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MINUTES OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD

APRIL 20 1998

TOWN OF HERNDON VIRGINIA

The Architectural Review Board met on April 20 1998 at 765 Lynn Street The meeting wascalled to order at 743 pmby Chairman Joseph J Camarda In attendance wereChairman Joseph J Camarda Planner Lisa M Gilleran

Board Gray S Campbell Recording Secretary Lorna M HaughtonPaul C LeReche

Absent Ingrid WasserMichael Davies Sekle

Chairman Camarda noted that all members were present except Ms Wasser and Mr Davies SekleAPPROVAL OF MINUTES

MOTION Mr Campbell moved that the March 11 1998 work session minutes and the March 161998 public hearing minutes be approved as submitted Seconded byMr LeReche

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD

Chairman Camarda aye

Gray S Campbell ayePaul C LeReche aye

BOARD COMMENTS

Mr Campbell stated that there is a large chain of exposed dumpsters on Herndon Parkway thatneed to be addressed byStaff They are within the Industrial Park Center

STAFF COMMENTS

There were no staff comments

PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS

ARB 9822 APPLICATION FOR AN ALTERATION An application to permit thealteration of the exterior color and material of a structure located at 149 SpringStreet Herndon Virginia Dr Kathy Broaddus Applicant Fairfax County MapReference 17100219

The property is zoned IG Industrial General The structure used as a veterinarian clinicresembles a small one story house with a front porch

The applicant is proposing vinyl siding on the structure During the work session the applicantdiscussed several colors One color option was tan for the siding of the house with a clay trim and blackshutters In addition the applicant would like permission to place a 2 X 12 sign on the front of the porch

The sign was previously approved by this Board on May 23 1994 The sign consists of lettering in acream color on a dark brown background with yellowgold border and decoration The language of thesign is Broad Run Veterinary Service Equine Medicine and Surgery Small Animals Housecalls

Staff was unable to find a drawing of the sign but does have that description During the worksession the Board and the applicant discussed the possibility of having the lettering and background matchthe proposed siding with the possibility of using a darker black color for the lettering so that it will standout against the tan background

It was also discussed whether or not the sign would look appropriate across the top of the porch andthere was some discussion of balancing the sign with the addition of a porch rail below the sign

Staff recommends approval with the suggestions made during the previous work sessionQUESTIONS FOR STAFF

There were no questions forstaff

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COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT

Ms Kathy Broaddus and Mr Ray Booth the vinyl siding contractor were present Ms Broaddusstated that they had discussed tan with clay Mr Booth suggested the clay with a white trim but she isopen to either suggestion They intend to go ahead with the porch railing The 12 foot sign will not fitwithin the proposed area and another sign was presented

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

Mr LeReche asked if the dimension shown in the sketch would be the proposed dimensionsMs Broaddus said the sign would be 2 feet tall almost 5 feet across

Mr LeReche asked the spacing between the support posts

Ms Broaddus said it is about 5 feet 2 inches

Mr LeReche said they will need the exact dimensions of sign and there would need to be 12inches to clear the post

Chairman Camarda said that if the sign is reduced from a 12 to a 5 foot sign the text will be anissue

Ms Broaddus presented a banner which would be similar to the sign

Mr LeReche asked the color of the sign

Chairman Camarda said if the building was in clay with a light tan background the background ofthe sign could be a light tan color with black lettering

Mr Campbell asked if the sign would have a black border

Ms Broaddus said that was correct

Ms Gilleran said the original application was for a gold border but she suggests a black border

Ms Broaddus presented pictures to the Board

Ms Gilleran said that per the zoning ordinance the sign must be bolted so that it does not swing

PUBLIC COMMENTS

There were no public comments

BOARD DISCUSSION

Mr Camarda noted that the applicants decided to have 3 inch versus 4 inch vinyl siding at thework session

MOTION Mr Campbell moved that ARB 9822 be approved with the following conditions

1 there will be black shutters and three inch vinyl siding with the clay color aspresented this evening

2 the trim the door and the porch rail will be painted white3 the sign will be 2 feet high and the width between the post will be minus an inch

or two to clearance mounted with a chain or eyebolts at the top and the sides toprevent swinging

4 the sign will have black lettering and tan background and the trim of the trim ofthe border will be black

5 the lettering will be Broad Run on one line with the logo and Veterinary ServiceInc on the second line which will be scaled to fit into that space

Seconded by Mr LeReche

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ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD April20

1998 QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF Chairman Camarda

aye GrayS Campbellaye Paul C LeReche

aye ARB 98 23APPLICATION FORANAMENDMENT TOANAPPROVED SIGNPERMIT Anapplication to amend ARB97 52 for awall sign to identify

Mattressland Carpetland located at 1060 Elden Street Herndon Virginia ShahramYavari Applicant Fairfax County Tax Map Reference 161002

11 The Dulles Park Shopping Center has recently undergone amajor renovation project andthe Architectural Review Board approved anew master sign plan on May 19

1997 OnDecember 15 1997 thisBoard reviewed ARB97 52 awall sign toidentifyMattressland Carpetland located at 1060 Elden Street The applicant requested red channel letters Due totheapproved master sign permit prohibition against two adjacent tenants having red signs the Boardapproved the sign with the following

amendments 1The illuminated uppercase channel letters on the facade shall beamaximum of 30inches inheight with the remaining letters sizedproportionally approximately 22 24inches 2 There shall beaminimum of 12 inchesofreveal above and below the

sign 3The face of the letters shall be white and shall match the master sign plan requirementsof agold trim cap PMS 5615 Olive Green returns and316 inch Plexiglass

faces The management of the center is proposing to amend theapproved master signpermit Application ARB 98 27 requests that all wall signs on themain building within thedevelopmentbe changed to red 2283 acrylic

faces The applicant isproposing internally

illuminated

letters with red faces gold trim capsand olive green returns The sign reads

Mattress

Land

CarpetLand

The red color is3630 73 andthe internal illumination is red neon The proposed sign is 2

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feet tall by 24 feet long or 60 square feetThe proposed Plexiglass faces are18 inch The lettering is alogo letter style Theshopsfrontage is 70

feetStaff suggests that should the centers proposal beapproved that the question of the red faceswill become a non issue The applicant isstill requesting to retain the 30 inch allowance for a one linesign which is not permitted by the master sign plan Staff would suggest that the316 inch Plexiglass faceand achange to the 2283 red acrylic face be stated so that should be center obtain approval of theirnew master sign plan this sign would beconsistent with the other

signsStaff recommends that ARB98 23be approved with the following amendments dependentupon the approval of ARB 98

27 1Theilluminated uppercase channel letters on the facade shall beamaximum of 30inches inheight with theremaining letters sized proportionally approximately 22 24

inches 2 There shall bea minimum of 12 inches ofreveal above and below thesign 3 The faces of the sign shall be3 16 inch Plexiglass faces of red

2283 4The internal neon shall be perthe approved master sign plan which isared neon 5 The trim and returns shall be perthe approved mastersign plan Should ARB 98 27bedenied Staff recommends denialof

ARB9823

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF Chairman Camarda clarified that they were only discussing the color change fromwhite to red specifically the colorsin

ARB

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Ms Gilleran said that if the sign is approved she recommends that the sign matches the colors inthe master sign plan


Mr Shahram Yavari was present and had no comments


Mr Campbell asked if the proposed red in the master sign plan would be okay for his signMr Yavari said that color red would be fine

PUBLIC COMMENTS


BOARD DISCUSSION

MOTION Mr LeReche moved that ARB 9823 be approved pending the approval of Master SignPermit Application ARB 98 27 If ARB 9827 is denied so will ARB 9823 Thecolor will be to match the proposed master sign application 2283 that the maximum signlettering is 30 inches with the lowercase sign letters at 2224 inches and the width of thesign is 24 feet and all other items will remain the same Seconded by Mr Campbell

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF


Gray S Campbell aye

Paul C LeReche aye

ARB 9824 APPLICATION FOR A SIGN PERMIT An application for three wall signs to identifyFirst Union Bank located at 199 Elden Street Herndon Virginia Joe Coulson ApplicantJack Kelly of Eddie Edwards Signs Representative Fairfax County Tax Map Reference171006 B2

The applicant is proposing three wall signs on the primary structure and on one wall sign on thefreestanding ATM building

Two of the signs proposed for the main structure identify the occupant as First Union The signsare proposed on the northeast facade facing Elden Street and on the southwest facade facing the parkinglot The proposed signs are channel letters in the logo font and arrangement The letter faces are greenThe proposed trim caps and returns are painted to match the face of the sign The application states thatthe transformers are located behind the wall of the structure and are not visible The applicant has askedthat this be amended due to the location of the safe of the building The are asking that the exposedraceway be painted the color of the structure

Two additional wall signs are also proposed The applicant is proposing to replace the faces of twoexisting signs The signs currently read MOST The applicant is proposing to change the content of thesign to 24 HOUR TELLER The signs will be internally illuminated The signs are 4 feet by 125 feetThe existing sign on the main building is located at the northwest corner of the facade facing Elden StreetThe second sign is located on the freestanding ATM structure

The proposed color of the wall sign is the establishmentslogo color Architectural Review Boardstaff suggests the green should be attractive in conjunction with the brown brick and trim of the building

The signs proposed for the Elden Street facade meet zoning requirements The building due to itsorientation is not permitted to have a sign on the southwest facade facing the parking area The ZoningOrdinance prohibits signs on walls and windows that do not have frontage on a public rightofway Thussigns are not permitted on the side of the building facing the parking lot Facades without rightofwayfrontage are permitted to have signs when the building has more than one tenant and is under an approvedmaster sign plan This building doe not qualify for a master sign plan

The applicant has not provided a drawing or photograph of the proposed 24 HOUR TELLERsign Thus staff is unable to comment on the design

The proposed signs meet zoning ordinance requirements with the exception of the identificationsign proposed sign proposed for the southwest facade

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The proposed letter style for the signs is a logo lettering and is simple and easily readThe signs appear to be of standard construction

Staff recommends that ARB 9824 be denied due to its inability to meet the requirements of theZoning Ordinance Should the applicant move the proposed identification sign on the southwestern facadefrom this application staff recommends approval provided that the applicant provides the followinginformation for Staff review and approval

1 A scale drawing of the identification sign on the Elden Street facade with the actualexposed height of the wall shown

2 A scale drawing of the faces of the proposed ATM sign with colors shown

Should Staff determine that there is a problem with these designs once they are shown in detailthen Staff would be under direction to return to this Board for clarification as to whether or not the signsmeet the expectations

In addition the applicant has provided a sketch of the identification sign proposed for the EldenStreet facade It does show an exposed raceway It does not show the facade as it actually exists on theElden Street facade Staff would still request than an accurate drawing be submittedQUESTIONS FOR STAFF

There were no questions for Staff


Mr Jack Kelly with Eddie Edwards signs was present Mr Kelly said he was only aware of onesign and that is the sign presented in the drawings He would amend the application to eliminate all butthe Elden Street identification sign There is a safe behind the wall They would like to paint the racewayto match the brick Some color choices were presented The returns and trim will be First Union greenThe wood framing will be duronotic bronze


Chairman Camarda clarified that they are reviewing an application which contains a Firs Unionside on Elden Street two empty cabinets to decide on later

Mr Kelly said that was correct He needs to discuss the cabinets with his peopleChairman Camarda noted that the soonest they would be able to hear this case again would bewithin 60 days

Mr Kelly asked if the signs in their existing positions were within the scope ofthe zoningordinance

Ms Gilleran stated that if the signs had an approved face they would be legal signs Once thesign is removed the sign becomes obsolete and the zoning ordinance states that the sign cabinet has to betaken

off

the wall has to be repaired This Board could provide the applicant with a 6090 dayallowance so that Staff would not move against the obsolete sign cabinets

Mr Kelly asked if the new faces as applied for could be approved tonightMs Gilleran said the previous sign company has not supplied Staffwith faces

Chairman Camarda said the applicant seems to be asking if the current sign boxes from the pointofview of location and size would they comply with the zoning ordinance if they had an approval fromthis Board at some time in the future

Ms Gilleran said the signs would comply with the zoning ordinance

Mr Campbell asked the location of the power feed

Mr Kelly said he does not know the exact location of the power feedMr LeReche asked how much overhang was on the building

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Mr Kelly said it was approximately 18 inches to 2 feet

Chairman Camarda noted that the Board made an approval on this building about two months agoand there were some conditions that were not met

Mr Kelly said he would relay the message

Mr LeReche asked what size conduit would be used

Mr Kelly said he would guess that it would be a 34 inch conduitChairman Camarda stated that the proposed color should be flat and should match the brick

PUBLIC

COMMENTS There were nopublic

comments STAFF

COMMENTS MsGilleran said she recommends that if the conduit isexposed it should connect at theTwhich is the letter closest to the

soffit BOARD

DISCUSSION MOTION Mr Campbell moved that ARB 98 24 beapproved with the following

conditions 1this application only deals with the sign on the Elden Street facade this beingthe raceway mounted sign aspresented in the

drawing 2 the conduit tosupply the power to feed that sign will run from the soffit to thetop of the letter

T 3 both the raceways and the conduit will be painted the flat color which matchesthe building as closely as

possible 4 the other empty sign boxes are to be left unlit and theapplicant has 60 daystoeither remove or make an application to make useof those sign

boxes Seconded byMr

LeReche ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW

BOARD Chairman Camarda

aye GrayS Campbell

aye PaulC LeReche

aye ARB98 25APPLICATION FOR A SIGN PERMIT Anapplication forafreestanding signtoidentify First Union Bank located at 199 Elden Street Herndon Virginia JoeCoulson Applicant Mr Jack Kelly Representative Fairfax County Tax Map Reference171006

B2 Theapplicant isproposing three signs tobe placed ona clock tower The signs consist of thename oftheestablishment FIRST UNION comprised of 15 inch tall polished brass letters These signs willbe similar to theexisting

signs The proposed color of the wall sign is polished

brass Current Zoning Ordinance regulations donotpermit freestanding signs tobe more than12 feet above grade The signs proposed on the clock tower serve asthe freestanding sign fortheproperty and thus the signs must be lowered to a height of no more than 12 feet Itisstaffs understandingthat the existing signs are grandfathered Once the grandfathered signs are removed all future signs mustmeet the

current ordinance Staff spoke tothe applicant todayand suggested that there are two options Option onewould be to remove the sign from theclock tower and proposeafreestanding sign meeting the requirementof the ordinance which state that the sign with its base be no more than 12 feet tall the actualsign box areaof the freestanding sign should not be any more than 8 feet tall withacombined height of no more than12 feet and that the sign area be no more than 50 square feet The faceofthe freestanding sign is basedonthe linear frontage of the building up to but no more than 50 square feet For the second optionthe applicant could keep the signs on the clock tower but lower them to no more than 12 feet

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Staff recommends that ARB 9825 be denied due to its inability to meet the requirements of theZoning Ordinance

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF

Mr LeReche asked the maximum height of a sign on the side of a building

Ms Gilleran said a sign can be no more than 20 feet on the side of a building She has spoken tothe Zoning Administrator about this sign and due to the fact that the clock tower is serving anotherpurpose apart from being the background for the freestanding sign the sign would have to come down to12 feet which would comply with the zoning ordinance


Mr Jack Kelly representing Eddie Edwards signs was present and stated that he would agree withMs Gilleransrecommendations


Chairman Camarda if the zoning ordinance would allow the sign on all three facadesMs Gilleran said it does meet the intent of the ordinance

Chairman Camarda asked if the applicant wanted the signs on all three facadesMr Kelly said the would use all three faces on the facades

PUBLIC COMMENTS


BOARD DISCUSSION

MOTION Mr LeReche moved that ARB98 25 beapproved with theconditionsthat 1 the sign will be placed no higher than 12 feet from the grade to the top of the TinFastUnion 2 each of the four signs will not exceed 1623 feet for a total of 50squarefeet Seconded by Mr

Campbell ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW

BOARD Chairman Camardaaye GrayS Campbellaye PaulC LeReche

aye ARB98 26APPLICATION FOR AN ADDITION Anapplication to permit the addition of afuel tank generator and transformer located at 470 Spring Park Place HerndonVirginia Chuck Loving Applicant Fairfax County Tax Map Reference 162002

164D The property is zoned PD IP The development consists of eight brick office and warehouse

units The applicant is proposing to install a1 000 kW generator a3000 gallon above ground fueltank and anew VEPCO transformer to the rear ofanexisting

structure The proposed generator is the widest unit and is 10 feet wide by 10 feet tall and 35 feet longA sound rated generator enclosure will surround the equipment andacritical silencer muffler willbe employed the exterior wall of the proposed equipment isSunglos Haze Gray The applicanthas installed a concrete pad for the generator The proposed fuel tank is7 5 feet wide by 8 feet tall and10 feet long The proposed transformer isapproximately 8 feet wide by 10 feet

long The applicant isproposing to install a10 foot tall wood screen around the three unitsThe proposed screen extends from the concrete retaining wall around thegenerator andapproximately 20feet along the interior side of the generator The proposed screen continues across the front of the fuel tankand transformer providing approximately 5 feetof clearance between the screen and the equipmentThe proposed fence extends to the wall of the existing structure A6 foot wide double gated service entryisproposed in from of the fuel tank and a single gate is proposed in front of the transformer Theproposed wood screen isanalternating board screenof pressure treated pine with galvanized

hardware

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During the work session several issues were discussed primarily the height of the generator withthe silencer on top In addition Staff had raised some concerns about a light The applicant explained thatthe light would not be visible The Board made the suggestion that the fence be 8 feet tall with a latticework of approximately two feet on top with a framing around

Staff recommend that ARB 9826 be approved with the screen amended per the Board suggestionat the work session the equipment is sandwiched between two buildings to one side is a retaining wall

which is taller than the equipment the screen is located on the only exposed side of the equipment andthat faces an adjacent propertywhere there is already a buffer screening of evergreen trees

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF



Mr Chuck Loving was present and had no comments

OUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

Mr Campbell asked if the applicant had any problems with the 8 foot board on board and thelattice screening

Mr Loving said he had no problems with that suggestion

PUBLIC COMMENTS


BOARD DISCUSSION

MOTION Mr LeReche moved that ARB 98 26 be approved with the condition that the overallheight of the fence will be no more that 11 feet with a 23 foot lattice on top of a 3 footboard on board Seconded by Mr Campbell




ARB 9827 APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SIGN PERMIT An application toamend an approved master sign plan ARB 9716 for Dulles Park Shopping Centerlocated at 1040 1096 Elden Street Herndon Virginia William Hardtke ApplicantFairfax County Tax Map Reference 16100211

Mr Hardtke is not present but has sent a representative

The property is zoned C2 Highway Commercial Corridor The Dulles Park Shopping Center hasrecently undergone a major renovation project The Architectural Review Board approved a new mastersign plan on May 19 1997 The conditions of the approved master sign plan were as stated in the staffreport

The applicant is proposing to amend the approved master sign plan to permit all future signs to be316 inch red Plexiglass with red neon with the exception of the center anchor store Food Lion and thepad building which will remain white lettering The applicant is not proposing to make any additionalchanges to the master sign plan

The applicant called Staff asking for clarification as to whether the application this evening wouldpermit white or red signs or whether it would preclude the administrative approval of any white signsexcept the center anchor store and the pad site When staff was reviewing this application it was staffsunderstanding that this amendment was calling for all the signs to be red except for that center anchor storeor the pad site with the possible allowance for the existing white signs that are used by some of the smallertenants to remain until those tenant spaces were either leased to new tenants or the tenant wished to makethe change on their own

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Architectural Review Board staff suggests that the popularity and use of red signs along the EldenStreet corridor has led to an overuse of the color The applicantsproposal will further this trendAlthough staff discourages the use of red when it clashes with the materials of the structure and otheradjacent signs staffsuggests that the applicantsproposal may in fact be appropriate for the center inquestion There are approved red signs within the center and Staff finds it difficult to recommend againstred signs within the center

Staff recommends that ARB 9827 be approved but is concerned about a general mix of whiteand red signs and is also concerned about some of the provisions of the originally approved master signplan namely the allowance for illuminated box signs to be located in the windows This was originallypermitted to cover the CVS box sign but that sign now has approval Normally illuminated signs of anykind are not permitted by master signs but must come before the Board separately Staff is also concernedabout the allowance for green window signs Since this amendment will remove green from the wall signfaces staff suggests that the green should be dropped from the window signs and that the signs should bered white or a combination of the two colors

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF

Chairman Camarda said it is his understanding the applicant is asking for a change in the color to316 Plexiglass with 2283 Red Plexiglass

Ms Gilleran said that was correct The currently approved 3M 363073 Dark Red is a vinylapplied to a white face and does not have the durability of a colored Plexiglass face Ms Gilleran alsonoted that the Radio Shack sign has a white border and is in violation of the master sign plan


Mr Bob Duzini representing JBG Rosenthal the managing agent for Dulles Park ShoppingCenter was present He stated that once they installed the white signs according to the original master signplans they were disappointed with the signs along with many of the tenants When one of their tenantsinstalled a red sign the other tenants decided that the red was a much better sign The red reads muchclearer on the white background and that is the reason for their master sign plan changes They would likeitem 4 which states that Other signs shall be 3M 3630 73 Dark Red vinyl or Hartford Green will nowread Other signs shall be M 2283 Red Plexiglass or white and they would like to eliminate item 5

which states that Signs other than white of the same color shall not be located adjacent to each otheritem 10 which now reads Window signs shall consist of signs painted on the inside of the window orupon a clear Plexiglass background The letters shall be red green or white to match the buildings wallsigns will be modified to Windows signs shall consist of signs painted on the inside of the window orupon a clear Plexiglass background The letters shall be red and or white to match the buildingswallsigns item 11 which now reads One illuminated box sign per establishment is permitted in thewindow to be turned on during business hours will be removed

The landlord did not approve the Radio Shack sign as installed and they are in violationQUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

Mr Campbell confirmed master sign plan changes with the applicant

Mr Duzini reiterated the changes and stated that they would like to hypothetically end up with allred signs

Mr Campbell and Mr LeReche stated that some variety will be needed within the shoppingcenter

Mr Duzini noted that the landlord may be willing to provide all the tenants with red signs

Mr LeReche asked for confirmation that there was a master sign which dictated one color

Ms Gilleran said there are several master sign plans which dictate one color Staffs concern inregard to trying to set up a pattern with the red and the white sign is that there does not seem to be anytenants who want the white sign

Mr Duzini said their first preference would be to allow a mix inany combination theirsecond preference would be to have all red and their last preference would be to haveaspecific combinationof

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MrCampbell suggested that a mixof colors would be better andre clarified the changesthat would be

made PUBLIC

COMMENTS There were no public

comments BOARD

DISCUSSION MOTION MrLeReche moved that ARB 98 27 beapproved with the following changes inmaster sign

plan 1item 113 which states that At least 50 of all wall signs shall be white willbe

removed 2 item 114 which states that Other signs shall be 3M3630 73 Dark Red vinylorHartford Green will now read Other signs shall beM 2283 Red Plexiglassor

white 3 item 5which states that Signs other than white of the same color shall notbelocated adjacent toeach other will be

removed 4 item 1110 which now reads Window signs shall consist of signs painted onthe inside of the window or upon aclear Plexiglass background The letters shallbe red green or white to match thebuildingswall signs will bemodifiedtoWindows signs shall consist ofsigns painted on the inside of the window orupon aclear Plexiglass background The letters shall bered and or white tomatchthebuildings

wall signs 5 item 11 which now reads One illuminated boxsignperestablishment is permitted inthe window to be turnedonduring business hours will

be removed Ms Gilleran asked ifit wasthe Board s intent to permit red or white on the pad site andto permit red white for the center anchor store Is it alsothe Board s intent to have redor whitewindow signs matching the wall signs or if the wall sign is white can they have a red or

white sign Mr LeReche said the window signs would match in color the 2283 Red Plexiglass Inregard to the pad mount and existing center store those conditions will

also apply Seconded by

MrCampbell ARCHITECTURAL

REVIEW BOARD Chairman

Camarda aye Gray S

Campbell aye Paul C

LeReche ayeARB 9828 APPLICATION FOR AN ALTERATION An application to permit thepainting ofseveral existing apartment buildings knownasLifestyle Condominiums locatedat 601 625 Center Street Herndon Virginia Cecilio Guerrero Applicant FairfaxCounty Tax Map Reference1620019

01012 The property iszoned RM1Multi FamilyResidential District The applicant is proposing to change the color of themulti building complex Theproposal retains the existing stucco appearance The applicant proposes touse Thoro textured coating in

Navajo White The proposed trim color is Mocha The existing colors are cream with peach undertones anddark brown The applicant states that the proposed material is currently used on the buildings andthecondominium association has been very happy with

theresults Architectural Review Board staff suggests thatthe applicant s proposal is appropriate forthe style of the structures andthe surrounding neighborhood The existing and proposed wall colors areboth withinthe off white range but the undertones are different As stated above the existing wall color has apink or peach undertone The proposed color is tan with brown undertones Staff believes that theexisting and proposed trim colors are

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1998 During the work session two colors were discussed It was suggested that the Board might wantto look atsome samples of the proposed color that had been placed on the existing

structuresStaff recommends that ARB98 28 be approved as

submitted QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF There were no questions for

Staff COMMENTS FROM THE

APPLICANT MrCecilio Guerrero Property Manager and MsAngela Miller President of the BoardofDirectors were both present They had no further

comments QUESTIONS FORTHE

APPLICANT MrLeReche clarified thecolor

selections Chairman Camarda showed the color

samples PUBLIC

COMMENTS There were no public

comments BOARD

DISCUSSION MOTION MrCampbell moved that ARB98 28 be approved using the Thoro textured coatingof Navajo White for the main body of the building and the trim color asMocha Seconded byMr

LeReche ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW

BOARD Chairman Camarda

aye GrayS Campbellaye Paul C LeReche

aye ARB 98 29APPLICATION FOR ASIGN PERMIT Anapplication for a wall sign to identifyan ATM machine atNorthwest Federal Credit Union located at 200 Spring StreetHerndon Virginia Judy Hook Applicant Fairfax County Tax Map Reference 162002

181B The property is zonedIGIndustrial General The four story office structure iscommonlyknown as 200Spring

Street The applicant isrequesting approval of aninternally illuminated sign box to bedisplayed overan existing exterior ATM machine The sign box consists of an aluminum sign cabinet with a316 inchthick acrylic face The acrylic isgreen with white logo lettering The message content consistsofHONOR The letters are 6inches

high The proposed sign box isapproximately 13 inches height by 4 feet long The applicant showsthe sign asbeing centered below an existing light and above the ATM machine The sign is located onthe stone facing of the

structure Theproposed sign ismounted to the wall with 3Lbrackets Four florescent height output120 volt daylight lamps areproposed within the sign

boxArchitectural Review Board staff suggests that theapplicantsproposal is appropriate Thesign although visible from various locations on and off site isnot highly visible to the street due toits placement in an alcove The sign actually faces Herndon Parkway but will probably be morereadily visible topeople traveling west on Spring Street Had the placement of the sign provideda higherdegreeofvisibility staff would be concerned about the amountofillumination inconjunction with theexisting wall light but due to its location Staff is not overly concerned about the light and any potential glarefrom the

signStaff recommends that ARB 98 29be approved as

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QUESTIONS FOR STAFF



Mr George Shumaker Deputy for Administration of Northwest Federal Credit Union was presentQUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

Mr LeReche clarified that the electrical conduit will be through the stone and will not beexposed

Mr Shumaker said that was correct

BOARD DISCUSSION

MOTION Mr LeReche moved that ARB 9829 be approved as submitted Seconded by MrCampbell



Gray S Campbell aye

Paul C LeReche aye

ARB 9830 APPLICATION FOR AN ADDITION An application to permit the addition of anexterior cooler and rooftop mechanical units at Chicken Out located at 1042 EldenStreet Herndon Virginia Galen Galentine Applicant Fairfax County Tax MapReference 16 1 00211

The property is zoned C2Highway Commercial Corridor The Dulles Park Shopping Center hasrecently undergone a major renovation project

The applicant is proposing to add a walk in cooler to the rear of the structure The proposalincludes a screen wall of brick andEIFSto surround the cooler on the three exposed sides The screenis 9 12 feet tall which the applicant indicates will extend to the top of the cooler The applicant isproposing a brick base approximately 1 44 feet high to match the existing brick base along the rear of thebuilding The remainder of the screen is EIFS to match the existing rear wall of the structure The topof the enclosure is covered in metal cap flashing to match the existing structure

In addition the applicant is proposing the addition of roof top units The applicant has stated thatthe existing parapet will be sufficient to screen the units from pedestrian and vehicle traffic along theElden Street corridor At the work session the applicant did submit some measurements of the parapetwall and the proposed rooftop units and the exhibit is located on the bench in front of the Board

Architectural Review Board staff suggests that the cooler and enclosure which were the subject ofTown Plan R9739 are not detrimental to the appearance of the structure Staff believes that theapplicant has clarified the discrepancy between the approved site plan revision and the architecturaldrawings submitted with this application The applicant has stated that they will apply for a revision dueto the change in the location of an adjacent sidewalk

The screening of the cooler seems sufficient and does match the rear wall of the existing structureand should not be a detriment to the appearance of the building During the work session there was somediscussion concerning the CO2 storage tanks which will be located to the rear of the existing building andat that time it was suggested by one of the Board members that the existing berberis should be changed toewes to provide a little more screening

Staff recommends that ARB 9830 be approved with the amendment that the dwarf berberis bechanged to ewes and that the ewes be a 36 inch high plant

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF

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Mr Galen Galentine was present and thanked the Board for their time

OUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

Mr LeReche clarified that the plan dated April 14 1998 is the current plan

Mr Galentine said that was correct

Mr LeReche asked the height of the CO2 canister

Mr Galentine said the canister is approximately 5 6

Chairman Camarda clarified that the applicant had no problems with changing to the 36 inchewes

Mr Galentine said that would not be a problem

PUBLIC COMMENTS


BOARD DISCUSSION

MOTION Mr Campbell moved that ARB 9830 be approved as amended with the replacement ofthe barbarous with ewe plants of a 36 inch height minimum and conditioned and approvalof the revised site plan Seconded byMr LeReche




ARB 9831 APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED SIGN PERMIT Anapplication to amend ARB 149752 for a neon window sign to identify MattresslandCarpetland located at 1060 Elden Street Herndon Virginia Shahram Yavari ApplicantFairfax County Tax Map Reference 16100211

The property is zoned C2 Highway Commercial Corridor The Dulles Park Shopping Center hasrecently undergone a major renovation project and the Architectural Review Board approved a newmaster sign plan on May 191 997

On December 15 1997 this Board reviewed ARB 9752M two neon window signs to identifyMattressland Carpetland located at 1060 Elden Street The applicant requested two 22inch tall neonsigns One sign was 98 inches long and the second was 62 inches long Both signs utilized upper andlower case letters and were formed by a double band of neon The Board approved the signs with thefollowing amendments

1 The neon window signs shall be as proposed in regard to the style of lettering with thedouble outline being retained

2 The neon lettering shall be 16 Inches for the upper case letters a maximum of 14 inchesfor the taller lower case letters and no more than 10 inches for the remaining letters3 The word Mattress shall be green and the word Carpet shall be red

4 The border is not approved but a lien of thicker neon shall underline the words5 The line under the word shall match the word above it in color6 A drawing of the redesigned neon would be submitted to staffprior to fabrication and

should staff find that the signs do not meet these amendments the design shall be returnedto the full Board for review

7 The transformer shall be located in the ceiling and all wires and cords shall be installed ina manner that minimizes their visual impact

8 The neon signs shall only be turned on during business hours

The applicant did submit some drawings of neon signs The signs had the outline of the letters inneon and were completely uppercase letters The mattress sign would be red with a blue underline borderThe carpet sign would be red with the blue underline The lettering would be 22 inches as in the original

request and the length of the sign would be as originally proposed

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Staff isconcerned about theresubmitted proposal Staff believes asign should becontainedwithin a single window Inaddition 22 inch letters are quite large for a neon sign and may notbeappropriatefor the facade of the shopping center Architectural Review Board staff suggests that theapplicantsproposal lacks artistic content as isrequired by this Board for neon signs The neon signs originally approvedby this Board were permitted due tot thedecorative letter style and theinclusion of upper and lowercase letters The Board stated that the mix of upper and lower case letters added variety and amoreinteresting and attractive element to the proposal Theapplicant iscurrently iscurrently requesting thatthisdecorative element be removed from the

sign In his latest approval the applicant shows some neon bars across the tops of all the windowsStaff does not believe that such neon bars are appropriate and are not ofadecorative nature Thezoning ordinance states that you may not outline windows with neon Although this is not a true outline ofthewindows staff suggests that it was the intent of theordinance to stay away from this typeof neon

useStaff recommends denial of ARB 98 31asproposed by the

applicant QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF There werenoquestions for

staff COMMENTS FROMTHE

APPLICANT MrShahram Yavari was present and stated that he would be willing to go along withthe suggestions of the Board MrYavari presented some possibilities foradecorative element tohis signHe also stated that they do not want the neon bars in thewindow aspreviously

stated QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT MrLeReche stated that there seems to be awindow mullion separating Mattress and

Carpet MrYavari said he wanted to put some distance between the two

words MrLeReche asked if theprevious application approved tonight for the wall mounted signalso had Mattressland and Carpetland in red upper and lower

case MrCampbell said it does have upper and lower case

letters Chairman Camarda said the letters on this application are 22 inches high and he thinks theyare rather big forsomeone 20 feet away in the parking

lot MrYavari said he would be willing to go along with theBoards

suggestion MrCampbell said there isanexisting approved sign plan This current application doesnot provide the Board with any concrete

information MrYavari said he would be willing to make the sign and present it to the Board If theBoard does not like the sign he will have the sign

resubmitted Mr Campbell stated that this application due tothe insufficient information presentedshould either be a deferral or

denial Chairman Camarda explained to MrYavari that the Board ishaving a hard time makingadecision on this application since they do not have enough presented information Would the applicantbe willing to defer this application to the next public hearing and come back with some moreconcrete

information MrYavari said he would be willing to defer this

application MOTION Mr Campbell moved that ARB 98 31be deferred until the next scheduledpublic hearing Seconded by Mr

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MOTION Mr Campbell moved to adjourn at

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MrLeRecheJosephJCamardaChairmanLornaMHaughton

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