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Page 1: Feedback from RIPE NCC Registration Services · ARIN RIPENCC LACNIC AFRINIC. Alex Le Heux, RIPE62, 2011-05-05 ASN32 Update 5 Returned 25% Not visble 23% ... • Report on Registration

Feedback from RIPE NCC Registration ServicesAlex Le Heux - RIPE NCCRIPE62, May 2011, Amsterdam

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Alex Le Heux, RIPE62, 2011-05-05

Outline

• ASN32 success, a competitive disadvantage?

• Last /8 implementation detail

• “Upgrade” of /32 IPv6 allocations

• IPv6 PI sore points and background information

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ASN32 Update

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ASN32 Update

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1%2%

86%

3%

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4-byte ASN Assignments

APNICARINRIPENCCLACNICAFRINIC

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ASN32 Update

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Returned25%

Not visble23%

Visible in BGP52%

RIPE NCC ASN32 Assignments

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Competitive disadvantage?

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Last /8 implementation

• Last /8 implementation:– Address space returned to the RIPE NCC after the last /8 policy comes into effect will be treated the same way as the last /8.

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Alex Le Heux, RIPE62, 2011-05-05

“Upgrade” of /32 allocations

• First IPv6 allocation on file: August 12, 1999

• Detailed deployment plans were rare in those days

• Years later, some holders of /32s realise they actually have a few million customers

• Solution: Return the /32 & re-evaluate

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IPv6 PISore points and background information

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Report on Registration Services’ experience with the current policy

• Provide some background information and numbers relevant to the current IPv6 PI discussion

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Current IPv4 PI policy:– “PI space cannot be re-assigned or further assigned to other parties.”

– “IP addresses used solely for the connection of an End User to a service provider [...] are considered part of the service provider's infrastructure.”

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Alex Le Heux, RIPE62, 2011-05-05

IPv6 PI, Part III

• Current IPv6 policy:– “Assignments [...] are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.”

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• No DSL

• No Cable

• VPN

• No co-location

• No virtual servers

• No SSL hosting

• No buts and no exceptions

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Sore points:– Thousands of current IPv4 PI space holders see no way to deploy IPv6

– Hard to explain why we can assign IPv4 but not IPv6

– Blurred distinction between ISP and end-user

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• In the past, when ISPs were real ISPs and end-users were real end-users...

• The world was probably a simpler place

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ISPPI

Customer

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Alex Le Heux, RIPE62, 2011-05-05

IPv6 PI, Part III

• In the past, when ISPs were real ISPs and end-users were real end-users...

• The world was probably a simpler place

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ISPPI

Customer

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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MPLS

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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MPLS

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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MPLS

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Application Service Provider– Writes software for clients

– Then hosts the application as well

– Sets up a completely independent infrastructure for each client

– End-site? ISP?

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• The sharp distinction between end-user and ISP is gone

• “Old-school” end-users still exist, of course

• But more and more complex services are built on top of other complex services built on top of...

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• The complexity of deciding if something is an ISP or an end-user has increased

• If it even makes sense to make the distinction at all, in some cases

• This is hard to do in a fair and consistent manner

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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Background information

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IPv6 PI, Part III

25Hosting

25%

Hosting & Access6%

Access36%

End-site33%

IPv4 PI Usage

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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IPv4 vs IPv6 PI Requests / month

IPv4 PIIPv6 PI

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Look at the IPv4 routing table to see what might happen with IPv6

– RIR delegated stats files

– Anything assigned or allocated before 1996 considered “legacy”

– RIS

– A prefix considered “in the DFZ” if seen by at least 10 RIS peers

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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legacy43%

assigned22%

allocated35%

Global IPv4 BGP prefixes

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IPv6 PI, Part III

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Legacy10%

PI assignments21%

LIR allocations70%

RIPE NCC Service region IPv4 BGP prefixes

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IPv6 PI, Part III

• Summary, RIPE NCC service region:

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Number given out

BGP entries in DFZ

Ratio

ALLOCATED 15417 59126 3.8

ASSIGNED 16340 17468 1.1

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Questions?