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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

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participts (nont~QmmiSSiOn): ·Phone Interview'[ .. ~~ ....I~~d..~~~ ...ITrip toDulles. and' '.. ' .....

Participants (Commission): Lisa Sullivan.John RaidL ...

Location: The interview was conducted by co~fe.rence call'>Ms. Sullivan and Mr. Raidthosted the cal1 from the commission's GSA office'.,1 la~'~ ~a1led fromtheir office at Dulles International Airport.

'\ The interview was followed by a 2-10-04 site visit to the Dulles west checkpoint to showDpictures of the hijackers and to get a visual impression of the door where theconfrontation occurred. John Raidt and Lisa Sullivan were joined by Commission staffmembers John Tamm and Marco Cordero for the trip to Dulles.

Background

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• Reason for Interview

[U] Commission staff contacte4 Ifor an interview based on information he hadprovided to law enforcement r~garding an incident he witnessed on the evening of9/1 0/2001 at Dulles. "

[U1 lindicated that around 8 p.m. on September 10, he was supervising the westcheckpoint in the main terminal of Dulles when he saw four Middle Eastern men tryingto enter a side door at the west checkpoint. Use of the door was restricted to LawEnforcement Officers ~LEO's) and government officials.

nJ]The uniformed nr~n were wearing green Dulles Airport 10 badges imprinted with an'1A" that designatedpeople who work on the ramps. One of the men swiped his ID card'and punched in a code to enter the door, which gained him and the other three people/entrance to the "s~¢rile area" (bypassing the security check point).

![Unsaid that/two of the men were dressed like "ramp rats" - in blue pants with!sw~rts and.headphones around their necks. They appeared to be escorting two other! plain clothed men, also Middle Eastern in appearance. The men weren't carrying: anything with/them. He did not recognize them. He noticed them because ramp rats

weren 't allowed to enter through that door~,Dtressed that ramp employees "never"used that d9,or.,D also noted that MW ijA had restricted access to the door to fewer~mp]oyee~;J~r' security reasons only a:!-rionthprior to 9-11.

!(U] : ~~ressed that the do~,d is talking about is on the west wall of the west, !ch,¢ckp~inr The door requires-that you swipe a card and punch in the cod,~1 ~aid! ./ t~~t vefy.few employees haveaccess to the door. He didn't have such access on 9·11 and! ./ he was amanager of the checkpoint security.operation.l Isa~,d,-tfiatyou could use the, : ?oor/t~/by-pass the ma~~r~.t6meter. .'

• ' / [uDaid that th~e'e'ofthemenwere confused andditl~;t seem to know where they! ./ ./ w¢.r<i going. These-observations and the fact that ramp rats never used that door made! / /:~(t1{suspicious. .Hestopped them'. lie·told themthat they weren't allowed through thei ,'" ,:' 46:or and that t,h~y had to go throughthe security checkpoint if they wanted to access thei .... / /~4tea.The men-carrying IDs showed themto him. Their behavior was rude and abusive to

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/! / / ...('::::/ [Ul~ade them Y6r;;'~"ba:c(~ut and told them to go through the checkpoint. The men/!,///:,'d~.d~xplain ~hy theywanted access to the door. Even though they had IDs, they: : .' ::: /PI,~,9'itseem to.knowwhere they were going,

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e~calators. He doesn't-know wh~.\,~:t~i;',~:6nJf'fr~tn ih~r~"mork~~fut1~,il 11 p.m. anddid not see them.again after th.~.:9,o~fron~,~tl~,fl.if: ':: \\ \.>.. """[UlDdidnot report th~inci4e'1i~'untilth/nexthay wh~n he came into work arm) d 1p.m. After hearing abqu~·th¥.:.tiijacki'ng)h¢:re oneQ th~ ~qcident to a'

:;~dOn 9illJ,/lE6Id th~F!31 abou iieportj \\FaS interviewed by the FBI,

~t~e~~r[::]{~({ report~:d the sto:~~tJrli;~is interview was.the ..firstL....Jhad heard the story;' ::tdid get to/ see ~:~)f. suspected hij ackers thatwas taken o.n''9-1 1. .:' / !!: :, \" \, -.

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[u]D~idtha~ ,/ , .witnessed the incidel)t'J !the 0 Terminal and...is accessible to the Cominjs~io,,). In a fOllQW

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Commission staffat Dullesl / . ! Idld not corroborat ' ccount. Heconcurred he wasworking the evening of the 1o" between the E,as~and the Westcheckpoints, buthe had no recollection of ~ confrontation betwe~aand four middleeasterners trying to by-pass the magnetometer. He Said it may h~ve happened, but he hadno recollection of it and might have been preoccupied with other passengers or in adifferent area at the time/ !' \,[UJDaid that sometime later (not on 9-11), he thinks a few days later, the FBI cameto his home around 9 p.m. and showed him approximately five pictures, He did notremember the agent'S' name. She was a young blonde female agent.c::::Jiid notrecognize the individuals in the pictures as any of the men he saw on September loth.Having read the agent's report on the interview withDCommission staff think thepictures shown to him were of employees with access, to the door at Dulles or video stillsof individuals recovered from the ADT security camera used at the terminal on the 10th -

NOT photos of,~.hesuspected hijackers. !

[U] A couple of weeks later, he saw color pictures of the hijackers in a news magazine"The National Enquirer" and recognized two of them as the people he saw on the 10th

dressed as ramp rats. He said the "Enquirer" story had pictures of all the hijackers but didnot associate them by fli ght. He said he did not have time to read the article thataccompanied the pictures. One of the rnen was tall with curly hair and the other one wasvery shory;'balding, and had a large f~irehead. He thought both men looked young.

[U]D~aid that none of the picturesithe FBI showed him resembled the pictures of thehijackers he saw in the newspaQer ora magazine. He did not recall any names associatedwith the pictures he recognized[:Jsaid that if someone showed him the pictures again,he could pick them out. He did not contact the FBI again to inform them of the fact thathe recognized a couple of the hijackers .

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• [U] D'~:ahg:J~e fol1ow-up~i~'it'TcEJ1!Y Commission staff, John T~m showedDanumber of pictures, including photos ofthe·AA -,#.77 hijacker~·Ddid not identify any ofthe pictures as individuals he .had seen on 9/10. ". ..,:.:' ..-

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/ ~OTE: After the int~iew, John Raidt cont.~d~dl lofthe FBI to relay thei information thaDow claims h~:fecog~iied two ofthe hijackers as people he had

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following the site visit; Commission staff plan to review surveillance footage ofthe.west checkpoint-from the evening of the 10th to look for images of theconfrontation in question; ", '

_ Contact EdCo;x:at f\1W AA to-find out who on 9-10 had ID badges and the code to.enter the doorin qu·estion,.''''' ./_ :/ oet a list ofthose personnel with the aforementioned credentials was on duty on

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

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Jja.~,~:·February 10, 2004

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p~~paredb~:, Quinn John Tamm, Jr.

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(jO,catio,~,: DullesInternational Airport, Herndon, VA

'. Par.~icipa"h:ts from theCommission. Lisa Sullivan, John Raidt, Marco A. Cordero,\"Quinn JohnTamm, Jr. \::,\

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\'" '''r--\ldate ofbi~~>""-',---------------., DullesI~tema~ advised of the 'identities of the professional staffers and the nature ofthe inv~stigation 'being condu~e? 'b)i the Natio:al Co~ission on ~errori.st Attacks Upon

'. the.United States, (the Comnllsslon)~1 Ihad previously been interviewed by\ Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Drug Enforcement\ Administration DEA:.. concemin his duties on 09/10/2001. At that tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ullesAi~ort.

I Ireported"t9 the FBI and DEA agents that on 09/10/2001 he was assignedto work at the west security.gate in the main terminal of Dulles Airport. Between 8: 10 pm .and 8:45 pm on that date, heobserved five males pass through the "security entrance,"contrary to airport procedure.vf'he males were mid-eastern in appearance.

On this date, 02110/2004~r-lwas shown and allowed to review aphotographic line-up consisting o~raphs of the following individuals:

Hani HanjourSaid BahajiMounir E-MotassadeqZakariya EssabarSaud al-RasheedMajed MoqedJasim Obaid Mohamed Obaid al-NaqbiRamzi bin al-ShibbhKhalid Sheikh MohammedHazma al-GhamdiNawaf al-HazmiSalem al-Hazmi

• Ali Abdul Aziz AliMohand al-ShehriAbdeIghani MzoudiAbderraouf Jdey

, Iwas asked if any of the individuals depicted in the above list, were themid~.¢astem males who attempted to pass thrysh:he srurity entrance of the West Gate,main terminal, Dulles Airport on 09/10/200~... aid that he did not recognizeanyone from that incident in the abov~.phritograp s.

A photocopy of the ~.hot6graphic line-up is attached to this report.

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1 Hamza Al-Ghamdi (UA 175)

2 Mohammed Atta (AA 11)

3 Hani Hanjour (AA 77)

4 Said Bahaji

5 Khalid AI-Mihdhar (AA 77)

6 Marwan AI-Shehhi (UA 175)

7 Waleed AI-Shehri (AA 11)

8 Mounir El-Motassadeq

9 Zacarias Moussaoui

10 Zakari ya Essabar

11 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, aka Mukhtar

12 Majed Moqed (AA 77)

13 Ahmed Al-Haznawi (UA 93)

14 Saud AI-Rasheed

15 Salem Al-Hazmi (AA 77)

16 Majed Moqed (AA77)

17 Abdul Aziz Alomari (AA 11)

18 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

19 Jasim Obaid Mohamed Obaid Al-Naqbi

20 Satam AI-Suqami (AA 11)

21 Ramzi Binalshibh, aka Ramzi Omar

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22 Moshabob Al-Hamlan

23 Ahmed Al-Nami (UA 93)

24 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, aka Mukhtar

25 Rani Hanjour (AA 77)

26 Zacarias Moussaoui

27 Mohand Al-Shehri (UA 175)

28 Sameer Mohamed Mahmood Abu Ong

29 Mustafa Al-Hawsawi, aka Hashem Abdulrahman

30 Hamza Al-Ghamdi (UA 175)

31 Waleed Al-Shehri (AA 11)

32 Tawfiq Bin Attash, aka Khallad

33 Nawaf Al-Hazmi (AA 77)

34 Ahmed Al-Haznawi (UA 93)

35 Khalid Al-Mihdhar (AA 77)

36 Ramzi Binalshibh, aka Ramzi Omar

37 Abdul Aziz Alomari (AA 11)

38 Saeed Al-Ghamdi (UA 93)

39 Nawaf Al-Hazmi (AA 77)

40 Salem Al-Hazmi (AA 77)

41 Wail AI-Shehri (AA 11)

42 Saeed Al-Ghamdi (UA 93)

43 Wail Al-Shehri (AA 11)

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