1

NANDTB BOARD MEETING Brisbane Airport Conference Centre

Thursday 10/10/2019 08:30 to 15:00hrs

Meeting Minutes

Venue Brisbane Airport Conference Centre (Longreach room)

Chair Rodd Smith

Secretary Frank Simmer

Attendee’s Ron Quirk (RQ), Steve Swift (SS), Frank Simmer (FS), Rodd Smith (RS) Col Hockings (CH), Shane Wilson (SW), Michael Gaugg (MG), Simon Chittleborough (SC), , Richard Allen (CASA- RA),

Guests Vincent Visser (NZNDT- VV), Peter Milligan- (AINDT-PM)

Apologies Malcolm Oakey (MO to GJB), Vincent Visser (NZNDT- VV), Garry Bowden (GJB proxy to SW), Shayne Flynn (no proxy), Garrett Booth (proxy to (MG)

Time AGENDA ITEM Assign Action Status

08:30 1 Welcome of Guests – apologies

RS OPEN 08:30

2 Meeting Protocol (phones off; respect one another)

RS

3 Adopt Agenda RS Accepted MG

4 Disclosure of Interest All

5 Accept previous minutes 04/07/2019

All Accepted (RQ) and posted on Website

2

6 General Business and actions from previous minutes

6.1 Procedure review to incorporate EN4179/NAS410

Board to be competent in NAS410/ EN4179

CH, All, RA

AD

Guidelines accepted

Action: FS add to guidelines page also a link from procedures page at NA024.

SS: Comment; Communication with design org. concern of process for justification when issuing instructions to deviate. Level 3 should have an understanding of the engineering process, and engineering should have an understanding of NDT. See item 6.8

SC: presentation of draft letter change including qualification term in lieu of recognition. Some objection to change this.

Action: All review draft recognition letter supplied by SC and comment by 24/10/2019. Note: see EF documents template.

Action RS: Letter to CASA on Boards transition to EN4179. Paragraph for website explanation transition to EN 4179 and acceptable standards. Transition cut over to EN4179 by 01/Nov/2021. Letter to MT007 (Angelo Zaccari) outlining the boards position on AS3669. azaccari@aben-tec.com.au

Action RQ: review NA-021 update the acceptable standards, include A4A spec 105. Note the NAA may also specify the required qualification and certification standard.

In work

3

6.2 Procedures Review RS/ CH NA-013 update accepted. FS to publish.

Action RS: NA-013 further review (see item 7)

In work

6.3 Aged Standards review. RS/ CH Vigilance on redundant standards

Action RS: check cross reference table for website for redundant or superseded standards, circulate amongst the board and publish on website.

Action: RA to promote/ review redundant standards references. In work

6.4 Seminars ideas for next seminar be brought to the next meeting. Action All

All 18th and 19th March 2020.

Coogee Bay Hotel

Action: all to promote the event and contribute ideas and suggestions to the working party

Working party members

RS FS GJB SS & CH

Action FS:

Circulate action plan

Speaker list is critical path.

Action: Tele conference next week.

In work

6.5 Separation of administration procedures and technical procedures

RS FS

CH

Publications page on website updated with procedure revision status and withdrawn procedures

Administrative and technical procedures can be clearly seen.

Does this require a two separate tables? Accepted as is Closed

6.6 Co-ordinate Website upgrades and repository of Board information

FS

Action FS: contact DataSearch.

Google suite may be the solution, concern of security of content with the host. More questions with DataSearch

In work

4

6.7 Repository for standards and access

FS Google suite should form the repository TBA In work

6.8 “continuation training” for members

SS Action all: Member development section

Move to fixed agenda item (rostered presentation?)

Cessna 210 AWB inspection campaign, compression load affecting detectability of cracks using Eddy Current Inspection. In work

6.9 Rules of governance procedure requirement for self-evaluation is due.

Action all: Submit comments to RS

closed

6.10 Recognised Level 3 on the website

Action FS to update table closed

12:00 LUNCH

12:30 7 Examinations report

NANDTB no longer issues examinations.

Volunteer is sort for examination recognition co-ordinator. Templates are now available. Action RS: Ask GJB to take on this role.

Action RS:

NA-013: Exams should be identified from the examiner. This will ensure the approved exam could be reused in the same organisation.

NA-013: Clarification on basic examination requirement (questions on other methods)

Fixed agenda

8 Correspondence

FS Action FS: EFNDT, ANDTBF one page introduction letter for inclusion by ANDTBF on their website. FS to sample aerospace documents. Action RS: write to CASA on AC43 deficiency.

Fixed agenda

5

9 Chairman’s report RS Contained in info pack Fixed agenda

10 Secretary/Financial Report .

FS Contained in info pack

Action RA: new Grant funding from March 2020 Fixed agenda

11 Website Report

FS Action FS: Recommend website upgrade as suggested by Datasearch and continue forum space. Migration to Wordpress platform scheduled for October 2019

Action FS: enquire about captcha robot to reduce spam- not applicable for our circumstance

Fixed agenda

12 AINDT Report PM Apologies- SA conference Nov 4-6 (Adelaide Convention centre) Action FS: Link to seminar on our website – issue with our website

Fixed agenda

13 CASA Report RA Contained in info pack

Reenergise D1 extension to work in the A rating.

Action All: Letters to CASA to progress post implementation review outcomes Fixed agenda

14 ADF Report MG Contained in Info pack Fixed Agenda

15 European Forum Report

RQ Contained in info pack Fixed Agenda

16 Procedures review RS See Item 6.1 & 6.2 above Fixed agenda

17 New Business

17.1 Board Membership FS Resignation of Board Member Shayne Flynn

Board Elections due March 2020- website will be updated closer to the end of year

Prospective members.

Steven Hearne (Airflite WA)

Tony Collier (Aerospace NDI)

In work

6

17.2 CASA MPL request RQ Was contacted by Rick McMaster for CASA Maintenance Personnel Licensing re using EN4179 over AS3669 for certification.

Can the Board provide a letter to MPL to reflect the use of EN4179 instead of AS3669 for CAR30 Airworthiness Authorities for NDT.

See item 6.1

Action RA: discussion with Rick McMaster. See CAO 100.27

Action RQ: update guideline for assessment for a MA

In work

17.3 NADCAP AC7114/11 SW Part 21 organisations and now Repair and Overhaul whose potential customers require NADCAP accreditation. This requires the Board being approved by NADCAP as per AC7114/11. As we have previously voted on, we are following the ANDTBF guidelines (and not AC7114/11) and so we need to advise companies, L3 etc., maybe via the website, that we will not be accredited by NADCAP. This will allow them to get necessary exams, L3 approvals ready for verification, rather than showing the Board's qualification letter, as in the past.

Action SW & FS: RTO page on website explains the boards position. Note for NADCAP accredited organisations

18 Questions without notice

Nil

19 Next meeting Proposed dates for 2020 1) 17/03/2020- Sydney (Coogee Bay Hotel) 2) 02/07/2020 (AGM)- Melbourne (TBA) 3) 15/10/2020- Brisbane (TBA)

15:00 20 Close 15:10

7

Chairman’s Report Oct 2019 – Brisbane Airport conference Centre Brief outline of general business since last meeting Applications for Level 3 Recognition New applications processed Garret Booth of Azure NDT Quality Services. Re-recognition five methods. Board recognition granted, certificate sent out. Applications ongoing Suer Orkun Quickstep-Initial application. Ongoing as more evidence required for application.

John Michael of Boeing Australia component repairs. Re-recognition in two methods. Almost finalised, Board recognition, certificate hopefully to be sent next week.

Neil Joiner of Australian NDT Leasing – initial application rejected/returned due to lack of support evidence. More evidence has since been supplied and will be processed shortly. Application for Examination recognition Numerous submissions Aero compliance - Level 3 examinations

Southern NDT- Level 3 examinations Applications/enquires for NANDTB Board Membership One application, Steven Hearne (GA/Defence MRO L2 PT/MT/UT/ECT) Airflite. Ongoing interest carried over, Shane Norman (MRO Level 2 in PT/MT L1, ECT/UT) Aviation component services.

Tony Collier (GA level 3) European NANDTBs Forum

8

Attendance maintained as per deed agreement. As covered in last meeting Ron attended the 26th meeting last June in Lucerne Switzerland. Draft minutes have just come through and are in info pack.

Next meeting is scheduled for November in Mosheim France which we will not be attending at this stage.

Looking further ahead the 2020 mid-year meeting looks set to be held in Russia.

After the successful completion of the recent compliance audit of our Board by our regulator (CASA) we retain full membership to the ANDTBF and this is reflected in their draft Board minutes.

It is important to note that in order to maintain our full membership we must continue to meet our Boards duties and responsibilities as detailed in in ANDTBF/08. This includes maintaining and upholding our qualification criteria when it comes to Level 3 recognitions, both initial and renewal and also our rigor around examination approvals. Other general Business New NA for Level 3 recognition to EN4179/NAS410 has been finalised and is document identifier NA-024, can now be found on our website. As mentioned previously a lot of work has gone into this to get it right. It is an extremely important document as NANDTB Level 3 recognition it a key component in supporting and protecting our Industry.

NA-013 Examination review/approval. Some more work needs to be done in space and is currently ongoing. It’s imperative we have a robust process to maintain our integrity, credibility and accountability to our industry. Upcoming and Ongoing matters Document storage. As mentioned during my last report this still needs attention and given the highest priority.

General Website updates We need to remove many references on main page pointing to AS3669, update other general information around EN41279, aged standards etc

Aerospace seminar. Again this must continue to be a focus for all board members and a date and location needs to be settled on. Rodd Smith NANDTB Chairman Sep 2019

9

Finance report is not for publication Website report

10

11

12

CASA report ADF report

13

14

EFNDT – Aerospace NDT forum Unapproved draft from 18th June 2019 presented. Not published here.