, at the time and shortly after, doesnot understand. In the first incident, I saw that the shadows had grown longer in what I perceived tobe only a few minutes. The significance of this was not noticed until a year later. However, I saw it andcould recall it and reason about it at a later time. So if it is noticed that some of person’s story seemsto change do not be so sure he is lying or making things up.

In cases of alien abduction, this is especially noticeable as the aliens tried to completely block thememories and they are very traumatic and difficult to understand.

Making Some Headway

I found that I could not really “sort things out” with out some study and help. I have made someheadway in resolving this thing, but I have a long way to go. I tried to find a therapist. (See “TheTherapist” below) I also went to the net looking for some sensible answers. These were not easy tofind, but I found some sites with good information and have been corresponding with a few people.Some of the information that is commonly asked for is in the next sections.

Answering the QuestionsThis section tries to answer most of the questions I get when answering questionnaires orcorresponding with experts in this field.

Sighting History

First Flying Saucer Sighting

Seeing is Believing

My first sighting was probably between June 1958 and September 1958 The sighting was in theevening after dark from the main street of Fargo, ND leading to Moorhead, MN. I worked in Fargo,lived, and went to college in Moorhead. I saw what I thought was a reflection in my car window in theshape of a flying saucer. I thought, “That’s how people see flying saucers, they see reflections in theirwindows and think they’re flying saucers.” Within less than a minute I realized what even today’s“experts” have over looked. “People are not that stupid.”

I looked again at the “reflection,” it was not doing what reflections do, and it sure looked like a flyingsaucer. To be sure, I stuck my head out of the window. I then continued to drive home. This was inthe direction of the saucer, so I was driving directly toward it. This is not because I was chasing it oranything. It just happened to be in front of me.



The saucer was due east from my car, hovering appearing to be absolutely still. It was a classic saucermuch like others I have seen in drawings made by witnesses. It was visible only in its own light, whichwent around similar to a lighthouse. The optical diameter was about one and one half the diameter ofthe moon. (This rules out Venus) At first, it was low near the horizon, probably about 10 degrees.

I observed it for about 15 minutes. When I turned South on the road to my trailer park it “followed” meas the moon follows us when we drive at night. This meant that it was quite a distance from me. I amnot good at guessing altitude but it was about 45 degrees above the horizon when I got home. As faras I could see, it was hovering in one place. However, my drive toward it was several miles and it didnot appear to get larger.

Not Exactly Exciting

I got out of my car and got a good look, there was no sound. I then went in side to get my binoculars.When I got out it was gone or had turned its light out. I shrugged, “So now you have seen a flyingsaucer, everyone and his twin brother has seen a flying saucer.” I then proceeded to ignore it until thelittle weekly Moorhead newspaper came out. There on the bottom of the front page was a small articlein titled, “Flying Saucer Sighted.” The article stated that seven people had reported it to the“authorities.” I was not one of them. My guess is hundreds might have seen it.

The flying saucer I saw, illustrated below, was what I would call a garden-variety flying saucer muchlike others I had seen drawn in articles of sightings. It was not very exciting. I did not become a UFOhunter or get obsessed with them. I remember no time problem or position shift. Later I did watchProject Blue Book on TV. What I did not realize was the effect this sighting would have on my life.

["I shrugged, “So now you have seen a flying saucer, everyone and his twin brother has seen a flying saucer."]

The Next Two Sightings

The second and third sightings were both from the St. Louis Metro East area, very near the junction ofHighway 64 and 157. The time is some where in the Eighties while I was working on the night shift atFarmers’ Home Administration.

The Second Sighting

We had a car pool at the time. When I arrived at the park and ride, the lady in our car pool was visiblydisturbed. She stated she had seen a UFO. She pointed out a star and a short distance from it a light,star size, with what appeared to be lights going from left to right. It was clearly not a normal star.



When we got to work, I told her I believed she had seen a UFO and told here about my first flyingsaucer sighting. She seemed better after that.

The Third Sighting

Not long after the second sighting, I was driving to work alone and passed the same site. I looked upto the right and saw a large object flying just over the treetops. It had red, blue and green lights goingaround it, presumably attached to its edge. It was dark and I could see only the lights. They rotatedfrom left to right and were of pure color. As any photographer knows red, blue and green are theprimary colors of light. The object appeared to be banking to its left (south). When I first saw it, it wastraveling west. I was on Highway 157 going north near Highway 64.

I was tired. I took one look, turned away and said to myself, “If I ignore that thing maybe it will goaway.” I then proceeded to work.

To Answer the Usual Questions

In relation to these sightings, I recall no time loss or place changes. When going home I wouldprobably have noticed if I had lost time, as it was late already. With the next two sightings, I was onmy way to work. I would have noticed and remembered if I had arrived late.

I did not take any of these sightings seriously. Today I think I would look at them a bit differently; Iwould probably get out, get a good look and take notes. I would also report to one or more to thereporting agencies on the Net or other agency if I were working with them. (As noted below that didnot happen except to report the incident)

Recent Sightings

This report was filed on the net 9/1/01 at about 11:00 AM to NUFORC.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2001, I was fishing on the lake on the Washington County Conservation Centernear Nashville Illinois with a friend. Some time in the early afternoon probably about 1:00 PM I heardwhat I thought was jet noise and looked up. There was a long narrow object silver in color with whatappeared to be windows on the bottom. However, there appeared to be no wings or tail. I woulddescribe this as a long cigar shape. It seemed longer than most airliner fuselages.

I proceeded to rationalize this away thinking that I could just not see the wings. I thought that thelighting made them blend against the sky. For that reason, I did not tell my friend about it. I looked atit for only a few minutes.

I have since thought about it and realized that I would have seen any wings. The sun was high in thesky and I would have seen the shaded bottom of the wings not to mention the engines. In addition,there are two major airports near the area. Therefore, jet noise is common. The jet noise did not seemto be coming from the object.

The final thing that came out of my mind was that the object was not moving in relation to the clouds.Airlines have to fly they cannot hover. It was too solid in appearance and too long to be a blimp.

I told my friend about this later and he asked me to let him know if I see anything like that when he iswith me.

Once again, my first reaction was to try to deny what I saw. I wonder if I have another sighting orexperience if I will react differently. I hope that I will.

Late in 2002, while in my wife’s car driving towards O’Fallon, Illinois, I saw what appeared to be atriangle. It was moving in an even fashion. Since it was at night, I saw only the lights. There was onelarge red light in the middle that blinked and slightly smaller white lights forming a triangle that wereon steady. I thought at the time that it could be a stealth bomber, so did not note the date. Later I gota good look at stealth fighters on TV and they have smaller strobing lights. I also found that thedescription fits other reports of triangles.



5/22/03. On the way back from fishing at Washington County on Highway 64 in Illinois, I saw a cylinderUFO flying fast enough to leave a contrail. The time was about 6:45 PM. The contrail was split in twopieces so I thought it had to be a plane, but I could see no wings, tail or engine. It was quite long andappeared to be just under the high stratus clouds. It was silver in color and appeared to have structure,but I saw no markings. My wife was with me, but I did not point it out to her, as it was straight up andwould have interfered with her driving. We were approaching O’Fallon and were probably nearest toLebanon. I reported this to Filers and NUFORC on 5/25/2003. I left a phone message with NUFORC. Ispotted a cylinder UFO of a different shape Tuesday, June 29, 2004 about three in the afternoon. Itwas silver in color and tapered the entire length.

The location is Carlyle Lake at the Hazlet State Park area in Southern Illinois near St. Louis Missouri.The object was very high and moving at what appeared to be faster than an airliner at that height. Mywife and I were fishing at the time. I tried to show it to her, but she was unable to see it. Shortly afterthat, I lost sight of it. It was too far for a photo. This is the third cylinder UFO I have seen in this areabut the others were of a different shape, even in size for most of their length and then tapered at theends.

Childhood

Dreams and Night Things

I had dreams of flying, falling and appearing in other places. The flying took place at St. James,Minnesota. I was probably six to ten years old. I remember being in my back yard. I would jump a littleand then float down, then jump again higher until I could just fly. At times, I had the impression thatsomeone was with me, but I do not know whom. The days were always cloudy, overcast, but not dark.It seemed that there was a lot of moisture in the air. One of the memories of flying from my back yardseemed more real than the dreams. I even saw things on the ground that I could not see from groundlevel only while in flight.

I had dreams of being floated in a “sea” of colored-lighted balls. I seem to remember these while welived at Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. I was probably in my teens then.

I also remember hearing music played directly into my ears while in my bed at night. As far as I cantell, I was awake. The music was of a classical nature. It was if someone or something was playingdirectly on my ears. None of this was frightening; in fact, it was fun. I seem to remember that this wasat Detroit Lakes.

An “Imaginary” Flying Saucer

I “invented” my own flying saucer. I always thought it was just a kid’s dream but recently I read thatone abductee was taken to the engine room of a UFO and shown that it was driven by large magnets.The flying disk I dreamed up used flywheels of magnets to power it. There was one large wheel on theoutside and within two smaller wheels one on top of the other on the inside. The wheels were turned inthe opposite directions at high speeds. When the inner wheels were moved, the vehicle moved. Themagnets were arranged in such a way as to increase the efficiency so it took very little energy to run it.I called it the Momentum Magnetic Disk. At certain high speeds, the molecular structure of the disk andof its occupants changed so it was invisible and could go through other objects. The craft had oneproblem. Between its visible and invisible state it became dangerous. Anything including air thattouched it exploded. At that stage, it could be used as a weapon. In my imaginings, I would go throughthis state as fast as I could. Until now I figured it was just my personal science fiction. As of now I amnot so sure. However unless proven otherwise I will continue to believe that this idea and the dreamswere the products of an active imagination. What bothers me is that two very close relatives came up,on their own, with the same idea. The music, however, seemed very real and the colored light dreamswere very vivid.

The Missing Truck



In 1938 when I was four years old, my sister and I stayed with my aunt. I remember vividly looking outthe window at a building. Cars would drive behind it and come out the other side. One time a truckgoing fast drove behind the building and never came out. There was no way for it to stop or turn. Untilnow, I had no explanation for this. Now I think I could have been abducted and returned withoutmemory to the same spot.

There is a possibility that my aunt was mixed up with the occult. My sister and I were introduced to theouija board. I played with it some, but did not like it.

The Usual Questions

When I correspond or talk to investigators and therapists, I get a series of questions. I will try to coverthose that I do not answer else where in this section.

Just before and After the Position Changes

I have answered most of these questions with “no” but one must be aware that all of these took placewhile I was fishing and all while I was paused in order to concentrate on something in the boat such aslooking at a map While actually fishing I am aware of what is around me, but the awareness is focusedon what effects the fishing.

1. Lights in thesky: No

2.Unusualbeings oranimals:

No

3. Strangesounds: No, but I have a high tone-hearing defect.

4. Odors: No

5.Marks orcuts &scratchesafterwards:

No, but I have never checked. I do have a nosebleed problem. (I havesince found some small marks that I cannot explain, but these could beanything) I also remember finding some scabs on the top of my headthat I cannot account for.

6. Nausea: No. I probably would have noticed that.

7. Tinnitus When younger probably in my teens I had a problem with ringing in myear. It was a high steady sound.

8. Confused &disoriented.

Yes, particularly after the Carlyle incident and a little with the others.However, I recovered quickly in all cases.

9. Dreams ofaliens

Except for one recent dream where a person seemed to becomesomething else, looking slightly like an alien, I have no memory ofdreams involving aliens. (See “Dreams and Night things” above)



10. Sleepdisturbances

I have had some trouble sleeping at times. I don’t know if there is anyconnection. I do have a habit that comes from childhood of keeping aflashlight handy. In fact, I have three available at all times. I take twowhen I go on trips for night use.

11. Fears andanxieties

I have had periods of being anxious, but these seemed to be jobrelated. I now get slightly anxious when I find that no one else is insight while fishing. However, this did not occur until after I found out Iprobably had been abducted. If I am really into the fishing or thescenery then I am unaware of any anxiety or fear and stop looking up atthe sky.

12. DepressionAt times, I might be slightly depressed. I have more problems since Iretired. However, others notice it more than I do. This may havenothing to do with the abductions.

13. Interest inUFO’s

See “An “Imaginary” Flying Saucer” above. I have always beeninterested in space travel. Years after my first sighting I studied UFO’sfor a while. I did not get obsessed with the subject. I do rememberwatching a movie about abductions, which I now know, was quiterealistic. I remember being somewhat ill at ease while watching it. I hadsimilar feelings watching the movie about Barney and Betty Hill.

The Psychic

Later Childhood Experiences

Fire in the Mind

When about twelve I was riding my bicycle and in my mind saw a fire. I knew that some one hadsomething happen, but I felt that the fire was symbolic. Later I learned that some family members hadbeen involved in an auto accident at the time I saw the fire.

Gambling

In one case while at Catholic school in Chicago I tried to mentally stop a wheel of fortune with my mindto help a friend win. I was successful. I could not do it for my self however. In another case, I learnedhow to win at bingo. I consistently won by getting the “right feeling:” at the last number needed. Ibegan to think this might be wrong and I quit.

Early Adult Experiences

Gambling

In my second time in the Army, I spent time playing cards with buddies. I found that if I shuffled thecards until they “felt” right that I could win every time I shuffled. I soon got tired of that and began todecide who would win and shuffled for them. It worked every time. I had already decided that tryinganything like that for money was totally out and after a short time quit this and just played for funagain.



Mental Projection

I slowly began to realize that I could project thoughts into other people’s minds. An early case was inhigh school where a man was looking for some chairs to seat a crowd of students in the schoolauditorium. There were chairs behind him but he did not realize it. I instinctively projected an image ofthe chairs to him and he almost instantly turned and saw them. I reasoned that this was natural andlikened it to realizing that someone is staring at the back of your neck. Indeed, I had fun staring atsome one’s neck and watching them soon turn around.

After I got married, my wife and I played mental games with one another. Mostly if she or I wanted todo something as eat out, we would project the thought to the other. It was quite effective. Later Ibegan to explain to my children how to do this. I very much regret that.

The second time I was in the Army I practiced this quite a bit, to the point of influencing friends to dothings by that method. I viewed it as a game. However, when one found out what I was doing he wasnot happy and denied that I had had any influence on him even though he bought every mentalsuggestion I made. As I think back, I would not want a friend that mentally influenced me.

Later in the retail business, I became a “psychic sales man” using mental suggestion to get people tobuy items. I soon learned that the character of the person had a great deal to do with whether or notthe suggestions worked. Strong individuals did not let such things bother them even acting as if theyknew what I was doing. Others, particularly those who were trying to make up their minds were verysuggestible.

One day a little lady came in to buy a roll of film. I did what I usually did, held up two rolls of film andasked how many she wanted. As I did this, I suggested mentally four rolls. She got flustered andnervously fumbled around in her purse, counted her money and said, “Four.” I decided that was notwhat a Christian should do and quit it. There is nothing wrong with nicely suggesting to people to buyor giving them reasons to buy, but I was messing around with people’s minds.

In thinking back, I believe I practiced the psychic selling for a fairly short period of time, probably notmore than a couple of years. I remember some in Madison Wisconsin in a department store and somein South St. Louis at a member type store. Most of the time during those years the psychic selling wasnot the main selling method. Most of the time I used a fairly standard approach mostly trying to takecare of the customers. Overall, these methods were more successful.

Later in life, I developed sales methods that were more customer oriented. I concentrated on trying toplease the customers so that after buying from the stores I worked for they would become regularcustomers. The methods are somewhat involved, but are basic “Do unto others as you would havethem do to you.” Funny thing, I was far more successful trying to please customers than when I wasplaying little mental games with them. Selling became fun and fulfilling. Management would regularlytell me how well my departments were doing.

Much later while working for the Government I was in a card game during lunch hour. We were playing“Uno.” One lady expressed that she did not know what color to change the cards to. I needed a yellowcard to win. Without thinking, I reverted to the old practice and projected to her both the word ‘yellow’and the color. I tried to take it back but that cannot be taken back any more than if one throws astone. When it was my turn, I thought of not putting the card down, but did anyway. She looked at meand said, “You put that into my mind, didn’t you?” There were some strange looks on people’s faceswhen I admitted it and stated that it was wrong. That was many years ago. I have not slipped since.One might argue that in an emergency one should use this kind of thing. However, I have found prayerfar more effective.

Mental Flashes

There have been several times that I have known when things have happened to loved ones. The mostdramatic was when my wife ran off the road. While I was at work, I saw in my mind the curb, grass



and trees coming up rapidly. I said to myself, “She had an accident.” Then knowing that I could donothing about it I waited until she came to pick me up. When she told me about it, I said, “I know.” Ithen explained it to her.

What is this, Natural or Supernatural?

I first rationalized that these experiences and practices where simply developing natural abilities. I nolonger think that. Yes, there is a certain area of the natural. Flashes of loved ones in distress andstaring at the back of someone’s neck may be in that realm. In the case of the flashes, we do notpractice them they just happen. I believe that the rest of the practices are in the Supernatural realm. Ibelieve that there is a strong possibility that those who practice such things, whether they know it ornot, are calling on the Forces of Darkness. There is always a price to pay and I paid it. I will not go intoall areas of this, but realizing that I missed good customer relations while trying to be a psychicsalesman was part of it, a small part.

What does this have to do with position changes and time loss?

For all I know, nothing. However many that I have corresponded with think it does or at least could.There are other sources for such experiences including the actions of ancestors, our own actionsknowingly or unknowingly and simply the fact that demons bother people and try to influence us.

On the other hand, if I have been abducted as a child then one source for these experiences could bethe abductions. Just how is unknown. The devil does not particularly care about what source he uses toinfluence us as long as he does. I do not either; I just care about stopping it. The demonic influence iseasy to stop using Biblical methods because we call on God and His power. If we rely on our ownstrength, we lose. See “Handling the Grays” below.

Beyond the Psychic

The Purpose of this Section

The following probably does not have anything to do with the position changes or UFO sightings. Thereason I am including it is to provide a contrast to the above psychic experiences and in at least onecase, there may be a relationship. On the other hand, I really do not know what relates to theabductions.

To begin to understand the incidents one must understand that I believe that anyone who has been“saved” or “born again” is a child of God by spiritual birth and has God’s Holy Spirit within them. Thismeans that all true Christians are the servants of God and He uses them, as He wishes, but not againsttheir wills. When I had my religious conversion at the age of fifteen I, with out reservation, gave myself to God. I expected to be a missionary of something like that. I never made it, however over theyears God by His Holy Spirit has regularly used me often in some remarkable ways. I tried to rememberall of them but I do not think that is possible. In fact there may be times that I was unaware that Godwas using me. The incidents I have listed here are a few that have stood out in my mind. By the way,if you thought that the above examples of psychic experiences were way out or strange, wait until youread these. (See “A Note to the Reader” above)

Preventing a man from committing suicide

While serving the Army during the Korean War and stationed in Northern Japan I made friends with theammunition sergeant of the regiment. He was a nice person but with troubles that were more than hecould handle. There were problems with his wife back home. To forget his wife he got himself aJapanese girl friend and took to drinking. He shortly had problems with his girl friend she becamepregnant. One night we just sat and talked. He had a bottle of whisky and before the evening was outhe was drunk. During the talk he revealed that he had prevented another sergeant from committing



suicide and that he intended to commit suicide if he should get demoted and how he would do it. Iwould have liked to help him but I knew if I reported to someone that he would just deny it.

One day when the regiment went to the field for military training exercises I was asked to stay in thewarehouse that I worked and lived at to guard it. My sergeant friend showed up late and in very badcondition. He didn’t just look drunk but sick as well. He stated that he knew he would be busted thistime and left. I figured now he would shoot himself. I knew that the only way I could stop him was toget to him just as he was putting the gun to his head. The chances of that were almost nonexistent. Ireturned to what I was doing and prayed turning the whole matter over to God and waited to hear theshot. Suddenly I got up and walked, but not by my decision, to a room that I had not thought he wouldbe and opened the door just as he was putting the gun to his head.

I had no idea of what to say to the ammunition sergeant of the regiment. My mouth opened and I said,“That thing is not loaded.” He said, “Yes it is” as he took it away from his chin. I said, “Here let mesee” as I reached for it and took it from him. I unloaded it. I could not have planned it better, but thenI did not plan it. He had scheduled an ammunition trip for that day and had forgotten it. When Ireminded him he realized that he could go on that and not look as if he were late We talked for sometime about his returning to work and the Gospel, which, as I was to find out later, he needed verybadly. He then left to get the ammunition. I knew that he was very sick but he could still walk. After heleft I called the MP’s and asked them to check up on him along the route. They found his convoy at theside of the road and him standing there unsteady. He was brought to the hospital.

I prayed for him until about 3:00 in the morning and then felt that the matter was taken care of byGod. I then went to sleep. The next morning at reveille it was announced that the ammunition sergeantof the regiment, at about 3:00 in the morning had passed away.

Yes, he died anyway but it was very important that he not take his own life. Note these facts:

This was the only time I was ever asked to stay back while the rest went into the field.

I was the only one who could have helped him.

I was asked to stay in the place that he came to.

A series of lucky coincidences? No way.

"What Goes Around Comes Around"

After the Korean War and when I was back in civilian life things got rough. I decided to go back intothe Army in order to earn a living for my family. Things got very bad and I began to think of doingwhat my sergeant friend had tried to do. I really believe the reasoning was suggested by demons, as inretrospect, none of it made sense. I had come to believe that God wanted me to do it. God neverwants anyone to commit suicide.

I was on Guard duty during the day and decided while walking in a mental haze to run and put myhead under a truck’s wheel. Just as I began looking for a truck I heard a voice near by. I looked aroundnot knowing if the person was addressing me or not. He again spoke, I said, “What?” He said, “You’vebeen promoted, you made spec four.” I thanked him and thought, “If the Lord let me get promotedthen He doesn’t want me to commit suicide.”

Funny thing, I didn’t even know the man, but I know who sent him.

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