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US GOVERNMENT ISSUED VIETNAM WAR WATCHESWITH A SECTION ON FAKE & COUNTERFEITS

READ BEFORE BUYING VIETNAM ERA MILITARY WATCH

THERE WERE NEVER ANY NAMES ON DIALOR US NAVY US ARMY US MARINES OR AIR FORCE EVER

OK, I HAVE PUT A VIETNAM MILITARY WATCH PDF TOGETHER IT IS FREE

FREE DTU-2 EDUCATIONAL PDF ALL PDF BELOW ARE ROCK’S WORK INCLUDING RESTORED WATCHES

THIS IS ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE RARE US MIL WATCH WITH COMPANY NAME

US GOVERNMENT ISSUED VIETNAM WAR WATCHESWITH A SECTION ON FAKE 3/5/2015

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RESTORED BY ROCK GREEN BERET 3818AOct-Oct/1961_bulova_hacking_3818a.html

BELOW IS WALTHAM WATCH COMPANY REQUESTING TO PLACE THE WALTHAM BRAND ON THE DIALOF MILITARY CONTRACT WATCHES & A FOLLOW-UP DENYING

THE MILITARY REPLY IS “NOT” “CANNOT DUE”



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NOTHING WHAT SO EVER AS FAR AS BRANDING

Below is the Official info on the Vietnam US issue WatchNo Matter The Maker

THEY ALL HAD TO BE AS WRITTEN- AND NO CASE BACKS

NO NAME OR ANYTHING ON DIALNO LONGINES OMEGA J LeCoultre ORMOST OF THOSE OFFERED ON EBAY

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MIL-W 3818A

RESTORED BY TOCK GREEN BERET 3818AOct-Oct/1961_bulova_hacking_3818a.html

MIL-W-3818A WAS THE A-11 OF 1950'S THE A-17. THE US CONTRACT WAS A FIRST FOR 24HR CHAPTER. ALL THESEWATCHES HACKED. MOST WERE NOT MARKED WITH MAKER ON DIAL. GREEN BERET SOLDIERS RECEIVED THE AVERSION.

TWO PIECE CASE.-REMOVABLE CASE BACK



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MIL-W 3818BDTU-2A/P

SINGLE CASE 1968 DTU-2A/P BENRUS RESTORED BY ROCK

MIL-W 3818b WAS THE FIRST FULLY RE DESIGNED MIL WATCH THAT RECEIVED THE NAME DTU-2A/P . THE FIRSTCONTRACT WAS FOR 10,000+ UNITS FOR THE MARINES. BENRUS WON IT AND BULOVA PROTESTED BUT LOST. THISWAS THE VERY FIRST TO USE THE ABOVE SPECS

SINGLE CASE. CRYSTAL REMOVED TO INSTALL MOVEMENTSIGNED ON BACK

CONT.NO. GS-00S-61940 SERIAL NO xxxxxxDATE June 1969WRIST WATCH DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818BMFG. PART. NO XZ73065FED STOCK NO 6645-066-4279U.S.

MIL-W-46374 ODPlastic CASE OK

RESTORED BY ROCK PLASTIC MIL-W-46374A

The next version [1 ]MIL-W-46374 AND THE [2]MIL-W-46374A-- version permitting plastic 1970-1975.BENRUS WESTCLOXHAMILTON. SINGLE CASE. CRYSTAL REMOVED TO INSTALL MOVEMENT

SIGNED ON BACK



1-U.S. Wristwatch General purpose Non-MaintainableMIL-W-46374Fed. Stock No.6645-952-3767APR 1969

2-Watch-wrist General purpose Non-Maintainable [PLASTIC OK]Mil-W-46374AWestclox No. 75062FSN 6645-952-3767DAAA25-70-D-0335Sept 1970US

MIL-W-3818A

THE FIRST SPECIFIC WATCHES UTILIZED IN NAM WAS THE 3818A WHICH WAS UTILIZED BY GREEN BERET / SPECIAL FORCES

NOTE IT HAS THE LOOK OF A-11/A-17 HACK BUT LABELED 3818A HACK

DTU-2AP.-MIL-W-3818B



THEN A CONTRACT WAS AWARDED TO BENRUS. BENRUS PRODUCED THE FIRST VIETNAM WATCH AND IT WAS THEFIRST SINGLE CASE SYSTEM WITH TWO PART CRYSTAL LOCKING MIL-W-3818B KNOWN AS DTU-2AP. ALL WATCHESAFTER THE BENRUS WERE SINGLE CASE. STEEL AND PLASTIC. BENRUS BUILT 10,000 FOR THE MARINE CORPS.FOLLOWED UP THE MIL-W-3818A. [U.S. VIETNAM WATCHES WERE NON-MAINTENANCE. THEY HAD TO LAST 2 YEARSWITH NO REPAIRS]

MILITARY WATCHES USA ORDINANCE ISSUE DPU-2A/P MIL-W-3118B MIL-W-3818B_Sepcifications.pdf

MIL-W-4637 milspec-mil-w-46374f.PDF AVAILABLE 3118 specifications pdf 4637 specifications pdfBULOVA PROTESTS THE BENRUS AWARD OF MILITARY WATCH CONTRACT VIETNAM ISSUE



http://watchesandboxes.com/MIL-W-3818B_Sepcifications.pdf

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WESTCLOX 7 JEWEL NO DIAL BRAND NAME

HAMILTON STEEL CASE NO DIAL BRAND NAME

BENRUS STEEL CASE NOTE NO DIAL BRAND NAME

NOTE THERE WERE NO OMEGA LA-COULTRE IWC OR ANY OF THE FAKES SOLD ON THE BAYNO US ARMY OR US NAVY. NOTE NONE OF THESE HAVE BRAND NAMES

1968 Belforte & Benrus plastic

3818A 1968-benrus-mil-w-3818b

1967 BENRUS SINGLE MIL-W-3818 - 2A/P

1972 Metal Hamilton.1970 Jeambrun/Seikoplastic Westclox 1965 Benrus "hack" DTU-2A/P

1969 Belforte & Benrus 1965 Plastic Benrus

MIL-W-3818BHamilton W-46374A GG-W-113

MIL-W-46374A AND B & GG-W-113



MIL-W-46374A AND B & GG-W-113

The MIL-W-46374 series of U.S. Military wrist watches began with specification publication dated 30 October 1964. as a “U.S.Wristwatch Non-Maintainable”. The MIL-W-46374B was required to have a 7 jewel manual wind mechanical movement, stainless steelcase and acrylic crystal- though some plastic B series watches occasionally show up.

The strap was OD nylon with a black anodized steel buckle. Typical markings for the MIL-W-46374B watches will be these lines fromthe only two manufacturers.

On May 7 1975, AFTER VIETNAM the MIL-W-46374B was required to have a “H3? and radiation symbol on the dial to warn thatluminous tritium paint was used. H3.

THUS WE HAVE The MIL-W-46374B 3818A 3818B DTU-2A/P AND GG-W-113

Case designations: PLA = plastic, CRM = corrosion resistant metal;STS = stainless steel . Movement designations: ## j = number ofjewels; QTZ = electronic quartz mvt, MEC =manual wind mechanicalmvt.; HCK = hacking

US ARMY SPECIFICATION NO. 94-27834-B, dated FEBRUARY22, 1943 – WATCH, NAVIGATION, TYPE A-11 (HACK):F.METHOD OF INSPECTION AND TESTS:

1961 SEAL DIVE DIAL

ABOVE ARE PLASTIC CASED MIL-W-46374B

Mil-W-46374AWestclox No. 75092FSN 6645-952-3767DAAA25-70-D-0335

Sept 1970US

WATCH, Wrist General Purpose MIL-W-46374B Timex Corp.NSN 6645-08-952-3767 Mfg. Part No.DLA 406-81-C-2671Feb1982Dispose Rad Waste U.S. POST VIETNAM

VIETNAM SERVICE

THE MIL-W-4637 WAS MADE IN 20 STYLES HERE ARE 6 CASES MIL-W-4637 4 THROUGH 4A – 4G 9 1970-1991



MILITARY WATCHES USAL-W-46374 (published10/30/1964)Maker Type FSN/NSN Case Movement Dates Notes:Benrus na 6645-952-3767 PLA 7 j MEC 1966-1969Belforte na 6645-952-3767 PLA 7 j MEC 1965 BenrusMIL-W-46374A (published 9/10/1968)Maker TypeFSN/NSN CaseMovement Dates Notes:Benrus na 6645-00-952-3767PLA 7 j MEC 1970-1976Westcloxna 6645-00-952-3767PLA Seiko MEC1970Hamiltonna 6645-00-952-3767CRM7 j MEC 1970 – 1975(?)Australian ArmyHamiltonna 6645-00-952-3767CRM7 j MEC 1972-1975 US Issue; Part No. 39988MIL-W-46374B (published 5/7/1975)Maker TypeFSN/NSN CaseMovement Dates Notes:Hamiltonna 6645-00-952-3767CRM7j MEC 1977-1983Part no. 39988Timex na 6645-00-952-3767PLA Timex #24 MEC 1982 Limited distributionMIL-W-46374C (published 4/15/1983)Maker TypeFSN/NSN CaseMovementDates Notes:Stocker & Yalena 6645-00-952-3767 PLA 1 j MEC 1983-1984SandY 184MIL-W-46374D (published 10/10/1986)Maker Type FSN/NSN CaseMovement Dates Notes:Stocker & YaleType 26645-00-952-3767PLA 1 j MEC 1984-1986SandY 184AMarathon Type 26645-00-952-3767PLA MEC 1990 Model 348Hamilton Type 16645-00-066-4279CRM17j MEC HCK 1988 39986; HamiltonMIL-W-46374E (published 5/31/1989)Maker Type FSN/NSN CaseMovement DatesNotes:Marathon Type 26645-01-304-4308PLA 17j MEC 1991 Mod. 348A; tritium vials introducedStocker & YaleType 16645-00-066-4279PLA 17j MEC HCK 1991 SandY 490; tritium vialsMIL-W-46374F (published 10/14/1991)Maker Type FSN/NSN CaseMovement Dates Notes:Marathon Type 16645-00-066-4279PLA 17j MEC HCK199?- 2000 Model 348 AMarathon Type 26645-00-952-3767PLA ??j mech 1997 Model 359Marathon Type 36645-01-318-9833PLA QTZ HCK 199? Model 350AMarathon Type 66645-01-364-4042PLA QTZ HCK 1997 – 2001Model 211, NavigatorsStocker & YaleType 16645-00-066-4279PLA 17j MEC HCK1993-199? SandY 490; ETA 2801 movementStocker & YaleType 36645-01-252-6705PLA QTZ HCK 199? SandY 590Stocker & YaleType 66645-01-364-4042PLA QTZ HCK 1995-2000 P650 NavigatorsStocker & YaleType 66645-01-364-4042STS QTZ HCK 1995-1998 P660 NavigatorsMIL-PRF-46374G (published 12/11/1999)

US GOV ISSUED 1968 VIETNAM WAR SINGLE PLASTIC CASE WESTCLOX MILITARY WATCH

MOVERMENT VERSIONS

M101 26D 7J 1965 – 1968 MIL VERSIOND407 7J 1965 -1968 MIL VERSION

A 201 17J VERSIONM101 26D 17J 1968 MIL VERSIONM102 26D 21J 1968 MIL VERSION

NOTE. THE VIETNAM WAR HAD PX/BX R&R WATCHES. THESE ARE SOME TO LOOK FOR.WESTCLOX

ANOTHER WESTCLOX VIETNAM RARE VIETNAM ERA W/DATEUS GOV ISSUE 1968/69 A ROUND INSQUARE FIRST INVENTEDBYOMEGA WWII



1962 Westclox OWNED BY SF

MEMBER

PX R&R 1970-1971SAME WESTCLOX DIAL

PX R&R 1965-1967SAME WESTCLOX DIAL

WESTCLOX SOLD AND GAVE AWAY A FEW HUNDRED WESTCLOX WATCHES TO US SPECIAL FORCES ADVISORS INVIETNAM IN THE LATE 1950’S TO EARLY 1960’S. THE DESIGN FEATURES OF THESE TIME PIECES AS WELL AS THEIRSTAMINA IN THE FIELD WOULD FIND THEIR WAY INTO A SERIES OF MILITARY WATCHES THAT WOULD PROVE NOT ONLYTO BE RUGGED AND EXCEPTIONAL, BUT ABLE TO LAST IN THE JUNGLES OF VIETNAM ACCORING TO THE “GOV MUSTDO” -LAST TWO YEARS W/O SERVICE . THUS THIS WOULD GAIN WESTCLOX ONE OF THOSE US MILITARY CONTRACTSFOR THOUSANDS OF US MILITARY ISSUE WATCHES FOR TROOPS IN VIETNAM.

JAPANESE 2 VERSIONS

1968 MIL VERSION 7J1970 MIL VERSION 7J

1969 M102 21J HK1964 17J HK

FRENCH 4 VERSIONS SWISS WITH 4 SQUARE

BELOW ARE DSSUED



1969 Belforte & Benrus plastic , 1970 Jeambrun/Seikoplastic plastic Westclox 1972 Metal Hamilton.

1967 BENRUS METAL SINGLECASE

MIL-W-3818 - 2A/P MIL-W-3818B

1965 Benrus "hack"DTU-2A/P

1967 BENRUS METALSINGLE CASE

MIL-W-3818 - 2A/P MIL-W-3818B

1965 Benrus "hack" DTU-2A/PGG-W-113 1968 Belforte & Benrus

plastic 3818A1968-benrus-mil-w-3818b

1965 Benrus "hack" DTU-2A/P

VIETNAM WAR P/X & R&R

1961 - 1972 Westclox 17J M101/M201 SNAP & SCREW DOWN

SEIKO 1970 6105 DIVE

1955-1969HELBROSCENTER SWEEPS

1960-1970 WYLERINCAFLEX &DYNAWIND

1968 SEIKO 61068100

1968 SEIKO 61197170



1965-1970WALTHAM DIVE

1965 WALTHAM24HR

1969 WESTEND24HR 1965- DOXA 300T

1962 1969GLYCINE 72

WALTHAM DIVE WALTHAM DIVE

1965 1972 ZODIAC SEA WOLF - OLYMPOS - GMT - 1965-1971BULOVA/CARAVELLE 333/666 DIVEPOPULAR PX/BX R&R

ZODIAC GMT SEIKO 6105 ZODIAC SEA WOLF

1955-1969 HELBROS TRUE 24HR VIETNAM ERA WYLER HELBROS DIVE

BULOVA 666 333 CARAVEL BENRUS DIVE 1968 SEIKO 6106 8100



1968 SEIKO 6119 7170 1965 WALTHAM 24HR WYLER 666

<<<<<THE GLYCINE AIRMAN WAS POPULAR WITHGROUND TO FLYER

HELO TO JET

THE ZODIAC GMT AEROSPACEWAS ALSO TOP OF THE LIST. 24 HR &

HACKING>>>>>

NOT EVEN A WALTHAM NOT GENUINE



LONGINES NEVER MADE THIS WATCH MOVEMENTAVIGATION NAVIGATION SPECIFICATION SPELLED WRONG

ANY OFFER WITH YELLOW COLOR THERE ARE NO INFO ON EDGESAND NAME NO GO CASES DID NOT SCREW OFF SOLID ONE PIECE

HAMILTON NEVER MADE MOV LONGINES NEVER MADE WATCHES FOR NAMALSO, LOOKS LIKE THE FAKE LONGINES



AGAIN LONGINES NEVER MADE VIETNAM US GOV WATCHESPLUS SPELLING IS WRONG

NEVER WERE THEY SCREW BACKSAND NAVIG AND OTHER ITEMS ARE WRONG



FAKE LONGINES AGAIN

JAG LA COULTRE NEVER MADE WATCHES FOR US OR ANYONENOT THE CHEAP MOVEMENT. GO HTTP://LSYF.COM CLICK DAVID'S RESTORES

TO SEE A REAL JLE MIL MOVEMENT



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NOTE THE YELLOW MARKERS AND HANDS THE BOLOVA ON DIAL

FAKE BULOVA



GENUINE BULOVA HACKING MOVEMENT

NOT NOT NOT FAKE

I HIGHLY DOUBT THIS CHEAP VIETNAM CHINA MOV HACKS!NOTE THE CASE BACK HAS SEAGULL STAMP FAKE



NOR A HAMILTON HACKING MOVEMENT

THE A-17 ABOVE MADE FOR KOREAN WAR AS THE KOREAN WAR A-11 IS CORRECT



GG-W-1338 BUT THE ABOVE IS FAKE NOTE DOUBLE STAMP ON US DATE 1969 IT SHOULD BE SINGLE CASE NO CASE BACK TO REMOVE.

ALSO HAD FAKE MOVEMENT



THE BIGGEST FAKE OMEGA DID NOT MAKE US ISSUE WATCHESPLUS SEE THE YELLOW?

BREITLING NEVER MADE US MILITARY ISSUE WATCHES

ANOTHER FAKE BREITLINGNEVER WAS THAT THERE CHINESE CASE ALSO



BREITLING NEVER MADE THIS CHEAP MOVEMENTNOR DID THEY EVER MAKE A US ISSUE

both fake

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DUMP THESE YELLOW CHINESE FAKES



YOU CAN SHOUT TILL YOU ARE BLUE IN THE FACETHESE WERE NO BRITS IN VIETNAM NOR DID THEY SUPPLY WATCHES

THIS HAS US NAVY THE THE BRITISH WWII W.W.W.STOOD FOR WRIST WATCH WATERPROOF ONLY ENGLISH USED THIS

HERE WE SEE A7A THAT MEANS DUMP IT

THIS IS WHAT THE SINGLE CASE SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE



FAKE A-7 NOTE THE MISSPELLING

THIS IS THE REAL 1934 A-7 PILOTS WATCHA POCKET CONVERSION W/BUTTON TO RUN COUNTER IN CROWN



REMEMBER CASE BACKS DO NOT COME OFF



SOME DIALS MAY HAVE NAME IN DIAL NON PAINTEDA FEW ELGINS I SAW REQUIRED GETTING CLOSE AND SEEING A SLIGHT "ELGIN" INDENT

NO US MIL WATCH WAS AUTOMATIC

NO US NAVY OR US ARMY NEVER HAPPENED



YELLOW LOOK NEVER HAPPENEDANY THING WITH BRITISH BROAD ARROW NEVER HAPPENED

AUTOMATICS NEVER HAPPENEDA-7 NEVER HAPPENED

FAKE YELLOW

FAKENO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO PLACE NAMES ON DIAL

NOTE THE CHINES/VIETNAMESE YELLOW COLORED NUMBERS AND HANDS

FAKE



FAKE

FAKE J A C DID NOT MAKE WATCHES FOR NAMNOR FOR TROOPERS

NOR FOR PX BX OR R&R

WOW REAL FAKE NO AUTOMATICS



FAKENO US NAVY

WWW IS A BRITISH MARK WWIIWRIST WATCH WATERPROOF

HAD NO FACT IN VIETNAMNO BRITS NOR WATCHES



FAKE

FAKE

FAKE



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VIETNAM US GOV ISSUE WATCHESPOCKET TRENCH & CONVERSIONS

GERMAN SUBMARINE WATCHES WWII WAR INSPIRED MILITARY WATCHES GERMAN MILITARY WATCHES JAPANESE MILITARY WATCHES

BRITISH WWI WWII MILITARY WATCHES KOREAN WAR GLYCINE AIRMANAVIATORS WATCHES ROLES MARCONI TUDOR

radium tritium luminova

COUNTERFEIT-WATCHES

GSW HAS OFFERED OUR PRODUCT EXCLUSIVELY ON EBAY FOR TEN YEARSGSW WATCH WORKS GOOGLE 454 ALBUM 45000 PICTURES

TIMEFRAUDIS IT COUNTERFEIT OR NOT

HELP STOP INTERNET WATCH FRAUDTIMEFRAUD.COM

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http://lsyf.com/download/information/conversions-and-trench-watches.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/military-id/KM-GERMAN-SUB-WATCHES.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/military-id/A HISTORY OF THE MILITARY WATCH.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/information/GERMAN-MILITARY-WATCHES.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/imperialjapan/imperial-japanese-military-watches.PDF

http://lsyf.com/download/information/british-military-watches-wwi-wwii.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/information/GLYCINE-AIRMAN.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/military-id/HISTORY-OF-AVIATION-WATCHES.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/information/rolex_marconi_tudor_history.pdf

http://lsyf.com/download/information/radium-tritium-luminova-watch-illumination.pdf

http://lsyf.com/PDF/COUNTERFEIT-WATCHES.htm

https://picasaweb.google.com/101172130110376792891?noredirect=1

http://timefraud.com/

100% FAKE NOT COUNTERFEIT WATCHES

THE ORGANIZATION IS NOW USING AMERICAN FLAG BACKGROUNDS. YOU WILL SEE HUNDREDS OF OFFERS ALLLOOKING THE SAME

UPDATE: THEY CHANGED THEIR BACK GROUNDS AGAIN. WHICH MEANS OUR WORKS ARE BEING FOLLOWED!

JUST LOOK FOR OFFERS THAT ARE THE SAME ACROSS SELLERS.

HERE WE HAVE TWO FAKES. THESE ARE NOT COUNTERFEIT, BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER MADE BY THE COMPANIESATTRIBUTED TO IN THE SIGNINGS ON THE MOVEMENTS. THUS THEY WERE NOT ISSUED BY THE COMPANIES UNDER ANYCONTRACT AND ARE NOT IN ANY US GOV CONTRACT SPECS. THEY ARE FAKES SOLD AS SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT.FRAUD.

THE BOTTOM LEFT IS A FAKE BREITLING AND THE MOVEMENT IS THE SAME AS THE BOTTOM RIGHT FAKE JAEGERLECOULTRE.NO WAY DID BREITLING AND JLC PRODUCE THE SAME MOVEMENTS.

AND IN FACT, EVEN THE A-11, A-8, MIL-W-3818 38, GG-W-113, MIL-W-4637 AND OTHER US GOVERNMENT ISSUED WWIIAND VIETNAM ERA MILITARY WATCH CONTRACTS PROVIDED THE MAIN PLANS, EACH VENDER/BRAND PRODUCEDTHEIR OWN MOVEMENTS. SO THEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT.

LIKE THE BREITLING AND LECOULTRE, THE TWO TOP MOVEMENTS ARE ALSO FAKE /FRAUDULENT AN ELGIN ANDWALTHAM WATCH WITH THE DEAD GIVEAWAY BEING BOTH MOVEMENTS ARE ALIKE. NEITHER ARE ACTUALMOVEMENTS USED IN MILITARY WATCHES IN THE USA OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT I CAN TELL .

THE FACT IS MOVEMENTS OF SEPARATE BRANDS BEING EXACT IS SIMPLY UNHEARD OF IN MILITARY ISSUEDWATCHES. WHEN LOOKING AT A BRAND, SEARCH THE BRAND. THEN COMPARE AGAINST OTHER BRANDS, BUT VIEWINGTHE MOVEMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

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Note the watch DIAL SCHEMATIC is the "50000 fathoms" SEAL TEAM



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THE US GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY REQUIRED DIALS TO BE EXACTLY ALIKE. HARDLY ANY VIETNAM ERA WATCH HADNAMES ON THE DIAL. LOOK AT THE TOP US GOV PHOTO OF ACTUAL DIALS. THEY HAD TO BE EXACT AS TO THESPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT MODEL.

THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE CONCERNING NAMES ON DIALS WERE FEW. THE ABOVE RIGHT DIAL HAS "MFR'S NAME" ON IT. THE SPEC CALLED FOR IT. THIS IS THE FAMOUS BULOVA FIRST NAVY AUTOMATIC DIVE WATCH CONTRACT THATWAS ASSUMED BY BLANCPAIN .

NOTE THE DIAL IS FOR THE DIVE WATCH OUTLINED IN THE 1961 MIL-W-22176 AND 1961 + MIL-W-22176-ASPECIFICATIONS.

THIS WOULD BECOME THE PLANS FOR BLANCPAIN'S FIFTY FATHOMS. BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED BY THE USNAVY. SEE THE ROUND MOISTURE INDICATOR AT BOTTOM ABOVE SIX? IT WAS DESIGNED IN 1960. BLANCPAIN WOULDMAKE 10,000 WATCHES FOR THE NAVY SEALS. THEN WOULD USE THE DESIGN AS "Milspec 1" WHICH MEANT "MILITARYSPECIFICATIONS 1" (THE ACTUAL NAVEL SPECIFICATIONS ARE ON TIMEFRAUD. THUS THE DATING OF THE WATCH ANDTHE ACTUAL SPECIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED IN MANY CIRCUMSTANCES TO DISCOVER THE FACTS OF DIALS ANDDATES OF PRODUCTION.

NOTE THE GG-W-113 HAS NO NAME.. OK? IF YOU READ CASE BACK AND IT HAS 113 THEN EXPECT NO NAME ON DIAL.

THE A-17 HAD NO NAME... IT HAD RADIUM NUMERALS. LOOK AT THE PICTURE ABOVE! IF THE DIAL LOOKS LIKE ALL THEOTHER FAKES WITH OFF BLACK DIAL WITH YELLOWISH EVERYTHING ELSE SO PERFECT AND NEAT IT IS A FAKEUNLESS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL, AND I MEAN DIAL. THE 3118A HAVE HAD BULOVA ON THE DIAL WHICH HAD TO BEALLOWED AND REQUESTED BY CONTRACT AND SPECS!

THEY WERE ALL NOTE THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE FAKES YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM IF YOU SIMPLY LOOK!

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WESTCLOX BENRUS ET AL. HAD THEIR OWN MOVEMENTS AND THEY LOOK AND ARE SIGNED AND MADE DIFFERENTEVEN IF THE CASES LOOK THE SAME.

THE CASES ON US GOV MIL ISSUE MILITARY WATCHES WERE ALWAYS EXACT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TO THE SPECS,GET THE ID FROM THE CASE BACK. THE MODEL NUMBER A GOOGLE IT BEFORE YOU INVEST OR BID. USE PICTURES TOSPEED THE PROCESS. COMPARE.

CHECK CASE BACKS FOR SPELLING ERA' LIKE THE WORD "SPECIFICATION" OR HOW THE WRITING IMPRINTINGPRESSING STAMPINGS ARE.

IF YOU KNOW IT IS A FAKE AND BUY IT EVERYONE IS GETTING RIPPED -- SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME TO KNOW, LIKEWHEN IT BREAKS AND THE WATCH MAKER SAYS I CANNOT FIX THIS FAKE

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FAKE WESTCLOX OD PLASTIC CASED VIETNAM ERA MILITARY ISSUE ARE COPIED AND FAKED . LOOK FOR SLOPPYAND MISS-ALIGNED INFO ON CASE BACK. BROAD ARROW AND WWW CASE BACKS ADVERTISED AS US GOV MIL ISSUEARE FAKE. PERIOD. A-7 DESIGNATION ON CASE BACK ARE FAKE. PERIOD. CASE BACKS WITH SPELLING WRONG AREFAKE, PERIOD. A-17 OR A-17A ARE FAKE IF THE DIALS ARE NOT LIKE THOSE IN THE #2 PICTURE ABOVE. AND, WITH HEEXCEPTION OF THE RARE BULOVA/BLANCPAIN NAVY DIVE WATCH EARLY 1960'S, ANY US GOV MILITARY ISSUED WATCHWITH AUTOMATIC MOVEMENT IS FRAUD FAKE AND A RIP OFF. YOU WILL HAVE TO LIE AND COMMIT FRAUD IF YOU READTHIS AND BUY ONE OR HAVE ONE AND RESELL IT AS WHAT IT IS NOT: GENUINE.

OH.. LET ME HELP YOU OUT. IT SEEMS THE SAME COMPANIES ARE MAKING UP THESE FAKES.

A) SPECIFICATION NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY 60%

B) MFR'S IS NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY

C) A-7 IS A NO BRAINER. NOT UNLESS IT IS A POCKET WATCH CHRONO LONGINES GALLET MOVEMENT ONE BIG POCKETTYPE CROWN WITH PUSHER IN CENTER ALSO NOTE WORDS AVIGATION AND THE MISSPELLING MIR'S INSTEAD OFMRF'S AND SPICIIICATION INSTEAD OF SPECIFICATION. A FAKE SOLD ON EBAY AROUND 9-06/2012 FOR OVER 200.00 US!

D) THE CASE BACK HAS ELGIN STOCK NO 10BNCH OR WALTHAM STOCK NO 10BNCH AND THEN THESELETTERS/NUMBERS 10BNCH . THE 10BNCH IS THE BULOVA HACKING MOVEMENT PLACED ONLY IN THE BULOVA MILISSUE BULOVA STOCK NO. 10BNCH. SO BULOVA STOCK NO 10BNCH WOULD BE PROPER.. BUT EVEN THEN, CHECKWHAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU .

E) BULOVA DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID NOT RECEIVE CONTRACTS FOR VIETNAM ERA GOV MIL SPEC ISSUE WATCHES. WEHAVE THE APPEAL OF BULOVA TO THE U.S. MILITARY BOARD AND THEIR DENIAL TO ALLOW BULOVA TO BE OFFEREDCONTRACT FULFILLMENT. BENRUS WAS THE WINNER..

F) BRITISH MILITARY WWII AND AFTER W.W.W. [WRIST WATCH WATERPROOF] AND 1500' ON, BRITISH BROAD ARROWDESIGNATION SPECIFICATION IS ONLY ON BRITISH WATCHES AND THE BRITISH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VIETNAM. ALLTHROUGH TIME.. LITERALLY, THE BRITISH ADDED BROAD ARROW TO CASE BACKS AND ON SOME DIALS, WWI, WWII THE1950'S AND 1960'S, ON TIMERS IN THE 1980'S. THE BRITISH WAR DEPARTMENT ORDERED MILITARY WATCHESDESIGNATED W.W.W FOR WATCH WRIST WATERPROOF. THESE W.W.W. WATCHES WERE TO HAVE BLACK RADIUMDIALS, 15 JEWEL MOVEMENTS, SUB SECONDS- PERSPEX SHATTER RESISTANT GLASS, STRONG CASES WITH EXTRAWATER PROOFING AND LARGE CROWNS. 12 MANUFACTURERS BUREN, CYMA, ETERNA, GRANA, IWC , JLC, Lemania,LONGINES, OMEGA, RECORD, TIMOR and VERTEX] SELECTED TO FILL THE ORDERS. EACH WOULD PRODUCE WATCHESSIMILAR TO EACH OTHER. ALL WOULD HAVE SCREW DOWN CASE BACKS EXCEPT IWC, WHO UTILIZED A SNAP CASEBACK WITH A LEAD WASHER SEAL.

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ANOTHER TARGET FRAUD IS THE ORD. DEPT WATCHES WE DISCOVER FROM ASIA. OR SOMETIMES THE US BUT AREFROM ASIA. NOTE ABOVE. THEY HAVE USED A COUNTERFEIT DIAL WITH GREEN ILLUMINATED TRIANGULAR MARKERS.THEY PLACED A HAMILTON NAME WITH THE H LOGO -- DUH-- SCREAMS FAKE. THEN THEY CNC THE CASE BACK. BUTTHE GIVEAWAY IS THE MOVEMENTS. YOU SEE IT IS A 1950'S AUTOMATIC. NONE WERE UTILIZED IN US GOV ISSUE MILWATCHES. AND WHY DID I SAY CNC CUT CASE BACK? THE CASE IS FOR AN AUTOMATIC. SO THEY DID NOT USE A MILCASE, CASE BACK AND DIAL AND SIMPLY CHANGE THE MOVEMENT. THE ENTIRE ENSEMBLE IS FAKE. MEANING THEBACK CASE WAS CARVED AND NOT STAMPED - ONE CAN TELL BECAUSE IT IS NO PERFECT.

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WHEN YOU SEE CASES TAKE THE TIME TO ASK VENDER WHAT ERA, WHAT IS ON CASE BACK. THEN GOOGLE ITBEFORE YOU MAKE A BID

ADVERTISED ON EBAY AS :

"THE HIL-W-3818A BRAND ??????? U.S. NAVY MILITARY ????EXCELLENT WORKING COLLECTIBLE CONDITION USNAVYÃ?Â? SIGNED ON FACE AND Ã?Â?US NAVY W.W.W.Ã?Â? ON STEEL CASE BACK. HIL-W-3818A SERIAL NO A7845 NO6645-808-1407 EXCELLENT CONDITION MOVEMENT. VINTAGE ISSUE OLIVE NYLON STRAP. THE Ã?Â?US NAVYÃ?Â?SIGNED DIAL IS PAINTED BLACK WITH Ã?Â?KHAKIÃ?Â?

THE FAKE --NOT COUNTERFEIT-- US NAVY WWW WRIST WATCH IS FRAUD AT IT'S BEST. EVERY THING PART ANDNOTATION IS FRAUDULENT. ALL DESIGNED TO STEAL YOUR MONEY. EVER GO TO RESELL? WELL, YOU CAN BECHARGED WITH FRAUD! CAUSE IT IS FAKE

FAKE ELGIN, OMEGA, WALTHAM , LECOULTRE, BULOVA, WESTCLOX... US NAVY US ARMY WWW BROAD ARROW DIALSALL THE SAME MOVEMENTS THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT BRANDS, AUTOMATICS , CASES THE SAME YET UNLIKE WHATYOU SEE WHEN YOU Google THEM.....

THE US GOVERNMENT, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THE BULOVA/BLANCPAIN NAVY DIVER, NEVER EVER CONTRACTED ORPRODUCED GOV SPECS FOR AUTOMATIC MOVEMENT WATCHES. THE ONLY ONE WAS THE DIVE WATCH WEDISCUSSED..



ABOVE WE HAVE A FAKE LONGINES THE DIAL IS NOT A LONGINES DIAL THAT IS ON THE A-7 AND LONGINES NEVERMADE A DIAL LIKE THIS NO LONGINES WERE MADE FOR VIETNAM AND IN WWII LONGINES MADE MILITARY WATCHES BUTNOT THE TYPE OFFERED THROUGH US GOVERNMENT AND THE DIALS WERE WHITE OR BLACK WITH RAISED RADIUMNUMBERS WITH 24HR ALSO ON SOME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MOVEMENT WE SEE CHEAP ALSO WE SEE A 360 DEGREE AUTOMATIC MEANING THE ROTORSPINS 360 DEGREES ONLY THE BUMPER 180 WAS AVAILABLE BEFORE 1950 OR A RARE ROLEX 360. FACT IS, AS I SAID,NEVER EVER A US MILITARY WATCH NOR A LONGINES MOVEMENT

AND, AS DESCRIBED BELOW, UNDER A-7 AVIGATION, THE TYPE A-7 WAS BEFORE THE A-8 JITTERBUG NAV 1938 TIMERAND THE 1942 A-11 HACKING PILOTS WATCH . THE A-7 WAS A CHRONOGRAPH WITH GALLET CHRONO MOVEMENT WITHLARGE CROWN WITH CENTER BUTTON IN CROWN IT WAS MORE LIKE A POCKET WATCH CASE WITH TWO SUB-DIALS ONTHE MAIN DIAL

NOW FOR THE BIGGEST FAKE, THAT IS USING THE DESIGNATION # SPEC SHEET NO. THE NAME A-7

THE US MIL A-7 WATCH. YOU WILL SEE TONS OF WATCHES WITH A-7 ON BACK CAUSE? IT IS HARD TO FIND THE REAL A-7

SO WE DECIDED TO SHOW YOU ONE....:

THE A-7 A-8 AND A-11 ARE DESIGNATIONS OF SPECIFICATIONS THAT PRODUCED MILITARY ISSUE WATCHES WW11 ANDBEFORE.

A) THE A-7 WAS THE 1930'S "AVIGATION" WATCH

B) THE A-8 IS THE FAMOUS JITTERBUG NAV TIMER

C) THE A-11 FAMOUS HACKING PILOTS WATCH. EACH WERE MADE FOR WW11

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THE AVIGATION WAS THOUGHT TO BE A COOL NAME FOR NAVIGATION AND AVIATION. THE FACT IS, THIS IS THE HARDEST WATCH TO FAKE.

LOOK, BREITLING JAEGER LECOULTRE OMEGA DID NOT HAVE US MILITARY CONTRACTS FOR WATCHES. WATCHESSTATED AS AMERICAN US NAVY ARMY --WHAT EVER -- WITH "W.W.W. AND/OR "BROAD ARROW" ON CASE BACK AREFAKES. THESE ARE BRITISH DESIGNATIONS -ESPECIALLY OFFERS WITH THE WORD "VIETNAM" IN THEM. NOTE NOBRAND ABOVE? AS IF THE GOV MADE THE WATCH. AN THIS OMEGA FAKE SOLD FOR SOME LARGE BUCKS.

AGAIN IT WAS A FAKE

IF THE MOVEMENT IS NOT SHOWN DO NOT BUY UNLESS YOU ARE SURE.

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