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Traditional TranslationProblem - 1

Archives de l'Etat Neuchâtel. Reconnaissance de la Chatellenic du Landeron, 1431 par les Commissaires De Gland et Des Pas; Forains du Landeron: S� ėrie de La Neuveville.

Je, Perroud Pillot fils de Niquilly Pillot, bourgeois de La NeuvevilleRest is Brick Wall

The heart with 2 crossed keys is the symbol for La Neuveville



Archives de l'Etat Neuchâtel. Reconnaissance de la Chatellenic du Landeron, 1431 par les Commissaires De Gland et Des Pas; Forains du Landeron: S� ėrie de La Neuveville.

Language: Not French, not even 15th century French

But Gothic



Translated from the Gothic to 15th Century French by Mr. Svato Schutzner, Rare Book Section, Library of Congress:

Je Perraud Pillot, fils de Niquilly Pillot, bourg[eois] de la Nouveville, fay sauer a tous que je *saige* &c. pour moy et pour mes hoirs quelconques confesse et par cestes presentes recognesse &c. me tenir &c. de mondit seigneur le conte &c. une vigne sises en la chastellaine Vignoble et seigneurie de la Noueuille ver le Ruz de Vaul ver le *publo* contenant deux fosseriers jouste la vy publiau deuer vent et pet[er?] Rudin deuer bise la vigne *blank space* deuer le Jorain et la vigne Jehan Buchin deuer orient desoubs l'annuelle et perpetuelle cense dung sext[ie]rs et demi vin blanc mesure de la Nouueuille chascungs an a paier on terme surdit. Confesse &c. comen le premier &c. renounce &c. jure &c. donn[e] comen dessus

Idem *(Signatures, chiffres)* ... De Passibus ...



Translated from the 15th century French by Monsieur John Pierre-Benoist:

I, Perraud Pillot, son of Niquilly Pillot, citizen of La Neuveville, make known to all that I affirm for myself and for my heirs, certify and am recognized by those present that I hold for my lord, the count, a vine situated in the castle vineyard, owned by the lord of Neuveville, in the direction of the Vaul Street towards the village (public?) containing two trenches (rows of vines?) along the public way, in front of the vine held by Father Rudin, bounded? by the vine held by Jorain, and the vine held by Jehan Buchin to the east under the yearly and perpetual tax of 6 1/2 Neuveville measures (barrels?) of white wine per year to be paid according to these terms.

Confessed to me as the first, in which I have no conflict of interest, I swear the testimony as given above is true. The same *(signatures and marks)* ... De Passibus ...



I Niquilly

II Perroud

III Imer

IV Jehanete Pellot dit Duc

V Jehan VI Pierre

VII Imer Thurs Duc dit Pelot

VIII Jehan IX Imer X Jonas

XI Pierre XII Pétremand

XVIII Jean XIX Jonas

XXIII Jonas Henri XXIV Jean Pierre

XXV Charles Henri

XXX Marianne XXXI François Charles XXXII Sophie Elise

XXXVIII Auguste Frédéric

XIII Jonas XIV Jehan

XV Isaac XVI Jean Jacques XVII Pierre 1 Jonas

XX Isaac XXI Jean Pierre XXII Jean Jacques

XXIX Jean PierreXXVII Jean Jacques XXVIII Jacques FrédéricXXVI Samuel

XXXV François CharlesXXXIII Jean Frédéric XXXIV Jean Pierre

XXXVI Charles Adolphe XL Charles Frédéric

~1390

~1410

~1440

~1490

~1520 ~1526

~1546

~1585 ~1589 ~1595

~1635 ~1637 ~1638 ~1645

~1665 ~1679 ~1689 ~1673 ~1675 ~1687

~1702 ~1720 ~1732 ~1695 ~1701

~1767 ~1772 ~1730 ~1732 ~1739

~1802 ~1816 ~1770 ~1772 ~1781

~1822 ~1801 ~1815

~1548

~1804

XXXVII Louis August~1839

XXXIX Maximilien~1804



Genealogy Translation Problems:

Not translation from Modern Language to another Modern Language15th Century French is different from Modern FrenchAs in example, Gothic was the language in the original document

No modern equivalent – Hence not supported by GoogleCommon contemporary words may have no modern equivalentAbbreviations used then may be meaningless todayHandwriting may be difficult to interpret Surnames may confuse the translation

Hope your findings are in Latin The Language is little changed except for punctuation


Google Translation

Need to translate Web PagesNeed to translate digital Text Need to Perform Searches across other languagesNeed to Search Web Sites in Foreign Countries

But first something on translation, in general


Translating Text In General - 1

Example The flesh is weak but the liquor is strong



The flesh is weak but the spirit is strong



The flesh is weak but the spirit is strong

But also got


Google Translation



Translating Web Pages -1

Example


Translating Web Pages - 2



Which Country???Go to: http://www.ibiblio.org/ais/url.htmFor URL country codesSometimes country is in URL



Enter URL

Select desired translation and hit “Translate”



From Google BooksSearch on “Samuel George Pelot”

Spanish

Spanish

Spanish



Translated

Not Translated, It’s an ImageUse Translate tool

Samuel George Pelot by appointment of His Excellency Quartermaster General of the Department of Venezuela, Commander of the Navy. To V. E. com due regard states:


Google Translation



Google Translate Tool - 1



A lot of holes, but can get the concept behind the document



Useful to translate citation as well!


Google Translation



Searching Across Languages - 1

Problem:

Search Terms entered in English will not necessarily provide hits on foreign URLs

Say ancestor was a shoemaker in the old country

Solution:

Perform search in country’s native language



Note quotes – eliminates a bunch of hits for Pelota, Pelotas, Pelot??? - Otherwise 825,000 hits-Pelota doesn’t seem to work


Google Interface in Your Language

Was 139 DifferentLanguages

Now only about 50 Languages


Google Translation



Visit Local Google Domain – 1

181 DifferentLocal

Domains


Visit Local Google Domain – 2

629,000 Hits on Pelot


Visit Local Google Domain –3

622,000 Hits on Pelot7,000 Less than

Search on Swiss Domain


Questions

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Future PlansSuggestions for FutureMGS Computer SIGs:

41

Exploring The On-Line 1940 Federal Census– October 2012 Ten Useful Computer Tips for Genealogical Research – November 2012 Making Custom Linage Charts and Personalized Genealogical Maps – December 2012 or January 2013 Getting Pictures into Family History Gay Schoenknecht 941-778-8689 Exploring New York Times Archive Exploring First Search Posting Stuff to WWW Explore Infoweb Exploring MyHeritage.com (not to be confused with Heritage Quest) Exploring Ancestry.com Beginning Computer Stuff SteveMorse.org Using Iphone for Genealogy Other Useful Programs

What else would you like to have addressed at future Computer SIG Meetings?????

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