drones ad hoc hearing testimony - chris rogers
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CongressionalProgressiveCaucusPeaceandSecurityTaskforce:AdHocHearingonDrones
TestimonyofChristopherRogers,ProgramOfficer,RegionalPolicyInitiative,OpenSocietyFoundations
May8,2013
Introduction
ThankyoutoRepresentativeBarbaraLeeandtheCongressionalProgressiveCaucusfortheopportunity
tospeakheretoday.
FewAmericanstrulyunderstandthescopeandbreadthoftheU.S.droneprogram,itsimpacton
affectedcommunities,andtheconsequencesfortheUnitedStates,andfortherestoftheworld.Most
importantly,thesecrecysurroundingdronestrikesandtargetedkillingsneedstocometoanendsothat
theAmericanpubliccanhaveafull,opendebateaboutthelegality,andthewisdomofthispractice.
CivilianHarm
Dronesarenotascleanorcostlessasadministrationofficialswouldliketobelieve.InPakistan,my
organizationhasintervieweddozensofwitnessesandvictimsoftheseattacks.Afterlookinginto27
casesofdronestrikesbetween2009and2012,wedocumented26crediblereportsofciviliandeaths,
includingwomenandchildren.Forinstance,inApril2011,witnessestoldusthatadronestrikeona
guesthousekilledmilitants,butalsoseveralciviliansinthesamecompound,includinga12-year-old
boy,sparkingoutrageinthatcommunity.
Dronescanbemoreprecisethanotherweaponssystems,butasourfindingsshow,theyarenotandcan
neverbeperfect.Administrationofficialsfrequentlycitethetechnologicalsophisticationofdrones,
includingmultiplelivevideofeedsandpowerfulcameras.Butfaithinthistechnologyrunstheriskof
blindingofficialstotheerrorsandintelligencegapsinherentinusinganyweaponandthecivilian
deathsthatinevitablyresult.Civilianvictimsdeserve,asamatteroffundamentaldignity,tohavetheir
lossesrecognizedbyourgovernment,andforredresstobeprovided.TheU.S.governmentmustbegin
bytakingwhatisnowamultitudeofcredibleciviliancasualtyclaimsseriously.
DronesarenotaStrategy
Thequestionoftheeffectivenessofthedronecampaigncannotbeevaluatedwithoutweighingthese
humanitarian,andinturn,politicalimpactsofsuchattacks.
ItishelpfultotakeastepbackandconsidertherealitiesonthegroundwheretheUnitedStatesis
conductingdronestrikes.InPakistan,theyoccurintheFederallyAdministeredTribalAreasorFATA.
Havingspokentomanypeoplefromthisregion,Ihaveseenthatdronesarebynomeanstheonly,or
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eventhegreatestthreatfacedbythepeopleofFATA.FATAisundersiege,andhasfordecadesbeen
economically,socially,andpoliticallyisolated.Averageincomeislessthan250dollarsperyear.Less
thanoneinfiveareliterate.Therearenocourts,noelectedlocalgovernment.Militancyhasfilledthis
vacuumandtheensuingconflicthasdisplacedhundredsofthousands,ledtothedetentionof
thousandsmore,andcausedanuntoldnumberofciviliandeaths.
PeopleinFATAarecaughtbetweenmilitantsandthePakistanimilitary,dealingwiththedestructionof
theirtraditionaltribalstructures,andanabsenteegovernment.Itisagainstthisbackdropthatthe
UnitedStatesisconductingdronestrikes,whichhavekilledtwotothreethousandpeopleoverthepast
severalyears,incommunitiesthatalreadyfeelabandonedandextremelyvulnerable.
Insuchanenvironment,itisclearthatdronesareatacticnotastrategy.Thesubstantialdiplomatic
costsofdrones,theirpotentialtospurnbacklashandunderminekeystrategicrelationships,demandsa
realisticassessmentofhowtheyfitintoabroadercounter-terrorismstrategy.EveninPakistan,where
Administrationofficialshavesuggestedthatthegovernmenthasconsentedtosuchstrikes,thereare
deepdivisionswithinthehighestlevelsofthePakistanistate,andsociety.Thesefissuresareexploited
byextremistpartiesandgroupstothedetrimentoftheUnitedStatesanditsallieswithinPakistan.
WhatistheU.S.slong-termcounter-terrorismstrategy?Howdodronestrikesfitintoandfurtherthat
strategy?Inwhatwaysaredronestrikescounterproductive?Thosearethemostimportantquestionsto
asknotsimplythebodycountofmilitantskilled.
TheExpandingDroneCampaign
Inaddition,itisvitallyimportantthattheAdministrationbenotonlytransparent,butalsostraight-
forwardwiththeAmericanpeopleabouttheeverbroadeningscopeofthedroneprogram.Drone
strikesarentjusttargetedkillingsofspecificallyidentifiedal-QaedaterroristsplottingtoattacktheU.S,
asAdministrationofficialssuggest.JohnBrennan,inhisApril2012speechonU.S.dronestrikesand
counter-terrorismpolicy,saidthat,InordertopreventterroristattacksontheUnitedStatesandto
saveAmericanlivestheUnitedStatesGovernmentconductstargetedstrikesagainstspecifical-Qa'ida
terrorists.Mr.Brennanmentionedal-Qaida72timesinthatspeech,whichhasbecomethetouchstone
oftheAdministrationsdefenseofthedroneprogram.
Thesestatementsmisleadthepublic.ThebulkofCIAstrikesinPakistan,accordingtoreports,are
signaturestrikes,whichtargetindividualswhoseidentitiesarentevenknown,nevermindspecifically
identifiedal-Qaidaterrorists.AccordingtoanalysisofnewsreportsbytheNewAmericaFoundation,al-
Qaedamembersrepresentmerely10%ofthethousandskilledbydronesundertheObama
Administration,withonly16leaderskilled.Themajorityofthosekilledhavebeenunknown,lower-level
militantsfromawiderangeofotherorganizations,includingdifferentPakistaniTalibanfactionsaswell
ascivilians.
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TherealityisthatthedroneprogramhasundergoneadramaticexpansionundertheObama
Administration,basedlargelyontwowords:associatedforces.Thattermhascometoencompassa
widerangeofindividualswithquestionableconnectiontotheeventsof9/11,thebasisofthe
AuthorizationtoUseMilitaryForce.Itisatermthatnowstretchestogroupsthatdidntevenexistat
thattimeandincountriesfarawayfromthebattlefieldinAfghanistan.Thisraisesseriousquestions
regardingthelegalityofsuchstrikesunderinternationallaw,aswellasunderU.S.domesticlaw.
Precedent
Finally,theU.S.mustseriouslyconsidertheprecedentitissetting.TherealityisthatthePakistani
governmentisntagainstdronesitwantsitsown.Thatsthefutureofdronewarfareothercountries
usingarmeddronestoconductkillingsontheirownterritoryorthatofotherstates.Thequestionthe
UnitedStatesmustaskitselfiswhatkindoflawsandrulesitwantstherestoftheworldtolivebywhen
thatdaycomes.
Conclusion
Anadmirableprecedenttosetwouldtobetoprovideredressforcivilianskilledorinjuredindrone
strikesandcreaterigorouspost-incidentaccountabilitymechanisms.Thiswoulddomuchtohelpdeter
abuseandensureoperationscomplywiththelaw.
Mosturgentistheseriousdemocraticdeficitwhenitcomestodrones.Congressshouldpressthe
Administrationtopubliclydisclosetheinformationandfactsnecessaryforustodeterminewhether
suchoperationsarelegal,soundpolicyandwhethertheyareconsistentwithAmericanvaluesandinterests.
ButCongressandtheAmericanpublicshouldgobeyonddemandingdisclosure.Transparencyisnot
enough.Wemustusethatknowledgetomakejudgmentstoensurethatourpoliciesmatchour
values,andthatthelawsthatprotectciviliansandlimitwarareupheld.