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Posted 14 December 2008 - 10:21 AM

Hello guys!

Well, I guess this one is has allready been beaten to death ... but I still don't have an answer that I'm satisfied with.

So after some research...The early Zeros in B&W photos looks like they are painted, perhaps a light grey, but today we know there might have been one more options.The first one is the "Hemp" color, a grey-green brownish color. and the second one a light grey green color something like a lightened RLM02 -look alike.

So, if it's just a light grey I guess I can use a light grey color and maybe add white to it.

If it's "Hemp" perhaps I canuse Tamiya XF 12 and add some Tan color to it.

If it's light grey green, I can use XF 12 straight up.

Any suggestions?

At the moment I'm building Hasegawa's 1:48 scale A6m2a Type 11, fanning the flames..., they suggest to paint the aircraft with 2(!) differentmixes of Gunze's colors, thus (perhaps) making two different grey-green-hemp-whatever color. One for the front of the A/C and one for the back,parting just about the mid section of the fuselage Hinomaru.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

S.

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I used Gunze's RLM 02 on my 1/72 Pearl Harbor Zero 21, and like the result. I'm not sure what the closest Tamiya equivalent would be.

Photos show early Zeroes in China with a lighter color on the rear fuselage..there are a number of theories, but I haven't really looked into it thatdeeply.

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Model Master has the IJN light gray color, similar to RLM02 but a bit lighter.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 12:12 PM

Tamiya made an early Zero color to go with the release of their 1/32 Model 22. It's AS-29 in the spray line and XF-76 in the bottle line. It looks tobe the light grey-green color.

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The two tone was from the front of the aircraft being covered with a tarp, the exposed area, rear fuselage "faded" in the sun. I have seen picturessomewhere of A6M11's in China I think with tarps over cockpit , forward fuselage area. HTH---John

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Dave Williams, on Dec 14 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

Tamiya made an early Zero color to go with the release of their 1/32 Model 22. It's AS-29 in the spray line and XF-76 in the bottle line. It looks to be thelight grey-green color.

What he said.

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It's just me, but I like Tamiya XF-12 accurate or not.



















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juanchopancho, on Dec 14 2008, 04:34 AM, said:

Model Master has the IJN light gray color, similar to RLM02 but a bit lighter.

This is the Model Master IJN Gray

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Actually quite a bit lighter, I think it is more accurate. That's what I used on my VAL.

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Thanks a lot guys. I guess I will have to trial a bit with what I got. Perhaps I'll begin with Tamiya IJN grey and maybe add a little tan and/or white to it and see what happenes before I'll paint the model.

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Guys, if you haven't followed the LOOOOOOOOONG discussions of this color on J-Aircraft over the past 6-8 years, let me summarize the currentresearch by several noted experts on the subject. This includes discovery of well preserved examples of Zero 21 panels with original paint intact:

Zeros were not light grey

Zeros were not RLM grey

Zeros *were* a rather deep, rich shade of what's been described as "pistachio green". Apparently this paint had a tendency to chalk up whenexposed to UV light (as in the Solomons), giving rise to the myth of light grey Zeros. In b&w photos it is *impossible* to say exactly what coloranything is, so that's right out as a 'reference' on Zero colors.
























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Tamiya were so convinced of the correctness of this research that they came out with an new Tamiya acrylic bottle and spray can matched tothe existing samples of the real thing. It's *much* darker and greener than anyone ever thought, and its use will require a readjustment of ourbrains, since we "knew" all these years what color Zeros "really" were. But then for decades we "knew" that all Bf109s and Fw190s were RLM70/71/65 right up to May of 1945. Dave noted the reference numbers for this color.

I'm sure there are people who will go on debating this for decades, but I think the consensus is that Zeros were green, not grey. An odd shade ofgreen, to be sure, but green none the less.

J

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Just to add to what Jennings mentioned, the intial revision on the accepted light gray conventional wisdom was the "caramel" shade, about 3 or 4years ago IIRC, then it switched to the now accepted "pistachio green" color.

Regards,Murph

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So the Navy Zeros and Land based Zeros were all the same color? Really?

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What is the new Tamiya acrylic bottle #?

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What is the new Tamiya acrylic bottle #?

See Dave Williams post #4 above.

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So the Navy Zeros and Land based Zeros were all the same color? Really?



























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Technically, all Zeros were Navy aircraft, whether they happened to be based on land or on a carrier and were painted to the IJN's paint schemes.The IJA didn't fly them.

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Ok XF-76, this is what is should look like

***?

Now I have to repaint my Val.

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Actually, Vals and Kates are a completely different kettle o' fish. Japanese colors varied by manufacturer, each coming up with their own "take"on the specified colors. The guys at j-aircraft will have more specific info, but I believe the current accepted color for Vals is a brownish-gray,almost a tan shade.

SN

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j-aircraft, lots of interesting stuff in there. Well I suppose I'll paint the Zero XF-76.















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