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PURSUANT TO:
JOB NO. 21593BMM
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14 . Q. . ~D WHAT IS YOUR. 'oce~.~:A~J:.9N? .... _.: ... -; ....... , ...
15 A.I'M A CA,THOLIC. P!j.IE;ST ...
i6 Q. FATHER ., .ARE YOU PRESENTLY . EMPLOYED?
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19 A. THE BI'S,HOP' OF SAN BERNARDINO.
20 Q • AND WHAT .IS '-YOUR .TIT!.E OR POStTION?
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22 Q.. HOW LONG ,HAVE YOU HELD THAT POSITION?
23 A. SI'NCE SEP,:!;,EMBER OF '91.
24 Q'.. AND WHAT WAS YOUR TITLE OR l'?OS];,IDI-ON IN
25 EMPLOYMENT BEFORE SEPTEMBER OF· '91?
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ABOUT FI:J.~YE~~S-- ~O;R YEARS. -SINCE JUNE . ':"/'~\~'~;';.: __ ., ';''''''>:.: ... ~ . ., '~'" -" .. :,5~· ...
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A .• YEAH. . .>l\.UGUST OF ',88. WAS' WH'EN I LEFT_.
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16 Q. ALL'RIGIl:T. IS IT ,ALL RIGHT IF I CALL YOU
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18 A. ' THAT,'S PROPER., THANK YOU.
19 . Q. ,.FATHER., 'THE PROCEll;D,ING' THAT WE'VE JUST·
2'0 BEGUN ,HERE IS .CALLED A DEPOSITION.
2 HAVE YOU EVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
2 YOUR DEPOSITION'TAKEN BEFORE?
2 A;· -NO" I HAVEN;T.
24 Q. DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. ,TO SPEaK WITH
25 SONEONEABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PROCEEbING BEFORE WE
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13.THROUGH IT AND MAKE ANY CRiNGES OR CORRECTIONS YOU
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MAKE SOME CHANGES OR· CORRECTIONS, . IF THIS CASE GOES
TO TRIAL, I GET TO STAND UP AND . SAY, "HE SAID ONE
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AND SOMETI·MES. IT LOOKS UNFAVORABLE UPON A·WITNESS.
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THOUGH WE'RE IN AN' INFORMAL SETTING HERE AND AT LEAST
ONE OF US IS VERY CASUALJ:.,Y ATTIRED, THE TESTIMONY YOU
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12 THAT YOUWOk~ T'fRY Tc:i.ll.iiSWER ANY QUE:STIONS UNLESS YOU. , . . .; . .
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'1'6 REPORTER '-6 BENEFIT, PRIMARILY , ,AND THEN WE'LL 'GET
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18 NUMBERGNE, SHE IS ONLY 'PERMITTED .TO
19 TAKE DOWNA. VERBAL, AUDIBLE RESPON-SE,. IN EVERYDAY
20 CONVERSATION WE USE A LOT. OF NODS AND GESTURES AND
21. UH:"HUH'S' AND HUH-UH'S,' WHICH WORK FINE WHEN WE HAVE
i 22 EYE CONTACT. BUT SOMETIM~S THEY GET CONFUSED WHEN
23 .YOU TRY TO WRITE THEM DOWN.' SO WE WOULD ,ASK THAT YOU
24 SPEAK AUDIBLY AND AVOID THE SLANG PHRASES OF "UH-HUH"
25 AND "HUH-UH." IT WILL MAKE HER JOB EASI,ER.
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'13 Q .• DOYOU'HAYE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME BEFORE WE
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Q. DO :YOU. BELONG TO, ANY PARTICULAR ORDER.?
17 A. . YES. THE' CONVENTUAL ·FR1\.NCISCANS·. .• " ... ~,.,--., .. -- . • ••• ,., .•. ,--,_ .... "".,_ .•. _ •. _,.,.-_ .... ,-_ •• ,,_ .•••• "'.-,."' ..•.•• , -";..,,..!.,.- "-" -','."'. '_.""" .,-""""-"-
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1.9 ·A. "FOURTEEN YEARS.
2 0 Q.. WHO rio YOU RECEIVE YOUR PAY FROM?
A. MY PAY? WELL,' AS A RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY, A
22 FRANCISCAN. COMMUNITY, WE'RE ·':'."WE PERSONALLY DON'T . . . ' .
. 23 RECEIVE PAY. WE ARE -- THE BISHOP, 'THROUGH THE
24' PARISH, PAYS .FOR THE PRIEST SERVICES " AND THOSE GO
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'5 ).g'~V:li;ATdR~AND.THEPROVINCIAL CHAPTER; WHICH IS
16. THE GOVERNING. BODY OF OUR ORDER IN THIS 'JURISDicTION .' -
17 OF· CALIFORNIA', WILL' CHOOSE INDIVI'DUALS TO SERVE IN
18 THESE PARTICULAR .LOCATIONS .. AND WITH THE'· BISHOP'S
19 APPROVAL, THOSE NAM'ES AND THOSE. PEOPLE BECOME
20 . APPOINTED TO THE VARIOUS POSITIONS IN THE PARISH .
21 Q . . TO YOUR .KNOWLEDGE, 'bOESTHE BISHOP HAVE THE
. 22 ULT!MATE SAY-SO AS TO WHETHim' OR N.OT A PRIEST :I6
23 1\.SSI.GNED ·TO.A CHURCH WITHIN. A PARISH CONTROLL'ED 'BY
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·19 Q. . HOW LONG HAS HE HELD THAT POSITION?
20 A. SINCE·.:rUNE OF '91, I· BELIEVE IT WAS.
·21 Q.' AND 'WHAT ,IS HIS OFFICIAL TITLE?
22 A. MINISTER PROVINCIAL •.
23. Q. WHQ WAS THE MINISTER PROVINCIAL FOR THIS
24 REGION; SAY, ,IN 1987 THROUGH 1991?
25 A. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FATHER
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BERKELEY AT THE. FRANCISC,AN SCHOOL OF THEDLDGY.
Q. "HAVE YOU ATTAINEDANYADpITIDJ'il"ALPQSTGRADUATE
.DEGRElEcS, .. SINCE.YDUR··DEGREE IJiI-AG(!0U·N.T'I'NG-?
"A. WELL, THE MASTER OF . DIVINTTY FRDM THE·
FRANCISCAN "S'CHDDLOF THEOLOGY'>
17 Q. ANP IN CD;NJUNCTIONWITH YOUR MASTER'S OF . .
18 DIVINITY, DID ~DU WRITE A THESIS?
19 A· •. NO.
Q. HAVE ~OUEVER PUBLISHED?
A. NO.. DTHER THAN THE LETTER IN. THE ·PARISH·
22 BULLETIN ,NO .•
23 Q. . FAIR. ENOUGH' •. ' DO YOU UNDERSTAND THA.T WE'RE
24 HERE BECAUSE DF A LAWSUIT THAT .WAS .FILED ON BEHALF OF.
25 JASON_
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3. 'A, '.' YES; I DO;
4.Q . HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HII-P
5 11: •. WHEN I. WAS. AT QUEEN OF'ANGELS,I KNEW HIM"AS A
.' 6 S TUDENT_.lN~"THE~,EARI.Sa.:S.CROO.L_. __ -I-JUBT--KN.E:W-,ln.M~-AS--A-c-:-'- --:" ""-.' ---:-'-"·"'''~'··-----·-·'-~-~'''-7''"'-·'''''·'::'''''·-'':-':7·'·-'~ . .' ,,;,,-, .-':-;-"""'",.','-:":,';" ",-.;., ' ' .... ",-.. _. ' .. ' .,." . . '" ..
8 Q. AND .wHEN WAS T11AT, APPROXIMATELY? F ."
9 .. A. , •. GoEm. " ABOUT TilE" ';rIME I' GOT TO QUEEN OF . ,',.'-' -, '.,"
1;~O '.' """ANG Er;s;;~ I"·Db:tl'~"XNbw'WHii':~'·~RJi.bE··HE"'KiAS")IN,·'~·IlUTHE'/ .'.
11 WAS JUST. ON~, OFT.HEKI,DS THAT' I ,WOULD COME AC!.'OSS.
12 ,AND IT'· WAS UN1J~tiAL 'THAT HE' WAS ONE 'OF THREE JASONS IN
13A CLASSROOM WITH FIVE BOYS.
15 SEE YOU OUTS IDE • DON 'T' ·ANYBODY GET UP. THIS, WON '. T
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17 (DISCUSSION HELD OUTSIDE THE ROOM
18 .BETWEEN MR. SCHAEFER AND THE.*ITNESS.)
19 I GATHER AT THAT TIME THAT JASON _ WAS A
. 20 GRAMMAR STUDENT. ' IS THAT CORRECT?'
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,21 A. YEAH.
22 Q. AND YOU KNOW MR. JOST AS WELL,'DON'T YOU?
23 A. YES.
,24 Q •. HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN MR. JOST?
2.5 A. IT WAS DURING THAT TIME. I CAN'T SAY-EXACTLY
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Q. AND YDU, ALSO KNEW FATHER. BERNIEWALTOS?
5 A. YES.
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8 A .];,:RS ••• • MR." I'VE MET. AND THERE', S A
9 yOIJNGER BRbiB:ER. t' Rfi1fMBER. 10. ".,Q; ··,····,··,WEREf,£yOUPR.EVtOtJSLY' INTERV:rEWED By'''THJi!''
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11 RIVERSIDE :POLICEDEPARiMENT IN THE SUMMER OF 1,991
. 12 REG.l),RDIN.G,THE INCIDENT --'
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, '13 A.,' YES.
14 Q. .-- THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF ,'J.'JIJ;S. LAWSJlI,.T,,? .. IS
15 THAT CORRECT?,
16: A. YES.
17 Q. ALL RIGHT. WHERE DID THAT INTERVIEW TAKE
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18 PLACE?
19 A. AT SAINT THOMAS, THE CHURCH OFFICE.
20 Q. WHO INTERVIEWED YOU? WAS IT A MAN O~ A
21 WOMAN?
22 A. IT WAS.A MAN. I DON'T. REMEMBER HIS.N.l).ME. . " ..
, . 23 Q. WAS HE IN UNIFORM OR PLAIN CLOTHES?
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24 A.. PLAIN CLOTHES.
25 Q. DOES THE NAME SOUND FAMILIAR?
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4 DETECTIVE STEVENS ,AT THE Tnh: . ()F THAT iNTERVIEW?
5 FOR'MOST OF .IT, JUSTRE AND I. , . '. ' . - '.
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7 EJ:THimJOINED OR LEFT YOU DU.RING. T:!rAT INTERVIEW.
8 ".p.... FATHER_wi;. ASKED~~;OFFER .;, .. ,
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;d A. SEEMED. LIKE MAYBE HALF AN ROUR •
. 13 Q. . WERE YOU ADVI$ED A'1.' THAT TIME TRAT TREY
.. 14 TN'ERE Cp:NIltJ'GrJ.!:l.GAN .IN'lES.T):GATION. INTO ALLEGAT'IONS'
. . 15 INVOLVING DENNIS JOST?
16. A. YEB;.
17 Q .• NOW., APPROXIMA.TE;LY WHAT YEAR DID. YOU FIRST·
. 18 BECOME ACQUAINTED WITH MR. JOS.T?
19 A. I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE .TO BE EARLY. IN 'THE'
20 TIMET:fLAT I WAS' -AT' QUEEN OF ANGELS. SO·' 8 4 ~ '85,
'21 . PROBABLY. I GOT ACQUAINTED BY HAVING MET HIM IS
22 ALL.
23 Q. IS THAT YOUR' BEST ESTIMATE, .' 84 r' . ' 85?
. 24 A. YEAH .
25 Q. AND AT THE TIME THAT YOU FIRST BECAME
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8 A •.. I THINK THAT MR, JOST. CAMEO;~RTD VISIT ..... ;.- ...... ,.
9 E'ATHER BERNIEiAND INA CASUALSEN-SE I FATHER BERNIE . . . ~
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- . 12 .Q. - WERE YOU AWARE AT THAT TIME. DF ANY.' PDSITlnNS·
13 HELD BY MR _ 'JOST WITH RESPECT TO THE CATHDLIC CHURCH?
14 A .• ' NO.TAT,THAT.TIME_
.'15 :.Q. AT' SOME POINT "IN TIME,' DID YDU . BECOME AWARE DF
16 .' PDSITIONS .THAT HE HELD WITH THE CATHDLIC CHURCH?
17' A. YEAH. I . LATER FDUND OUT THAT. HE WAS IN SDME ..".,,~'-'-' ._" ,'., .. " •.. ; .. ""-" . -, ,,' .- ,-._"., ." .. __ ......
1 BCAPACITY AT . SAINT THOMAS, ·YEAH.
19 . Q- WHAT WAS THE CAPACITY THAT YDU UNDERSTOOD HE
20' HELD AT SAINT THOMAS?
21 HE WORKEP WITHTHE.ALTARBDYS.
22 NOW, WAS' THIS I·NFOj'(MATION. YDU GATHERED WHTLR
23 YOU WERE STILL AT QUEEN DB ANGELS?
24 A •. YES.
25 . Ci. AND DID YOU. UNDERSTAND, .WHILE YOU WERE AT
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",16 , ,Q.' , DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS' RESPO'NSIBL'E FOR TEE
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17 SELECTION OF MR. JOST AS THE DIRECTOR OF ALTAR
18 SERVERS?
19 MR. ,SCHAEFER: WHERE?
20 THE WITNESS: WHERE?
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22. QUESTION.
23 Q. DO,YOU'KNOW WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
24 ,SELECTION OF MR. JOST AT SAINT THOMAS?
25 A. NO, I DON r,T.
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A. . IT WOULD AS I· UNDERSTAND. THE.ORGl'l:NIZATIONAL
17 STRUCTURE, IT DEPENDS ON THE :PASTOR. IF HE DELEGATES
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19 HOW MUCH HE DELEGATES. HE COULl) TAKE IT ALL OR HE
20 COULD· DELEGATE IT ALL TO A COMMITTEE OR TO. AN
21INl) IVII)UAL ADMINI S TRATOR .
22 . Q, . DID FATHER BERNIE EVER TELL yo.U Ho.W HE FIRST
23 . BECAME· ACQUAINTED WITH MR. JOST?
24 A,. I THINK HE MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING .•
25 .. Q. DO YOU RECALL. WHAT THAT WAS?
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9 IT;~~~6~~ ;;~E'~k-;~RE IWENTO~ERTHERE. .. ",.',
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23 YES.
14' Q. 1'\:NIl.HQW. WAS. IT THAT Y_O.ULEARNED.THA·T 'P'ENNIS .. .. -.,,;. .
15.' WAS NO LONGER'SERVING' AS DIRECTOR OF THE AL.TAR BOY.S
16. AT SAINT THOMAS IN THE .F.IRST PART OF 198B?
17 A. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW I FOUND OUT.' I .. THINK
1.8 I MAY HAVE JUST HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT DENNIS WASN'T
19 . T.HERE ANYMORE.
20 Q. WERE YOU ADVISED AT 'SOME POINT IN TIME BY
21 FATHER .-. THAT' DENNIS HAD BEEN DISMISSED FROM
HIS'DUTIES BECAUSE OF PROPOSITIONING A YOUNG BOY FOR . . J " " .-. ,.I.". f ". _.: ~ ~ . . . u.,~~I'4: ~,"fb ~4-rr.¥~F'k':Q; ~.EXUA::": FAVO-!S? ~~~ ~~~. {.~ .... -1i;!;J;I.r. '.' '.!>' I DID NOT HEAR' THAT -U~- ~~. ~~S .
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8 Q. SO AT L'EAST' DURING TH.E FIRST. THRE.E YEARS .A·PTER· ."'-, ' ..... ,,'.
9 . 'DEN~IS 'DISMISS.i:L, . YOU HAD NOKNDWLEbGE WHATSOEVER AS
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12 ·THER.E' SALWAYS RUMORS, BUT I DON ~ T TAKE THEM VERY
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1·5 THE FIRST PART OF 1988 AN.D1991.ABOUT.MR. JOST' S
16 DISMISSA.]:..FROMSAINT THOMAS?
17 A." FRANKLY,' NOT MUCH. 'OF ANYTHING. JUST PEOPLE 0.- , ._, ,.'" .. ". ." ." .... -"" - - •
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1 8. WOULDN'T· SA.Y MUCH ..
1.9 .Q • WELL, WHEN YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU.HEARD NOTHING
.20 SPECIFICALLY BUT. JUST RUMORS , IT IMPLIED TO ME THERE
21 WERE CERTAIN RUMORS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD .• '
22 . I S THAT CORRECT i THAT YOU DID HEAR SOME
23 RUMORS? .... '-.. ' 24 A. THEY'WERE THE INAUDIBLE KIND. OF RUMORS THAT
25 PEOPLE WOULD SAY, "WHAT HAPPENED WITH DENNIS?"
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12 WOULD IT BE . ACCURATE' 'l'0 STATE ,FATHER, THAT
13·BEFClRE YOUR CONVERSATION WITH DE.TECTIVE '--IN.
14·.TRE- S.UMMEROF· 19.91 r THAT YOU·· HA,D,NO' INFORMATION-
15 WHATSOEVER REGARDINGALLEGIED SE'XUAL IMPROPRIETIES
16 INVOLVING DENNIS JOST?
A. CORRECT,
1S Q. DID YOU EVER GIVE AN INTERVI EW TO THE F, B, I .. ?
19 A. YES.
20 Q. AND WHAT TIME FRAME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHEN
21 yOU GAVE THAT INTERVIEW?
22 "A .• IT WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER I' TALKED TO'
23 DETECTIVE •••
24 Q. WHAT WAS THE NATURE -- LET ME BACK Up IF I
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15A .·NO; .. MUCH EARLIER I I WOULD SAY. MUCH
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. 17 . \ Q;.. ARE wE: TALKING MONTHS ?YE~RS? -'·"1 ·18 I , I
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CONVER'SATtON TOOK' PLACE .. IN?
A. NO. I COULDN'T EVEN GUESS AT THAT. ONE OF'
2 2 THOSE . THREE YEARS I wAs AT SAINT THOMAS I I KNOW.
23 Q. IT WOULD'BE SOMETIME B·ETWEEN.1988 AND 1991,
24 THEN?
25 A. YES.
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CONVERSATION WITH DENNIS~ THAT FATHER " -,' .,.' . , - . .
iT WASA~PROPRIATETODISM:ISSHIM.·
Q. AND 'WHAT .FATHER TOLD YOU WAS'THAT
·DENNIS··.:rOSTHAD., IN.' ;ESSEN'CE, .. PR.oPQSITIONEDT:tfR M.INOR ,,'" :".---.'-';:,"'"-"':'- ,'" .".; ... ',"-"" ,- " - ".'
. :"ALTAR BOY;' IS THAT CORRECT?
16 A. ·SO.METHINGOF A SEXUAL. NATURE; YES.
17 Q. AND THIS WAS SOMETIME BETWEEN 1988 AND 1991?
18 A. THAT. HE' TOLD ME OF THAT?
19. ..
Q. CORRECT. IS THAT CQRRECT?
2 .A. YE.S.
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2 Q. AT THE TIME THAT YOU WERE TOLD OF THIS . .'
INC:r:DEN'T BY FATHER.-, WERE YOU AWARE. THAT
2 MR. 'JOST WA.S AT THAT 'TIME WORKING AS DIRECTOR OF.
24 ALTAR S.ERVERS AT QUEEN OF ANGELS?
25 A. YES.
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··FOR.MR·.JOST' E{ DISMISSAL FROM SAINT·· THOMAS AT' THE
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4 SERVERS AGAIN AT QUEEN or ANG~LS;DIDiouUNDE1iTAKE
's ·ANY EFFOR~STO'NOTIFY THE P~IESTS'A'.I'QU~EN·OF.
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8 Q .• DID YOU TELL ANYONE AT THAT TiME OF TiE .. ~": ': :~'-' ... ' .. ,.::: ... ... ' ... c.· .. ··.•· .. ·
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13 THAT. 'nrFORMATION TO' THE PRIESTS AT QUEEN OF ANGELS?
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.15 DID ABOUT iT.'
1 . .6 Q. AND WHEN YOU .SAY "HE KN.E\:1," ARE YOU 'REFERRING
17 TO FATHER BERNIE?
18 YES.
19 Q. WHAT WAS· IT THAT LED YOU TO' CONCLUDE, WHEN YOU
20 BECAME AWARE OF THAT INFORMATION, THAT FATHER BERNIE
21 ALREADY K.NEW?
22 I. KNEW OF THEIR FRIENI)SHIP.AND I KNEW THAT
23.. DENNIS HAD -- WOULD OFTEN TALK WITH 'BE-RNIE ON
24 PERSONAL MATTERS. AND Ir THERE WAS ANYTHING IN
25 DENNIS' LIFE. THAT. WAS OF AN IMPORTANT NATURE r THEN
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l\ELATIONSHIP~ETWEEN FA.T~Elt BERNIE AND MR; JOST?
THAT THEY WERE GOOD.FRIENDS,·THAT 'THEY WERE
FRIENDS.
Q~SO BEtAUSE .OFTHE CLOSENESS, YOU DIDN'T FEEL
IT WAS NECESSARY TO ADVISE ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH
'. QUEEN OF AN~ELS ABOUT THE INFORMA'l'ION YOU HAD
. REGARDING DENNIS; t'tiRRECT?
A. . CORRECT.
q. . DI·D YOU EVE.R NOTIFY ANYONE ·AT .ALL ASSOCIATED
. WITH THE DIOCE.SE OF SAN BERNARDINO?'
A. NO.
Q. OTHER· THAN ,'THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING YOUR
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25 CHURCH IN THIS MATTER AND DE1'ECTIVE DID YOU'
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-E'VE·R 'DISCUSS THESE . .MATTERS 'WITH ANYONEE.LSE?
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5 Q. DID· YOU DISCU8S.THE'SE MAT.TERS WITH 'TREM,? , . , ' . . ', '
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15 A.. . WELL, JUST· THE F. B •. r. IS A'L:!:,. NO .oNE THAT I
16 CAN RECALL THAT I. SPOKE' TO ABOUT 'IT.
. 17 Q . ·AT ANY POI'NTIN TIME; 'DID YOU EVER COMMVNICATE ..... _ ... ,".'''- ..... . .. -, ." .. -"' "-'".,. '.~'''' -
Ig TO FATHER QERNIE' THAT YOU FELT DENNIS JOST SHOULriNOT
19 BE PERMITTED TO HAVEONE-ON-ONE CONTACT WITH ANY OF
20 .THE ALTAR BOYS? .
21. A. I DID MENTION THAT.
22 Q. WHEN. WAS THAT?
23 A. WELL, NOT SPECIF'ICALLY ALTAR ·BOYS.· 1. WAS.
24 CONCERNED ABOUT ANY UNSUPERVISED CONTACT WITH ANY OF
25 US," HAVING BEEN GIVEN DIRECTIONS FROM·BASICALLY THE
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12 Q; . IT tHAD TO DQ WITH PEOPLE IN GENERAL? .
-13 YES:
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24 i Q'.' ·DII),.tqVl?Y::E;R, .. T,ELL FATHSR:" BERN I.E. S:P:,E CI:F::c CALLY, .
15 THAT ·HESHOULD. T.RY 'TO'PROHIBIT OR PREVENT DENNIS J.OST
16' FROM HAVING UNSUPERVISED CONTACT WITH~NY ~HlLDREN? .. ~'." .... ,,-_.. .
A. NOT DENNIS PARTICULARLY ORSPECI.FICALLY , NO" . ., , •. ,.,-_.' --,.,.,-_.,,...,,, ...... '._.; ". '.-.,._-" ". ".,.,.,--,--,._, ...... ,
18 IT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD.
Q • WHEN, IF AT' ALL,' 'DID YOU EYER BECOME AWARE
20 THAT MR •. JOST HAD' BEEN CONVICTED OF CHILD MOLESTATION
21 IN". 1977?
. 22 A.· WHEN DETECTIVE ~ TOLD ME . IN THAT
23' INTERVIEW.
24 Q .• DID.YOU·EVER DISCUSS THAT WITH FATHER BERNIE?
25 . A. NO.
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"'13' , Q. HAVE YOU DISCUSSED' THEM' WITHIiiI"."; .
WE HAD' A CONVERSATION:; 14 A .. ;' ... , ""-'-'", '".";'"
15 Q..JUST ONE?
. 16 A. WELL i ·.OVER.A· PERIOO OF TIME, A'C.OUP~E. I'VE '.'
17 SPOKEN TO'HER A FEW TIMES . - .... _ .. ' ...... , --.... -,:.,--".,~" .. "".~"'" ...... ';,." ...
is"" . Q. IN PERSON OR ON THE PHONE?
1:9 . IN' PERSON.
20 Q. WHERE DID THOSE CONVE:El.SATIONS·TAKE PLACE?
21 :A. THE FIRST .WAS· IN THE JURY ROo'M. W.E WERE BOTH
22 ON. JURY.DUTY .
2.3 .. Q. . THAT WAS HERE AT RIVERSIDE SUPERIOR COURT?
24 A •. YES '.
. 25 Q. WHEN WAS' THAT?
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IT. WOULD HAVE BEEN AFTER I 'C~E TO :QUEEN OF·
WHERE DID THAT TAKE pr;iCE? .
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i2 ". A.' . A' FEW ·W.EEKS LATER. AT.·· THE RECTORY, T·liAT. I CAN
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14 Q... WAS.· .. THERE A FOURTH.?· .. -.' .. . .
15 A.WELL, Wi'HADCONVERSATIONS BUT WE DIDN'T TALK
.16 ·ABOUT THIS .
17 Q. . AT· THE T.IME OF YOUR FIRST CONVERSATION WITH • " '," ""' _~ .................. '_ ". ~: •• ,~,.".-.- ... , ,.".",.' "'0 -_._, ..
18 __ IN THE JURY ROOM, WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU?
19 .A. SHE TOLD .ME .HOW HER FAMILY WAS bOINGAND.HQW
20 JASON WAS AN ALTAR. SERVER AND A TEENAGER GROWING UP.
21 AND I HADNOT RE1:N IN CONTACT WITH HIM' OR HER FO'R --
22 SINCE I'D LEFT QUEEN OF ANGELS, AND .T.T WA;; NICE TO
23 GET UPDATED."
24 Q. AT THE TIME. OF' THE FIRST CONVERSATION, DID
25 SHE RELATE TO YOU ANY CIRC]JMSTANCES INVOLVING ALLEGED
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16 CIRCUMSTANCES OF DENNIS' DISMISSAL FROM THE SAINT.
17 THOMAS CHURCH BY F,ATHER' NORBERT? ',,. ",. '. ~-~,,' . .. "-".'-",, .......... -,""".-.'.'"
1 B A. . NOT OF THE. CIRCUMSTANCES.
-19,Q. SO THIS, CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE SOMETIME
20 AFTER YOUR CONVERSATION·WITH FATHER.~; IS THAT . . '
21 CbRRECT?
22 NO. I DID BOT KNOW OF THE £~ECIFICS OF
23 DENNIS' DISMISSAL AT TH~ TIME I ,TALKED "TO MRS.,"
24 IN THE JURY ROOM.
25 Q. AT 'THETIME THAT YOU SPOKE WITH MRS. _ IN
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BECi'uSE, I KNEW. THAT TFlMADE ACCUSATIONS. AGAINST ,'" .. -.. '-.' - ',~'::"',: <'\~.',.-,r"'"
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12' . DENNIs THAT WEREF.iLSE~ 'THAT~E is :ElEiNGA GOOD GUY AS
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, -13' FATHER BERNIE' HAD LED 'ME -ro BE.LIE:VE ,THEN THAT WOULD
14 BE INFI<-I~GING ON DENNIS' ·.RI.GHTS. "'. ". ; ...... :' .': ,,' - .-"
.15"I CAU.TIONED. H.ERTCl'JUST . LOO.K . INTO THE
16 SITUATIONMO~E CAREFULLY; TIUS' IS HER-MINOR 'S:bN; SHE
. 17' . STILL HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIM. SOMETHING OF THAT , . . .... ..:, ..... ' -_.,,0.,-_ ......
18 NATURE. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY .wHAT I DID SAY. BUT
19 I KNEW I HAD TO BE: CAUTIOUS ON B'OTH SIDES.'
20 Q. WHAT PARTICULAR RIGHTS. O·F MR.' JOST WERE YOU.
21 CONCERNED ABOUT INFRINGING UPON?
22 A · .. WELL, IFI ACCUS'EI;> HIM' O~ BEING A CHI.LD
23 MOLESTER AND HE'. WAS NOT, 'THEN- THAT'S DJi:'FAMATION ·OF
24 CHARACTER: OR WHATEVER.
25 Q. AND FOR WHAT REASON DID YOU SUSPECT THAT HE'S
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O:r EITHER;w'HATS:!!ETotDYOU OR YOU TOLD HER BEYOND
WHAT YOU DESCRIBED?
A . I DON'T ,THINK 90.
Q~ TELL ME THE NATURE OF YOUR SECOND CONVERSATION
WITH AT QUEEN OF: ANGELS IN 1991.
A. THIS WAf;' AFTER THE'INVESTIGATION STARTED. AND
I SPOKE 'WITH ,HER AND TOGETHER ABOUT
22 THE CHARGES AND A·BOUT WHAT CAN THE CHURCH DO TO.
23 PROTECT OUR YOONG PEOPLE FROM THIS KI~D OFAC~r~ITY.
24 Q. .HOW LONG WAS THAT CONVERSATION?
25 A. OH, WE SPOKE FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
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Q. AND YOU HAVE NEVER TOLD ANYONE ,THAT, HAVE
"1 YOU? . , .. -,. .-0'."-.""
18 A. SPECIFICALLY, I SAID TO HAVE THE UNSUP,ERVISED
19 CONTACT IS UNWISE. BUT TO SAY "DON',T' HAVE,IT,",I,
2'0 ,NEVER SAID THAT •
2 Q. . AND YOU NEVER DIRECTED THE WARNING
22 SPECIFICALLY, TO DENNIS J,OST EITHER; CORRECT?
23 A. ,SPECIFICALLY? NO,' NOT THAT I RECALL.
24 Q. WHAT WAS THE, NATURE OF YOUR THIRD CONVERSATION
,25 WITH_
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1 A. .·I·T WAS MUCH THE SAME· AS THE .SECOND,., .. ,., .. ,."."." ..•. ;" •... ,,·,.,"
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4 "A.. · .. IT WAS'. -- IN BOTH' CASES, WE WERE" JUST TR1;lNG
5 TO. UNLOAD AND GET FEELINGS.DUT IN ACO:UNSELIlm
SHE ;:,:} "",: ;" .
·8 . WAS TRYING . T()GET OUT? .
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" "12 ....'; .... DID SHE. TELL YOU' WHY SHE .. WAS ANGRY AT. THE·
'13 CHURCH?
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15 Q.WHAT WAS IT YOU UN[jERSTOODSHE FELT THE CHURCH
i6 HAD LET HAPPEN? " . ~
'17 ',. A •. THIS ~OLEST~~IO~OF HER SON. • ••••• , .• " •• -••••• ,-.-. <- .... __ •.• , ••• ".,.,-- ••••
18 Q. AND bID SHE TELL' YOU THAT ,ONE OF THE REASONS
19 SHE WAS ANGRY WAS BECAUSE THIS WASN'T THE FIRST·TIME
20 THE CA~HOLIC CHtiRCH HAD· LET ~R. JOST CO~E INTO ONE OF
21' THEIR .CHURCHES AND MOLEST. AN ALTAR BOY?
22 A .• YES. SHEWA.S AWARE OF SOME PRIOR , . WHICH I'M
23 ST:ILL NOT AWARE OF. I DON'T KNOW T.HE DETAILS' .OF THIS
24 PRIOR THING.
25. Q. DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT OCCURRED?
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1 . . A. IN ALTA LOMA ,T .. W1I.S'J:'Q):;P,o .. ,J;lP':!.' 1I.S';I'o" EJeACTLY. ·,;,· •. ·,·.",·,.,.<1
2' . "WH1dIT~WA:ST TT'W1I:SNOT''EVENMiniTIQNEDTB'AT IT WAS' oP' ",_,' ,.' . -.... ;.,.:,: c'," ,'-, . ",,>{/:::. ', ... ,.; ,
' ..•.. 3 , .,ii,'sExuii:l'iATU,RE<,,···"·,·IT··:··WAS, 'AN· 'I:M-l'ROPR:IE i"Y'o Fsmm. 'K I:l'iD; . ..' .. ,' . ".
4 ·THA.TTHEREWERE CHARGES FILED;";'NDI DON'T KNOW
5 EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. " ,"
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. 7 T.HATM;R. JOST ENTERED A .PLEAOF· GUILTY TO A' CHARGE OF .'
8';;RALL~'COPULiT;~G,A 12~YEAR-OLD.k()Y? 9'
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I HEARD HE .MADE' .AN AGREEMENT .TO WELL, .NO •.
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:11:. Q, .•.... \; WHAol<DID:fOU' HtAR? .',. i:. 'r;: ...
12 A . HE. HAD DONE SOMETHING' TO A. YOUNG BOY lAND. THAT'
. . 13 " WAS 'IT;
14 Q:., j:!f:l~N. pI.D .XOU .. HEAR ... T.HAT .. ? .... ... ' ... : .... ", .. -•.. -" .....
15. A.
. Q. BEFORE THAT,. YOU HAD NO KNOWLEDGE?
17 A. CORRECT.
is Q. WERE YOU EVER AWARE THAT MR. JOST WAS
1§ PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED FOR LOITERING AROUND PUBLIC
20 TOILETS? ,
21 A.' .. NO.
22 Q. . . OR .ARRESTED IN PALM SPRINGS F.oR MATTERS OF. ".' .
23 T,HIS NATURE?
2·4 A. NO.
25 Q. NOW, WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE THAT
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.. 4 . A •. 'r'NALETTERHE" WROTE ME • . , -, ' . -' . .' " .
5 Q. . W~S THAT. THE LE;TER 'HE . SENT' ADVISING EYERYONE .
., .. _,,'-_._~,.--.. ~~6. _~~:..cT~!J::,JiE~HAD~An)S.?~~ .. ~,~~-,~:~,··--.,;......;.,;..-c 7 A. ". YES
8 .' .. Q •• BEFORE THAT TIME? nID YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE '.:',,,;::"'- ,-. . '-., . .. ,.',,~ .
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9 ." THAT· FAi~iR>BERNIE WiS~AY? . . '...... ">-:':':.", .• '::,. . .. -... " "-'.";'.. . .. ',' ',,:, ,;' ... :'.,;' . ,- , ',."' ..
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.. 14 ",,:.Q: •.•.••. DURING·.THAT PER:EOD OF TTME',' DID-YOU HAVE ..•..
15 SUSPICIONS THATFATHER·BERNIE·WAS GAY?
16 A.NOT REALty, NO.
17
1 8 HIS SEXUAL PREFERENCE, . WAS HE.?
'19 MR. SCHAEFER:. OBJECTION i VAGUE.
20 A. YEAH. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. DISCRETE? WITH
21 . REGARD .TO SEXUAL PREFERE'NCE, HE GAVE NO INDICATION
22 ONE WAY OR THE OTHER .. IT'WAS'NOT AN.ISSUE, SEXUAL
23 PREFERENCE.'
24 Q. WAS THERE EVER A TIME, BEFORE YOU RECEIVED
25 'FATHERHERNIE'S LETTER,.THAT.YOU SUSPECTED HE WAS
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,4'· '·A. ,. OKAY. ". iNEVER' ~~SPEGTED HE WAS AC:TIVE • . '. . .
5 Q, WAS' THERE EVER A POINT IN TIME B'EFORE YOU
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FEirA.LES, w:HETHER ,IT WAS ACTiVE ORiN-OT?' . -, '. ,. .. • " ,,:'; ,;' '." ,.: .. _: . , ., .".', .. ··c ':'.~,' .. ",:, , .. ",:' ..' -. ' . ' .. '-::c":""\,:~"-:,:;.-,,,,:,.,.,,,,,-,:.·,,:···.::: ._', ;.': ".;,,, .• ' .. -, :', "', . '
.', A; . I NEVER REALLY' FELT HE HAD A PREFERENCE. , .. :, .,". -, ,.' ,::. '. i.,:, ",:' .:':.:':, ''''i::,i,/.'.:i.'.,':,." ,:'i.:·,·",'" ';,',',:;:.' ,," ,.~.!: " '-" . . .' ". ~:;. "~. ' " "'~'I"-" .... sPEcr FiC'ALLY';:Di5;·~1oif:;'i~,~~·t!"~~A~if~R:~13~'~iHEt·· ............... , .... ~ .... .
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FOR THE.' OTHER PRIESTS TO Cl3:ASE W9MEN BECAUSE THERE
ARE ENOUGH MENl),ND BOYS AVAILABLE. FOR HIM?
Q. YOU DON'T RECALL ANY SUCH STATEMENTS?
A. 'NEVER.
Q. ,WHAT IS' YOUR UNDERSTANDING 'OF.THE REASONS WHY
18 FATHER BE~NIE LEFT QUEEN OF ANGELS?
.19' ' A. IN THE WAY THAT OUR.FRANCISCAN COMMUNITY
20 APPOINTS ,SUPERIORS, TO A PARTICULAR HOUSE, TO 1). . ,- .'
21 PARTICULAR PARISH, THE 'TERM IS LIMITED •. FATHER
22. BERNIE HAD ALREADY E~CEEDED, THAT TERM,GIVEN SOME
23, UNUSUAL 'CIRCUMSTANCESi ,HE, STAYED, A 'YEAR LONGER THAN
24 WHAT' NORMALLY HAPPENS. AND HE' WAS DUE TO LEAVE. WE
25 KNEW HE WOULD BE LEAVING. YEARS BEFORE, BY .THAT DATE.'
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5" Q •... , DiD ANt PCJRTiONOF.THE. TIMING OF HISLEl:\.VING
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9 "ii~{ri~~~~;~i;, .. ·~~~;~k~<t~~ W6~1r)HA"{ H.!'P.PE~ED.
.' " '. '·12 . GAY?
13 ". A •. I DON'T' KNOW THAT HE·IS.
14 ' ...... :.Q ••..... _.XOtrD,IJ:U'l,~,T,.RE.C.EIJlE:_A. LE'l'TERINDI·C·A'I'I-NG H-E' S
.1-5. H.I: V;. POSITIVE? .'
16 "
A; .. THAT·DOESN~T MEAN HE'.S GAY.
~ 7' Q. YOU RE~EIVED T:HE LETTER, HOWEVER? ........... - ,
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is' '. A. IDIDN' '1' RECEIVE A. LETTER. HE MADE AN
19 ANNOUNCEMENT AT A PROVINCE MEETING.
20 Q; DID HE OFFER ANY EXPLANATION'AS TO HOW HE
'21 CONTRACTED THE VIRUS?
22 A. . NO.
23 Q. HOW MANY P.RIESTS AND ASSOCIATE PRIESTS ARE
24 . THERE PRESENTLY AT· QUEEi-r OF. ANGELS.?
25 A. THERE"S THREE OF US.
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IF WE CAN. AT THE PRESENT TIME,
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",~;t~,;./", ci~FiEk ASS6CIA.TE P.A.S~O~SH~~~ YOU,
HAD AT QUEEN OF A.NG~LSSiN~EYOU'VE '~EENPASTOR?
15 AND," HO~LONG HAS' FATHER
16 AT THE QUEEN OF ANGELS?
'BEEN' .~.-'
17 A. HE'S BEEN THERE NOW FOR FOUR AND A HALF ......
1 YEARS.'
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Q. AND HOW LONG HAS' -- I'M SORRY.
A'. F1).THER ___ .
Q. FOUR YEARS FOR FATHER,
HOW LONG FOR FATHER,~
A. A YEAR AND 'A HALF.
THAT WAS
Q. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ASSOC1ATES BESIDES
THOSE TWO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS?
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4v'l:RU8 I TO YOUR I<NOWLED8~, BESIDESFATHERc AND
5 ~XTHEaBERNIE? ;. ...
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li6w ritt; Y()~i~~~MEA.vl'ARE OF THA; .AFTER HE 12 . .... o ... , .:: .• ' .....
'i'3 . LEFT? •.. '. ;.
" ... J, •. ~ ......... ~~!l:~-c .... ~~1.l;i!i~B: ...... : ................ . 15 ... Q.
16 TOLD' YOU?
17 A •. ' THAT FATHER BERNIE HAD GONE I'NTO LOS XNG'ELES
18 TO CELEBRATE. MASS WITH -- .I .FORGET THE NAME OF THAT
19 GROUP OF GAY CATHOLICS.
2 O. Q . HAS ANYONE EVER ADVISED YOU AS TO ONE --
21' ONE WAY 'OR 'ANOTHEa AS .TO 'WHETHER THERE WERE SEXUA:i:,
22 RELATIONS BETWEEN. DENNIS JOST AND FATHER BERNIE?'
23 NO.
24 . Q. YOU HAVE NOKN'oWLEDGE ONE .WAY OR THE OTHER?
25 ' A. NO.
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1 Q.. Ii.I1) YOU' EVER ADVISE ANYONE T.HATYOUIiIDNOT··
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12.' CALIFORNIA' As ~'QUEENS'" OR "QUEEN}ES'" BECAUSE OF. THE
13 NUMBER,ORI!'l'ORDINATE NUMBER,· OF GAYPR-IESTS THERE?
14 A. NO.
15 Q. DID YOU EVER .NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT
.. 11 A. ' ·HE SEEMED TO BE WITH· THE B6.YSA ,LOT •
.. ··.··1;8- Q. DID TfIAT STRIKE. YOU AS. UNUSUAL?
.19 YES.
20 Q. DID THAT CAUSE YOU· SOMEcoNc':imN?
21 A. eYES.
22 Q •. AND WAS THIS DURING HIS TENURE AT SAINT THOMAS .. ··
23 OR' AT QUEEN· OF ANGELS?
24 •.. A. MORE FOR. QUEEN OF .ANGELS.
Q. AND THI S WOULD BE 1988 TO 1989, I. GATHER.
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'·16' Q. ANYO'NE ELSE?,
'17 A. NO'T a'HAT I RECALL' ... .. •.••• ".- _.". ,_, ____ •. _""c .•
lB' Q • HO'W MANY' ALTAR BO'YS DO' YOU HAVE AT QUEEN O'F
19 ANGELS NO'W?
20 A. ABO'UT 40, I .BELIEVE.
21 Q. HAS THAT NUMBER ALWAYS BEEN ABO'UT THE SAME?
22 A. NO'.
23 Q. HAS IT BEEN GREATER IN THE PAS.T? .
24 A. WHEN DENNIS WAS IN: CHARGE, THERE WERE, I
.25 UNDERSTAND, A GREAT DEAL MO'RE.
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16 Q • WHEN DENNI S WAS .THERE?
11 A.' YES:
1 B. Q. DID HE PREFER TO HAVE BdYS THAT WERE TEENAGE."
19 . AS OPPOSED TO PREADOLESCENT?
20 A. I .-DO-N' T KNOW THAT IT WAS A PREFERENCE. IT
21 WAS THAT HE WAS ABLE TO GET THE -OLDER BOYS MORE
'2·2 I:!jT-ERE-S-T-ED . OR KEEP THEM INTERESTED.
23 Q. WHETHER -_IT WAS 1). PREFERENCE,' IT1).PpEARED TO AT
24 LEAST BE A PRACTICE; IS THAT CORRECT?
25 A •. SOME OF. THE BOYS THAT I HAD RECRUITED WHEN.. I
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'16· . WARD-, UNDERTAKE ANY STUDIES? .,,,' .'
17 A. NOT FORMAL STUDIES NO.
,18 ,PEOPLE.
19 Q., DID YOU TALK WITH ':['HEMABOUT WHA,T MADE THEM,
20 ,FEEL THE WAY THEY FELT, WHAT 'MADE THEM'DO'THE THINGS
21 . THEY DID?
22 A •. YES.
23 Q. YOU,_ GAINED .sOME INS IGHT, AT LEAST, INTO THE
24 MIND OF THE PEDOPHILE?
25 A. YES.
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5 Q. AND WHAT TYPES OF· COMMON THEME.S D;ID -tOU
7 A. . THEY ALL 'SEEMED TO . HAVE ,BEEN VICTIMS
8 THEMSELVES •
'.9 . Q.. . ANY O.THERS?
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·14 S·ITT:1ATION. THESE-- THEY HAD THE I'PEATHATTEEY . WEBB • ,.",. __ ,_""" ..... ,. , ••••• , .. ,,0 __ :':"'. ; __
'15 DOING THESE CHlIiDREN A FAVOR; ·THEY WERE RIGHT;
16 . MORALLY RIGHT AND LEGALLY RIGHT , IN. WHAT T.REY· DID.
17 Q. . DID YOU OBSERVE ANY OF THOSE CHARACTER.ISTICS
la:' IN DENNIS.JOST?
19. A. . HONESTLY, NONE OF THOSE •. THE -- I GUESS ~HE
20 . OTHER' CHARACTER WAS THE' ~BILITY TO BE A MANIPULATOR,
2.1 A VERY ADEPT' MANIPULATOR.. THAT,. I . DID OBSERVE.
22 Q. DID YOU FIND THAT A NUMBER OF THE 'YOUNGSTERS
2~ 'rEAT MR. JOST BROUGHT TO BE ALTAR SERVERS WERE BOYS
24 THAT WERE HAVING PROBLEMS AT HOME?
25 A. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT:
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.1.5 'Q .• ' .BACK.TN' 1988·· AND '. '89,'WERE THERE-- ANY 'REPORTING --'. . '
.. 16REQUIRE:NENTS TBATYOUWERE AWARE OF IMPOSED' UPON':i':
17 PRIEST IF THEY .. HAD KNOWLEDGE OR SUSPIclON OF AN.]cCT :' ... ' '.'" '<.:'.:~ , -
18 OF MOLESTATION?
.19 . A. AS -- I WAS AWARE OF THAT 'STATE LAW THAT IF WE
20 FOUND OUT ABOUT SOMETHING, WE WERE .TO REPORT IT. I
21 WAS CONFUSED AS TO ·WHAT NATURE A PRIEST· IS SlfBJECT TO.'
22 THAT LAW , .GIVEN T.HE WAY WE WOULD HEAR IT.. IF'I HEARD
23 SOMETHING IN THE' CONFESSIONAL~ FOR -INS.TANCE,EXACTLY
-24 HOW.:-- UNDER CHURCH LAW, I COULD NOT REVEAL THA.T. IF
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18 GENTLEMEN PROBABL~DON'THAVE:ANYQUESTIONS FO:R YOU.
19 I;F YOU'DO,YOU CAN HAVE AT IT.
20 Q. JUST·SO I'M CLEAR, YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH .:.
21 JASON _ ABOUT. HIS ALLEGATIONS. INVOLVING DENNIS
22·JOST,HAVE YOU?
23 NO.
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1 ,"Q. . .BEFORETO'bAY,WH~NWASTHELASTTIME YOU SAW
1 ·DENNIS JOST ,·APPROXlMATELY?.
1 . A. GOSH • IT WOULD 'HAVE . BEEN' EARLY IN ~ 91.
18 Q. WAS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR INTERVIEW WI.TH
19 THE'POLICE?
20 A. WELL BEFORE.
21 . Q. HAVE YOU SPOREN WITH MR. JOST AT ANYTIME?
2 A. NO.
2 Q. SINCE THEN?
24 A. NOr NOT AT ALL.
25 MR •. WEATHERS: SAME 8TIP?
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