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MEMORANDUMFORTHERECORD

Event Langley Air Force Base Site Visit

Type ofevent Recorded Interview

Date Monday December 012003

Special Access Issues None some of the discussion was classified and the tape classified accordingly Those discussions were technical and are available on tape

Prepared by Miles Kara

Team Number 8

Location 119th fighter Wing Detachment One Headquarters

Participant- Captain Craig Borgstrom Trail (3d Man) for the Quit scramble on 9-11

Participants - Commission Miles Kara Kevin Shaeffer

Observer- Colonel Pam Jefferson USAF Base Legal Office

Note Please refer to the recorded interview for additional details

Background

Captain Borgstrom enlisted in the USAF in 1993 and in January 1997 left for pilot training He got back to the unit in July 1999 and was hired as a full time pilot until May 2000 He then flew commercially for about a year and return to the 119th in April2001 middot and assumed his then duties as the Operations Officer at the 119th Detachment at Langley

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Prior to 911 he sat alert three week~long tours If they were scrambled it was for a drug mission or civilian traffic in distress or other military aircraft not squawking a valid code Response requirements havent changed What has changed is the sense of urgency and the combat load the aircraft carry

He was asked about the wait from battle station to scramble on 911 Borgstrom distinguished battle station from runway alert Runway alert means the engines have been started The detachment doesnt determine which condition to assume NEADS does that Runway alert is a little more time critical from the Detachments perspective When asked again why not runway alert on 911 he said that was not their decision middot

They have a scramble phone at the Detachment as a heads up They have a horri which is the actual signal accompanied by lights which distinguish battle stations from runway alert from scramble His action as SOF would call the Sector for additional information On 911 the Sector called first to ask how many aircraft they could send up He answered three and was directed to do that He also talked to the Wing Intel Officer in Fargo and learned about the -first tower

He first called the Wing Commander in Fargo to give him a heads up that three planes were scrambled something that had never been done on alert ever They got

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the hom as he was climbing up the ladder into his aircraft He started basically about the same time as the other tWo He doesnt recall exactly the heading he wrote 020 on his check list he recalled His notes ofthat day in the cockpit were not retained

Borgstrom was on the HUNTRESS frequency He detailed the facts he knew in that capacity He knows they were told to go max sub-sonic he knows they were giving a heading of020 at one point He knows they were in the 20K range altitude-wise He knows that they were told to CAP He knows that the controller superimposed two numbers at one time Derrig took the comms lead initially with HUNTRESS He doesnt recall when he took over it was at some point in the CAP At no time did they receive any situational awareness ofwhat was transpiring on the ground-second tower other hijacked aircraft an aircraft approaching DC from either the north or the west or that UA93 was hijacked and turned around They did know that allaircraft had been told to land iminediately Their mission was to keep airplanes away from Washington DC he believes they got that mission from HUNTRESS

AFIO He believes that Derrig received that instruction and passed it to Eckmann over VHF At the time AFIO was something they had never used

The CAP coordinates Both he and Derrig heard and wrote down the coordinates so they knew they heard what was transmitted So they knew there had been a transposition

Mission As background he had heard from his wife that something had impacted the WTC He never dreamed it was a commercial aircraft He never thought at first that an airliner had hit the Pentagon he thought it was a truck bomb middot That was all unreal didnt seem feasible the humanitarian part He thought however that the nation was under attack There was no mission on take off just a heading and an altitude

ROE He was middotasked what they were protecting against what did Eckmann portray as the tactics of the CAP He thought they were to keep aircraft away from Washington DC Intercepting was not common in the CAP as he recalled He thought Washington Center did a decent job in making sureaircraft didnt come their way The fighters coming up from Andrews did cause some concern Overall they split up as a three-ship and spread out but did not communicate that to Sector So that led to the confusion about an aircraft over the White House It was one of the Quit flight Derrig escorted the Attorney Generals airplane in

SoF duties The SoF keeps track ofweather safety and other groundrelated admin and logistics duties The SoF does not do anything with tactics in the air When Borgstrom scrambled there was no SoF so an F-16 pilot from First Fighter Wing came over There is no recorded record of the flight in the air from that day Any cameras on or other recording would be at the call of any one ofthe pilots not the SoF He does not recall any recordings being made Perhaps the cameras were on at one point but the tape would have been recycled

Shootdown He recalls General Arnold calling either that day or in next day or two asked for a detailed in writing accounting of what happened that day He believes that ammunition records were checked as a part of the response to First Air Force He

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does not recall anything that day conveying a shoot down order He never heard weapons free terminology used that day

He estimated it would have taken 11-12 minutes to CAP the Pentagon from the end of runway heading at max sub-sonic and with calm winds and flight level290

He was show the Langley scramble path as depicted by radar and the scramble order He was asked how that is explained to the American public We didritgo out here because we wanted to go there We dont have the big picture concept in the cockpit so we go where we are vectored We could have come off the runway and headed to a vector right away He does not recall any comms directed at changing their heading from 090 for 60 He does not recall anything about Baltimore He does not recall going supersonic at any point

HUNTRESS coordinator was the originator of the inaccurate coordinates for the initial CAP location

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the hom as he was climbing up the ladder into his aircraft He started basically about the same time as the other tWo He doesnt recall exactly the heading he wrote 020 on his check list he recalled His notes ofthat day in the cockpit were not retained

Borgstrom was on the HUNTRESS frequency He detailed the facts he knew in that capacity He knows they were told to go max sub-sonic he knows they were giving a heading of020 at one point He knows they were in the 20K range altitude-wise He knows that they were told to CAP He knows that the controller superimposed two numbers at one time Derrig took the comms lead initially with HUNTRESS He doesnt recall when he took over it was at some point in the CAP At no time did they receive any situational awareness ofwhat was transpiring on the ground-second tower other hijacked aircraft an aircraft approaching DC from either the north or the west or that UA93 was hijacked and turned around They did know that allaircraft had been told to land iminediately Their mission was to keep airplanes away from Washington DC he believes they got that mission from HUNTRESS

AFIO He believes that Derrig received that instruction and passed it to Eckmann over VHF At the time AFIO was something they had never used

The CAP coordinates Both he and Derrig heard and wrote down the coordinates so they knew they heard what was transmitted So they knew there had been a transposition

Mission As background he had heard from his wife that something had impacted the WTC He never dreamed it was a commercial aircraft He never thought at first that an airliner had hit the Pentagon he thought it was a truck bomb middot That was all unreal didnt seem feasible the humanitarian part He thought however that the nation was under attack There was no mission on take off just a heading and an altitude

ROE He was middotasked what they were protecting against what did Eckmann portray as the tactics of the CAP He thought they were to keep aircraft away from Washington DC Intercepting was not common in the CAP as he recalled He thought Washington Center did a decent job in making sureaircraft didnt come their way The fighters coming up from Andrews did cause some concern Overall they split up as a three-ship and spread out but did not communicate that to Sector So that led to the confusion about an aircraft over the White House It was one of the Quit flight Derrig escorted the Attorney Generals airplane in

SoF duties The SoF keeps track ofweather safety and other groundrelated admin and logistics duties The SoF does not do anything with tactics in the air When Borgstrom scrambled there was no SoF so an F-16 pilot from First Fighter Wing came over There is no recorded record of the flight in the air from that day Any cameras on or other recording would be at the call of any one ofthe pilots not the SoF He does not recall any recordings being made Perhaps the cameras were on at one point but the tape would have been recycled

Shootdown He recalls General Arnold calling either that day or in next day or two asked for a detailed in writing accounting of what happened that day He believes that ammunition records were checked as a part of the response to First Air Force He

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does not recall anything that day conveying a shoot down order He never heard weapons free terminology used that day

He estimated it would have taken 11-12 minutes to CAP the Pentagon from the end of runway heading at max sub-sonic and with calm winds and flight level290

He was show the Langley scramble path as depicted by radar and the scramble order He was asked how that is explained to the American public We didritgo out here because we wanted to go there We dont have the big picture concept in the cockpit so we go where we are vectored We could have come off the runway and headed to a vector right away He does not recall any comms directed at changing their heading from 090 for 60 He does not recall anything about Baltimore He does not recall going supersonic at any point

HUNTRESS coordinator was the originator of the inaccurate coordinates for the initial CAP location

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does not recall anything that day conveying a shoot down order He never heard weapons free terminology used that day

He estimated it would have taken 11-12 minutes to CAP the Pentagon from the end of runway heading at max sub-sonic and with calm winds and flight level290

He was show the Langley scramble path as depicted by radar and the scramble order He was asked how that is explained to the American public We didritgo out here because we wanted to go there We dont have the big picture concept in the cockpit so we go where we are vectored We could have come off the runway and headed to a vector right away He does not recall any comms directed at changing their heading from 090 for 60 He does not recall anything about Baltimore He does not recall going supersonic at any point

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