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Episode193:HowtoProtectYourFamilyFromtheRiseof5G&OtherEMFs


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometo"TheWellnessMamaPodcast,"I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'mgettinganincreasingnumberofquestionsaboutEMFsandwhattodoaboutthem.Andinthisepisode,we'regoingtodelveintothatandwhattodoaboutit,andallofthoseanswers.BecauseIamherewithDanielDeBaun,whoisaninternationallyrecognizedandinfluentialexpertinshieldingelectronicemissionsandelectromagneticradiationorEMFs.Andhehasaparticularfocusontheeffectofexposurefrommobiledevicessuchaslaptops,tablets,andcellphones,i.e.thosethingsthatourkidsaretouchingallthetime.

AndhisconcernregardingthehealthimpactoftheEMFsgrewfromover30yearsofengineeringexperienceinthetelecommunicationsindustry.Hewasonthefrontlines,heheldavarietyofleadershipandexecutivepositionsinseverallargecompaniesthatwerekindofadvancingtheirtechnologyhere.Andhe'stheCo-authoroftherecentbestseller"RadiationNation:TheFalloutofModernTechnology."SoIcannotwaittojumpin,he'sawealthofknowledge,Daniel,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.

Daniel:Katie,thankssomuchforinvitingme,Iappreciateit,andI'mexcitedaboutchattingwithyoutodayaboutthissubject.


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Katie:Ohmygosh,metoo.AndIgetsomanyquestionsandI'msureyoumustaswell,andIwanttostartwiththebigonewhichis5G.There'sbeenalotofbuzzaboutthis,thisisanewthing.It'sbecomingverywidespread.Solet'sstartwiththebigone,theelephantintheroom,canyouexplainwhat5Gisandwhyit'ssuchabigdeal?

Daniel:Yeah.Sobydefinitionit'sthefifthG,wellit'sthefifthgenerationiswhatitis.There'sactuallybeenfourbeforethat,whencellphonesbecameavailable,youknow,20,30yearsago,orevenfurtherthanthat,itwasallanalog,andthenallofasuddenitshiftedtoadigitalsignal.Asananalogsignal,itwasalwaysaconstantloadtoyourbodyasittraveled.Withadigitalsignal,it'sapulsingdatacontentthattravelswithinthesignal.SowithG1,westartedtocodedigitalsignalsandwegotbetteratitatG2,wegotevenbetteratitthreeandfour.

Andatfour,forexample,it'sabouttwogigahertzthatisit'sfairlyfast,andithasonedatastreamwithinthesignal.Andyoucanpassmaybe10megabitseasilyasacontentload,soyoucanwatchTV.Youcanwatchmediacontentandit'snotjittery,itlooksclean.Well,5G,isnottwogigahertz.Itcanbeupto90gigahertz,thatmeansitcanbe45timesfaster.That'soneofthewaysthey'reputtingmoreinformation,ofcourse,theairwavesisbygoingthatmuchfasterinthespeed.

TheyalsoareaddingwhattheycallMIMO,multipleinmultipleout,thatmeansthere'snotjustonedatasignal,therearemultipledatasignalswithinit.Andso,whereweknewtherewaspotentialconcernsaboutupto4Gwithdigitalsignals,there'sallofasuddenbecominglotsandlotsofinterest,on5G.Becausenowyoucangothatmuchfaster,andyoucanhavemultipledatastreamjoininginside,andthatpotentiallycanbeharmfulinsomethinking,andothersintheserviceproviderscommunity,thinkit'sthebestthingsinceslicedbread.

Katie:Thatmakessense,andIgetthatit'satoughissuebecause,obviously,therearemanypositivestotechnologythatmanyofusenjoy,andthatareconvenient.Andwedon'twanttogiveupourlaptops,orourphones,ortheabilitytowatchvideooneitherofthosedevices.SoIfeellikethisisgoingtobeabigthingthatwedoneedtoaddressduringthiscurrentgeneration,becauselikeyousaid,it'sgettingexponentiallyfaster.It'snotjustthatlike2Gora3Gwastwogigahertz,and3Gisthreegigahertz,thisisincreasingatexponentialrateastechnologydoes.Andthere'snotalikelihoodthatit'sgoingtoslowdownorgoaway.

SoIfeellikethisissomethingimportant.I'mI'dloveforyoutoexpoundon...beforeIknowwetouchedonthisalittlebitinyourfirstepisodethatwedidtogether.Butcanyouexplainalittlemorein-depthwhatEMFsareandhowtheymightimpactthebody?BecauseIknowthere'salotofdoubtersouttherewhosay,oh,it'snon-ionizingradiationthereforeit'ssafe.AndIknowthatyoualsohaveabackgroundinresearchandhavesomereallyvaluableinsightonthis,socanyoudelveintothat?

Daniel:Isure,can.Soyouarecorrect,we'retakingasignalthat'sbeenaroundtwogigahertzandwe'remultiplyingitby45uptopotentially90gigahertz.Well,youjustmentionedtomeionizedradiationthat'slike


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X-rays,gammarays,thingslikethat.Theystartbecomingionizedthatisyoucangethitbythissignal,ittakestheelectronandknocksitoutofitsorbit,andchargesthatelectron.Andit'snowachargedelementthat'swhytheycallitionized.Well,X-raysunderthosecircumstances,exposuresthatarealong,ortoolongcausecancer.Theycausevery,veryseriousproblemstothebodywhenexposedatlongdurationsoftime.

Sowhyisthatimportant?Because90Gisone-thirdofthestartingpointtoionizedradiation,eventhoughit'snon-ionized,it’snowincreasingitspowertoknockanddestructthecells.Andso,allofasudden,whereweweregettingprettyclearwithscienceandresearch,talkingaboutthedangersofthebodyfromtheseexposures,nowthere'sarealconcern.Because,well,whathappensasyoustartapproachingtheionizedspace,isit'sworse.

Andasyouremember,Katie,youknow,thisisastress,thisisn't...andintermsofacelltoyourbody,it'sanoxidativestress.Thatisitreallybothersthemembranetotheextentwhereitstressesthebody'scell,andthenthere'spenetrationofthatcellunderworstcircumstanceswhichcausesmutatedcellsandDNAdamage.Sowhatdoyouthink,45moretimesfaster,whatisthatimpact?Honestly,weactuallydon'tknow.There'snoresearchinthatspacethatsaysisitdangerousornot.Andso,fromauserpoint,youareright,we'renotthrowingourcellphonesawayanytimesoon.You'renotgettingridofyourWi-Fithatyouusetocommunicatewithinyourhome.Andso,they'regoingtobemoreandmoreprevalent,andwearegoingintoaspacewhereweknowlessandlessaboutit.

Katie:Yeah,exactly.AndIthinkthat'stheimportantdistinction,islikeyousaid,there'snotresearchonthis,andtherecertainlynotenoughresearchonthis.It'ssonew.It'ssomethingourgrandparentsdidn'tfacemuchlessourparentsatouragesorcertainlyatourchildren'sages.Sothat'salwaysbeenmycaution,whenIhearpeoplesaylike,"Oh,it'snotionizingradiationtoit'scompletelysafe."No,thatjustmeansweknowthationizingradiationhasanimmediateandpotentialdangerthatwecandocument.Thatdoesnotmeanthatnon-ionizingradiationissafe.Itjustmeanswehaven'tstudiedit,andwedon'thavelong-termdatatoknowwhattheeffectsare.

Ithinkthat'sareallyimportantdistinctionbecauseit'seasytofallintothattrapofjustthinkingwecan'tseeit,it'ssafe,it'sfine.Andjustthinkback,thoseofuslistening,howmanyofushadaniPhone,oraniPad,oratabletattheagesthatourchildrenare?Noneofus.Theydidn'texist.Ididn'tgetacellphoneuntilalmostcollege.Andso,inaveryshortperiodoftime,lessthanonegenerationwehaveseenacompletechangeintheelectricalenvironmentthatwe'reexposedtoonadailybasis,andwedon'tknowwhatthat'sgoingtodotoourDNAoverthelongterm,toourselvesyoumentionedoxidationtoourmitochondria.

Therearesomanylevelshereandthere'sbookslike"TheBodyElectric"andothersthatreallydelveintothebodybeinganelectricalorganism.Andifweunderstandthat,it'sonlylogicaltounderstandthatelectricalimpulsesoutsideofuscanaffecttheinternalenvironmentofourbody.Butwouldyouagreewiththat,amIgettingthatsynapsisright?


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Daniel:That'sanaccuratesummaryofevents,inotherwords,it'sonlybeenrecentlyintroducedinourenvironmentasatoxin.Sowhatdoesthatreallymeantous?Katie,yourememberrecentlytherewasoilthatwasbannedintheU.S.Iforgetthenameofit.

Katie:Wasitthetransfats?

Daniel:Yes,thetransfats.Sohere'sthestoryabouttransfats.Over45yearsago,therewasthislonelybiochemistwhosaid,"It'snottheeggsthat'skillingyou.It'snotthesteaksyou'reeating.It'sthetransfatsthatarehelpingtopreservethefoodmakingiteasiertospreadthebutter,thestuffwecookin.Thatstuffiswhatiskillingus.Andittookthatwhole45yearsorsoforittobebanned.Andso,herewehadanenvironmentalproblemthatwasknownembryonicallysome45yearsago,andallofasuddenit'sbeenbanned.

Well,that'swhathappenswhenweintroducestuffinourenvironmentwereallydon't...theladywhocreatedX-raysdiedofX-raypoisoning.Youknow,it'ssoeventheinventorsofthetechnologiesdon'tfullyunderstandtheimpactofthetechnologiestheyofferus.Soyes,youarecorrect.Weonlyknowmoreandmorewithtime,butIgottatellyouthere'sbeenlotsofrecentstudyworkattheU.S.government,andinEuropeaboutreinforcingonnon-ionizingemission,thatisanX-ray...excusemearadiofrequencyray,anEMF.There'snoquestionwhatsoever,itimpactsthecell.Weknowabouttheoxidativestresstothecell,butwealsoknowthatitgoesfarbeyondthat,anditdoesandwillcreateDNAdamageandmutatedcells.

Sowearegettingsufficient...inmyopinionmorethansufficientevidencethatsaysthisstuffweshouldbeworriedabout.Weshouldbecarefulabouthowwedealwithitinourenvironment.Notthatyoucan'tuseyourcellphone,butyougottaknowthatyourroutermaybetooclosetoyouwhenyou'reworkingonyourworkbench.Yourcellphoneshouldbeputawaywhenyou'renotusingit.Sothesekindsofthingsweneedtobemoreandmoreawareof.Andwe'relearningforsurethere'senoughevidencenowinmyopinionthatsayswereallydoneedtobecautiousaboutthisstuff.

Katie:Iagree.I'm100%therewithyou,andIthinkthattheunhealthyfatsanalogyisareallyapplicableonehere,becausewenowatleasthavebannedtransfatsweknowthosewerebad.Butinthatsametime,therewasyouknow,thevegetableoilsandthelowfatcraze,andthatweneedtoavoidlikeyousaideggs,andsteak,andsaturatedfats.Andnow,wehaveleadinghealthexpertssayingthatlow-fatvegetableoilthingwasoneofthemostdangeroushealthexperimentsofourtime,andthatwe'regonnapaythepriceofthisforgenerations.Butwe'rejustnowstartingtounderstandthathalfofacenturylater.

Andso,nowwelookattheEMFissueandwe'vegotpeoplelikethat,thatonemanbackthenwhoaresayingEMFsaregonnabethesmokingofourgeneration,thisisabigdeal.Wedon'tunderstandwhatit'sdoingtothebody,andbythetimewefigureitout,itmaybetoolate.Becauseifit'saffectingourcells,ifit'saffectingreproduction,thenitcausesobviouslylong-termsideeffectsespeciallyforourchildren.SoI'mcurious,arechildrenmoresusceptiblethanadultstoEMFs,andifso,why?


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Daniel:Yeah.Thereisafederalstandardthatdefinesthemaximumpowerlevelofacellphone.Itwascreated35yearsago,andthemodelthattheyusedtocreatethatstandardwasasix-footmale.Andinthatmodel,theylookedatthethermalimpacttotheskullfromacellphoneradiatingintotheskull.AndwhatImeanbythermalisthatthestandardhadtomakesurethattheareaaroundthecellphonecouldn'tincreasebytwodegrees,anditcouldn'tpenetratethemalebyoneinch.Sothat'showtheycreatedthestrengthofasignalforacellphone.

Butasyoujustpointedout,ourchildrenatsixyearsoldusingacellphonethatsignalgoescompletelythroughtheirhead.Andit'sathermaltransmission.Inotherwords,itheatsalltheelementsithitsasitpassesthroughthehead.Thebodyofachildisveryimmature,andsoitdoesn'thavethesameresponse.Italmostcanabsorbthesignalmoresothanletpenetrationonlybeoneinch.Sothatkindofexposureatavery,veryearlyage,wereallydon'tknowtheimpactofthat.We'llknow20yearsfromnowwhattheimpactis.Andunfortunately,allindicationsareweknowthatthatkindofexposureandifit'slong-termexposurecanbeverydangeroustothebody.

Katie:Exactly.SowhatotherformsofEMFareweexposedtoonadailybasis?Sowetalkedabout5Gandcellphonesandtabletsthat'sdefinitelyamajorsource,andonethatIwouldsayasaparent,kidsdon'tneed.Unlessyourchildisdriving,theydonotneedtobeonacellphone,theyjustactuallydon't.ButwhataresomeoftheotherplacesinadailylifethatwemightbeencounteringEMFsandmaybenotevenrealizeit?

Daniel:Katie,ifyoudon'tmind,I'dliketogobackto5Gjustalittlebittohelpyoubetterunderstandwhythere'sasmuchconcerninthesciencecommunityasthereis.Andthenmaybethenwecanchataboutthedailyexposures?

Katie:Absolutely,let'sdoit.

Daniel:Okay,good.SorememberImentionedhowthosenowtwodigitalsignalsdatain5Gsignal?

Katie:Yeah.

Daniel:Thinkofitthisway,ifItakea10,000poundspieceofsteel,andIputitagainstapieceofconcrete,andIkeepitthereconstantlyitwon'tbreaktheconcrete.Andso,thatisananalogyofwhatwastheanalogsignaltoacell.Whenwegoto5G,we'regoingtohavetwostreamsofdatacontent.Sowe'regonnahavetwoonoffonoff.Soshouldwebeworried?Well,webeganseeingalltheproblemswiththeimpactstothebodyfromcellphonesandalltheotherdevicesthatproducedthis,becausetheywentfromanalogtodigital.Whentheywenttodigital,itbecameananalogsignaltoacell.Whatdoesthatmean?It'sajackhammerthat'shittingthe


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cellwhichcanfracturethecellmembraneeasierthanaconstantloadasananalogsignalwoulddo.Now,we'regonnahavedoublejackhammershittingthecell.

Sothat'swhythesciencecommunityisreallygettingmoreandmoreconcernedthatinfact,thenewtechnologybringssomanymorebenefitstous,incommunicationsamongstallofusandthecontentwewanttolivewith,butitalsodoeshaveamuchmoredifferentcharacteristic.Now,Imentionedthermal,butmostofthestuffI'vetalkedaboutisnotthermal,it'sbiological.WhenItalkaboutamutatedcellthat'sabiologicalimpactit'snotathermalimpact,itcouldbebutmoreoftenthannotit'sabiologicalimpact.

Soifyouhaveachildusingacellphone,sixyearsold,andtheyaredoingperfectlyfineatsixyearsold,thatwouldmeanthatitseemsthateverything'sokay.Butwithbiologicalimpacts,ittakesyears,10years,15yearsfortheimpacttobefeltonthosekindsofexposures.Soit'sabiologicalconcernwehavemoresoeventhanthethermalissueconcern.Andremember,Katie,whenyouuseamicrowaveoven,it'saround2.3gigahertz,andItalkedaboutcellphonesatabouttwogigahertz.

Well,inotherwords,theRFsignal,theelectromagneticradiationwe'retalkingaboutisvirtuallythesamefrequencyrangeasamicrowave.Andinamicrowave,whenyouturniton,itheatsupthewaterbetweenthecells,cellsoscillateandtheycookthemeat.Well,inamicrocosmofthattoyourheadwithacellphone,it'sjustaminimicrowavejustwithmuch,muchlesspower.Butmakesureyouunderstandthere'sabiologicalimpacttotheexposure.

Katie:Thatmakessense,andIthinkit'salsoimportanttohighlightthatthisformanypeopleisconstantexposure,whereasmicrowavescanbecertainlyveryproblematic,butmostofusaren'trunningthem24hoursaday.They'reusedveryinfrequentlyforonlysmallamountsoftime,whereasespeciallywhenwe'retalkingaboutkids,they'reexposedtoWi-Fisignals,andcellsignalsandcellphone,andiPadsalmost24hoursaday,ifnot24hoursaday.

Andso,thisisaconstantexposuresoit'soneofthosethingsthatyouhavetolookatdifferently.Soifthebody...likewecanhandlesmallamountsofstressorsmallamountsoftoxicity,becauseourbodiesareadaptable,we'remadetobeabletohandlethat.Wecan'thandleitalldayeveryday.It'slikeifyouingesttinyamountsofarsenicfromchickenorrice,you'regonnabefinebecauseyourbodycandealwithit,ifit'saone-timething.Ifyou'redoingthatalldayeveryday,eventuallyyou'regoingtoseeaproblemanditmaynotbethatday,itmaynotbethatweek,buteventually,yourbodyisgoingtohaveaproblem.

Andso,Ifeellikethat'sanimportantdistinctionlikeyousaidtolookatwithEMFsisit'saconstantexposurewedon'tfullyunderstand,butitdoeshaveabiologicalimpact.Andessentially,we'restudyingthatbydefaultonourchildrenrightnowbecausewedon'thavelong-termdataandourkidsareconstantlyexposed.


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Daniel:Right.Andinfact,Ithinkthatpointisvery,veryimportantyoujustmade.Thesearetoxins.Thebodyreactstoatoxin,andbelieveitornot,exposedtoarsenicforonesecond,willnotkillyou.Ifyoueatarsenicoverayear,youwilldie.Soitreallydependsonthelevelofexposure,andthedurationofexposure,soyoureallyhavetothinkaboutitasatoxin.AndIdon'trecallifyouandIchattedaboutthislasttimeKatie,butwhenIthinkaboutthattoxinintheroom,Iactuallythinkofbeesintheroom.Onebeewon'tbotheryou,1,000beeswill.

Andthinkoftheallthetransmittersinyourroomthatcouldbepotentiallyequivalenttoabee.Inyourcellphonealone,youhavepotentiallyaBluetoothtransmitter,aWi-Fitransmitter,andacellphonetransmitter,threetransmittersinthatonecellphoneandissittingrightnexttoyou.Andyoucouldhavetherouterafootawayfromyouontheothersideofyou,andallofasuddenyou'regettingmoreandmoreandmorebees.Andthemoreandmoreconcentrationofbeesthereareinthatroom,themoreandmorelikelyitisthatthatconstantloadbecomesmoreandmoreproblematictoyou.SoyoualwayswanttothinkabouthowdoIreducethebeesintheroom.

Katie:That'sanothergoodanalogy,andIknowthat...Ihearfrompeopleallthetimethatsay,"Youknow,it'santi-sciencetoquestionthisandsaythatEMFsareharmful."AndIthinkthere'sactuallyalotofcompellingevidencethattheynotonlycanbebutareharmful,butIwouldsaythisismychallengetoanyonecomingfromthatperspective.BecauseIdothinkthatconversationhelpsallofustomovethistopicforward,Ithinkit'simportanttoheardisagreementfrombothsidesoftheissue.I'mnottryingtoexcludethatatall,butmychallengewouldbelookattheactualdata,lookatthedatafromthelast50years,fromhowmuchhealthoutcomesarechanging,andtheupwardcurveofeverythingfromcardiovasculardisease,toautoimmunedisease,tocancers.AndtrytoexplainitinanyotherwaybesidesIthinkEMFsarenottheanswer,butoneofthemanyanswers.

Explainittomestatisticallyormathematicallywithoutbeingabletolookatthesethings,becauseitdoesn'tmakesense.Statistically,itdoesnotmakesensethatwithinonegenerationweareseeingsucharapidriseofalloftheseproblemsacrosstheboard.Becausefoodalonecan'texplainthat,onelifestylefactoralonecan'texplainthat,andonethingthathasdrasticallychangedduringthattime,isourexposuretotheseEMFs.AndIwouldsaylikelet'sshifttheburdenofproof,ifthey'resupposedtobesafeshowmethestudiesthatshowthatthey'reactuallysafeoverthelongterm,becauseI'velookedandtheydon'texist.

Daniel:No,actually,reallygoodpoint.Wehighlightedamomentagorecentstudies,theNationalToxicityProgramdida$25-millionstudyinthefederalgovernment,andtheyconcludedintheepidemiologystudyahugestudywithsignificantanalysisofthedetailstoensurethestudyaccuracy.That,thereisnoquestionwhatsoeverthatundercertainexposurelevels,therewasfrontallobecancerandheartcancerthatwasassociatedwiththoseexposures.ThatwasreinforcedbyanItalianstudylastyear.AnditactuallywentonestepfurtherandwasactuallylargerthantheoneintheU.S.andtheyconfirmedtheirfindings.

Soyoucanarguethatthere'sadebategoingon,butthereisclearlymoreandmoreevidence,andthemetadataevidenceisoverwhelminglyprovingthatissomethingthatyoureallyshouldconsidervery


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importantlyinyourlifetoavoidifyoucan.Thesearestressesthatdidn'texistwhenIgrewup,noquestionwhatsoever.Yourchildrenwillgrowupwithitintheirliveseveryday.Italkedaboutbeesintheroomamomentago,andnowI'llgiveyouanothercorrelatedsortofexampleofwhatitactuallycouldlooklike.WhenItalkabout4Gtechnologies,thosearethecommonbeesintheroom.WhenItalkabout5G,that'sthekillerbeecomingfromMexicocomingintoyourroom.Soit'smoredangerousthanthecurrentsetofbeesthatyouhaveinyourenvironment.

Katie:That'sagoodpoint,soIthinkatourfirstepisode,whichI'llmakesurewelinkintheshownotes,peoplecanstartwiththatone,wetalkedaboutshieldingandsomethingsyoucandoinyourhometohelpreduceexposure.Butweweren'treallytalkingabout5Gatthatpointbecausethisissomethingthat'snewonthescene.SoI'mreallycurious,beforewemoveonfrom5G,isitpossibletoshieldfrom5Gandarethereanyspecialconsiderationsweneedtoknowaboutforthat?

Daniel:Therearecertaincharacteristicsof5Gthatdifferfromeverythingprevious.WhenyouandIhadachancetotalkawhileago,wetalkedaboutacellphonehavingthecapacitytogoclosetofivemilesandconnecttoacelltower,andthat'safairlylongdistance.Butwhenyoustartincreasingthespeedsofthesignal,togetallthecontentinthatsignal,thatthey'reintendingtohave,thosetowersnowareblocksaway.Everyotherblock,therewillbeatransmitterandreceiversforthis5G.Soallofasudden,they'regonnabesomanymoreofthoseinourenvironment.

Andessentially,it'sprovidingservicesthatwealreadyhave,soyouwannathinkaboutthat.Youknow,youweretalkingaboutcaution,ifyouhaveaserviceproviderthatsays,hey,I'mgonnagiveyoua5Grouter,sowecanconnecttoallyourdevicesandhavehighbroadbandservice,youactuallydon'tneedityouknow.Idon'tknowIwatchTVonmycellphoneandit'sfine.There'senoughbandwidthtogivemethethingsIneed.Soyes,youhavetostartthinkingabouthowdoyouwanttomanagethetechnologiesinyourenvironment.

Katie:Willthethingsthatshieldlike4Gand3G,dothosesamematerialsalsoshield5Geffectivelyifthatcould?

Daniel:Actually,sortofatechnicalthing,theyrefertotheshieldingofthatstuffwithpermeabilityinmind.SopermeabilitysayshowmuchcanIabsorb?Andtherearesomematerialsthatcanabsorbalittlebit,andthenothersthatdoitalot.Soyes,therearesometechnologiesthatactuallycanbeusedasshieldingforthesenext-generationtechnologies,fortunately,forthosewhowannachoosetousesomething.

Katie:Goodtoknow.Solet'sgobacktotheprevioustopicwewereabouttocircleintowhichisjustkindofgiveusaroundupofotherwaysthatwerepotentiallyexposedtoEMFsonadailybasisandwemaynotevenrealizeit?


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Daniel:Let'stalkaboutsomerulesbecausewe'vedancedaroundseveralrulesuptothispoint,andtime,timeofexposure,andthedistanceofthatexposureareprettyimportantcomponents.Inotherwords,ifyouareexposedtoacellphoneforfivesecondsandyouhanguponyourmotherbecauseyoudon'twannatalktoheranymore,virtually,thereisnoconcernwhatsoeverfromthatexposure.Ifyoucallherbackandyoutalkforfivehoursandmakingyourapologiesforhanginguponher,allofasudden,thattimedurationisnowmuch,muchlonger.Andthat'swhenthere'smoreandmoreconcernofpotentialharm.

Sothedistancefromthat,ifyouweretotakethatsamephonecallandyouputitinyourhand,inyourspeakerphoneandyouuseitforfivehours,there'smuchlessdangertoyourbodythantherewaswhenyouhadittoyourhead.Soyoucanmakechoicesaboutwhereyouputtechnology.Here'sagoodexample,yourWi-Fi,neverhaveyourWi-Finearyourbedroomrightyouknowthat.Butwhydoyouhavetherouteronatnightifyoudon'tneedit?Soyoushouldhavetimersonyourrouter.Soyouturnthatbeeoffwhenyou'renotusingitanditminimizestheEMFexposureswithinyourenvironment.Ifyou'renotusingtheWi-FiandtheBluetoothcomponentsofyourcellphone,whydoyouhavethemon?Turnthemoff,youdon'tneedthem.

IfyouhaveaPCoralaptop...Idon'tuseanythingotherthanmyEthernet,inotherwords,Iuseawire,aphysicalwirethatgoestoallthedevicesIcan,andIeliminatethosedevicesfromtransmittingintotheroom.Sotimeanddurationareveryimportanttomanageandofcourse,thethirdthingisifyouaregoingtousestuffveryclosetoyourself,youmaywannaconsiderfindingwaysofpreventingthosesignalsfromtouchingyou,shieldingthosesignals.

Bytheway,IneededtomentionthatIforgotbefore.Katie,doyouknowonlylikefourorfiveyearsago,15%ofthepopulationwaselectrichypersensitive.Inotherwords,ifyouwouldpickupyourcellphone,yourhandwouldtingle.Youwouldputittoyourhead,youreyeswouldhurt,maybeyougotaheadache.15%wereknowntobeelectromagneticallyhypersensitive,ofthat,80%werewomen.Soweknowforsurethatforsomereason,womengetmoreaffectedthanmendo,andwestilldon'tknowwhy.There'ssomeneurologicalpotentialreasonswhy,butweultimatelydon'thaveenoughsciencetounderstanditfully.

Well,today,it'sover20%,soweknowit'sincreasing.Isitbecauseoftheexposuresintheenvironment?Wecan'tspeculatewhatwecandefinitelystatethatthere'saclearincreaseinthathypersensitivity.AndIdon'tknowifyouknowpeoplewhohavethat.Somehaveitprettysevere,andtheycan'tevengoouttheirfrontdoor,it'ssobad.Soweknowthattheelectromagneticcomponentofthatenvironmentweliveinisactuallyinfluencingthehardshipofthatenvironmentthroughhypersensitivitytothosetechnologies.

Katie:Yeah,exactly.IactuallyhadtheopportunitylastyeartostudyatabiologicalmedicineclinicinSwitzerland,andlikegetsomecontinuingeducation.Andsomeofthepatients,thelong-termpatientstherearesensitivetowhattheycallinEurope“Electrosmog”whichisessentiallyEMF.Andthesepatientscan'tleavebecauseevenexposurefromgroundwiresorelectricalwires,orcertainlyWi-Fiandcellphone,acoupleofthemhavegrandmalseizuresfromexposure.


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Daniel:Yeah,it'sveryserious.Actually,I'mworkingwithateamwithinthemedicalcommunitytryingtohelpunderstandthisphenomenabetter.Becausewereallyhavetofindawayofnotjustavoidingit,butcanyourecoverfromexposuresandlivenormallives.Becausesomeofthese...therewasaTVshowsomethingaboutsoul.Hewasanattorney.Ican'trememberfromwhereitwasfrom.Butheusedtoputaluminumoverhisheadwhenhewentoutside,itwasbecauseoftheEHS,hereallywasvery,verysensitive.

AndI'veknownactuallymanypeoplewhohavethatsamekindofextremecase.Andasyougetolderbytheway,ifit'sverylittlenow,itgetsworseandworseovertime.Somanagingthatexposuretimenowisprettyimportantbeforeitgetsanyworseforyou.Bytheway,youwouldbeinterestedinthisstatistic,like99.9%ofanybodywho'selectrichypersensitivearemultiplychemicallysensitivetoo.It'sinterestingbecauseweweretalkingabouttoxins,toxins,andtoxinsinourenvironment,sothebodyisreactinginthesameway.

Katie:Sowhatdoyouseeassomeofthemostimportantstepsthatwecantake?Likeyousaidifit'saminorproblemnowit'sonlygoingtogetworse.Soespeciallyasparents,whataresomeofthemostimportantstepswecantakeespeciallyregardingourchildreninthis?

Daniel:Makesurethattheirenvironment,particularlytheirsleepingenvironment,donothaveanytransmittingsourceswithinit.Likeforexample,ifyouhavearouterontheoutsideofyourbedroomofthechild,movetheroutertosomefardistantplacedinthehousenotevenremotelyclosetowhereyourchildsleeps,becausethoseareconstantexposures.Therearethesedevicesthatallowyoutomonitorchildren.Ifyou'regonnachoosetousethem,donothavethemclosetothekids.Putthemattheveryfarintotheroom,asfarawayasyoucaninthatenvironment.Minimizetheamountofelectronics,becauseyoumentionedsomethingbeforeaboutgroundelectromagneticradiation.

Yourwiresinyourhousegenerateextremelylow-frequencystuff.Thatactuallybotherspeopleandcanreallybotherpeoplealot.Soifyou'regonnahaveachildonawall,makesurethere'snoclockspluggedintothewallcreatingcurrentintheroomthat'screatingthatemission.Sominimizethenumberofbeesinthatroomandthosethingsarereallyimportant.

Otherthingsareyouwanttomakesurethatifyourchildrenaregonnabeusingdevices,minimizethetimeinwhichtheyuseit.Youknow,timeindurationasIspokebeforeandthedistancearereallysortofimportant.Sobyminimizingittosomeextent,notpreventingthemfromusingthem,butbyminimizingit,youactuallyimprovethelikelihoodoflessimpacttothechild.Andso,youwannabealwaysthinkingaboutit.Ifyou'regonnagiveittoachildforalongtime,reallythinkaboutshielding.

Likemanypeopledo,theywannausetheirtechnologyandtheywannauseitnexttothem.Sotherearewaysyoucanshieldyourselftominimizethatexposure.Youcan'tdoenoughtominimizethatexposuretochildren.They'rejusttoosusceptiblemoresothanadultsare.Andbelieveitornot,ifyouwerecallingmeandsayingI'melectricalhypersensitive,whatshouldIdoeverytimeIhavetouseacomputer?Iwouldsay,well,take


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yourlaptop,pushitbackatleasttwofeetawayfromyou,andgetalargescreenthatyoucanseefromadistance,andputdistancebetweenyouandcell...andhaveatit.You'veminimizedtheexposure.

Infact,let'stalkalittlebitwhatthatmeans.Whenyouhaveacellphonedirectlytoyourhead,oryouhavealaptopdirectlyonyourlap,100%ofthatsignalishittingyou.That'stheworstexposureyoucanhave.Whenyoumoveitonefoot,80%ofthatdangertothecellisgone.Byfourfoot,98%.Soifyouhavedevicesinyourhousethatyouhavetohave,keepthemawayfromyou,keepthemawayfromchildren.Simplelittlemechanicslikethatactuallygoesalongwaytominimizethepotentialdangers.

Ifyouhave,asIsaid,arouterandyouhaveitandyouwantthewholefamilytouseit,there'snoreasonitcan'tbeinthegaragethatpenetrateswalls.Andbythetimeitgetsintothehouse,it'saminimaldangertothefamily,asopposedtoputtingitinthemiddleofthelivingroomwheneveryone'ssittingaroundtherouter.Sosimplekindofchangeswithinyourenvironmentreallycangoalongwaytominimizethosepotentialdangerstoyourbody.

Katie:AndIthinkthathelpsuskeepitinperspectivetoothateven...yousaidalittlebitofdistancecanmakeabigdifference.It'snotthatwehavetogohideinacave.It'sthatweneedtobesmartaboutthesethings.AndIknowthatforthenaysayersIwillsayaswell,justconsiderthingsinalogicalsense.IfwemakeaconsciousefforttoavoidtheseEMFsandthenlaterfindoutthey'retotallysafe,whichIdon'tthinkisgonnahappen,thenyouhaven'tlostanything.Whereas,ifwedon'tmakeaconsciousefforttoavoidthemandthenwefindoutin20yearsthattherearecausingcancersorotherproblems,you'velostalot.

SoIfeellikethisisoneofthosethingsthat,evenifyoudon'tthinkthere'resolidresearchtherewhichIactuallydo,butifsomeoneislisteninganddoesn't,it'sstillworthpotentiallylookingintoandshieldingbecauseitdoesn'ttakethatmucheffortnecessarily,anditcanmakeabigdifference.AndIknowthere'sthingslikeastudythatcameoutacoupleyearsagothatshowedthatsevendaysofcampingcompletelyresetscircadianrhythmandreducedinflammationinthebody,andthere'salotoftheoriesastowhy.Butonethingiswedon'thavetypicallywhenwegocampingroutersandWi-FiandTVsinthetent.

SothesepeoplewerehavingabreakfromexposuretoEMFthateveninjustoneweek,theysawadrasticdifference.SomyperspectiveasamomisIwant...weknowthere'spositivebenefits,weknownaturehaspositivebenefitsso,A,wewannaspendtimeoutinnaturewheneverpossible.But,B,wewanttocreateahomeenvironmentthattothemostdegreethatwe'reableisreducinginflammationandmimickingthatnaturalenvironmenttowhateverdegreewecan.Soinourhouse,thatmeansthingslikeweputdevicesinairplanemodeunlesstheyneedtobeonforsomereason.Andifmykidsareonadevice,itisinairplanemodeperiodunlessthey'retalkingtoarelativeonaphone,andthenit'sthemonspeakerphoneorfarawayfromthem.

Andsamethingwith...youmentionedtheWi-Firouter,oursisnotnearanyone'sbedroom,it'snotnearanyone'sworkspace,anditisonatimerthatgoesoffatnight.Becauseyou'renotusingitwhenyou're


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sleepinganyway,sowhyhaveiton.Thatdoesn'ttakereallyanyextraeffortandit'sa$10-timerfromAmazon,isonit'snotthatdifficult.AnothercoolthingIrecentlyfoundataconferenceiscalledanEMFkillswitchbecauseyoumentionedthecurrentinthewalls,sothisthingactuallycanbeaddedontoyourcircuitbreakerboxforyourhouse,andithasswitches.Becausethosebreakerswitchesarenotmeanttogoonandoffallthetime,they'renotlikealightswitch.Andithasadd-onswitchesthatletyouturnoffpowertonon-essentialpartsofyourhouseatnight.

Soyoucanactuallytakeabreakfromallofthatexposure.Soyoucankeepyourairconditioningandrefrigeratoron,butturnofftheWi-Fiandthenon-essentialwiringinthewalls.Sothat'sbeenacoolwaythatwecanusetechnologyinasmartwayandkindofreduceourexposurewhilewe'resleeping.AndI'mcuriousifyouhaveanyothertipsthatyou'drecommendthatI'vemissed?

Daniel:No,actually,asyouwerejustpointingout,anywherethiscurrentflow,thereisanexposureandemissionsinthewall,whenyouhavealighton,whenyouhaveyourradioplaying.Anytimethere'scurrentflow.Sothekindsofsuggestionsyoujusthadarereallysortofsimplethings,doesn'tcostasmuch,evenifyoudon'tbelieveinittakecautionarymeasures.Itdoesn'tcostmuch,andforalittlebitofeffort,there'salotofbenefitpotentially.Certainly,forthoseofusintheresearchsideofthebusiness,there'snotmuchdebate.It'stheserviceproviders'sidethatthere'sdebate.

Therewasanotherthingyoumentionedactuallythattriggeredcircadianrhythm.Whenyoulookatascreenofanelectronicdevice,there'saspectrumofelectromagneticradiationinthelightspectrum.Andbelieveitornot,mostofthatspectrumisfine.Butatnight,whenyou'relookingatascreen,it'snotjustpotentiallybeinghittingyourretina,butit'sscrewingaroundwiththecircadianrhythmofyourbody.Andso,theotherthingyoumaywanttothinkaboutshieldingistheloopcomponentofthatelectromagneticradiation.Andthereareavailablekindsoftechnologiesaroundthatdoesshieldtheblue,andit'smoreandmoregrowinginitsimportance.

I'mworkingwithanophthalmologistandotherexpertsinthefieldonthesesubjects,andwe'refindingthatit'snotjusttheonesimplethingyouworryaboutimpacting,likecircadianrhythm.Asyouknow,it'sabunchofstuffthat'srelatedtocircadianrhythmthatyou'reworriedabout.Andso,takingupaprecautionarymeasureabouttheexposuresyouhavefromthebluelightissomethingyoureallyshouldalsoconsiderbyshieldingaswell.

Katie:Exactly,andthat'sanotherpointonthecampingstudy,peoplewerealsonotexposedtoartificiallightingforsevendaysandwithinsevendaystheyhadlabmeasurabledrasticdifferencesintheircircadianrhythm,andtheirhormones.Becausefrom,likemysideinthehealthandnutritionbackground,melatoninisthehormonethatsignalssleep.Italsoisconnectedtoeverythingfromcortisol,tovitaminD,toproperestrogen,testosterone,progesteroneproduction,allofthat.Whenyourmelatoninismessedup,youaregonnabepotentiallyatriskforalotofhealthstruggles.


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AndI'veseendatashowingthateven,likeyousaid,alittlebitofexposuretobluelightatnight,notevenjustontheretina,butevenonthebodyatnight,cancausesleepproblems,andthenthiscascadeofinsulinissuesandhormoneissues,andhormoneimbalances.It'sjusteverythingissoconnected,soIthinkthat'sanotherreallyimportantpointaswell.Andanotherthingthat'seasyenoughtoavoidinmyopinion,callmeoldfashioned,IknowIam,butkidsdon'tneedtobelookingatscreens,andtheycertainlydon'tneedtobelookingatscreensafterdark.Tome,that'sagreattimetohavefamilytimeandturndownthelightsandspendtimeincommunityversusjustwatchingTVallthetime.

Daniel:Yeah,notonlythat,Idon'tknowifImentionedthistoyouthelasttimewehadachancetochat,butIhaveacolleague,Dr.AliJohanseninSweden.Wetalkedalittlebit,notmuchofcourse,aboutoxidativestresstothecell.Iwasnotworriedaboutasmuchastheoxidativestressasthesystemsimpacttothebody.Whycan'tyousleepatnightwhenyouhaveaclockonefootawayfromyou,oracellphoneonefootawayfromyourhead?It'sbecauseit'sscrewingaroundwithyourmelatoninprocess,thecreationofthemelatoninforyoutofallasleep.Soit'snotjustacellyou'reworriedaboutasyouarejustpointingout,it'ssomany,manyotherthingsthatareimpactinginthebody.

AndDr.Alirecentlyinhisresearchfound,it'snotonlyanoxidativestress,andthatitimpactsotherpartsofthebody,butthewaytheydoitisitsuppressestheimmunesystem.SowhenyouareexposedtoanRFsignal,thisisoppressionoftheimmunesystem,thusthepotentialargumentaboutwhyisthereanincreaseinelectrohypersensitivity.It'sbecauseourbodiesarereactingtothisourimmunesystemisbecominglessandlesscapableofwithstandingtheexposures.Soasyoupointedout,thebetteryouminimizeexposure,themostlikelythebetteroffyouarelongterm.

Katie:Yeah,exactlygoodtoknow.

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Katie:AndIwannamakesurethatwedon'tneglecttotalkaboutshieldingdevicesbecauseIgetaskedthisespeciallybyparentsalot,andIpersonallyuseashieldingcaseonmyphoneandonmylaptop.AndIknowthatyousawthisasabigproblemandcreatedproductstofillthatneed,becauseyourealizedthetrajectoryofwhatweareseeing.ButI'dloveifyoucouldspeakalittlebittohowwecanresponsiblyuseshieldingtechnologyonthingslikeourphones,atourtablets,andourlaptops,andhowthattechnologyworks.

Daniel:Yeah,actuallymaybeyoureadthestory.Sevenyearsagoorsomysonswereusingtheirlaptopsontheirlapsandmywifeturnsaroundsays,"Iwantgrandchildren."Andshehadthisintuitionthattheexposuretotheemissionsfromalaptopweredangeroustothespermofthemale.AndIsaid,"Ah,thatcan'tbetrue,"wellIdidsomeresearchandofcourse,immediatelyfoundoutitwastrue.Infact,25%ofthemalespermisimmobileafterthree,fourhoursofexposure.Soitbecamecleartomethattherewasevidencethatsuggestedthattheremaybeaneedforshielding.SoIlookedaroundandIcouldn'tfindanythingthatreallywasaseffectiveasitshouldbeacrossthespectrumofshieldingthatwasrequired.

SothereweretechnologiesthatactuallyIdevelopedandtookadvantageofinaseriesofproductsthatactuallypreventsthesignalfromtouchingyourbody.Soyoucanyoushoulddevicesbutyou'renotexposingyourselftoanygreaterriskbecauseoftheuseofthatdevice.AndtherearewaysthatyoucanshieldthesignalsattheELFlevel,forexample,thissortofonesetofspecificationsyou'vegottameet.Andwhenyou'reRF,it'sanothersetofspecifications,buttherearedevicesthatactuallycanshield,andthosedevicesareavailableinthemarketplace.

Katie:Yeah,exactly.AndI'llmakesuresomeofthosearelinkedintheshownotesespeciallytheonesthatIuse.Thosewillbeatwellnessmama.fm,foranybodylisteningwhowantstocheckthoseout.Iknowwe'vetouchedonitalittlebit,butI'mreallycuriouswhatyourresponseistopeoplewhosaythatpeoplewhoareworriedaboutEMFsarebeingalarmistandthatthisconcernisnotbackedbyscience?

Daniel:They'renotinformed,period.There'snoquestionwhatsoever.ThereisasufficientamountofevidencethatI'vehad...Iwasn'tabelievernecessarily.Iwasaneophytesevenyearsago.ButIalsorantechnicallaboratoriesformany,manyyearsintheBellSystem,soIwasusedtolookingatdata.SoIbeganlookingatthedata,anditwascleartomethatifyoupaidanyattentiontotheresearchthatwasbeingdone,thattherewasreasontobeconcerned.Idon'tthinkyoushouldthrowyourphoneaway,Idon'tthinkyoushouldnotusetechnology,butIthinkyoushouldbeconcernedaboutitbecausetherewasclearevidencethattherewasimpacttothecell.


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We'velearnedalotoverthepastfiveyears,weknowit'sadangerintheiruse.Mostofusaregonnabeprobablyokay,butsomeofuswillnotbe,itwillbeimpactedwithoutpropermanagementofthattechnologyaroundtheirenvironment.Sothat'swhatIwouldsay,infact,Dr.AlihadaconferenceinEurope,andhesaid,"Allrightalreadyenoughisenough,weknowenough,intheresearchcommunitytosaythisisaproblem."AndItrulybelievehispoint,isthatweknowenough.Theproblemhasbeenresearchdidn'tlinktopractice.Itwasn'tgeneralcommonknowledgewhatwasgoingonintheresearchspace.

Andthere'sapreponderanceofevidencethattalksaboutitclearly,andthere'sclearevidence.Infact,Idon'tknowifyouremember"RadiationNation"wasabookweputtogetherforthatveryreason.Wedidn'tthinkresearchwasgettingtothesciencecommunity,thepractitionersthatwerehelpingthepublic,northepublicitself.Sowereleasedabook"RadiationNation,"tohelppeoplebeinformedaboutwhatweknowandwhatwedon'tknow.Youdecideifit'saproblemornot,butclearly,there'senoughevidenceinthemarketplace,inthesciencecommunitytalkingabouttheproblems,andIwouldtakeprecautionifIwereyou.

Katie:Greatresponse.IhadacoupleotherquestionsIcan'tbelievewe'realreadyatendofourtimealready.ButIlovetoaskandIwanttogetyouranswersto,firstandforemostwouldbeisthereabookbesidesyourownwhichofcoursewillbelinkedintheshownotes,thathasreallyhadanimpactonyourlifeorthatyouwouldhighlyrecommend?

Daniel:Actually,it'sfunnyyouaskmethatquestion,believeitornot,whenIwasquiteyoung,Ireadabookandyou'llknowit,"LittleWomen."Itwasnotasciencebook.ItwasabookasyoumayknowthatwasstartingattheCivilWarlevel,anditisaboutthelivesofwomen,theircharitablecontributions,aswellasmoreimportantly,therelationshipsoftheirfamilyovertheirlifespan.Sotome,thatwassortoflikeprettyinsightful,andIguessatthatpointbeforeIreadthebookwasn'tquiteasawareofthatkindofimpact,understandingrelationshipswas.Soasurpriseanswer,I'msure.

Katie:Thatisanewoneforthatquestion,andasurprisingrandomfactaboutme,IwasactuallyJoin"LittleWomen"inaplaybackinhighschool.

Daniel:You'rekiddingme.

Katie:I'mreallyfamiliarwithit,probablycouldstillrecitesomelinesifIthoughtaboutitforaminute.SoanotherquestionI'dlovetoaskandIthinkyou'regonnahaveareallyinsightfulanswerto,isiftherewasapieceofadvicethatyoucouldspreadfarandwide,whatwoulditbeandwhy?Becausethere'sacouplehundredthousandpeoplewhowillatleasthearthis,soIcanhelpyougetitthatmanyatleast.

Daniel:Recognizewhat'simportantinyourlife.AndthewayIliketothinkaboutitisonyourdeathbed,Katie,youwon'tbethinkingaboutyourpodcast,youwon'tbethinkingabouttheprettyshoesyoubought,thenicenewcaryouhave.Whatyou'llbethinkingaboutisyourclosefriendsandyourfamily.Sorecognizethemost


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importantthingsinyourlifearethefamilyaroundyou,somyadviceistopayattentiontoyourfriendsandfamily.

Katie:ThatisgreatadviceandIthinkprobablyattheendoftheday,someofthemostimportanthealthadvicewecanget.Ithinkfamily,andcommunityandtimetogetherisbyfaroneofthebiggesthealthfactors,andIlovethatyoubroughtthatup.Well,Daniel,Iknowthat,asaResearcher,abusinessowner,everythingthatyoudo,you'reverybusyandIreallyappreciateyoutakingthetimetobehereagain,andtoeducateandtoshare.Ithink,likeIsaidatthebeginning,thisisanincreasinglyimportantissue,andIlovethatit'ssuchapassionforyoutohelpeducateusaboutit.

Daniel:Well,thankssomuchforinvitingme.Ireallydoenjoytheopportunitytotalkaboutthesethings,justtohelppeopleunderstandtheenvironment.Theymakechoicesonwhattheywannadobasedonknowledge,that'sthebestwaytomakegoodchoices.Andwithyourwork,sharingtoyourlisteningaudiencetheimportanceofmaintaininghealthandunderstandingallaspectsofhealthisvery,veryimportant.AndIappreciateanopportunitytosharemyaspectofthathealthtoyourcommunity.

Katie:Andthankstoallofyouforlistening.AndIhopetoseeyouagainnexttimeon"TheWellnessMamaPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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