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Published this site March 1, 2003This story was published after I received the C-File of Charles Manson. It is a very important story

behind the scenes of the Manson case following the murders, trials and incarceration of theconvicted killers. The C-File for each inmate is considered protected, vital, and closely guarded.

There is a "Confidential" side of the file that the attorney for the inmate nor the inmate may view.This C-File of Charles Manson was stolen from within the prison walls. That means a person had to

be an employee, be trusted, have access, opportunity and motive for future gain.

The story is now published because it is of such importance. I read every piece of paper in more

than one box, a job that took several days indeed. George and Sandra Good were furious that thefile was given to me. Manson and his loyal followers would have rejoiced to have been given thisC-File. Inside the C-File were files of each of the murdering Manson family members. I ampublishing it on these site so that people who study the case may see more in detail the behind the

scenes activities. The e-mail address I use has been changed so do not try to send mail to thataddress. My post office box has been changed too. I left them as they were published to maintain the

integrity of the story.

The C-File that was stolen was actually demanded to be returned by the man who gave it to me. Thisis that story...

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THE MANSON C FILE -- From the News Alert Page:

Way back in the 1970's, some staff member, guard, administrator, someone who had

access to the central file of Charles Manson stole it right out of the prison. The

Department of Corrections has been investigating that theft for many years. It was that C

File that was given to me by the man from Santa Rosa, California. He told me he

received it with a shipment of boxed clothing destined for another country. He said thatout of the 21-20 or so boxes, he opened one of them and found all these papers. It was

official looking so he shared it with some of his professional friends in the Day Trading

business. They were astonished indeed.

He made two trips to Orange County to deliver the vast collection to me. It was during

the second flight to Orange County that I received the original finger print card of

Charles M. Manson! That was around 3:30 P.M. on a Saturday afternoon. Sunday I

showed it to a former police officer and good friend. He told me it might be a felony for

me to even have it. Early on the following Monday morning, I placed three calls to theDirector of prisons for the state of California. I agreed to surrender that card

immediately, and within 48 hours it was signed over to an investigator for the CDC.

The gentleman who brought me the Manson file had big hopes for riches. He dreamed

of getting wealthy over the material. I cautioned him that there were no get rich schemes

in this Manson case. Nevertheless, he dreamed. He expressed a possible value of

$20,000 just for that April 11, 1970 original finger print card! We signed an agreement

for 50/50 of any revenue from the sale of the material. I had notified two prisons when I

received the first box and it seemed that copies of the file might be legal to sell. That is

when I began listing the Resources Two Page and the items for sale.

After more conversations with the CDC I decided the file was not our property to sell. It

had been stolen for sure and I agreed to return the entire collection to the investigator.

He came to my house and retrieved the last box of the Manson C File and I deleted the

Resource Two Page of Manson C File material in his presence. He told me that was not

necessary, but I wanted to be totally free of any conflict with law enforcement. I did not

keep one single piece of paper, but I did read every piece of paper during the time I had

it in my custody. The department knew that and expressed no problem about it.

So, what has happened since I turned all of the "stolen" Manson C File over to the

rightful owner? I have been threatened with civil action for giving away the material!

Yes. An attorney from Santa Rosa, California has actually been trying to serve me with

legal documents demanding the return of stolen material. Imagine, standing before a

judge and telling the judge that I have damaged his client by giving back to the prison

stolen private files of the notorious cult leader Charles Manson. How dumb is this

attorney. Tell you what. I have written the Director of the California Department of

Corrections and informed him of this threat. Should the attorney continue this unwise

and stupid attempt at service, I shall create a new page with all of the e-mailcorrespondence from the gentleman who gave the file to me as well as the one e-mail

that I read from the attorney.


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:

Subj: C. Manson papersDate: 8/11/99 3:16:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (Arnie Larson)

To: [email protected]

Bill,

Could you help me out and advise me whom I could sell Manson's prisonfilethat was being thrown out some years ago? I don't think they knew whattheywere doing. It contains some of everything, jailbreaks,rule violations,

psychereports letters from Fromme, I mean amassing material, if you could

e-mailme back, or another address [email protected] Thank you

Subj: Re: C. Manson papers

Date: 8/11/99 6:14:12 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Bill,As far as I know it looks like a file that would be kept in the prison. It hassome papers marked confidential and some marked central file. Its gotletters to Doris Tate, all sorts of different violations, probation hearings,all the letters about letters being returned, his finger prints when he wasat San Quintin, jail break that was found out about, embarrassing letters,one written in blood saying free Charlie, all sorts of court documents, and a bunch of psyche reports. I don't know anyone relating to Manson.write back

Subj: Re: C. Manson papersDate: 8/11/99 6:19:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: LLLEEROY

To: M69MURDERS

sorry I left out the times of the file, it has reports on him from the sixtiesto the mid 80's

Subj: Re: C. Manson papersDate: 8/11/99 8:44:33 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Bill,

I've never done anything like this before, I have no idea of any laws if this is unlawful or not. I don't even have a lawyer to ask about it. So pleasedon't tell anyone till you advise me. Thank You


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P.S. I wrote a few publications that

this was for sale. Big mistake on my part.

Subj: meetingDate: 8/13/99 5:12:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (Arnie Larson)To: [email protected]

Hi Bill,

I'm probably going to be getting into L.A. sometime on Sat. as soon as Iget there I'll give you a call!! Arnie

Subj: Re: meetingDate: 8/14/99 3:05:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Bill,

I got to late of a start today, I'm going to fly into John Wayne on Sundaysorry if I held you up, I haven't talked to anyone else about the papers,is that OK for Sunday and if so what would be a good time to fly in? Arnie



Hi Bill,

Hope everything's going good, I gathered up other docs and will see yousoon. Arn

Subj: Re: meetingDate: 8/16/99 4:38:31 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

I hope you find something that really puts them in there place!!!If he wants to know how much the file ran, tell him that I donated

it. Right as I wrote the last sentence they just tried to call me on mycell phone!! Arn



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I don't want to talk to anybody about this, try not to mention my nameto anyone, I wouldn't put it past them to put my name in print, they'rescum, and if somehow these papers become famous I want you to bethe one in the public light, you know what I mean, if you want, besidesyou not only deserve it, it's great free publicity for the web site!!!! Arn


Bill,they never knew about Manson's letter to Fromme or most of the other documents, I only brought about 20 things out of the file, mostly just junk.

Arn


I didn't answer the phone, caller I'd said 561 5611111 also their 800 #says number unavailable, Bill, I don't take any calls from them or

the other people. Arnie

Subj: Re: meetingDate: 8/16/99 5:44:18 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROY

To: M69MURDERS

they didn't leave a message, I only saw their number on caller id whilewriting you. I think they want a letter I have that a rep from the campfire girls wrote Manson to meet with him. Arn


Bill,

Please don't even mention me, I think they'll get the hint from me notresponding. Thank You Arn

Subj: updateDate: 8/18/99 1:03:30 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROY


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To: M69MURDERS

I'm going to come back down there sometime this week with the rest of thefile. I hope you can piece the papers together, I'll call you on Wed. and letstalk over some ideas. Arnie

Subj: Hi Bill

Date: 8/20/99 1:20:05 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [email protected] (Arnie Larson)To: [email protected]

I'm going to come down again on 'Friday the same way, I'll callfirst,someone has

been getting on to my AOL site so I changed the password, I'll be

staying for a few days at my aunts house so we can talk in depth. I'll page you today. A

Subj: Re: Hi BillDate: 8/20/99 3:42:56 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

I couldn't get a flight till tonight I'll call and update you in the early evening.

Arn

Subj: visitDate: 8/20/99 8:39:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (Arnie+ Larson)To: [email protected]

Bill,I couldn't get a flight tonight, I'll be getting in ataround two thirty PM to the same airport on Sat. If I don'tsee you there I'll page when I get in. Arn

Subj: updateDate: 8/23/99 6:13:54 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [email protected] (Arnie+ Larson)To: [email protected]

HI BILL,

I FLEW HOME TODAY, MONDAY, PLEASE WRITE ME AND TELL ME ANYUPDATES OR NEAT THINGS YOU HAVE FOUND OUT. YOU HAVE MY TOTALTRUST AND HOPEFULLY ARE FUTURE ALSO!!!!!! THANK YOU ARN

PLEASE SEND ME E-MAILS AT [email protected]


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Subj: Re: updateDate: 8/23/99 7:25:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (Arnie+ Larson)To: [email protected]

Bill,

That's why I trusted everything to you, I knew after readingyour web site you were the one that would know how to do theright thing. Thank You Arn

Subj: Hi BillDate: 8/24/99 11:43:57 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [email protected] (Arnie Larson)

To: [email protected]

How's everything going? You must have had a busy day, anyway give me a

callor e-mail me when you get a chance. Arnie

Subj: HiDate: 8/25/99 12:46:12 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Hi Bill, I didn't know if you received my mail I sent you, I hope everything went wellon Tuesday, give me a call or mail me back when you get a chance, I lead a boring life

and need input other than stocks and options that's putting me in the poor house.Thank You Arn

Subj: Re: HiDate: 8/25/99 11:04:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time


good luck

Subj: HIDate: 8/26/99 9:37:00 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Happy Birthday!Hope everything went well for you today. I had a good talk with a CDC official

and I think they're going to be happy to get back some of those items, I guessthey've been missing for over five years! Write back and tell me the news and what they're going to want from me. Thank You Arnhope you do something nice for your B-DAY I know you've been hard at work!


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Subj: UPDATEDate: 8/28/99 8:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time


Hi Bill,Hope you had a great birthday!!Is there a reason you have not contacted me? Arnie

[email protected]@ecxite.com707 494-9100

Subj: HI BILL

Date: 9/3/99 5:27:27 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [email protected] (Arnie)To: [email protected]

I wrote you a e-mail on your new address, if it didn't get to youcould you write back, I need to get in touch with you. Thank YouArnie

Subj: Hi BillDate: 9/3/99 7:19:50 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: LLLEEROYTo: M69MURDERS

Hope all is going well. I wrote to you from your web site but I don't know if a return address is left. Anyway could you mail me back and tell me a good

time to contact you. I talked to friends that advertise on web sites and theyhave some great ideas! I might be in L.A. around the middle of next week 9/8 or 9/9 could you get back to me before then please. Thank You Arnie

Hope all is going well. Could you e-mail me and tell me a good time toget in touch with you. I've talked to advertisers that have some good insight on web sites. I might be coming to L.A. by the mid part of nextweek 9/8 or 9/9 could

you get back to me before then please. Thank You Arnie Larson

p.s. my mom had me e-mail one of your references

I did it just to make her happy. I hope you didn't mind.

Dear Bill:

This letter serves as a request for clarification regarding our contractual agreement.

A. How many different items are going to be for sale?

B. A general guideline as to your marketing procedure.


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C. Accountability for the distribution of the documents.

( I need to be certain that all moneys received are accounted for and dispersed

in the appropriate manor as per the agreement.) Thank You Arnie Larson

RICHARD W. FREEMAN, JR.LAW OFFICES-50 OLD COURTHOUSE SQUARE-5th FLOOR-SANTA ROSA

September 15, 1999

Bill Nelson

Pin Power Publications and California Breeze ProductionsP.O.Box 1585Costa Mesa, Ca 92628

Re: Arnie Larson

Dear Mr. Nelson:

Please be advised that I have been retained by Arnie Larson to securethe return of the materials that he forwarded to you and to ensure that you

not copy , disseminate, or publish any of these materials under anycircumstances without securing his permission in advance. It is myunderstanding that you have not yet agreed to honor Arnie's request that allof the materials be returned to him.

As you are well aware, having prepared the 2 written agreements, thereis a non-disclosure provision that is in force and effect until anagreement is signed for dissemination, publishing or sale of thematerials. At present, you have possession of the materials only for

purposes of evaluating them and preparing a marketing plan. Since you haveunilaterally decided to turn over some of the materials without Arnie'sknowledge or consent.

At this time, I reiterate Arnie's demand that you IMMEDIATELY returnall of Arnie's materials. Upon notification, he is prepared to personallyclaim them (to ensure that all materials are there and to ensure their integrity). Do not keep copies of any materials, do not further distributethe materials, and do not publish or disseminate in any other fashion any of these materials. If there are any further transgressions by you or if youfail to immediately return the materials, Arnie will be forced to pursue allavailable remedies against you and any other entities or individuals

involved.

You are not justified in attempting to withhold materials by contendingthat CDC is involved since Arnie is in communication with them on his own.

You are not justified in withholding materials or copies of based on any


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claim for your services (if you have any such claim, it can be separatelystated, but you may not hold documents that belong to someone else hostage).

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or comments or, if you prefer, have your legal representative contact me.Unless we have an unqualified affirmation that the materials available for Arnie's retrieval of them by tomorrow, we will pursue appropriate legalremedy. A verbal response will not suffice, but a fax to me or e-mail toArnie will.

Very truly yours,

Richard W. Freeman, Jr.

RWF/scd

Bill,

This is another letter requesting the return of all of my collection of material that I was having you look over. Youhave changed your address so I wanted to send another copyto make sure for the third time that you've received it.Here is the same request: I demand you return all of mymaterial, copies as well as originals! I read on your site that you met withthe CDC again and gave away more of my property.Sir that is my property, and I will meet with the CDC, I've had long talks

with Mr. Perry and have agreed to do so.You've broken every agreement we had sir.Reach me as soon as Wednesday to make plans for the retrieval of mymaterial.

Arnie

(The spelling was corrected for the above communications. The attorney was extremelycareless with his writing. He was so careless that the CDC investigator made a commentand shook his head. )

My Response to the collection letters:

Mr. Arnie Larson:

Be advised I have no papers from the Manson collection. Not one. No copiesor originals. Nothing! Everything has been turned over to the investigators

of the CDC and I shall not communicate with you again about it. I refused the package from your attorney today. My for sale offer has been removed from the web page design (in the presence of the CDC officer) and will NOT

be offered when I finally get back on my web site. Be advised.

-Mr. Nelson 9-16-99


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----- Original Message -----From: Arnie+ Larson <[email protected]>

To: < [email protected]>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:01 PMSubject: collection

The following document was executed:

Bill Nelson

P. O. Box 1585, Costa Mesa, California 92628

Author/Producer/Web Host

E-mail: [email protected]

August 26, 1999

I, Bill Nelson, do hereby surrender the original copy of a finger print card for Charles M. Manson, whichwas processed on April 11, 1971. I was given the document for the purposes of marketing it, but believed it had to be stolen by a prison guard, administrator, counselor, or some person with inside access to theSan Quintin maximum state prison.

I made an agreement to surrender the document, and other original documents regarding Manson to Mr.Brian Perry, in response to three telephone calls I made to the CDC Director on Monday of this week.

I shall not be charged with any law violation for surrendering this original document. I notified the CDCimmediately upon receipt of the document for direction. Additionally, I am supplying the CDC with copiesof all e-mail from the man who brought the document to my attention to facilitate an investigation.

I as directed by Mr. Perry may keep other files, copies, and duplicates, which are not original. I had previously informed both the Public Information Officers at CIW and Corcoran State Prison about thematerial I had received before I was given the finger print card.

There are 33 original documents being surrendered with the original finger print card of Charles Manson,as well as an actual folder/jacket that must have been removed from the prison under questionablecircumstances.

Receiving these original documents as a representative of the California Department of Corrections, is ____________________________________.

Executed this 26th day of August 1999 in the city of Santa Ana, California.

_______________________________ ____________________________

Signature Signature


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CC: CDC Director

September 16, 1999

Because of our telephone conversation about ...

You will recall that I placed an additional series of calls to your office when I determined the originalfinger print card, and a large box of files were most likely stolen from one of your state prisons. Your office then had an investigator contact me the same day and he informed me that a top investigator would

be contacting me. This was in conjunction with the investigation I asked for concerning the activities of

Charles Denton Tex Watson and his Abounding Love Ministries. The same investigator acted as a conduitto take custody of and return to Sacramento that finger print card.

I have met with the investigator on two occasions and have indeed turned over questionable documents

that I believed should be the property of the Department of Corrections. That last meeting was Monday of this week when he came to my house and I gave him a box of papers weighing approximately 20 poundsof Manson material. I subsequently made an announcement on my web site about the return of thematerial. (My site has been down and not accessible since last Friday due to the hosting company internalcliches and will be back up by Sunday—I hope and will be supported by another company)

The gentleman who gave me all of this material to market on my web site has retained an attorney todemand the immediate return of his material. Demanding the return of stolen material – by an attorney?How dumb is that? I am sending a copy of the attorney’s e-mail to me last night along with the e-mail from

the man who gave me the material.

The only papers I have left out of all the material are a few copies of some of the copies from the Mansonmaterial. I could have purchased most of the papers from court records or parole hearing transcripts. Ihave no original papers in my custody. If your department so directs, I will remove any offering of any

copies of the Manson material from my web site. I would like to keep the few papers I copied for researchand historical purposes only, which seemed to be proper when I contacted both Corcoran and CIW for input from the respective PIO’s before I received that finger print card in the second visit from Arnie.

I paged your investigator last nigh upon receiving the e-mail from Arnie and his attorney. Neither theinvestigator nor I see any bases for a civil legal action for me turning back to the CDC material stolenfrom a state prison. I believe I have done the right and proper thing here and that for this man to insist thatI return to him his "property" is an admittance that he "knew" it was stolen and he holds no rights to thematerial – or at the least having been informed that it was stolen, he is willing to claim ownership of it.That may be the violation of Receiving Stolen Property (PC496?)

Mr. Director, I just wanted to bring this development to your attention since you know of me, my work and the results of my first book abut Tex Watson. Your investigator is a true professional and he does his

job well. I just felt you had a right to know the facts of this particular situation.

Sincerely,

Bill Nelson


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Bill Nelson

P. O. Box 1585, Costa Mesa, California 92628

Author/Producer/Web Host

September 22, 1999

C. A. Terhune

Director

Department of Corrections

P. O. Box 942883

Sacramento, CA 94283-0001

Dear Mr. Terhune:

Thank you for your kind letter in response to my gift of my latest book Manson Behind The Scenes. I am pleased that you already read a borrowed copy. I am thrilled that my first book was able to help you indefeating another prison in the small town of Ione, California.

As I informed you last week, the attorney for Arnie, the gentleman who gave me the Manson Central File

has been harassing, hounding, and attempting to send me mail requiring my signature with AirborneExpress and the post office. Today he tried to send me another e-mail with a long attachment. I obeyed the law and turned over to the Department of Corrections all papers given to me by Arnie. I did not keep asingle sheet of paper – copied or otherwise. I just do not think it is very fair for this lame brain attorneyfrom Santa Rosa to threaten me with civil action for turning over what appears to have been stolen

property.

Would you please have the investigator who spoke with this man Arnie inform him that I did the rightthing? I mean, after all, does he really have an actionable cause when it was the CDC property and stolen

from a maximum California State Prison? I think not.

I am asking for the Department of Corrections to do the right thing and inform these two greedyindividuals that they are way out of line. Perhaps I shall have to publish their names on my web site:

www.mansonmurders.com for the world to see the total absurdity of the situation.

Thank you sir for your quick assistance. I know you are the top man but it was you whom I called personally when that finger print card was given to me.

Respectfully,

Bill Nelson

Some of my messages to Arnie:


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Well, hello there Arnie. Finally, I am ready to begin listing all the stuff.I will be working on it this weekend, and I started a new page where it will

be published. Resource Center Two. I am publishing updates as I write this.Keep your fingers crossed. - Bill----- Original Message -----From: Arnie <[email protected]>To: < [email protected]>Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 5:23 PMSubject: HI BILL

OK Mr. Arnie:

I just published successfully. You will see the new resource center pagetwo. The items you gave me will begin to appear on that page. The item

number will be AB- (representing Arnie/Bill) for us to easily identify.

I am glad to be this far along now. It has been a nightmare! I have really

been misled on this cc processing, without the aid/help/assistance/understanding/and endless effort

of Tracey...I would have gone crazy!

Should be in and out this weekend. Great to give you the updates!!!-Bill----- Original Message -----From: Arnie <[email protected]>To: < [email protected]>Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 5:23 PMSubject: HI BILL

Dear Arnie,

In the first place, no one has purchased any of the material I have already published and posted on the page Resource Center Two. All of the items as Isaid I would do, are clearly marked AB to identify them as from you and me.

This is no get rich quick scheme.

If you desire to have back that which I did not return to law enforcement,then I shall give you your copies. I have copied a lot of it, sorted it,

tried to put it into an appealing kind of merchandise arrangement, and spentdozens of hours publishing the material offered. If that does not meet your

demands, then take it back. It is not your property any more than it is my property, so there is no question of ownership. You hold no special "rights"to it. Nor do I.

It is material that should have stayed in the prison system, but did not.It is kind of like the crime scene photographs. They were introduced in thetrial, a retired cop gave me my copies and the freedom to look at hismaterial. I have sold copies, he is now dead, and there are dozens of placesto purchase the crime scene stuff. Even E-Bay sells it. I do not do it

there.

I will keep what I have copied as compensation for my time, trouble, hours

of processing, etc. I really think you have a wrong idea about the worth of


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Hint! The word 'Beast' is involved.

The entire C-File was returned to theDepartment of Corrections. Not one single paper

was kept by me.

There was a brief investigation.

No charges were ever filed.

The attorney and Arnie dropped their demands. I

have not heard a word from them since 1999.

Inside the Manson C-File were original letters

sent to the home address of Doris Tate speakingout against the release of any of the Manson


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family killers. Mr. Kay asked me "not to publish"that information because it might scare peopleaway from writing the Board of Prison Terms

opposing the release of the inmates. I trulybelieve that any citizen deserves to know that

their personal letters and their home address maybe compromised by careless care of a C-File. No

citizen could possibly dream that such an eventcould take place - but it did!

Just imagine what might have taken place if Manson loyalist saw the home addresses of

private citizens who dared to express their views.

Sandra Good served over a decade in prison forthat kind of behavior.

It is just one more illustration that the CDC and

the BPT is careless with confidential information.

Money that I spent during this investigation,

return of the C-File, telephone calls to the CDCDirector were never reimbursed as promised. Somuch for the critics who repeat often that is all

about money.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPLETE

INVESTIGATION, AN ARREST AND ACONVICTION


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