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#39 (223) 12-18.IX.2012 weli gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: [email protected] fasi 1 lari
Cemo TanamebrZolebo!q u d z e k a c i u n d a g a m o v i d e s !Cven unda vibrZoloT sakuTari momavlisTvis, Cveni Svilebis momavlisTvis!
Cveni samSoblosTvis!
Cveni saqarTvelosTvis!
Cven iseT qveyanas avaSenebT, sadac veRaravin waarTmevs xalxs Tavis arCevans!
CCvveenn RRiirrsseebbaass ddaavvuubbrruunneebbTT CCvveennss qqvveeyyaannaass!!
Cven Rirsebas davubrunebT da gavaerTianebT Cvens xalxs!
Cveni qveyana Tavs daaRwevs gaWirvebas!
ra moxdeba da rogor moxdeba, ar vici, magram ivaniSvili mova
xelisuflebaSi, namdvilad mova!
gogi TofaZe:
kaxa kukava:
miSas imitom
hgonia ivaniSvili
trocki, rom
TviTon aris
patara stalini
demokratiiT datanjuli
pirdapir vacxadeb, Tu saWiro gaxda,
revoluciaSi uyoymanod miviReb
monawileobas!
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saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.2
gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.informaciis sizusteze pasuxismgebelia avtori. gasaCivrebaSesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.
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Cemo Zvirfaso zugdidelebo,dgeba dro mniSvnelovani gadawyveti-
lebisa, rodesac Cven, rogorc maRali
pasuxismgeblobis grZnobis mqone sazo-
gadoebam un-
da ganvsazRv-
roT Cveni qa-
laqisa da ra-
ionis, Cveni
qveynis bedi
da momavali.
gadavwyvitoT,
Sevgwevs Tu
ara unari vib-
rZoloT Rir-
sebisa da si-
marTlis dasa-
cavad.
dRes, rogorc arasdros, gvWirdeba
sibrZne, vaJkacoba da goniereba swori
arCevanis gasakeTeblad. Cven Tavad unda
gadavwyvitoT, Tu ra gzas virCevT: sic-
ruisa da siyalbis, Zalmomreobisa da
abuCad agdebis, uuflebobisa da SiSis,
Tu uflisa da sazogadoebisagan nakarna-
xevi Rirsebisa da simarTlis gzas.
es arCevani dRes keTdeba!
amitomac gadavwyvite mivmarTo da
vTxovo yvela zugdidels, zugdidsa
Tu TbilisSi mcxovreb yvela Cems Ta-
namoqalaqes _ dadeqiT simarTlis mxa-
res! es aucilebelia Cveni qveynis uke-
Tesi momavlisTvis, zugdidelebisTvis,
Cemi megrelebisTvis, WeSmariti qarTve-
lebisTvis. aravin ar unda darCes gul-
grili arCevnebis mimarT. vinaidan dRes
gveZleva SesaZlebloba uari
vTqvaT Zaladobasa da si-
yalbeze da arCevnebis gziT
SevcvaloT xelisufleba.
adamiani xom samyaros
gvirgvinia, romelsac uf-
lisgan eboZa Tavisufali
arCevanis ufleba. Cven val-
debulni varT, es ufleba
gamoviyenoT, davicvaT igi da
aravis mivceT SesaZlebloba
misi xelyofisa.
ukanaskneli 20 wl-is manZilze samegre-lom sxva regionebzemetad ganicada ekonomikurisiduxWire. ZmaTamkvleliomi, usamarTloba. samegre-lo gaRatakebul, daSinebulda daTrgunul regionad ga-daiqca, umuSevari mosaxleo-biTa da damwuxrebuli, usixa-rulo saxeebiT, patimarTa ka-tastrofuli raodenobiT.
dRes politikaSi yofna da sazoga-
doebrivi aqtiuroba qveyanaSi arsebuli
mdgomareobis gaTvaliswinebiT, TiToeu-
li CvenTaganis movaleobaa. es aris Cve-
ni Rirsebis saqme. Cven yvelas erTad
mogviwevs Selaxuli Tavmoyvareobis aR-
dgena da ara mxolod dakarguli teri-
toriebis, aramed Cveni afxazi da osi
Zmebis, debis dabruneba. Kkaci, romelic
dRes ganacxadebs “politika ar mainte-
resebso”, samwuxarod miamitad ityuebs
Tavs. aravis gvaqvs ufleba viyoT gul-
grili politikis, saqarTveloSi mimdi-
nare procesebis da 1 oqtombris arCev-
nebis mimarT. Cveni valdebulebaa gvqon-
des pozicia - dRes aqaa Cveni didgori
da basiani.
rogorc araerTxel yofi-la qveynis istoriaSi, dRe-sac samegrelom unda Seasru-los gamaerTianeblis roli!swori arCevanis gakeTebisSemTxvevaSi, zugdids, zugdi-dis mosaxleobas SeuZliaSecvalos reJimi da cxovre-bis wesi ara marto am qalaq-Si, aramed mTel qveyanaSi.
Cemo zugdidelebo, Zmebo da debo,
erTxelac gavixsenoT vin varT, saidan
movdivarT, rogor gadavrCiT istoriis
ulmobel qartexilebSi. CvenSi kolxe-
bis sisxli Cqefs, im ZirZveli kolxebi-
sa, romlebmac TavianTi vaJkacobiT
dRemde mogviyvanes. gavufrTxildeT da
CaveWidoT yvelafers Rirebuls, rom ar
davikargoT wuTisoflis mzakvrul la-
birinTebSi. davicvaT sisxliTa da of-
liT gadarCenili sanukvari ganZi - “ena,
mamuli, sarwmunoeba”. Cveni eris mfarve-
li angelozi Tavad zeciuri dedofali
- yovladwminda deda RvTismSobelia,
romlis kvarTi zugdidSi inaxeba da
romliTac ase vamayobT zugdidelebi. es
did pasuximgeblobas gvakisrebs!
dRes cvlilebebis droa!amitomac vdgavar koalicia“qarTuli ocnebis”, batonibiZina ivaniSvilisa da irak-li alasanias gverdiT. iq, sa-dac Cemi adgilia _ Cemi zug-didisa da zugdidelebisgverdiT. mjera da vici, romCven erTad gavimarjvebT daarCevnebiT SevcvliT dRevan-
del xelisuflebas. Sevcv-liT im usaxur realobas, ro-melic Cven zugdidqalaqSi,mTels zugdidis raionSi dasruliad saqarTveloSia.
rogorc amas winaT uwmindesma da
unetaresma brZana : “sikeTe yovelTvis
imarjvebs borotebaze”. madloba ufals
am didi wyalobisaTvis. Mmdabali SiSi
sabolood unda daiZlios. Cveni arCeva-
ni unda iyos mtkice da gabeduli. simar-
Tlea is Zala, romelic SiSs amarcxebs.
dRes simarTle “qarTuli ocnebis” mxa-
resaa.
mjera, zugdidi da sruli-ad saqarTvelo 1 oqtombersRirseul gamarjvebas moipo-vebs. manamde ki 22 seqtemberszugdidSi Sedgeba samagali-To sazeimo Sexvedra batonbiZina ivaniSvilTan da koa-liciis sxva liderebTan.
yvelas gelodebiT, Cemogautexelo zugdidelebo!
merab qvaraiakoalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~
zugdidis ofisis xelmZRvaneli
interviu Tbilisis saxelmwifo uni-
versitetis istoriis fakultetis II
kursis studentTan, koalicia `qarTuli
ocnebis~ vakis axalgazrduli frTis
wevrTan irakli kalandiasTan
_ irakli, ratom gadawyvite `qar-
Tul ocnebaSi~ gawevrianeba?
_ Cemi kursidan sul ramdenime varT,
vinc es gadawyvetileba miviReT. imitom,
rom migvaCnia, ase gagrZeleba aRar SeiZ-
leba. oqtombris arCevnebi gviaxlovdeba
da es aris bolo Sansi _ saqarTvelo an
ganviTarebis swor gzas daadgeba, an da-
iRupeba, unda Seicvalos yvelaferi.
_ ris Secvlas gulisxmobT?
_ qveyanaSi masobrivi SiSia gamefebu-
li. ar unda gagrZeldes ase, Tu ase ki-
dev gagrZelda, SeveguebiT gabatonebul
SiSs, mere ukve Zalian gviani iqneba.
amboben, kriminali da korufcia dava-
marcxeTo, kriminali ar aris is, me ofi-
sidan `qarTuli ocnebis~ maisuriT rom
gamovdivar da ar vici, saxlSi cocxali
davbrundebi Tu ara?
iciT, Tqven, cota xnis win daakaves
`qarTuli ocnebis~ axalgazrduli jgu-
fis wevri beqa jiqiZe da ukve miusajes
winaswari orTviani patimroba.
Cven CavatareT aqcia Sinagan saqmeTa
saministrosTan, magram rad ginda, reagi-
reba ar yofila.
_ is xulignobis braldebiT daaka-
ves. Tqven Tu SemTxvevis adgilze ar yo-
filxarT, ra iciT, iqneb ixuligna kide-
vac?
_ ara, ara, me, marTalia, iq ar vyo-
filvar, magram aseTi ram ar imaleba. be-
qa `qarTuli ocnebis~ maisuriT yofila
megobarTan erTad. im megobars patara
Cxubi mosvlia da beqa jiqiZe wauyvaniaT.
iq Seuracxyofac miuyenebiaT beqasTvis
samarTaldamcavebs.
saqme isaa, rom ver vitan tyuils da
TvalTmaqcobas. sanam pirvel kursze vi-
yavi, biZina ivaniSvilis fuliT xdeboda
pirveli korpusis remonti, Cven mexuTe
korpusSi viyaviT, kibeebi ise iyo morye-
uli, xis ficrebiT iyo gamagrebuli,
studentebs erTi suli gvqonda, rodis
garemontdeboda pirveli korpusi. yvela
fiqrobda, rom remonti universitetis
saxsrebiT midioda da aravin icoda, rom
ivaniSvili akeTebda amas. mere, roca ga-
davediT I korpusSi, aravis uTqvams, rom
ivaniSvilis xeliT iyo galamazebuli
iqauroba.
me da Cemi megobrebi ise varT ganwyo-
bili, rom ar davTmobT Cvens arCevans da
es Zalian mixaria, Tumca guli mwydeba,
rom studentebis umetesobas, ZiriTadad
maT, vinc regionebidan aris Camosuli in-
formacia ar aqvT da yvelaferi ise hgo-
niaT, rogorc saxelisuflebo televizi-
ebidan xedaven. aq, universitetSi, maTi
ZiriTadi `ideologi~ TviTmmarTvelobaa,
romelsac dahyavs eseni eqskursiebze, po-
litizebul SemecnebiT-gasarTob Ronis-
Ziebebs atareben, aTasobiT Tanxebi ixar-
jeba iseT rameebze da studentebs war-
modgenac ar aqvT, rom es maTi swavlis
gadasaxadia, maTive jibeebidan amoRebu-
li.
kmayofili arian, TavisTavad cxadia,
da mere isev am TviTmmarTvelobas irCe-
ven da ver xvdebian, ra situaciaa qveya-
naSi.
me studentur gaerTianeba `studen-
tur xmaSic~ viyavi. vibrZodiT gaTavi-
suflebuliyo universiteti marTvadi
TviTmmarTvelobisagan. TviTmmarTvelo-
bam ramdenjerme mTxova gavmxdariyavi
maTi jgufis wevri, magram ganvucxade
_ me var `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevri da
ar SemiZlia viyo TqvenTan, radgan ver
moviTmen calmxriv politikur propa-
gandas studentebSi-meTqi. ver miviReb-
di nacmoZraobis mier dagegmil Ronis-
ZiebebSi monawileobas, rogorc amas
TviTmmarTvelobis wevrebi akeTeben.
ver wavidodi, magaliTad, makkeinTan
Sexvedraze da a.S. arada valdebulni
arian. Tbilisis merTan Sesaxvedrad
amas winaT grandiozuli Sexvedra mo-
awyves.
tendenciuri rom aris yvelaferi, es
ar momwons. biZina ivaniSvils rom undo-
des studentebTan Sexvedra, vin icis, ra
moxdeba. TviTmmarTveloba, albaT, xels
ki ar Seuwyobs, piriqiT, SeuSlis.
yvelaze metad axla vwux-var imaze, ra moxdeba sameg-reloSi ivaniSvilTan Sex-vedraze. me samegrelos Svi-li var da velodebi, rom sa-megrelom unda Tqvas yvela-ze Tamami da gadamwyvetisityva. rac samegreloSixdeba, es araa ubralo amba-vi, me vityodi, es aris faSiz-mis umaRlesi done. pirda-pir Sedian saxlebSi da eub-nebian _ Svils dagiWer, mo-giklav, Tu ar dagviWermxars da a.S. magram me imedimaqvs da yvelaze metad mindaaxla es _ realobam molo-dins gadaaWarbos, movidesZalian bevri xalxi. aravisar unda SeeSindes Tundacroland axalaiasi, sircxvi-lia, roca am adamianis kan-didaturas sTavazoben as-arCevad zugdidis mosaxle-obas, Tan upirispirebenirakli alasanias, araa esnormaluri situacia.
me zugdidis aqciaze aucileblad wa-
val, SevuerTdebi megrelebis protests
Zaladobis da usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg.
unda gavimarjvoT, sxva gza ar aris!
iranda kalandaZe
samegrelom unda Tqvas yvelaze Tamami sityva...
mimarTva zugdidelebs
3#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
dRes aq, patara kaxis
sataxto qalaqSi, gansa-
kuTrebuli simZafriT
vgrZnobT kaxeli kacis
gautexel Zalasa da su-
lier simtkices, romel-
mac ara erTxel ixsna
qarTlkaxeTica da mTeli
saqarTveloc sruli fi-
zikuri da sulieri ga-
nadgurebisagan.
swored kaxel kacs,
baxtrionis gmirs, saqarT-
velos umamaces mxedars,
biZina ColoyaSvils ekuT-
vnis STamomavlobisaTvis
anderZad danatovari sity-
vebi:
„...Zmebo, nu SevSindebiT,
rameTu sikvdili uneblieT
dabadebidanve Tan gvax-
lavs... da raki unda movkv-
deT, barem movkvdeT qris-
tesTvis da saqarTvelosT-
vis“.
me erTxel gamovTqvi
Cemi mosazreba erTerT
xidTan dakavSirebiT.
es sakaSvilma xelze da-
ixvia da braldebebi moayo-
la, rom me damangreveli
var, TviTon ki aRmSenebe-
li. wlebis ganmavlobaSi
imaze vzrunavdi, rom Cemi
qveynis aRmSeneblobaSi mi-
meRo monawileoba. da amaSi
araferia gansakuTrebuli,
radgan am qveynis Svili
var da es Cems movaleobad
mimaCnda da mimiCnia.
rac mikeTebia, yvelafe-
ri Tavad miiweres, yvela-
feri, da axla gamoRma me-
davebian, damangreveli xa-
ro.
roca rames akeTeb, rac
SeiZleba Cumad unda akeTo,
uxmaurod.
qveynis prezidenti Ta-vis xalxs ganadgurebiT ar
emuqreba, kriminals da
mters ar uwodebs, es ar
xdeba arc erT civilize-
bul qveyanaSi.
es unda damTavrdes!
Tavisi Zalauflebis Se-
sanarCuneblad, saakaSvili
cdilobs, orad gahyos
xalxi da samkvdro-sasi-
cocxlod gadahkidos erT-
maneTs. amgvari saSineli
dapirispirebis umwaresi
gakveTili oci wlis win
miiRo Cvenma xalxma, rome-
lic, mjera, imdenad dabr-
Zenebulia, rom ukve msgav-
si aRaraferi moxdeba.
yvelam TvalnaTliv dai-
naxa, rom arc erTi xeli-
sufleba da politikuri
lideri ar Rirs imad, rom
misma momxreebma da mowina-
aRmdegeebma erTmaneTi sa-
sikvdilod gaimeton. ami-
tom saakaSvili, ramdensac
unda ecados, ver gaxleCs
Cvens xalxs.
cotac gauZeliT, xal-
xo, erTi Tvec aRar darCa
arCevnebamde, da gpirdebiT,
rom momavali rTveli sxva-
nairi iqneba.
me gamovnaxe kanonie-
ri gza dazaralebulTa
daxmarebisTvis da is 80-
milioniani jarima, rome-
lic saxelmwifom ukano-
nod damakisra, gadavricxe
stiqiis Sedegad dazarale-
buli mosaxleobis dasaxma-
reblad da es fuli auci-
leblad da uklebliv unda
moxmareboda xalxs!
xom xedavT Tqvenc, rom
es Tanxac ar movida Tqve-
namde, radgan xelisufle-
bam isev sakuTari miznebis-
Tvis sxvadasxva regionSi
gadaanawila. arada es 80
milioni imis saSulebas
iZleoda, rom TiToeul
ojaxs kompensaciis saxiT
sul cota 4 aTas 700 la-
ri mieRo!
axla medavebian, Ti-
Tqos maswvaleblebs vemuq-
rebi da vaSineb. ar daije-
roT, xalxo, piriqiT, Cem-
ze meti qomagi aravin geyo-
lebaT, icodeT!
me mxolod imas vambob,
rom dRes yvelaze uuflo-
bo da damcirebuli maswav-
leblebi arian. dRes xeli-
sufleba maTgan srul mor-
Ciebas da msaxurebas mo-
iTxovs, maswavleblis uf-
rosia yvela - ministri,
direqtori, mandaturi,
xSirad mSobelic ki.
maswavleblis avtori-
teti mTlianad dakninebu-
lia. maswavleblebo, qeds
vixri Tqven winaSe!
visac gindaT, rom
Cveni Svilebi karg ganaT-
lebas ewafebodnen, kargi
da iafi saxelmZRvaneloe-
biT swavlobdnen, modiT
arCevnebze da xma mogveciT
Cven, „qarTul ocnebas“!
visac gindaT, rom Tqve-
ni da Tqveni axloblebis
janmrTeloba saxelmwifom
daazRvios, arc wamali eZ-
virebodes da arc karg sa-
avadmyofoSi mkurnaloba,
modiT da airCieT „qarTu-
li ocneba“ da misi maJori-
tarobis kandidati.
maT ki, vinc nacionalur
moZraobas Semoxazavs ma-
inc, icodnen, rom rodesac
Cven movalT xelisufleba-
Si, maT aravin gauxsenebs
aseT arCevans, da yoveli
sikeTiT, rasac saqarTve-
los aRmSenebloba moi-
tans, isinic iseve isargeb-
leben, rogorc yvela da-
narCeni.
Cven bolos movuRebT
xalxis dayofas xelisuf-
lebis momxreebad da mowi-
naaRmdegebad, amas gpirde-
biT!
Cemo TanamebrZolebo!qudze kaci unda gamovi-
des!
Cven unda vibrZoloT
sakuTari momavlisTvis,
Cveni Svilebis momavlisT-
vis!
Cveni samSoblosTvis!
Cveni saqarTvelosTvis!
Cven iseT qveyanas avaSe-
nebT, sadac veRaravin waar-
Tmevs xalxs Tavis arCe-
vans!
Cven Rirsebas davubru-
nebT Cvens qveyanas!
Cven Rirsebas davubru-
nebT da gavaerTianebT Cvens
xalxs!
Cveni qveyana Tavs daaR-
wevs gaWirvebas!
Cven iseT qveyanas avaSe-
nebT, sadac aRaravis das-
Wirdeba lukmapuris saSov-
nelad samSoblodan gadax-
vewa.
saqarTveloSi daculi
iqneba adamianis yvela uf-
leba, azrisa da sityvis
Tavisufleba;
sasamarTlo iqneba sa-
marTliani, media - damou-
kidebeli, biznesi -xxelSeu-
xebeli!
iseT qveyanas avaSenebT,
sadac Cvens saamayo jaris-
kacebsa da policielebs
miecemaT imis SesaZleblo-
ba, rom Rirseulad emsaxu-
ron saxelmwifos da ara
romelime xelisufals!
Tavisufal saqarTvelo-
Si Tavisufali xalxi
icxovrebs, romelsac aRar
eqneba politikuri devnis
SiSi!
me amas gpirdebiT!
fragmentebi biZina ivaniSvilisgamosvlis teqstidan
9 seqtembris aqciaze, TelavSi
4 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
luis navarom aiCema, bi-
Zina ivaniSvilma 2 oqtom-
bers xalxs saprotesto ga-
mosvlebisken mouwodao.
ar uTqvams es biZina iva-
niSvils, man Tqva, Tu ar-
Cevnebi gayalbdeba, 2 oq-
tombers `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ mxardamWerebi quCaSi
gamovalT, rom dagvTvalon,
Tu ramdeni varT sinamdvi-
leSio.
vimeoreb, ar uxsenebia
ivaniSvils sityva protes-
ti, Tumca romc exsenebina,
ra, qarTvel xalxs, Tu mas
arCevnebs uyalbeben da mis
Rirsebas fexqveS Telaven,
protestis gamoxatvis uf-
leba ara aqvs?
frangebs, berZn-ebs, italielebs,arabebs, qurTebs,
ingliselebs ufl-eba aqvT protestigamoTqvan ki ara,Tavze daamxon yve-laferi TavianTuRirs xelisufle-bebs, qarTvelebs kierTi uwyinari, mSv-idobiani protes-tis uflebac ar hq-oniaT Turme.
ratom, Zmao, risi gu-
lisTvis, Torem ki...
vis ra dauSavdeba Cveni
protestiT _ SeiZleba erTi
_ miSa wadi! daviZaxoT da
sanam is wasvlas moifiqrebs,
Cven TviTon wavalT saxlSi.
oTxi Tu xuTi welia
sul vaprotestebT da vap-
rotestebT, magram vis ra
ziani miadga amiT, vis ra
gaufuWda?
protestis uf-leba, gavigeT, romar gvaqvs, magramimis ufleba maincTu gvaqvs, dagvTva-lon?
_ ra dagTvalon, kaco,
Tqven xom ar SeiSaleT,
rom dagTvalon, quCaSi xom
unda gamoxvideT, quCaSi ga-
mosvla ki ukve protestia,
_ gadairia navaro.
e.i. quCaSi gamosvlis
uflebac ar gvaqvs, navaro?
ra varo, ra Tqvaam navarom?
ra varo da sazo-gadoebrivi azriskvleva var da ga-m o k v l ev e bu l e b svumtkiceb, rom me-rabiSvils ufromaRali reitingiaqvs, vidre ivaniS-vils da es Cemi ga-mokvleva arCevneb-Si Tu SesabamisprocentebSi aisa-xeba, ar gaikvirvo-To.
gakvirvebiT ki gaikvir-
veT, Tu gindaT, magram qu-
CaSi gamosvla da, miTume-
tes, protestis gamoTqma
ar gabedoTo, _`Cagvinamio-
ka~ navarom.
TiTqmis igive gviTxra
megobris (saakaSvilis) sa-
naxavad Camosulma makkein-
mac, oRond ufro rTulad
da CaxlarTulad _ ar iq-
neba kargi arCevnebis Semdeg
dapirispireba xangrZliv
davaSi gadaizardos... damar-
cxebasTan Segueba unda vis-
wavloTo, _ dagvariga.
gayalbebasTan Segueba
unda viswavloTo, geTqvaT,
barem, mister jon...
* * *
rogorc irkveva, qarTve-
lebs quCaSi gamosvlis uf-
leba da amasTan erTad pro-
testis uflebac CamogvarT-
ves.
xelisufleba Rv-Tisaao, _ gvaswav-lis biblia, magram,veWvob, am frazaSiis xelisufleba ig-ulisxmebodes, ro-melic navaroebis,maWavarianebis, go-goriSvilebis, Ta-rxniSvilebis, ia-kobaSvilebis miergayalbebuli arCe-vnebis wyalobiTgaxda xelisufle-ba.
_ diqtaturis winaaRm-
deg ajanyeba RvTis morCi-
lebao, _ gvimtkicebs Tomas
jefersoni.
jefersoni wesieri kaci
iyo da tyuils ar ityo-
da...
rasmuseni Camovida
da avRaneTSi sabr-
Zolvelad qarTveli
biWebi cxvris farasa-
viT waasxa, samagie-
rod, imediani sity-
vebi dagvitova: _
Tqven sul ufro da
ufro uaxlovdebiT
natos... axla ise ax-
los xarT, ise ax-
los xarT, aqamde
arasodes rom ar yo-
filxarTo.
me mgoni, eseni
gvabiTureben, Cven
kidev azrze ar
varT...
nato qimerad da moC-venebad iqca _ Cven vuax-lovdebiT, vuaxlovde-biT, vuaxlovdebiT, is kisul ufro da ufrogvSordeba...
_ ai, axla am oqtombris ar-
Cevnebs samarTlianad rom Caata-
rebT, CaTvaleT, rom TiTqmis na-
toSi xarTo, _ gviTxres.
ar apirebs saakaSvili am ar-
Cevnebis samarTlia-
nad Catarebas _ ar
unda am kacs natoSi
da Zalaa?
iseTi fo-kusebis kori-antels daaye-neben `nacebi~oqtomberSi,erTi oci we-li natos ka-
rebTan axlosacar migvikareben,
samagierod, msofli-
os sxvadasxva cxel
wertilebSi qarTvelTa
aqtiur monawileobaze
didsulovnad dagvTanxm-
debian.
Cven natoSi Sesvlisufleba ar gvaqvs, ToremnatosTvis sikvdilisufleba vin wagvarTva?
avRaneTidan natos qveynebi ga-
modian, Cven kidev ufro gaZlie-
rebuli kontingentiT vrCebiT.
saerTod, mTeli Crdilo-at-
lantikuri aliansi
rom gamovides avRane-
Tidan, Cven mainc davr-
CebiT.
davrCebiT damovkvdebiT na-tos saxeliT.
sakuTar omSi sikv-
dili gvezareba, Torem
sxvis omSi sikvdili
TamaSad da gviCans mRe-
rad.
ase iyo odiTganve,
asea axlac da ase iqne-
ba, albaT, momavalSic...
protestis ufleba, gavigeT, rom ar gvaqvs, magramimis ufleba mainc Tu gvaqvs, rom dagvTvalon?
rasmusenma dagvibara...
luis navaros gamokvlevebi
gamokvlevebulTaTvis
5saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
gasuli kviris SabaTs ga-
marTulma `nacionaluri moZ-
raobis~ yrilobam Tu yrilo-
bebma sabWoTa periodis dRe-
saswaulebi gamaxsena, roca 1
maiss Tu 7 noembers qalaqeb-
sa Tu soflebSi mSromelTa
kolonebi gamoefinebodnen da
wiTeli almebis frialiT
esalmebodnen tribunebze Se-
moskupebul partiul didka-
cobas.
garegnulad TiTqos yvela-
feri rigze iyo _ adamianebs
bednieri, gacinebuli saxeebi
hqondaT, skandirebiTac xma-
Sewyobilad skandirebdnen,
plakatebzec kompartiis sadi-
debeli sityvebi ewera, quxda
mxne, optimisturi musika, mag-
ram mTeli ubedureba is iyo,
rom yvelafer amas siyalbis
da xelovnurobis elferi
dahkravda.
saqme imaSia, rom am adami-
anebis umravlesoba Zalad, sa-
valdebulo wesiT iyo quCaSi
gamorekili da mTeli es dRe-
saswauli Tavidan bolomde
dadgmuli iyo, rogorc gran-
diozuli speqtakli.
rogorc dRes saakaSvili
da `nacmoZraoba~ avaldebu-
lebs Tavis rwmunebulebs, gam-
geblebs, skolis direqto-
rebs, sabiujeto organizacie-
bis xelmZRvanelebs gamoiyva-
non adamianebi ama Tu im Ro-
nisZiebebze, zustad ase aval-
debulebdnen komunistebi Ta-
vianT partiul qveSevrdomebs,
fabrika-qarxnebis direqto-
rebs, kolmeurneobebis Tavmj-
domareebs, umaRlesi saswav-
leblebis, skolebis xelmZR-
vanelebs organizeba gaekeTebi-
naT da uzrunvelyoT adamian-
Ta asprocentiani daswreba.
marTalia, mixeil saakaSvi-
li sxvebs ukiJinebs, warsul-
Si undaT dagvabrunono, mag-
ram sinamdvileSi swored saa-
kaSvili gvabrunebs warsulSi,
ufro zustad ki ar gvabru-
nebs, ukve dagvabruna komunis-
tur epoqaSi.
faqtobrivad, es erTi-erT-
Si imeorebs komunisturi
mmarTvelobis stils da im pi-
arteqnologiebs, romelTac
komunistebi cdilobdnen ada-
mianebisTvis tvinebis gamo-
recxvas da dazombirebas.
mixeil saakaSviliTavisi bunebiT, Tavi-si xasiaTiT da fsiqi-kiT Zalian hgavs ga-suli saukunis 30-ianiwlebis bolSevikebs_ maTsaviT isic mzadaris gaanadguros
oponentebi, daamci-ros, daakninos yve-la, visac misgan gans-xvavebuli azrebi daSexedulebebi aqvs, pi-rad mtrad aRiqvasyvela, vinc mas monu-rad qeds ar uxris.
isic, 30-iani wlebis bol-
SevikebiviT, axali tipis ada-
mianis Seqmnas cdilobs (gaix-
seneT lisenkos cnobili
sityvebi: `me ar davbadebul-
var adamianad, me adamianad
partiam Semqmna~).
nebismieri saSualo inte-
leqtis fsiqologi damidas-
turebs, rom adamianebi erTma-
neTisgan mkveTrad gansxvavebu-
li zniT da xasiaTiT ibadebi-
an da am genetikuri kodis
Secvla arc aRzrdas SeuZlia,
arc ganaTlebas.
saakaSvilis tra-gedia is aris, rom isdabadebiT ar arisdemokrati.
demokratobac Ta-ndayolili RvTiTnaboZebi niWia, demok-ratebad ibadebian,ise rogorc ibadebi-an musikosebad, mxat-vrebad, poetebad...
despotebad da diqtatore-
badac ibadebian, ise rogorc
ibadebian mkvlelebad, klep-
tomanebad, sadistebad, sado-
mazoxistebad, avazakebad, ka-
rieristebad, egoistebad.
mixeil saakaSvili tragi-
kuli pirovnebaa _ mas unda
ecxovra bolSevikur saqarT-
veloSi, tyavis Savi palto
unda cmoda da xelSi mauzeri
unda sWeroda, mas ki bedis
ironiiT, demokratiul saqar-
TveloSi mouwia cxovrebam da
moRvaweobam.
mixeil saakaSvilidemokratiiT datan-juli kacia, radganis iZulebulia xanda-xan mainc moiqces ise,TiTqos demokratiiyos da akeTos is, ri-si gakeTebac mis Sina-gan bunebas radika-lurad ewinaaRmdege-ba.
mas ukiduresad sZuls de-
mokratiuli Rirebulebebi,
sZuls is demokratiuli ins-
titutebi da is pirovnebebic,
romlebic mas demokratiisken,
Semwynareblobis da loialu-
robisken mouwodeben.
misi politikuri karie-
risTvis aucilebeli rom ar
iyos, is siamovnebiT gaanadgu-
rebda yvelas da yvelafers,
rac mis Zalauflebas ewinaaR-
mdegeba da, misi azriT, safr-
Txes uqmnis.
is demokratobanas Tama-
Sobs da amiT itanjeba, wva-
lobs, iTrguneba, Tumca xSi-
rad TamaSs Tavs anebebs da, ai,
maSin warsdgeba xolme Tavisi
namdvili saxiT, saxiT, rome-
lic pirquSi, sastiki, Suris-
maZiebeli da daundobelia.
roca demokratiiT taki-
masxroba bezrdeba, niRabs ix-
dis da mobezrebuli rolis-
gan Tavisufldeba, is TiTqos
garegnuladac sxvanairi xdeba
_ sxva dros moSvebuli misi
dondlo torsi energiiT
imuxteba, xmaSi foladi gamo-
ereva da is raRaciT emsgavse-
ba yumbaras, romelic sadacaa
gamosxlteba lulidan da mi-
zanSi amoRebuli msxverplis
gasanadgureblad gaeSureba.
saakaSvilisTvis samyaro
Sav-TeTria. adamianebic da
adamianebTan urTierTobac
Sav-TeTr ferebSi aqvs gadawy-
vetili _ Savia yvela, vinc
mis oponentobas bedavs, TeT-
ri _ vinc monurad Sescici-
nebs TvalebSi.
is, rogorc Cans, ukve da-
iRala demokratiiT da bolo
xanebSi demokratiis mSeneb-
lobaze cotas laparakobs, sa-
magierod, Zalian bevrs saub-
robs ama Tu im obieqtis, sax-
lebis, xidebis, qalaqebis mSe-
neblobebze, riTac TiTqos de-
mokratiis deficitis kompen-
sacias cdilobs.
_ ra dros omia,demokratia maqvs as-aSenebelio, ki ar am-bobs, _ ra dros omia,lazika maqvs asaSene-belio, _ iZaxis.
mas hgonia, rom la-zikis, an sxva romeli-me obieqtis aSenebiTgadafaravs da gadas-wonis qveyanaSi de-mokratiuli insti-tutebis ararsebo-bas.
obieqtebis mSeneblobas is
saxelmwifos mSeneblobasTan
aigivebs, rac absoluturad
mcdari da yovlad
ususuri demagogiaa.
_ Cven ar gvinda
warsulSi dabruneba,
Cven, win, momavlisken
unda viaroT. win, sa-
qarTvelo! _ ambobs sa-
akaSvili, Tumca man ar
icis gza winisken, anu
momavlisken, rogorc
ar icodnen es misma
sulierma winaprebma,
komunistebma, romleb-
sac sul Âïåðåä eke-
raT pirze, magram aR-
moCnda, rom es Âïåðåäufskruli iyo.
roca warsulze
laparakobs, saakaSvili
ver xvdeba da ver acnobie-
rebs, rom Tavad aris warsu-
li Tavad aris guSindeli
dRe, miuxedavad misi axalgaz-
rduli asakisa.
(unda iTqvas, rom asaki sa-
erTod arafer SuaSi ar aris
imis gansasazRvrad, vin ras
warmoadgens, vin ra faseulo-
bebs emsaxureba da vin azrov-
nebs ufro progresulad).
usamarTlo da uargumento
mgonia saakaSvilis mimarT say-
veduri, Tu ratom ver aSenebs
igi demokratias?
es igivea, adamians, romel-
sac xatvis niWi ar aqvs, vu-
sayveduroT, ratom ar SeuZ-
lia maRalmxatvruli nawar-
moebi Seqmnas.
es igivea, adamians, romel-
sac musikaluri smena ar aqvs,
simfoniis an operis dawera
davavaloT da roca is am da-
valebas ver Seasrulebs, say-
vedurebiT avavsoT.
ar aqvs mixeil saakaSvils
demokratobis niWi da ra
hqnas?
risi niWic aqvs,rac gangebam uboZa imniWs is SesaniSnavadiyenebs, magram demok-rati verasodes gax-deba da ramdenic arunda wvrTnan ucxo-elma maswavleblebmaam saqmidan araferigamova.
jer kidev rodis Tqva po-
etma: `magram marto wvrTna
ras uzams, Tu bunebam ar uS-
vela~.
is ubedurobani, rac saa-
kaSvilma daatriala, ar aris
mxolod misi brali, es im sa-
zogadoebis bralia, romelmac
demokratiis mSeneblad iseTi
kaci airCia, romlisTvisac de-
mokratiuli Rirebulebebi Ta-
vidanve miuRebeli da ucxo
iyo.
saakaSvili TavisibunebiT, Tavisi Sina-gani wyobiT, TavisifsiqikiT, stalinis
uniWo mibaZvaa, amit-omac eCveneba mas biZi-na ivaniSvili tr-ockad, xolo misi ga-remocva zinoviev-ka-menevis dajgufebad.
mixeil saakaSvili misi
SecdomebiT savse cxrawliani
moRvaweobis Semdeg, Zalianac
rom undodes, demokratias ver
aaSenebs, radgan es iqneba
umkacresi ganaCeni misTvis.
saakaSvilma rom dRes
demokratia aaSenos, es igivea
xarakiri gaikeTos.
saakaSvili demokratiiT
datanjuli kacia.
saakaSvilisTvisdemokratia bedi md-evaria, romelic ad-re Tu gvian aucile-blad wamoeweva dayvelaferze erTadmosTxovs pasuxs.
giorgigamezardaSvili
demokratiiT datanjuli
miSas imitom hgonia ivaniSvili trocki,
rom TviTon aris patara stalini
6 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
`̀ssaaeerrTToo ggaazzeeTTiiss~~ ssttuummaarriiaa
bbaattoonnii gogi TofaZe..
__ bbaattoonnoo ggooggii,, NDI-iiss ssoo-cciioollooggiiuurrii kkvvlleevveebbiiss bboolloo
SSeeddeeggeebbzzee ssaauubbrriiTT rroomm aarr ddaa-
vviiwwyyoo,, uubbrraalloodd,, wwaarrmmoouuddggeennee-
lliiaa __ rraass iittyyvviiTT,, TTqqvveenncc nnaa-
wwiilloobbrriivv eeTTaannxxmmeebbiiTT ddaaddeebbuull
SSeeddeeggeebbss??
_ unda giTxraT, rom me
arc erT kvlevas ar vaqcev yu-
radrebas, radgan imTavidanve
vici, rom es kvlevebi gamiznu-
lad tardeba da sazogadoebis
dezorientaciazea gaTvlili _
ar minda amaze saubari... me ra-
sac 1995 wlidan vuyureb, im
process arCevnebs ver davarq-
mev _ iyo Zaladoba, tomrebiT
iyreboda xmebi, 1999-Sic ase
iyo, mere ufro daxvewes teq-
nologiebi _ mrCevelebi bevri
hyavT da daiwyes egzitpolebi,
siebis damaxinjeba, `karusele-
bi~ da kidev vin icis, ramdeni
ram arsebobs, magram rogor
davujeroT im xalxs, romelic
1995 wlidan aq iyo, eswrebo-
da arCevnebs da ver dainaxa
verc erTi darRveva!
__ aammaazzee mmiiggaanniiSSnneebbddiiTT,, ppaa-
ttiivvcceemmuullii `̀mmkkvvlleevvaarreebbii~~ ddaa
ddaammkkvviirrvveebblleebbii TTvviiTToonn xxoomm aarr
aarriiaann `̀ddaassaakkvviirrvveebblleebbii~~ ddaa TTaann
ssaaffuuZZvvlliiaannaadd ddaassaakkvviirrvveebblleebbii??
`̀aarrCCeevvnneebbii CCaattaarrddaa ddeemmookkrraattii-
uullaadd,, mmcciirree ddaarrRRvveevveebbiiTT~~ __ mmee
mmxxoolloodd aammggvvaarrii `̀ddaakkvviirrvveebbiiss
SSeeddeeggeebbii~~ mmaaxxssoovvss......
_ 1999 wlis arCevenebidan
erT faqts gavixseneb _ kaspSi
gvyavda erTi Zalian aqtiuri
aqtivisti qalbatoni komisia-
Si. damkvirvebeli iyo, ar max-
sovs, danieli iyo Tu belgie-
li qali, 8-is naxevarze sinaT-
le rom Caaqres da Semovidnen
tomrebiT, es patara qali, aq-
tivisti, rom gadaefara urnas
wivil-kiviliT, ver aaglijes
verafriT. atyda CoCqoli. sib-
neleSi, am Cxubsa da aliaqoT-
Si veRar gaarCies da am ucxo-
els moxvda muSti, saxis cali
mxare gvarianad Caulurjda.
mokled, xmebi Caiyara da dai-
wera daskvna, rom yvelaferi
normalurad Catarda, yovelg-
vari darRvevis gareSe. meore
dRes preskonferencia movawy-
veT da es qalic iq iyo. saidan
gaqvT saxeze es silurje-meT-
qi. raRacas davejaxeo. ki ar
daejaxe, gcemes Se usindiso,
ra fuli gaqvs aRebuli, rom
gagxeTqes cemiT da xels awer
daskvnas, rom yvelaferi kar-
gad Catarda, darRveva ar da-
fiqsirebula-meTqi...
ai, esaa damkvirveblebi!
1995 wlidan ramdeni arCevnebi
Catarda da nuTu verasdros
veravin dainaxa seriozuli
darRveva? _ amitom ar mwams
amaTi.
__ aamm oorriiooddee ddRRiiss wwiinn ssaaaa-
kkaaSSvviilliiss mmeeggoobbrreebbii,, ppaattiivvcceemmuu-
llii uuccxxooeellii ssttuummrreebbii,, xxaallxxiiss
aarrCCeevvaanniiss ppaattiivviissmmcceemmlleebbii rroomm
iiyyvvnneenn CCaammoossuulleebbii,, rrooggoorr ggggoo-
nniiaaTT,, mmaarrTTllaa xxaallxxiiss nneebbiiss
mmxxaarrddaassaaWWeerraadd CCaammoovviiddnneenn?? iiqq-
nneebb,, ppiirriiqqiiTT,, mmeeggoobbaarrii ggaaaammxxnnee-
vveess ddaa aammiittoommaacc ddaaggvviiggddeess
ssiittyyvvaa,, ddaammaarrccxxeebbuullmmaa RRiirrsseeuu-
llaadd uunnddaa mmiiiiRRooss xxaallxxiiss aarrCCee-
vvaanniioo......
_ axla situacia cota Se-
icvala da ratom iciT, Tvi-
Ton, es xelisufleba imdenad
aris diskreditebuli saerTa-
Soriso asparezze, imdenad ga-
igo yvelam, rom es yvelaferi
blefia, tyuilia, ra demokra-
tia, ris demokratia, rom maTi
ganwyoba Seicvala...
am xelisuflebam imdeni ra-
me akadra saqarTvelos mosax-
leobas, rom aRaraferi darCaT
saTqmeli, erTaderTi, rac
darCaT, esaa daSineba da tero-
ri, rasac vxvdebiT kidec
yvelgan.
iciT, ra aris yvelaze cu-
di da miuRebeli, nebismieri
wyobis mTavroba, simarTliT
iqneba Tu sicruiT, cdilobs
sakuTari xalxis gulis moge-
bas, cdilobs, moaCvenos, rom
maTze mzrunvelia _ am xeli-
suflebam esec dakarga, sru-
lebiT ar ainteresebs mosax-
leobis azri. am xelisuflebam
icis, rom amdeni motyuebis
Semdeg aRaravin daujerebs da
es Zalian saxifaToa – xeli-
sufleba, romelic aRar cdi-
lobs, rom Tavisi xalxis gu-
li moigos, totalitarizmidan
tiraniaSi gadadis, Zaladobis
nebismieri formiT ecdeba, rom
Tavi gadairCinos.
xalxisTvis Tavmowonebaze
vlaparakob da, rac amaT biZina
ivaniSvils gaukeTes, romel
CarCoSi jdeba, romel saxelm-
wifos SeiZleba rom Sevada-
roT amaTi qmedeba _ yvelafer-
ze midian, rom Tavi da is mi-
tacebuli Tanxebi gadairCinon,
romlebic ofSorebSi aqvT. maT
kargad ician, rom xalxi Tu
ar SeSindeba, pasuxs mosTxovs
yvela im danaSaulze, rac Cai-
dines, amitom, amaTgan yvelafe-
ria mosalodneli.
me minda vuTxra mosaxleo-
bas, rom tyuilad eSiniaT. ki,
undaT, rom hyavdeT daSinebu-
li da aSineben, magram arafris
Tavi aRar aqvT.
__ rraacc ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss ssWWiirrss,,
aarr ffiiqqrroobbTT,, rroomm ggaarreeddaann mmaarr-
TTuullii pprroocceessiiaa??
_ ra Tqma unda, damRupveli
mrCevelebis. soflis meurneo-
bas rom ase moeqcevi da raRac
7-8 %-ze laparakob, ukve aRar
xar am qveynis adamiani – es
socialuri problemaa da ara
7-8 procenti. saqarTveloSi
ormocdaaT procentze meti,
e.i saqarTvelos mosaxleobis
naxevarze meti soflad cxov-
robs, amden xalxs rom wirav,
genocidi ar aris? _ milion-
naxevari kacia wasuli saqarT-
velodan, is ZiriTadi Zala,
romelic produqcias qmnis. Sen
waarTvi am xalxs wyali, teq-
nika, miwa da bolos samSoblo,
sxva qveynebSi mosamsaxureebad
gaaqcie da damcirebul mdgoma-
reobaSi Caagde. ratom? imitom,
rom ase girCies mrCevelebma...
daacarieles soflebi da
mere, kidev, erTi damafiqrebe-
li momentia _ Cveni tradici-
ebi damyarebulia patriarqat-
ze, ojaxis keTildReoba iyo
yovelTvis misi mamoZravebeli
mizani, ai, amas klaven – ra
ojaxi unda iyos da ra mamaka-
cur siamayeze SeiZleba lapa-
raki, roca ojaxis deda wlo-
biT wasulia ucxoeTSi da iqi-
dan inaxavs qmar-Svils, vin
icis, ra moralurad da fizi-
kurad mZime SromiT – daingra
ukve qarTuli tradicia. es
yvelaferi gaTvlilili iyo da
ase dagvingries qveyana, gaaube-
dures saqarTvelos mosaxleo-
ba...
ra moxdeba da rogor mox-
deba, ar vici, magram ivaniSvi-
li mova, namdvilad mova!
amoiwura yvelanairad amaTi
xelisuflebaSi darCenis pers-
peqtiva. sul davdivar sofel-
sofel da vatyob _ SiSis sin-
dromi Zlieri iyo, magram am
aqciebma didi gavlena moaxdi-
na, modis xalxi da aRar eSi-
niaT.
iciT, rogor aris _ qarT-
veli kaci momTmeni kaci gamod-
ga, uZlebs, rom ojaxSi xan
xorci ar aqvs da xan xaWapu-
ri da sacivi, rac yovelTvis
hqonda, itans, magram imas ve-
Rar itans, sakuTari STamomav-
lobis uperspeqtivoba rom da-
inaxa. qarTveli kaci ojaxiT
cocxlobs da Svili Tu Svi-
liSvili an unda wavides aqe-
dan, an monobaSi unda iyos –
es dainaxa da ukve veRar Cer-
deba, ukve sakuTar Tavs adana-
Saulebs, rom sakuTari modgma
monobisTvis gawira da is mom-
Tmeni aRaraa... xalxis nawilSi
iciT, ra igrZnoba _ `kargi, nu
damaxrCob axla, me vici, saar-
Cevno urnasTan ras vizam...~
qarTvel kacs gonierebas
ver waarTmev, qarTvel kacs
rom gonebrivi potenciali
aqvs genetikurad, nu Seedrebi-
an viRac-viRacebi, rom traba-
xoben – es xalxi mixvda erT
rames, rom es biZina ar ityue-
ba, is fulis saSovnelad ar
Camosula saqarTveloSi. is 5
mlrd, romelic gadagdebuli
aqvT amaT, aq moitans, aqeT da-
xarjavs Tavisas. kargi gaTvla
gaakeTa erTma Cvenma megobarma,
yoveldRe rom 1 mln. dolari
xarjos, 18 weli eyofa da ra
unda undodes kacs, romelsac
yvelaferi aqvs?
me didi xania biZinas vicnob
da sanam politikaSi gamoCnde-
boda, bevri gvaqvs nalaparakevi
– sul gancdebSi iyo.
biZinas ojaxsac kargad
vicnob, Wuris Tavze rom moa-
tarebda xels mamamisi, aba, ro-
meli gavsinjoTo _ ubralo
glexis ojaxidan gamosuli ka-
cia biZina da uniWieresi kaci
gamodga, xom?
ramdenjerme SevuTvale ben-
duqiZeebs (mase vuwodeb magaT
yvelas erTad, viTom eqsperte-
bi rom arian soflis meurneo-
bis sakiTxebSi), modiT, dami-
jeqiT debatebSi-meTqi, magram
ar movidnen, kurdRlebi arian.
axla rom movida axali premi-
eri da daiwyo biZinas sityve-
bis gameoreba _ ra xalxi ari-
an, ra gundia aseTi, rom, ro-
ca sofels klavdnen, vinc Tavs
giqnevdaT, axla ki ambobs, so-
felio, ratom ar ekamaTebian,
ra sofelio?
es modis 1996 wlidan, va-
lavi iyo savaluto fondidan,
maSin daiwyo, rom saqarTvelo-
Si mevenaxeoba uperspeqtivo
ra moxdeba da rogor moxdeba, ar vici, magram ivaniSvili mova
xelisuflebaSi, namdvilad mova!
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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7#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
ariso ... ramdeni Cxubi mqon-
da...
iciT, ra aris yvelaze
sawyeni? SeiZleba, emsaxure-
bode raRac ideas, magram
rom ici, klav Seni qveynis
ekonomikas da nacvlad imis
aRiarebisa, rom SegeSala,
TuTiyuSiviT imeoreb, rad
gvinda sofeli, visa aqvs so-
felio. singapurs sada aqvs
miwa, kaco, erTi qalaqia
singapuri!
__ iiqqnneebb TTqqvveenn mmaaiinncc aammiixx-
ssnnaaTT,, rraa aaCCeemmeebbaaaa ssiinnggaappuurrii,,
ssiinnggaappuurrSSii ssiinnggaappuurreellii ssaann-
TTlliiTT aarriiss ssaaZZeebbaarrii ddaa aammaa-
SSii uunnddaa mmiivvbbaaZZooTT??
_ ra Tqma unda! mere, ro-
mel warmatebul qveyanas ar
aqvs soflis meurneoba _
amaze misaubria maTTan. erT-
ma Sveicaria momiyvna magali-
Tad, iqo, 5% aqvs soflis
meurneobaso. tyui-meTqi! Sen
rom angariSob rZe ramdeni
miiRo, im rZidan ramdeni ra-
mec gakeTda, 40%-ze metze
adis. Sveicaria sabanko qve-
yanaa, magram soflis meurne-
oba awyobili aqvT Zalian
Zlierad, Tavisi xili da
bostneuli aqvs, ratom Sei-
tans sxvisas _ aba, Cven rom
vakeTebT, egaa saqme?
__ kkaassppii aaqq ggvvqqoonnddeess ddaa
xxaaxxvvii ddaa nniioorrii eeggvviippttiiddaann
SSeemmooggvvqqoonnddeess??
_ ki, batono, egviptidan
SemoaqvT _ eseni arian qvey-
nis gamyidvelebi, amaT, am eq-
spertebs unda moeTxovos
pasuxi da maTTan erTad yve-
la im Jurnalists, milio-
nobiT xalxs rom atyueben.
Sen ici, rom sxva informa-
ciis wyaro raionSi ar aqvT,
gamodixar da atyueb? vin
aris es `imedi~, `rusTavi-
2~, `real-tv~ _ laparaki
ar aris Jurnalistur eTi-
kaze, adamianobazea laparaki
_ ar grcxvenia amas rom ake-
Teb? Cveni adaT-wesebi Rire-
bulia, rom garyveniT mTeli
saqarTvelos axalgazrdoba,
marto Tqven ar mogwonT? _
damRupvels rom laparakoben
da mainc jiutad imeoreben...
benduqiZe Tu wuxs saqar-
Tveloze, egec Zalian mdida-
ri kacia, oRond aqidan
gatanili fuliT gam-
didrda, biZinas rom
akritikeben, erTi
qvelmoqmedeba miTxran
ra gaukeTebiaT TviTon.
es kiTxva unda das-
vas xalxma _ benduqi-
Ze, Senc xom Zalian
mdidari xar, ivaniS-
vils araferi wauRia
saqarTvelodan, Sen ki,
aqedan gatacebuli fu-
liT vauCerebis speku-
laciiT gaxdi Zalian
mdidari kaci, rame va-
li ar gaqvs im qveynis
xalxis winaSe, vinc ga-
gamdidra? _ es amaT
yvelas exeba. ivaniSvils rom
akritikeb, raRac baza xom
unda gqondeT...
__ mmoorraalluurrii uufflleebbaa..
_ morali sada aqvT, ka-
co, qveyana gayides! aqamde
yvelgan iyvnen, `kavkasiazec~
gamodiodnen `maestrozec~ _
axla ratom aRar gamodi-
xarT, vanosi geSiniaT? aaa,
biZinasi ar geSiniaT? _ mo-
va biZina da mogeTxovebaT
pasuxi yvelaferze, rac Cai-
dineT saqarTveloSi!
__ bbiiZZiinnaass mmoossvvllaass aarrCCvvee-
nneebbii uuZZRRvviiss wwiinn,, aarrCCeevvnneebbii kkii
aammoommrrCCeevveelliiaa,, ssxxvvaass yyvveellaa-
ffeerrss TTaavvii rroomm ddaavvaanneebbooTT,, 11
110000 000000 kkaaccii uukkvvee mmiiwweerrii-
lliiaa ssiieebbSSii xxeelliissuufflleebbiiss
ssaassaarrggeebblloodd,, aannuu aarrCCeevveenneebbiiss
SSeeddeeggeebbii uukkvvee ggaayyaallbbeebbuulliiaa......
_ Tu biZina, es uWkviane-
si kaci iseTi miamiti ggoni-
aT, rom yuradRebas ar
aqcevs gayalbebis saSu-
alebebsa da meTodebs,
Zalian cdebiT. eseni
yaCaRoben _ eubnebian,
es kaci 12 wlis win
mokvdao da ara, mainc
Cawerilia siaSi... kar-
dakar xom iares, mivi-
ReT, rom Turme 3 600
000 amomrCeveli gvyavs
saqarTveloSi. amdeni
amomrCeveli ki ara, am-
deni mosaxleoba Tu
gvyavs? _ es erTi. meo-
re, ucxoeTSi ar dau-
toves xmis micemis San-
si, erTi, rom aralega-
ri xmas ver micems da
meore, damatebiTi sirTule-
ebi Seitanes da ratom _
ucxoeTSi gaqceuli milion-
ze meti saqarTvelos moqa-
laqe amaTi mowinaaRmdegea.
mere kidev, rogor SeiZleba,
rom cixeSi patimari da
probacioneri amaTi momxre
iyos, Tu najaxiT ar adganan
Tavze, (brladebulTa 70%
viciT, rom usafuZvlod
zis) an maTi ojaxis wevrebi
_ es yvelaferi daTvlilia
da amas analizi gaukeTdeba.
prevenciuli zomebi miRebu-
lia, nu ggoniaT, rom ase
miSvebulebi arian... ar aris
ase martivad saqme, mTeli
msoflio dadgeba fexze...
__ kkaarrggiiTT rraa,, rroommeellii
mmssoofflliioo,, mmxxoolloodd aaRRSSffooTTee-
bbaass ddaa SSeeSSffooTTeebbaass rroomm ggaa-
mmooTTqqvvaammss CCvveennss uubbeedduurreebbaazzee??
_ Cven saubari imiT da-
viwyeT, vendobi Tu ara amaT
gamokvlevebs da damkvirveb-
lebs _ ar vendobi, imitom,
rom maqvs praqtika, scemes
qali da kargad Catarda yve-
laferio, magram dRes aRar
dauWeren mxars. Zalian bev-
ri ucxoeli Camodis, Zalian
bevr ucxoelTan saubrobs
biZina da saubroben Cemi ko-
legebi – gaocebuli arian
ucxoelebi, aRar aris is
ganwyoba, rom es Suquraa
demokratiis... ki, roca iyv-
nen davalebiT, Tvals xuWav-
dnen bevr rameze, magram
aRar aris ase – ratom moc-
vivda yvela aq?
__ rreeaalluurr SSeeddeeggaammddee mmaa-
iinncc vveerr SSeemmaaccvvlleevviinneebbTT aazzrrss
__ xxeelliissuufflleebbiiss ggaassaammxxnneevveebb-
llaadd..
msoflio akvirdeba am
arCevnebs – faqtebs davu-
debT win, rom gayalbebulia.
manamde 29-Si gamovalT...
yvela saarCevno ubanTan
xalxi idgeba. iq iqnebian ara
mxolod komisiis wevrebi,
damkvirveblebi, aramed 4-5
adamiani, Cven magas vTxou-
lobT, romelic dawers ram-
deni kaci Sevida. 200 kaci
rom Sevida, 1200 iyoo, ver
dawers...
xalxma unda icodes, rom
bevr rames veRar gabedaven
da tyuian, roca amboben,
Cven ukve mogebuli gvaqvso.
amas imitom acxadeben, rom
xalxi SeSindes, xelisuf-
lebaSi isev eseni rCebiano _
ar aris ase da daijereT!
axla imis realuri Sansi
gagviCnda, rom SegviZlia
Cveni qveyana, Cveni Svilebi
da SviliSvilebi gadavarCi-
noT da mere, SeiZleba, es
Sansi aRar iyos, gadaaylape-
ben eseni da gadagvylapaven
kidec es didi saxelmwifoe-
bi Tavis interesebiT. Sansi
gagviCnda, rom iseTi kaci
gvyavdes xelmZRvanelad, ro-
melic xalxs eyvareba, aTas
sikeTes gaakeTebs, marTla
amogvwevs am Waobidan, davad-
gebiT im gzas, romelic sa-
qarTvelos arnaxuli rene-
sansisken wagviyvans. or-sam
welSi saqarTvelos veRar
icnobT _ vici misi gegmebi.
__ rruusseeTTiiss ffaaqqttoorrzzee rraass
iittyyvviiTT..
_ ruseTisTvis saqarTve-
los dakargva Zalian prob-
lematuri gaxdeba. upirve-
lesad is vTqvaT, rom ruse-
Ti yovelTvis dampyrobeli
qveyana iyo da aseTad rCeba
dRemde miwebis mitacebis
didostatad, ager kuriliis
kunZulebs 50 welia ar
Tmobs, avadmyofoba aqvs ase-
Ti, magram daTmobs Cvens te-
ritoriebs, amis yvela mona-
cemi arsebobs...
__ aarr vviiccii,, rraass gguulliissxx-
mmoobbTT,, mmaaggrraamm mmeezzoobbeell qqvveeyyaa-
nnaassTTaann rroomm nnoorrmmaalluurrii ddiipp-
lloommaattiiuurrii uurrTTiieerrTToobbaa uunn-
ddaa ggvvqqoonnddeess,, eess uuddaavvooaa......
_ meorec, vTqvaT, ekono-
mikis mxriv, aseTi istorie-
biT ras mivaRwevT?
__ eerrTTii rraamm aaxxsseenniiTT,, rraacc
rraamm hhqqoonnddaa ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss,,
vvgguulliissxxmmoobb ssttrraatteeggiiuull
oobbiieeqqtteebbss,, yyvveellaaffeerrii rruusseeTT-
zzeeaa ggaaddaacceemmuullii ddaa rraattoommRRaaaa
SSeerraaccxxuullii mmttrraadd??
_ amaTTvis, Cemo kargo,
sul erTia, vin iqneba da ras
mihyidis, vinc mets miscems,
yvelafers imas mihyidis. aq-
vea, mezoblad, ruseTma dai-
naxa amaTi es sisuste da
dro ixelTa. eseni rom xe-
lisuflebaSi darCnen, kidev
bevr rames mihyidis... ruse-
TisTvis gadacemuli Zalian
bevri obieqtis gamosyidvas
da saqarTvelosTvis datove-
bas apirebs biZina.
__ rrkkiinniiggzzaa ddaa ggaazzssaaddeennii-
RRaa ddaaggvvrrCCaa,, ssxxvvaa rraaRRaa ddaaggvv-
rrCCaa rruusseeTTiissTTvviiss ssaaiinntteerree-
ssoo......
_ dagvrCa, Zalian didi
resursi dagvrCa. wyali! _
wyali ar unda gaiyidos! 5-6
wlis Semdeg navTobze gaci-
lebiT Zviri iqneba wyali...
mag Temaze bevria salaparako
_ Cven xom arc is viciT ra
da rogor gaiyida – engur-
hesis SeTanxmeba viciT, hese-
bi rom Sendeba, SeTanxmebis
pirobebi viciT? _ ar aris
sajaro, magram es yvelaferi
gamoaSkaravdeba da movTxovT
pasuxs, amitom arian dafeTe-
bulni.
__ kkuuTTxxeeSSii mmiimmwwyyvvddeeuullii
aaggrreessiiuullii aaddaammiiaannii ggaacciillee-
bbiiTT aaggrreessiiuullii xxddeebbaa......
_ Sedegi? ra miiRes ax-
lo aRmosavleTSi – es axla
xmaurobs, Torem mSiSaraa,
msoflios aqvs nanaxi misi
samarcxvino kadrebi. arCevne-
bamde boboqroben, rom xalxi
daSindes, Torem arafris Ta-
vi aRar aqvT, miT ufro imis,
rom msoflios daupirispir-
dnen...
maia WeliZe
8 welia xelisuflebaSi rom
xar da ase 500, 700 an 600 (mi-
Sam daawyo ase) aTasi adamianis
mets rom ver miiyvan (gamoiyvan)
aqciaze, aSkarad wagebuli gaqvs... ratom?
6 Tvis CanasaxSi myof partias 200 -250
aTasi adamiani ar unda gamoyavdes Sen rom
kargi iyo da imitooom... gaigeviT?
ise.. am beCavma (gnebavT, bedSavma)
,rogor yvelaferi biZinaCemisgan
gadaiRo, maisurebi, es qalaqebSi
Sexvedrebi... magram naZaladevis
da SaSinebulis.... ojaxTan Caxuteba mere?
:)) erTi bavSvebs ver gaarepina da beraze
daiboRma :))) amxela oylayi baRanaze rom
daiboRmeba!!!!!!!!!!!! gana marto garepvis una-
ri da niWi, beras dedac Surs, mamac, oja-
xic da yvelaferi, rac mag bedSavs bavS-
vobaSic ar hqonia!
aq viRaceebs marTla hgonia, rom
dRes, xalxi, nebayoflobiT mivi-
da nacmos yrilobaze, Tu Tavs
iStereben? ui, quTaisSi “ocne-
baze” meti ver Sekriba.
visac aiZuleben mobiluriT ga-
daiRon Semoxazuli 5-ani. Semo-
xazeT 5-ani, gadauReT mobiliT,
mere gadaxazeT, gaafuWeT biu-
leteni. visac aiZuleben ukve gamzadebuli,
5-an Semoxazuli biuleteni Seitanon da
sanacvlod carieli gamoitanon. SegaqvT 5-
an Semoxazuli biuleteni, amave biule-
tens afuWebT da gamogaqvT carieli biu-
leteni.
quTaiselma megobarma damireka.
saswauli ambavi xdebodao. dav-
diodi im xalxSi da sanTliT
veZebdi quTaislebso. maSrutke-
biT Camoyvanilebi iyvnen yvelao. Semecod-
neno, mSivrebi, natanjebi da damorcxvebu-
lebi. mag SantaJists xmas rogor mivcem-
To.
dRes TbilisSi bevri xalxi
darboda maisurebiT ”me miyvars
saqarTvelo”.... Tqve dalocvile-
bo Tu ase giyvarT saqarTvelo,
ratom garbodiT 2008 wlis agvistoSi
Tbilisidan? an ratom gaiqeciT imitire-
buli qronikis Semdeg? suli ufro tkbi-
lia ara? arafers gsayvedurobT! magram nu
damimtkicebT, rom Cemze magrad giyvarT es
qveyana
yvela sakvanZo persona ucxoeTi-
Tan iyo Camosuli erTi konke-
tuli mowodebiT-arCevnebi Ca-
tardes samarTlianad, gviTxres,
rom es iqneba lakmusis testi, yrilobaze
kidev miSa misi gundianad xmamaRla acxa-
debs rom egRa aklia xelisufleba mumi-
ebs gadaabaros da rom ar dauSvebs xal-
xis gamosvlas da eqneba meti sargebeli
xalxs. hoda, sul ufro ikveTeba nacmos
ganzraxva arCevnebis totalurad gaprave-
bis, mere represiebis, im xalxis, vinc ga-
bedavs da gaaprotestebs, mokled siamov-
nebiT gaviRviZebdi noembris 1-Si ukeTesi
momavlis imediT
xalxis azriT
8 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ mkiTx-
vels emaxsovreba Cemi da Cemi
Zmobili qisti maxmad margoS-
vils saubrebi, pankisis xeoba-
Si momZlavrebuli vahabituri
moZraobebis Sesaxeb.
`vgrZnob, xeobaSi xelovnu-
rad Canergili vahabizmi, ara
mxolod Cven, pankisel qis-
tebs, aramed Cvens samezoblo-
Si mosaxle qarTvelebsac did
problemebs Seuqmnis, amitom
saerTo Wirs axlave Tu ar
mivxedeT, Semdeg gviani iqneba
da sisxlic daiRvrebao~-o Se-
modgomaa... saqarTvelos xeli-
sufleba da mosaxleoba erTd-
roulad imkis im codvebs, rac
pankisis xeobaSi 90-iani wle-
bis dros CaiTesa, e.i. grZel-
vadian SuRls, grZelvadian ga-
ugebrobas da aseve grZelvadi-
an sisxlian dapirispirebas. es
mxolod mcire nawilia im Ca-
moTvlili Wirisa, rasac 84
wlis uxucesi CemTan intervi-
uebSi cremlmoreuli aRniS-
navda da aha, Turme ra marTa-
li yofila?!
iqneb icis vinmem saqarTve-
los dedaqalaq TbilisSi, res-
publikur saavadmyofoSi ra
`damsaxurebebisTvis~ mkurna-
lobda saerTaSoriso tero-
risti doku umarovi, romelic
TviT `rusTavi-2~ ki daafiqsi-
ra Tavis videokameriT da
Cvenc gvaCvena?! metic, 2011
wlis 26 maiss, amerikis Seer-
Tebuli Statebis saxelmwifo
departamenti `kavkasiis ima-
rats~ teroristul organiza-
ciad rom acxadebs da aq, sa-
qarTveloSi, `imaratis~ araer-
Ti xelmZRvanelis, araerTi
mebrZolis uvneblad gadaadgi-
lebis momswre rom xdeba _ ar
aris logikuri, daisvas kiTx-
va _ saakaSvili ukanonod Sei-
araRebul jgufebad kavSirSi
xom ar aris da rogor xdeba
isic, rom amerikis viTomcda
mokavSire saqarTvelos xeli-
sufleba sinamdvileSi rusuli
gegmis nawilad iqca?
zustad 3 wlis win ruse-
Tis oficialurma warmomadge-
nelma `natoSi~ dimitri ro-
gozinma, CemTan interviuSi
gancvifreba ver damala saqar-
Tvelos xelisuflebis siTav-
xedeze imis gamo, rom saqarT-
velos xelisufleba aSkarad
da urcxvad TbilisSi saerTa-
Soriso terorist doku uma-
rovs mfarvelobda da misTvis
rusi samxedroebis mier nasro-
li tyviiT miyenebuli Wrilo-
bebis moSuSebaSi exmareboda!!!
igive interviuSi, dimitri ro-
gozini saqarTvelos xelisuf-
lebas afrTxilebda, rom ru-
seTisTvis cnobili iyo, saa-
kaSvilis keTilganwyobiT Seq-
mnili bandformirebebis Sesa-
xeb da metic, batoni rogozi-
ni, imasac ambobda, rom maTTvi-
sac cnobili iyo saqarTvelos
teritoriaze im `banakebis~
adgilmdebareoba, sadac `boe-
vikebi~ iwvrTnebodnen da bazi-
rebdnen!!!
raoden gasakviric ar unda
iyos, maSin igive informaciebs
flobdnen rigiTi pankiselebic
da rigiTi lafanyurelebic,
magram isini rogozinisgan gan-
sxvavebiT, ukanono formirebe-
bis kontrolSi, rogorc qar-
Tvel Zalovanebs, ise ruseTis
specsamsaxurebsac adanaSau-
lebdnen.
`saerTo gazeTis~ mkiTx-
vels kargad moexseneba, rom
kaxeli var da logikurad, sa-
qarTvelos am kuTxeSi ufro
meti nacnobi myavs, vidre sxva-
gan... vicnob glexsac, maswav-
lebelsac, eqimsac da im `na-
cebsac~, romelTac Sublis
ZarRvi jer bolomde ar gawy-
vetiaT. rogorc werilis da-
sawyisSive avRniSne, saukeTeso
urTierTobebi mqonda da maqvs,
ZirZvel qistebTan _ margoSvi-
lebTan, xangoSvilebTan, cixe-
saSvilebTan da a.S. hoda 18 ag-
vistos sisxliani movlenebis
Semdeg, rasakvirvelia, davu-
kavSirdi am adamianebs, wvri-
lad gamovkiTxe, ra moxda, ra
situacia iyo im xanad xeobaSi
da maTzec xom ar iyo zewola
_ Cumad yofiliyvnen?
Cems pirvel SekiTxvaze _
icodnen Tu ara, vin iyvnen
moklulebi? mipasuxes, rom _
icodnen! isec miTxres, rom es
biWebi ramdenime dRis win Ca-
movidnen, ufro sworad, Camo-
iyvanes.
vin Camoiyvana? _ SevekiTxe
me...
_ visTanac am wle-
bis ganmavlobaSi ur-
TierToba hqondaT, saq-
miani urTierToba!
xvdebi, xom?
micvalebulebi vinc
arian, yvela daasafla-
veT?
_ yvela ara, ar
gvaZleven!
_ ratom ar iZlevi-
an, xom ar uTqvamT? _
SevekiTxe me...
_ vinc gadmogvces,
isinic sul dacxrilulebi
arian, TiTqos daxvriteso, aki,
aCvenes, `spalnimeSokebSi~ iyv-
nen isev, eZinaT da daxvrites.
saceriviT aqvT tani. tyeSi,
Tanac brZolaSi, es gamo-
ricxulia... `imaT gviTxres,
didi ambavi da samZimrebi ar
gindaT, CumaT ubralod daa-
saflaveTo! ar gamova eg amba-
vi, ara... amaT saqoneli vgoni-
varT, pirutyvebi...
axla, axla ra viTarebaa
mand, siwynarea?
_ amas Tu siwynare hqvia...
axalgazrdebi dagvixvrites.
gveubnebian, xma ar amoiRoT
Torem, Tqvenc igive mogivaTo
da gvaxseneben im dros, roca
Cven udanaSaulo axalgazrdo-
ba aq pankisSi sakuTar ezoeb-
Si daxoces da aafeTqes. eee,
rac Cven gadavitaneT, ena ver
ityvis. ar SevarCenT arc pet-
res da arc danarCenebs am am-
bavs...
_ xalxi ras ambobs, qarT-
velebze Zalian gabrazebulebi
arian?
_ Cemo dao, xalxma ra da-
aSava, an qarTvelma da an qis-
tma? Cven ubralo xalxi mar-
to Wirisuflebad gvaqcia saa-
kaSvilmac da putinmac! aba,
Sexede qarTvel da qist mok-
lulebs, TiTqos erTi dedis
Svilebi ariano, iseTi lamaze-
bi, iseTi jiSianebi arian! ub-
ralo qarTvelebis mimarT ra
pretenziebi unda gvqondes?
ra, qarTvelma mSoblebma
icodnen da ician risTvis mo-
ukles Svilebi?
ratom iyvnen saceriviT
dacxriluli qisti da CeCeni
mebrZolebi? anda ras niSnavda
`rusTavi-2~-is naCvenebi is
kadrebi, romelSic naTlad
Cans, rom zogierTi `boeviki~
isev saZile tomaraSia da ara
romelime xesTan Casafrebul
mdgomareobaSi?
nuTu marTla miparviT da
muxanaTurad Cacxrila es
axalgazrdebi, Cvenma naqebma
specdaniSnulebis batalionma?
es Tu marTlac ase moxda _ ra
hqvia amas da ra gagrZeleba
SeiZleba mohyves yovelives, ar
unda gvafiqrebdes?
rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania
sazogadoebas ratom gvimalaven
im danarCeni `diversantebis~
vinaobas, visi gvamebic prozeq-
turaSi aqvT gamoketili da
imazec arafers gveubnebian, am-
Jamad modulis SenobaSi ram-
den `diversants~ urtyamen `a-
RiarebiTi Cvenebis~ miRebis
molodinio?
Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo! ucna-
urad ar geCvenebaT, rom uax-
lesi iaraRebiT aRWurvili
adamianebis jgufs karga xniT
adrec xedavdnen lafanyurele-
bi da pankiselebi? metic, isi-
ni ara mxolod aq mcxovreb
adamianebTan Sediodnen kontaq-
tSi, aramed ZalovanebTanac?
mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi
ratom ar aiyvanes mZevlebi maT
da roca viTom aiyvanes, fu-
li aCuqes, samxedro `baTin-
kic~ aCuqes da ise gamouSves?
ratom iZaxis erT-erTi
`mrevlis~ mezobeli kaci _ eg,
biWebi suyvela `nac.moZraobis
wevrebi~ arian da mZevladac
aravisa hyoliao?~
dameTanxmeT, rom ruseTis
xelisuflebis dumi-
li, CeCneTis xeli-
suflebis dumili, sa-
qarTvelos xelisuf-
lebisa da misi opozi-
ciis dumili `lafan-
yuris omis~ Sesaxeb
imaze met kiTxvas ba-
debs, vidre dasasme-
lia da vkiTxulob ki-
dec _ amjeradac, yve-
lam erTad, ruseTis
Canafiqrs, gegmebs xom
ar Seuwyo xeli Semd-
gomi moqmedebisTvis
da lopotidan `lopota~-s
(rusulad-gancxroma, netareba)
mdgomareobaSi xom ar Caagdo
kremlis mesveurebi `barambos~
kanfetebis TanxlebiT?
erTaderTi, rac am sisxlian
tragediaSi mkafiod gamoikveTa,
is aris, rom moklulia 14 ada-
miani, 3 qarTveli jariskaci da
11 e.w. diversanti, romelTa sis-
xlsac aravis SearCenen Crdi-
lokavkasielebi da romlebmac
swored amitom gamoucxades
`jihadi~ _saakaSvils, merabiS-
vils, axalaias da SaSkins.
Tanac, rogorc qistebi, ise
lafanyurelebi pirad saubreb-
Si Riad acxadeben, rom arafe-
ri ar damTavrebula, piriqiT
yvelaferi axla daiwyo da
verdiqti gamotaniliao. daak-
virdiT? 14 adamiani imsxverp-
la satanam, mariamoba dRes!
astrologiur cifrTa ga-
daangariSebiT ki, naxeT, ro-
gor gamodis?
14 es cifri aris 1-ianisa
da oTxianis erToblioba. jam-
Si ki 1+4 tolia 5-is da ne-
tav, vin arian am cifris mot-
rfialeebi?
diax, nacmoZraobis sayvare-
li cifria 5 da axla dafiqr-
diT, SemTxveviTia es?
irine gogosaSvili
lafanyuri _ saqarTvelos bermudis samkuTxedi
`qarTulma ocnebam~ sasamarTloSi sarCeli Seitana
blokma „biZina ivaniSvili - qar-
Tuli ocneba“ saqarTvelos sakonsu-
loebSi emigrantebis amomrCevlebad
daregistrirebis wesis gamartivebis
moTxovniT, cesko–s winaaRmdeg sasa-
marTloSi sarCeli Seitana.
sarCeli Tbilisis saqalaqo sasa-
marTloSi “qarTuli ocnebis“ warmo-
madgenelma zurab maraqveliZem Seita-
na.
misi TqmiT, saqarTvelos centra-
luri saarCevno komisiis 9 seqtembris dadgenilebis Tanaxmad,
ucxoeTSi mcxovrebi qarTvelebi amomrCevlad dasaregistirireb-
lad uSualod unda gamocxadnen registraciis adgilas, rac maT
seriozul barierebs uqmnis.
rogorc maraqveliZe ganmartavs, 9 seqtembris dadgenilebiT,
magaliTad, milanSi da italiis sxva qalaqebSi mcxovrebma qarT-
velebma registracia saelCoSi, anu romSi unda gaiaron. iq Ca-
sasvlelad ki erT samuSao dRis dakargva mouwevT, rac maT prob-
lemebs Seuqmnis.
„aRniSnuli barieri xelovnuradaa Seqmnili. moqalaqeebs dare-
gistrirebis saSualeba fostiT unda miscemodaT, sabuTebs Seag-
rovebdnen da fostiT gagzavnidnen. magram cesko–m procedura ga-
arTula. „qarTuli ocneba“ ceskos am gadawyvetilebas asaCivrebs
da moiTxovs, rom ucxoeTSi mcxovreb Tanamemamuleebs mieceT sa-
Sualeba, damatebiTi dabrkolebis gareSe miiRon monawileoba ar-
CevnebSi“, – ganacxada maraqveliZem.
`qarTuli dasi~ 2 oqtombridan aqciebs iwyebspolitikuri partia ”qarTuli da-
si” 2 oqtombridan aqciebs iwyebs.
rogorc dRes gamarTul preskon-
ferenciaze partiis liderma jondi
baRaTuriam ganacxada, aqciebi, saxel-
wodebiT ,,daicavi sakuTari xma“ per-
mamentuli iqneba.
misive TqmiT, aqciebi 23 dRis gan-
mavlobaSi Tbilisisa da quTaisSi par-
lamentis SenobebTan, aseve preziden-
tis rezidenciasTan gaimarTeba.
rogorc man aRniSna, aqciebi im SemTxvevaSic gaimarTeba, Tu ga-
mocxadebuli maCveneblebi arCevnebis realur Sedegebs ar asaxa-
vs.
,,Tematuri xasiaTis aqciebi arCevnebis realuri Sedegebis ga-
moqveynebas, konstituciuri wyobis dacvas da qveyanaSi stabilu-
robis dacvas emsaxureba,” - ganacxada baRaTuriam
aqciis Catarebis nebarTvis misaRebad Tbilisisa da quTaisis
merebs ”qarTuli dasis” warmomadgenlebi ganacxadebiT xval mi-
marTaven.
`medianiusi~
9saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
erT-eerTi yvelaze warmmate-
buli sawarmmos, saaqccio sazo-
gaddoeba `̀WiaTurmmanganummis~~
gakotrebis anatommiis, farTo
sazogaddoebisaTvis uccnob dde-
talebze politikuri koali-
ccia `̀biZina ivaniSvili-qqarTu-
li occnebis~~ WiaTuris mmaJori-
tari ddeputatobis kanddiddati
malxaz wereTeli gvesa-
ubreba.
_ batono malxaz, yovelg-
vari familarobis gareSe min-
da mogmarToT: Tqveni ganvli-
li gziT, cxovrebis wesiT,
adamianuri TvisebebiT WiaTu-
raSi erT-eerT gamorCeuli pi-
rovneba brZandebiT. ramdenad
sakmarisia es, rom parlament-
Si WiaTurelTa rCeuli gax-
deT?
_ gmadlobT, aseTi Sefase-
bisaTvis. meuxerxuleba saku-
Tar Tavze laparaki, magram ma-
inc Sevecdebi gipasuxoT.
politikaSi axalfexadgmu-
li ar meTqmis _ wlebia, Wia-
Turis municipalitetis sakr-
ebulos wevri var. Cemi war-
suliTac SemiZlia viamayo,
Tumca Cemi, rogorc deputa-
tobis kandidatis upirateso-
bas (mepatios pirdapiroba)
erTi ramec ganapirobebs.
me, malxaz wereTeli, viq-
nebi saaqcio sazogadoeba `Wi-
aTurmanganumis~ im 12 aTasze
meti aqcioneris uflebaTa
damcveli saqarTvelos parla-
mentSi, romlebic am sawarmos
xelovnurad gakotrebis
msxverplni gaxdnen. aseTi me-
TodiT gakotrebam mZime dar-
tyma miayena `WiaTurmanganu-
mis~ aqcionerebis qonebriv
mdgomareobas, rac maTi ojaxe-
bisTvis dRemde mouSuSebeli
Wrilobaa.
saqarTvelos parlamentis
wevrad arCevis SemTxvevaSi,
erT-erTi upirvelesi sazru-
navi am aqcionerTa uflebebis
aRdgena iqneba _ yvelafers
viRoneb, rom Seiqmnas sapar-
lamento komisia `WiaTurman-
ganumis~ gakotrebis detale-
bis dasadgenad da samarTlia-
nobis aRsadgenad.
aqve ganvmartav: am saqmis
gamoZieba xels ar SeuSlis
Sps `jorjian manganezis~ sam-
To gamamdidrebeli kombinatis
muSaobas, romelic `WiaTur-
manganumis~ qonebis bazaze ag-
rZelebs muSaobas, Tumca misi
samarTalmemkvidre ar aris.
_ iqneb mkiTxvels ufro
detalurad ganumartoT, ro-
gor gaakotres `WiaTurmanga-
numi~ xelovnurad?
_ saaqcio sazoga-
doeba `WiaTurmanganu-
mis~ qonebaze gakotre-
bis saqmis wamowyebis
Semdeg maleve, sasamar-
Tlos ganCinebiT, sa-
warmo reabilitaciis
reJimze gadaiyvanes. ramdenime
Tvis ganmavlobaSi manganumis
mopoveba da mTlianad sawar-
moo procesi, erTi SexedviT,
Cveulebriv reJimSi Cadga...
magram maleve kvlav daiwyo
gakotrebis saqmis warmoeba.
gakotrebis mmarTvelad Tbi-
lisis saxelmwifo universi-
tetis profesori, advokati
roin migriauli daniSnes. mis
saxelTan aris dakavSirebuli
saqarTveloSi samarTlis am
dargis ganviTareba. vfiqrob-
diT, rom cnobil iurists
saqmis gamrudebulad warmarT-
vas veravin gaubedavda.
batoni roin migriauli,
rogorc mosalodneli iyo,
Seudga dakisrebuli movaleo-
bis kvalificiurad Sesrule-
bas, `gakotrebis saqmeTa war-
moebis Sesaxeb~ saqarTvelos
imdroindeli kanonis Sesabami-
sad, rac iTvaliswinebs: mZime
ekonomikur mdgomareobaSi Ca-
vardnili movalis ekonomiku-
ri da finansuri siZneleebis
gadawyvetas, agreTve misi kre-
ditorebis interesebis maqsi-
malurad dakmayofilebas. saq-
mis warmoeba movalis gadarCe-
na-gajansaRebamde unda misu-
liyo... magram saqme sxvagvarad
warimarTa.
ar vici, ra weria oficia-
lur dokumentebSi, ra mize-
ziT datova roin migriaulma
gakotrebis mmarTvelis Tanam-
deboba daniSvnidan or TveSi,
magram cnobilia realuri mo-
tivi _ man igrZno, rom igi
SesaZloa, antisaxelmwifoeb-
rivi saqmianobis monawile gam-
xdariyo, Tuki `WiaTurmanga-
numis~ aqciaTa sakontrolo
paketis mflobelis _ ekono-
mikis saministros nebas daTan-
xmdeboda.... axal mmarTvelad
iuristi daviT kakabaZe dai-
niSna...
_ intervius SesavalSive
aRniSneT, rom sawarmos ga-
kotrebiT dartyma miiRo 12
aTasze metma aqcionerma. ro-
dis da rogor gaxdnen isini
aqcionerebi?
_ XX saukunis 90-ian
wlebSi, rodesac Cvens qveyana-
Si privatizebis procesi da-
iwyo, sawarmo gaerTianeba `Wi-
aTurmanganumi~ gardaiqmna sa-
aqcio sazogadoebad, romlis
aqciaTa 100 procenti saxel-
mwifos sakuTrebas warmoad-
genda. prezident eduard Se-
vardnaZis brZanebulebiT, am
aqciaTa sami procenti Sromi-
Ti koleqtivis 12 aTasze met
TanamSromels usasyidlod ga-
daeca. maSin TiToeuli aqciis
nominaluri Rirebuleba erT
lars Seadgenda. 2004-2005
wlebidan moyolebuli, WiaTu-
ris manganumze msoflio ba-
zarze moTxovna TandaTan izr-
deboda, Sesabamisad, aqciaTa
fasmac mkveTrad moimata. spe-
cialistebis daskvnebiT, `Wia-
Turmanganumis~ xelovnuri ga-
kotreba rom ara, aqciaTa 3
procentis sabazro Rirebule-
ba dRes milionobiT dolari
iqneboda.
ase rom, rodesac `WiaTur-
manganumis~ qonebaze gakotre-
bis saqmis warmoeba gaixsna,
amiT movalis ekonomikuri siZ-
neleebis daZleva ki ar iyo
ganzraxuli, aramed, Turme,
imTaviTve sawarmos likvida-
cia igegmeboda.
12 aTasze meti aqcioneris
vinaoba (saxelebi, gvarebi,
sacxovrebeli adgilis misa-
marTebi da sxva) dResac aris
dafiqsirebuli fasiani qaRal-
debis registratoris monace-
mebsa da Sesabamis sxva doku-
mentaciaSi.
_ da uflebaSelaxuli,
qonebawarTmeuli aqcionerebi-
saTvis cnobili araferia?
_ maT yvelaferi Cinebu-
lad ician, maT Soris _ eko-
nomikis saministros erT-erTi
maRalCinosnis cinikuri xum-
robis Sesaxeb: `WiaTurmanga-
numis~ gakotrebasTan dakavSi-
rebiT erT-erT TaTbirze mas
uTqvams: 12 aTas aqcioners
maTsave samuSao iaraRebs gava-
qonineb, maTze davsvam da ise
movisvrio... amJamad bevri aq-
cioneri jer kidev manganumis
mrewvelobaSi muSaobs (ro-
gorc ukve aRvniSne, am bizness
Sps `jorjian manganezi~ agr-
Zelebs) da samuSaos dakarg-
vis SiSiT pirSi wylis Cagu-
bebas amjobinebs.
rac Seexeba maRalCinosnis
danaqadebs, man sityva Seasru-
la, marTlac `moisrola~ 12
aTasze meti aqcioneri, ro-
melTac xelT faratina qa-
RaldebiRa SerCaT. im 12 aTas
`mosrolil~ aqcioneTa Soris
iyvnen sawarmoo marcxiT dain-
validebuli adamianebi, regre-
sis pensionerebi (bevri maTga-
ni invalidis etls dRemdea
mijaWvuli), romlebic mize-
ruli saxelmwifo pensiis ime-
dad darCnen. mkiTxvels Sevax-
seneb, rom mimdinare wlis ap-
rilSi batoni biZina ivaniSvi-
li regresis pensionerebs
Sexvda da daxmareba aRuTqva.
koaliciis programis es nawi-
li praqtikulad gadawyveti-
lia.
`mosrolilma~ aqcionereb-
ma ician, rom aravis araferi
gaukeTebia imisaTvis, rom ga-
kotrebis saqmis warmoeba
likvidaciiT ki ara, reabili-
taciiT damTavrebuliyo. maTT-
vis isic kargad aris cnobi-
li, rom ekonomikis saminist-
ros zewolis gamo, sasamarT-
loSi valauvali movalis mi-
er, arc erTi kerZo saCivari,
arc erTi morigebis gancxade-
ba ar Sesula.
vidre momdevno kiTxvaze
gadavidodeT, mciredi gadaxve-
va; prezidenti saakaSvili sa-
televizio gamosvlebisas xSi-
rad imeorebs _ CvenTan ar mo-
ipoveba navTobi da bunebrivi
airi, amitom Cveni qveyana eko-
nomikurad Zlieri ar ariso.
erTi suli maqvs am dros
sityva Sevawyvetino da Sevax-
seno:
batono prezidento, sama-
gierod Cven gvaqvs unikaluri
fizikuri da qimiuri Tvisebe-
biT gamorCeuli WiaTuris man-
ganumi, romlis warmoebis Se-
degad miRebuli milionobiT
dolaris mogeba, sadRac
Sors, kviprosis ofSoruli
zonis bankebSi, iqve daregist-
rirebuli kompaniis angariSze
iricxeba, romlis damfuZne-
belTa vinaoba gasaidumloebu-
lia.
ase rom, Cveni qveynisa da
xalxis ekonomikuri uZlure-
bis mizezi bunebrivi resurse-
bis nakleboba ki ara, elitu-
ri korufciaa.
_ rogorRa gagrZelda `Wi-
aTurmanganumis~ gakotrebis
saqmis warmoeba?
_ gakotrebis warmoebis
procesSi (2005-2008 wlebi),
lamis yoveldRiurad izrde-
boda moTxovna WiaTuris man-
ganumze da matulobda sasa-
qonlo produqciis realiza-
ciac. amas statistikis erov-
nuli samsaxuris monacemebic
adasturebs. arsebobda iuri-
diuli da realuri faqtobri-
vi safuZvlebi imisa, rom mom-
xdariyo `WiaTurmanganumis~
reabilitacia. es procesi sa-
bolood daasrula 2008
wlis 4 ivliss saCxeris rai-
onulma sasamarTlom (mosamar-
Tle _ malxaz CubiniZe, sxdo-
mis mdivani _ nino CixeliZe):
`WiaTurmanganumis~ mimarT ga-
kotrebis saqmis warmoeba das-
rulebulad cno; sawarmo ga-
kotrebulad gamoacxades da
samewarmeo reestridan amoi-
Res. ai, finali aSkara ukano-
no epopeisa!
kidev erTxel vimeoreb: aq-
cionerebs, vinc TavianTi jan-
mrTeloba da axalgazrdoba
`WiaTurmanganumis~ warmate-
bul sawarmod Camoyalibebas
Seswira, xelT faratina qa-
Raldi SerCaT. sawarmoo simZ-
lavreebi: gamamdidrebeli fab-
rikebi, maRaroebi, avtosat-
ransporto parki, unikaluri
wiaRiT mdidari sabadoebi la-
mis saCuqrad gadaeca Sps
`jorjian manganezs~, romlis
damfuZnebeli kviprosis of-
Sorul zonaSi daregistrire-
buli kompaniaa.
_ batono malxaz, Cveni in-
terviu pesimistur notze
mTavrdeba?
_ ras brZanebT, arasodes
vyofilvar pesimisti! vici,
TviTon qalaq WiaTuraSi, mis
rionebSi, soflebSi uamravi
problemaa mosagvarebeli. qa-
laqi TiTqos sasmeli wylis
resursebis naklebobas ar ga-
nicdis, magram sruliad mou-
wesrigebelia wyalmomaragebis
sistema, romelzec ukve sam
milionamde laria daxarju-
li.
Tuki deputatad amirCeven,
`Savi oqros~ qalaqSi priori-
tetuli iqneba garemos dacvis
sakiTxebi, miwisZvriTa da mi-
wisqveSa samTo samuSaoebis
warmoebisas dazaralebulTa
uflebebis dacva, soflis me-
urneobis ganviTareba... me mzad
var, am problemebis mosagva-
reblad, WiaTurelTa intere-
sebis dasacavad...
neba momeciT, es interviu
biZina ivaniSvilis gamonaTqva-
miT davasrulo: `Cven davam-
TavrebT saqarTveloSi sabWo-
eTis epoqas, tyuilebis epo-
qas! elitaruli korufciis
epoqas! usamarTlobisa da una-
musobis epoqas! saqarTveloSi
patiosnebis dro modis!~
Tamaz TofuriZe
malxaz wereTeli:malxaz wereTeli: `WiaTurmanganumis~
xelovnuri gakotreba 12 000 aqcionerisa
da maTi ojaxis wevrebisaTvis mudmiv
da mouSuSebel Wrilobad darCeba...
10 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
luis navarosTan mimarTebaSi mxo-
lod erTaderTi gamosavali arse-
bobs- samarcxvinod gavaZevoT sa-
qarTvelodan. gavaZevoT ise, rom
momavalSi verc erTma moxalise navarom
veRar SeZlos qarTveli xalxisTvis Tavze
dafurTxeba. vfiqrob, rom saprotesto
kampaniis mTavar RerZad unda iqces aqcie-
bis organizeba NDI-is da sxva ofisebis
win. axla, ra Tqma unda, gamoxteba zogi-
erTi opozicioneri politikosi, Tu po-
litikosobis msurveli da ityvis, rom es
procesisTvis xelis SeSlaa...:))) daiwyeT
aqciebis organizeba im gayalbebisa da tyu-
ilis winaaRmdeg, rasac navaroebi gvaxeven
Tavs. es kriminalia. aqciebis organizeba ki
araa danaSauli _ Cveni mTavari uflebaa.
Zvelad qarTvelebi Zalian dafa-
sebulebi vyofilvarT! lekebi
mogvitacebdnen Tu ara maSinve
stambolis bazarze gavyavdiT, sa-
dac taciaoba tydeboda Cvenze, ara me un-
da viyido, ara - meo! axla mazanda dagvi-
varda, SeiZleba ki SemovetacoT vinmes, ma-
ra muStari aRar gvyavs, amitom gvaWmeven,
gvacmeven, jibis fuls gvaZleven da ukan
gvabruneben. am pirobebSi iavnanam ra unda
qnas?!
yriloba iyo formiT viTom ameri-
kuli (rogorc albaT, SeukveTa
miSam Tavis piarSCikebs) da Sina-
arsiT – sufTa komunistur–bol-
Sevikuri. teqstebidan gamomdinare Tu vim-
sjelebT, marTla cudad aqvT etyoba, saq-
me, Cveulebrivze meti tyuili da cilis-
wameba dasWirdaT! Tan nametani xmaCaxleCi-
lebi Rrialebdnen.
ara marto ”leninizm-neobolSe-
vizmis” - sruli marazmis karna-
valia ” heil hitler-is winam-
ZRolobiT!!! Tavi evropaSi visac
hgonia, ZaliT Cacmul 5-ian maisurebSi ga-
mowyobaze, demonstraciebze ZaliT monawi-
leobis miRebaze sabWoTa kavSiri cotaTi
mainc ar elandebaT?ramdeni ”modelirebu-
li qronika” unda vnaxoT, ramdeni lopo-
tas xeobis operacia, ramdeni SaraZe, Jva-
nia, girgvliani, vazagaSvili, gamcemliZe,
qimeriZe, soso wiklauri, Coxeli, xvede-
liZe da sxva, ramdeni daRupul-daWrili
avRaneTSi, ramdeni atirebuli deda, mama,
meuRle, Svili, Seyvarebuli, ramdeni nace-
mi da Seuracxyofili veterani, saxlebidan
gamoyrili Zveli Tu axali ltolvil-dev-
nili, garedan gamWvirvale da Signidan bne-
li, burusiT moculi policiis Senoba,
ramdeni vandaluri Zeglis gadatan-gadmo-
tana an sulac afeTqeba-ganadgureba,ramde-
ni unda vnaxoT da vigemoT, rom gamovfxiz-
ldeT?! Tavs nu davimSvidebT, rom ”droni
mefoben da ara mefeni”!!! iqneb senekas da-
vujeroT: ”gavzomoT cxovreba qmedebebiT
da ara droiT”.
_ makkeini saa-
kaSvilTan Camovida,
rogorc megobari
megobarTan, rom ar-
Cevnebis win gaefr-
Txilebina, raime
sisulele ar Cai-
dino, biWo da ar
dagvRupoo _ aseT
axsnas uZebnis qar-
Tel politikosTa
erTi nawili makkei-
nis vizits saqarT-
veloSi.
_ msoflioSi
Zalian cota darCa
adamiani, visac saa-
kaSvili ujerebs... is imdenadaa Sepyro-
bili Zalauflebis SenarCunebis survi-
liT, rom cota vinmes Tu usmens, xo-
lo visac usmens, maTgan makeini, ra
Tqma unda, gamorCeuli pirovnebaa saa-
kaSvilisTvis. makkeini, albaT, Seecada
daerwmunebina saakaSvili, rom sjobs
arCevnebi samarTlianad Catardes _ am-
boben qarTveli eqspertebi da poli-
tologebi.
mokled rom vTqvaT, didi marCie-
loba da mkiTxaobaa gaCaRebuli _ ra-
tom Camovida makkeini da ra uTxra sa-
akaSvils? saakaSvilis dasatuqsad Ca-
movida Tu saakaSvilis mxardasaWerad?
iqneb imis gasagebad, es ivaniSvili ru-
seTis kacia Tu ara?
am makeinis gamkvirvebia, ivaniSvilis
ruseTumeobis ambavi rom ainteresebs,
ratom is ar ainteresebs vin aris si-
namdvileSi misi politikuri Svilobi-
li mixeil saakaSvili da iseTi ra me-
gobrul-naTesauri kavSirebi aqvs ru-
seTTan, naxevari saqarTvelo Tavis te-
ritoriebian-ekonomikianad ruseTs rom
gadaabrala?
marto am makkeinis ki ara saerTod
amerikelebis miamitobiT da gulubry-
vilobiT var gaocebuli, maTTvis ro-
gor darCa damaluli da gaugebari is,
rac saqarTveloSi TiTqmis yvelam icis
_ dawyebuli Jurnalistebidan da dam-
Tavrebuli rigiTi moqalaqeebiT.
makkeins moaxsenes, rom biZina iva-
niSvilma Tavisi ukanaskneli biznesic
gayida ruseTSi, magram ratomRac ara-
feri mouxsenebiaT imis Sesaxeb, rom
TviT xelisufleba da masTan daaxlo-
ebuli pirebi kidev ufro aRrmaveben
da aZliereben ruseTTan biznesurTier-
Tobebs.
ratom araferi uTxres makkeins da
mis Tanmxleb senatorebs, rom saakaSvi-
li da putini krizisul situaciebSi
ise filigranulad azRveven erTmaneTs,
ise sinqronulad moqmedeben, rom didi
mixvedra ar unda, rasTan gvaqvs saqme.
yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT, ro-
ca saakaSvilis gundSi moiazrebian ben-
duqiZeebi, vaSaZeebi, nayofiebi, Sarangi-
ebi, sxvebi da sxvebi, ivaniSvilis pro-
rusulobaze saubari sasacilo ar
aris?
makkeins, romelic oTxi weli hyav-
daT rusebs tyved, paTologiurad
sZuls ruseTi da etyoba, SurisZiebis
grZnoba ar asvenebs, miuxedavad imisa,
rom misi tyveobidan bevrma wyalma Ca-
iara da amerika-vietnamis omic ukve
bevrs ar axsovs.
samagierod, yvelaferi axsovs mis-
ter jons da, rogorc vTqviT, ruseb-
ze SurisZiebis dauokebeli survili
moxucebulobaSic gadmohyva.
_ rusebma gawyenines? ager ar var
me? Tqven oRond iaraRi mogveciT da
rusebs TavianT daJangul tankebs da
TavianT frTamoRrecil TviTmfrina-
vebs sul jarTad vuqcevT! _ gamo-
varda uceb xmalamoRebuli jeeli,
tanad brge, xmiT xafi, alag-alag
mrisxane, gvarad saakaSvili da erT-
baSad moxibla ukve asakSi Sesuli
makkeini.
_ ai, vin amixdens ocnebas, ai, vin
iZiebs Surs Cems magivrad, ai, vin mWir-
deba me, _ ifiqra makkeinma da erTi
rom Caavlo xeli am axlad movlenil
gmirs, dRemde ar gauSva.
amasac, am `gmir~ jeelsac ra enaR-
vleba _ xan dedas aginebs ruseTs, xan
mamas, xan orives erTad, erTi-orjer
yumbarebic lewa, riTac, albaT, makkei-
nis guli gaaxara, Tumca amiT makkeinis
gulTan erTad rusebis gulic gaaxara,
romlebmac sapasuxod iseTi dagvcxes,
dRemde ver movsulvarT gons.
moxerxebuli kacia es Cveni saakaS-
vili _ iqiT makkeins da amerikelebs
uxarebs guls, aqeT putins da ruseTs,
erTaderTi, visac guls uklavs, es
qarTvelebia, Tumca qarTvelebi saTva-
lavSi Casagdebic ar arian, mTavaria,
makkeins da rusebs asiamovnos.
_ yvelafers gavakeTeb imisTvis,
rom saqarTvelom Sepirebuli Seiara-
Reba droulad miiRoso _ daubara `ba-
bua~ jonma Tavis saamayo ̀ SviliSvils~
da wavida.
marTalia, is ar uTqvams, SeiaraRe-
bas ki mogcemT, magram mere Sen ici,
rogor Seneburad miulewav Tav-ybas am
Tavxed rusebso, magram amas Tqma rad
undoda _ es xom isedac igulisxmebo-
da.
rogorc Cans, makkeins mtkiced sje-
ra, rom 1 oqtombris arCevnebSi isev
saakaSvili da misi `nac.moZraoba~ gai-
marjvebs da swored imitom Tqva,
iaraRs mogcemTo, Torem makkeini iva-
niSvilis SesaiaraReblad rom ar moik-
lavda Tavs, cxadia.
axla mTavaria, `nacmoZraobis-
`Rirseuli~ gamarjvebis Semdeg viRac-
viRacebma quCaSi gamosvla da xmis amo-
Reba ar gabedon da `gamarjvebuls~
`gamarjveba~ yovelgvari protestis
gareSe miulocon.
ase iSifreba makkeinis narTaulebi
da ara ise, rogorc `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ zogierTi eqsperti Sifravs.
ra davaSaveT aseTi, maincdamainc
makkeins unda SevewiroT?
dabolos, aqve gTavazobT mkiTxve-
lis mier gamogzavnil leqss saTauriT
`makkeini varT maked~.
mxatvruli Rirebulebebis Tval-
sazrisiT, leqsi didi veraferi bede-
naa, magram SinaarsiT saintereso unda
iyos:
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kkvvllaavv aaRRmmaarrTTss vveebbRRaauuWWeebbiiTT,,
vveerraaffrriiTT ggaavviivvaakkeeTT,,
iiqqiiTT mmzziiaannii ddaarriiaa,,
TToovvss ddaa wwvviimmaaaa aaqqeeTT..
iisseevv TTaallxxSSiiaa CCaammjjddaarrii,,
CCeemmii vveerraa ddaa vvaakkee,,
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT ffeexxmmZZiimmeedd,,
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT mmaakkeedd..
zzeeiimmoobbss ssaaaakkaaSSvviillii,,
ppuuttiinnii __ aarraannaakklleebb!!
ddaabbeeCCaavveebbuull qqvveeyyaannaass
TTaavvzzee aayyrriiaann nnaakkeellss,,
wwiinn aarraammzzaaddaa mmiiuuZZRRvviiss,,
aarraammzzaaddeebbiiss nnaakkrreebbss
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT ffeexxmmZZiimmeedd,,
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT mmaakkeedd..
aavvRRaanneeTTss mmiivvaallTT ssaaoommrraadd,,
ddaa rraassmmuusseennii ggvvaaqqeebbss..
ooqqttoommbbrriiss SSeemmddeegg nnaacceebbii,,
ddaaggvviirriiggeebbeenn kkaakkeebbss..
kkvvllaavv ggaaddaavvaavvsseebbTT iisseeddaacc
ppiirrTTaammddee ssaavvssee ssaakknneebbss..
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT ffeexxmmZZiimmeedd,,
mmaakkkkeeiinniiTT vvaarrTT mmaakkeedd..
P.S. am amerikelebs ucnauri zne
dasCemdaT bolo xanebSi _ saqarTve-
los sazRvrebs gascdebian Tu ara, ra-
tomRac saakaSvilis siyvarulis buSti
gauskdebaT imwamsve da sazRvrebs gare-
dan sul paCi-puCebs gvigzavnian.
ase moiqca qalbatoni hilari da
ase moiqca batoni makkeinic, romelmac
saqarTvelodan cota Sors daigula
Tavi Tu ara, egreve mTel msoflios
acnoba:
_ me vamayob, rom saakaSvili Cemi
megobariao.
ex, qalbatono TinaTin xidaSelo,
ra tyuilad gvaimedebdiT, makkeini Ta-
visi megobris megobrulad datuqsvis
mizniT Camovidao.
datuqsva ki ara, ver xedavT kacs
eamayeba, rom saakaSvilis megobaria...
giorgi gamezardaSvili
xalxis azriT
`makkeiniT var maked~`Tu ginda siTbo da alersi,
megobars Caxede TvalebSi~
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
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gvesaubreba konfliqtebisa da
molaparakebebis saerTaSoriso
kvleviTi centris direqtori,
profesori gogi xuciSvili:
_ batono gogi, NDI-mm kvleva
Caatara, ris Sedegadac biZina iva-
niSvils mxars 12 procenti
uWers.
_ NDI avtoritetiani saer-
TaSoriso organizaciaa, magram
meore mxriv, igi kvlevebs sakuTa-
ri ZalebiT ar atarebs _ mas ad-
gilobriv profesiul jgufTan
xelSekruleba aqvs gaformebuli.
Sesabamisad, pasuxismgebloba ra-
sac NDI-s vakisrebT, qarTul
profesiul jgufze unda gadava-
misamarToT. jgufi, romelTanac
luis navaro muSaobs, ar SeiZle-
ba miukerZoeblad, obieqturad Ca-
iTvalos. kargi iqneboda NDI-sdrodadro sxvadasxva jgufebTan
gaeformebina xelSekruleba, mag-
ram am arCevnebisTvis es rCeva uk-
ve dagvianebulia.
_ rogor fiqrobT, vis dau-
Wers am arCevnebSi amerika mxars
_ mixeil saakaSvils Tu xalxs?
maTi mxardaWera xom yovelTvis
prezidents ekuTvnoda.
_ axla, ase ar iqneba, Tumca
xelisuflebas xels uwyobs is
garemoeba, rom amerikas aRar
surs ise gamoCndes, TiTqos ze-
wolas axdens erTi romelime po-
litikuri Zalis sawinaaRmdegod
an sasargeblod. amitomacaa aSS
sakuTar qmedebebsa da Sefasebeb-
Si TavSekavebuli, magram Sefase-
bebi, rac amerikeli politolo-
gebis, mecnierebis mier keTdeba,
vaSingtonis mxridan mxardaWeri-
lia. amas didi mniSvneloba aqvs.
Sefasebebi, romelic araoficia-
luri xaziT keTdeba, Zalian kri-
tikulia. amitom, SeiZleba iTq-
vas, rom aSS-s damokidebuleba
Secvlilia, rac gamowveulia Sem-
degiT _ yvela civilizebuli
qveynis praqtikiTa da kanoniT,
gundi, romelmac xelisuflebaSi
ori vada amowura, unda wavides
da adgili sxva gunds dauTmos.
mTavari esaa. unda moxdes xeli-
suflebis tranzicia, magram es
procesi CvenTan gaZnelebulia,
radgan jgufi, romelic xeli-
suflebaSia imdenadaa CabRauWebu-
li skamebs, rom praqtikulad
aravis aZlevs SesaZleblobas Za-
laufleba gauyos.
_ saakaSvilma aRniSna kidec,
aRmaSenebelma 20 weli moandoma
qveynis gaerTianebaso. es, praqti-
kulad miniSneba iyo, rom igi ar-
sad wasvlas ar apirebs.
_ axla XXI saukunea, saakaS-
vili ki XII-XIII saukunis ambebs
gvTavazobs saprogramo miznad.
man xom Tqva _ Cemi aSenebuli
qveyana sxvas rogor unda gadav-
ceo. mas unda Tanamedrove moder-
nizebuli iarliyiT feodaluri
tipis urCxuli daabrunos qveynis
mmarTvelobaSi.
_ rac Seexeba senatorebis vi-
zits, rogor SeafasebT maT gan-
cxadebebs?
_ saerTod, Zalian kritiku-
lad, skeptikurad vuyureb imas,
rom winasaarCevno periodSi sa-
qarTveloSi swored is senatore-
bi Camodian, romlebic saakaSvils
uWeren mxars. es, winasaarCevnod
politkur zewolas hgavs. es xe-
lisuflebis erT-erTi dagegmili
nabiji iyo, raTa saarCevnod Tavi-
anTi politikuri poziciebi gaeZ-
lierebinaT. makkeini da kidev ram-
denime senatori `respublikuri
partiis~ im konservatiul jgufs
warmoadgenen, romlebic buSis pe-
riodSi radikalur poziciaze iy-
vnen, ramac saqarTvelos ara de-
mokratiuli, aramed avtoritaru-
li gziT svlas Seuwyo xeli.
_ am fonze, ramdenad unda
gvqondes demokratiuli arCevne-
bis Catarebis molodini?
_ molodini mainc unda gvqon-
des. imitom, rom gayalbeba gark-
veul farglebSi xdeba. ar arse-
bobs absoluturi, sruli gayal-
beba. yvelaferi amomrCevlis aq-
tivobaze, mis Camoyalibebuloba-
zea damokidebuli. Tu xalxi 1
oqtombers im arCevans gaakeTebs,
rasac axla misi ganwyobebi gamo-
xatavs, maSin mmarTvelma partiam
ver unda SeZlos imdeni xmis dag-
roveba, rom absolutur dominan-
tur poziciaSi darCes. magram Tu
aRmoCnda, rom Cveni amomrCeveli
winaaRmdegobrivi, Camouyalibebe-
li, sustia gadawyvetilebis mi-
RebaSi da `imedis~, `rusTavi-2~-
is gavlenis qveS eqceva, maSin sa-
momavlod am qveynis saqme cudad
yofila.
_ rogor fiqrobT, dRevande-
li amomrCeveli sustia gadawyve-
tilebis miRebaSi?
_ diax, sustia da swored es
maRelvebs. es imas niSnavs, rom am
arCevnebis Semdeg Cveni demokra-
tiuli ganviTarebis perspeqtive-
bi da Zler saxelmwifod Camoya-
libebis survili, didi kiTxvis
niSnis qveS dgas. mosaxleobis um-
ravlesobam xeli unda Seuwyos
arsebuli viTarebis Secvlas da
parlamenti im Zalebisgan dakomp-
leqtdes, ra moTxovnac sazoga-
doebaSia. amJamad, Cven xelovnuri
parlamenti gvaqvs, es unda dam-
Tavrdes. amomrCevelTan Sexved-
rebs vmarTavT, isini xSirad aR-
niSnaven _ gvinda, azri ufro aq-
tiurad gamovxatoT, magram gve-
Sinia da Tavs vikavebTo. ki, bato-
no, axla SeikaveT Tavi, magram ar
SeikavoT Tavi 1 oqtombers, sadac
aravin giyurebT da Tavisuflad
SegiZliaT azris dafiqsireba.
mTavari esaa, magram Tu sakuTari,
realuri arCevanis dafiqsireba
mosaxleobas masobrivad gauWir-
da, ukve qveynis momavalze didi
kiTxvis niSani daismeba. safrTxe
imisa, rom mosaxleobas am arCeva-
nis gakeTeba gauWirdeba, arsebobs.
magram mainc imeds vitoveb, rom 1
oqtombers arCevnebze xalxi Camo-
yalibebuli poziciiT mova.
_ opoziciuri partiebis di-
di nawili xmamaRla acxadebs,
rom arCevnebi ukve gayalbebulia.
zogi Tvlis, rom am SemTxvevaSi
gamosavali meore dRes quCaSi ga-
mosvla da msoflios mier Cveni
daTvlaa. ras fiqrobT, amaze?
_ ra Tqma unda, sjobs arCev-
nebamde dagvTvalon. arcerTi sa-
erTaSoriso organizacia da dam-
kvirvebelTa jgufi sakuTar Tav-
ze ar aiRebs imas, rom qveynis
mTavrobis mier Seqmnil suraTs
mkveTrad daupirispirdes, gaaba-
Tilos da bolomde gaiyvanos Ta-
visi azri, es ar moxdeba. maT ici-
an, rom TavianT simarTles ver
gaitanen. amitom, maT SeuZliaT
darRvevebis aRmoCena, saerTo vi-
Tarebaze azris gamoTqma, magram
miRebuli Sedegis gauqmebas, Sec-
vlas vercerTi saerTaSoriso
organizacia sakuTar Tavze ver
aiRebs.
_ anu ra gamodis, maTgan Zve-
leburad aRSfoTeba-SSeSfoTebas
miviRebT?
_ ase gamodis. amitom, sjobs
reagireba axlave moxdes. Tundac,
Tu vTvliT, rom damkvirveblebi
sakmarisi ar arian, axlave mo-
viTxovoT damateba. opozicia, sa-
moqalaqo seqtori axla unda ga-
aqtiurdes da ara arCevnebis mere.
es arCevnebi saqarTvelos momav-
lisTvis gadamwyvetia. Tu am ar-
Cevnebis Sedegad gairkva, rom sa-
qarTvelos mosaxleoba eTanxmeba
dRes arsebuli fiqtiuri parla-
mentis kidev 4 weli imave saxiT
arsebobs, es ukve sazogadoebis
uunarobaze imetyvelebs, rasac
Zalian mZime Sedegebi mohyveba.
_ opoziciis nawili arCevne-
bis gayalbebis SemTxvevaSi mosa-
lodnel revoluciaze saubrobs,
rogoria Tqveni prognozi am sa-
kiTxTan mimarTebaSi?
_ aramgonia revolucia mox-
des. aravin dauSvebs xelisufle-
bis legitimacia ukve meored re-
voluciis gziT moxdes. mTeli
datvirTva ukve amomrCevelze ga-
dadis, anu ramdenadaa igi cvli-
lebisTvis masiurad mzad. ara
konkretulad romelime kandida-
tis mxardasaWerad, aramed cvli-
lebisTvis. erTpartiuli parla-
menti unda dasruldes, mTeli
datvirTva swored amaze midis _
Tu ramdenadaa mzad amomrCeveli
amisTvis. unda SemuSavdes meqa-
nizmebi, romelic TviTon arCevne-
bis dRis gakontrolebis saSua-
lebas mogvcems. oRond, ara eg-
zitpolebi. es mosaxleobaze Za-
lian did fsiqologiur gavlenas
axdens. Zalian maSfoTebs erTi
ram _ wina arCevnebis win samoqa-
laqo seqtorsa da saerTaSoriso
damkvirveblebs Soris sakmaod
mWidro urTierToba da komunika-
cia iyo, axla gacilebiT nakle-
bia. ratom unda xdebodes es? es
arCevnebi xom sasicocxlod uf-
ro metad mniSvnelovania, vidre
wina.am arCevnebis mimarT ufro
meti yuradRebaa, amave dros dam-
kvirvebelTa misia ufro naklebad
Semodis kontaqtSi, vidre adre
iyo.
_ ras ukavSirebT am yoveli-
ves, riT SeiZleba iyos es gamow-
veuli?
_ SemiZlia vTqva, rom quCaSi
viRac adamiani daSinebulia, mag-
ram rogor SeiZleba euTos damk-
virvebeli daaSino?! aba, ra aris
mizezi? _ moumzadebloba im vi-
Tarebisadmi, romelSic samuSaod
Cadixar, Tu ra xdeba?! es CemTvi-
sac gaugebaria, es kiTxva upasu-
xodaa darCenili, magram arsebobs
sxvadasxva manipulaciebi, raTa
naklebi iyos kontaqti, _ saerTa-
Soriso organizaciebs mxolod
im organizaciebTan axvedreben,
romelTaganac xelisufleba wi-
naswar gaTvlil pasuxs elis. Se-
saZlebelia saerTaSoriso orga-
nizaciebs miuTiTeben kidec vis
Sexvdnen da vis ara. anu sakmaod,
arajansaRi saarCevno garemoa.
_ prezidentma 11 regionSi
farTomasStabiani aqciebi Caatara.
es Zalis demonstrireba iyo, Tu...
_ ra Tqma unda, es iyo Zalis
demonstrirebis, aqtivobis, fsi-
qologiuri zemoqmedebis moxdena.
arada, roca moqmedi xelisufle-
ba xar, mTeli administraciuli
resursi xelT gaqvs, gamgebels
ar gauWirdeba skolis direqto-
rebs, maswavleblebs xalxis Sek-
reba daavalos, winaaRmdeg SemTx-
vevaSi maT samsaxuridan gauSveben.
ase, ra Tqma unda, bevri xalxi
mova. rogor SeiZleba es serio-
zulad aRviqvaT, rogorc mxarda-
Weris faqtori. es administraci-
uli resursis gamoyenebis faqto-
ria da ara mxardaWeris.
_ ramdenad sworad migaCniaT
opoziciis mxridan kriminalad
monaTlul xelisuflebasTan er-
Tad arCevnebSi monawileoba. bur-
janaZe ambobda: jer gadavayenoT
es xelisufleba da mere davniS-
noT arCevnebio.
_ 7 noembersac egonaT, rom
xalxis kritikuli masa SeZlebda
xelisuflebis gadayenebas, magram
ase ar moxda, imitom, rom raRac
momentSi aSS-m sisuste gamoav-
lina, qarTveli xalxis mxridan
ki iyo SemarTeba. burjanaZis po-
zicia kargad mesmis, magram poli-
tikuri TvalsazrisiT ver gava-
marTleb, imitom, rom saakaSvils
ase veravin gadaayenebs, amas mxo-
lod Camoyalibebuli amomrCev-
lis gadawyvetilebiT mivaRwevT.
Tu amomrCeveli am sakiTxze Camo-
yalTibebuli ar iqna, es ar niS-
navs, rom xelebi unda CamovuSvaT
da yvelaferi daRupulad miviCni-
oT. am momentisTvis, rogorc
Cans, situacia Camoyalibebuli ar
aris. xalxi nel-nela yalibdeba,
Rvindeba, magram saqarTvelos,
samwuxarod, meti dro sWirdeba
am CamoyalibebisTvis, vidre sxva
post-sabWoTa qveynebs.
_ sasurveli Sedegis miuR-
wevlobis SemTxvevaSi, xom ar
aris xelisuflebis mxridan gar-
kveuli provokaciebis mowyobis
safrTxe?
_ Tu ruseTs vgulisxmobT,
igi cdilobs saqarTvelos ambebSi
ar Caerios. saqarTvelos arCevne-
bis gamo, rusuli jari aq ar Se-
mova, magram ar aris gamoricxuli
Tavad saakaSvilma moawyos raime
provokacia. Tumca, aqve erTic un-
da aRiniSnos _ xelisuflebis
mxridan provokaciis mowyobis sa-
SiSroeba maSin iqneboda, Tu igi
arCevnebSi wagebis perspeqtivis
winaSe dadgeboda. am etapze, xe-
lisuflebis wagebis perspeqtivas
ver vxedav. mas uzarmazari resur-
si aqvs. rac Seexeba opozicias,
igi namdvilad Sewuxebulia da
asec unda iyos. am viTarebaSi, xe-
lisuflebis xelSi, mosalodne-
lia maT xmebi daakldeT. xalxis
molodinia opozicia parlamentSi
Zlierad iyos warmodgenili. Tun-
dac meore adgilze gasvla opo-
ziciisTvis win gadadgmuli nabi-
ji iqneba, magram ra Tqma unda, es
ver Sefasdeba, rogorc maTi ga-
marjveba. es iqneba garkveuli win-
svla, magram ara gamarjveba. isev
realobidan unda gamovideT _ Tu
ramdenadaa Cveni amomrCeveli Camo-
yalibebuli. rogorc giTxariT, am
mxriv seriozuli problema
gvaqvs.
Tamar SveliZe
saakaSvils surs Tanamedrove
modernizebuli iarliyiT qveynis
mmarTvelobaSi feodaluri tipis urCxuli daabrunos
gogi xuciSvili:gogi xuciSvili:
12 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
wwiinnaassaaaarrCCeevvnnoo `̀mmaarraaTToonnii~~
ZZaallaass iikkrreebbss.. `̀eennddiiaaiiss~~ kkvvllee-
vviiss SSeeddeeggeebbmmaa,, ffaaqqttoobbrriivvaadd,,
yyvveellaass TTaavvggzzaa aauubbnniiaa,, ssaaggoonnee-
bbeellSSii CCaaaaggddoo `̀nnaacciioonnaalleebbii~~,,
nnuuTTuu mmaarrTTllaa mmoossaaxxlleeoobbiiss 3300
pprroocceennttiiaa mmaaTTii mmoommxxrree?? aannddaa
vviinn aarriiss mmoossaaxxlleeoobbiiss iiss 2211
pprroocceennttii,, rroommeellmmaacc SSeekkiiTTxxvvaa-
zzee,, TTuu vviiss aaZZlleevvss xxmmaass ppaassuuxx-
zzee uuaarrii ggaannaaccxxaaddaa,, aann iiss 2277
pprroocceennttii aaddaammiiaanneebbiissaa,, rroommeell-
TTaacc ppaassuuxxiiss ddaakkoonnkkrreetteebbaazzee
uuaarrii TTqqvveess?? mmaaTTii eerrTToobblliioobbaa
ssaaeerrTToo jjaammSSii,, 4488 pprroocceennttss
SSeeaaddggeennss.. eess kkii ssaakkmmaaoodd ddiiddii
pprroocceennttiiaa aammoommrrCCeevvlleebbiissaa,, rroo-
mmeellTTaa ppaassuuxxii 11 ooqqttoommbbeerrss rree-
aalluurraadd ddaaffiiqqssiirrddeebbaa ddaa yyvvee-
llaaffeerrss nnaaTTeellii mmooeeffiinneebbaa.. mmaa-
nnaammddee kkii vviiss ddaarrCCeebbaa ggaammaarrjjvvee-
bbaa,, jjeerr kkiiddeevv ggaauurrkkvveevveelliiaa..
iimmeeddiiaannaadd aarriiaann rrooggoorrcc `̀nnaaccii-
oonnaalleebbii~~,, iissee kkooaalliicciiaa `̀qqaarr-
TTuullii ooccnneebbiiss~~ wwaarrmmoommaaddggeenn-
lleebbii..
realurad gamoikveTa erTi
ram, kerZod is, rom `nacmoZra-
oba~ gamarjvebis miRwevisaTvis
yvelaferze wamsvlelia, aqedan
gamomdinare ki darRvevebi uk-
ve daiwyes. ra tipis darRveve-
bi gamoikveTa amJamad? rogor
ibrZvian gamarjvebisTvis?
am SekiTxvebs Cven faqtebiT
vupasuxebT.
1. vin arian saarCevno komi-
siebSi `nacionaluri moZrao-
bis~ momxre 6 kaci, romelnic
`saolqos~ warmomadgenlebad
iTvlebian?
_ eseni arian sxvadasxva
saministroebSi da adgilobriv
TviTmmarTvelobaSi momuSave
specialistebi, romelnic sa-
arCevno komisiebSi damoukide-
bel wevrebad moavlines. es
xriki `nacionalebma~ winasaar-
Cevnod moifiqres. am adamianTa
zogierTi nawili winasaarCev-
nod ufaso SvebulebaSi gauS-
ves, radgan TviTmmarTvelobaSi
momuSave TanamSromlebs saar-
Cevno kampaniaSi CarTva ekrZa-
lebaT.
amdenad, saarCevno komisieb-
Si mmarTveli partiis mier da-
niSnuli wevrebis garda `naci-
onalebis~ sasargeblod `damo-
ukidebeli~ upartio wevrebic
imuSaveben, maT raodenoba ki
iqneba 7 kaci. amas kvlav ema-
teba qristian demokratiuli
moZraobis 1, amave partiis Svi-
lobili partiis `qristian-de-
mokratiuli saxalxo partiis~
_ 1, `evropeli demokratebis 1
wevri, romelnic sruliad
uWeren mxars `nacionalebs~ da
es yovelive saarCevno ubnebze
Catarebul pirvel sxdomaze
naTlad gamoikveTa. isini sru-
li SeTanxmebiT, erToblivad
moqmedeben. dRemde neitralur
pozicias inarCuneben leibo-
ristebi~, romelTac xelisuf-
leba aras erCis da arc zRu-
davs im dros, roca `qarTuli
ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebze ar-
naxuli zewola mimdinareobs.
aqac faqtebs moviSveliebT.
ffaaqqttii __ 11
2012 wlis 5 seqtembers,
01.00 saaTze yvarlis raionSi,
sof. SildaSi policiam daaka-
va koalicia `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ yvarlis r-nis zonis ko-
ordinatori levan xuciSvili
da amave koaliciis wevri da
aqtivisti _ zaza rostiaSvili
mis kuTvnil sacxovrebel bina-
Si da gadaiyvana policiis wi-
naswari dakavebis izolatorSi.
maTi dakaveba moxda baCo
nikoloziSvilis Cvenebis sa-
fuZvelze, romelic aris `na-
cionaluri moZraobis~ koor-
dinatoris biZaSvilis meuRle
da misi ganmartebiT levan xu-
ciSvilma mas `nacionali~
uwoda.
ffaaqqttii __ 22
26 agvistos kaspSi daaka-
ves klinika `aversis~ mTavari
eqimi begi TaTriSvili _ gene-
ratoris qurdobis braldebiT.
igi policiam samsaxurSi aiyva-
na _ begi TaTriSvili gorSi
winaswari dakavebis izola-
torSi gadaiyvanes, misi saxli
gaCxrikes da iqidan 800 dola-
ris odenobiT Tanxa amoiRes.
arsebobs safuZvliani eWvi
imisa, rom kaspis raionis mTa-
vari eqimi koalicia `qarTul
ocnebasTan~ kavSiris gamo da-
akaves, radganac dakavebamde
erTi dRiT adre, begi TaTriS-
vils xelisuflebis warmomad-
genlebma im TanamSromelTa sia
mosTxoves, romlebic saakaSvi-
lis dasaxvedrad wavidodnen,
razedac man uari ganacxada!
misi Svili ki koalicia `qar-
Tuli ocnebis~ kaspis organi-
zaciis wevria da maTi maJori-
tari kandidatis daviT onof-
riSvilis saarCevno Sexvedreb-
Si monawileobs.
koalicia `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ warmomadgenlebi acxade-
ben, rom begi TaTriSvili av-
toritetuli pirovnebaa da
kaspSi is seriozul safrTxes
warmoadgens `nacionaluri
moZraobisaTvis~.
ffaaqqttii __ 33
`xramhesis~ generalurma
direqtorma ddeevvii kkaannddeellaakkmmaa,,
koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~
9 aqtivisti gaaTavisufla sam-
saxuridan. aqedan 7 wevri iyo
`xramhesis 1~-is TanamSromeli,
2-ki `xramhesi-2~-is TanamSro-
meli, motivi samsaxuridan
gaSvebisa aris martivi _ Sta-
tebis Semcireba! oRondac, es
Semcireba, mxolod `qarTuli
ocnebis~ mxardamWerebs exebaT
zogadad, es yvelgan asea.
sinamdvileSi es gaxlavT
adamianebis politikuri niSniT
devna.
ffaaqqttii __ 44
bolnisSi `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ maJoritarobis kandidati
aris darejan Cxetiani, misi
Zma da siZe muSaobdnen iq sa-
xanZro-samaSvelo samsaxurSi,
oriveni gauSves samsaxuridan.
amave raionidan daiTxoves sam-
saxuridan bevri ocnebis `oc-
nebis~ momxreebi, maT Soris
baga-baRis TanamSromeli _
aleqsiSvili eka, pedagogi asa-
niZe, gazis sammarTvelos Ta-
namSromeli zina kopaliani,
`madneulis~ TanamSromeli _
CakvetaZe, sakrebulos TanamS-
romeli _ kapanaZe.
ffaaqqttii __ 55
axalqalaqis raionis ni-
nowmindaSi `qarTul ocnebas~
ofisis moZiebaSi exmareboda
iqauri mkvidri lleevvoonn vvaarrTTaannii-
aannii,, is arc koaliciis wevria
da arc araferi. miuxedavad
amisa, is dakavebuli iqna am
faqti gamo da miyvanil iqna
gamgeobis SenobaSi, sadac imJa-
mad imyofeboda `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ maJoritarobis kan-
didati miqoiani, aseve, poli-
ciis ufrosi am regionis da
gamgebeli.
am faqtis Sesaxeb operati-
ulad acnobes gogla Jvanias,
`qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomad-
genels am regionSi, romelic
movida SemTxvevis adgilze,
magram is iq ar SeuSves, manqa-
niT gza gadauketes. amis mere
datyvevebuli varTaniani po-
liciis manqanaSi Casves da
somxeTis sazRvrisken waiyva-
nes, romelsac manqaniTve, dae-
devna Stabis ufrosi gogla
Jvania, magram mas manqaniT gza
gadauketes da ar misces miax-
loebis saSualeba. saqarTve-
los moqalaqe levon varTania-
ni ki somxeTis sazRvarze ga-
daiyvanes da iq datoves. amJa-
mad is veRar Semodis saqarT-
veloSi garkveuli mizezebis
gamo.
ffaaqqttii __ ##66
mniSvnelovani incidenti
moxda axalqalaqis raionis sa-
olqo-saarCevno komisiis
sxdomaze, sadac nacionalebis
warmomadgenelma qalbatonma,
jer sityvieri Seuracxyofa
miayena `qarTuli ocnebis~
warmomadgenlebs, Semdeg ki
Cxubi atexa iseTi, rom moxda
komisiis wevrebs Soris Sex-
la-Semoxla da fizikurad er-
TmaneTisaTvis angariSis gas-
woreba. samwuxaro is gaxlavT,
rom am faqtis aRniSvnis dros
ceskos Tavmjdomarem batonma
xaratiSvilma `ocnebis~ xalxi
daadanaSaula, Tumca, is ar
aris mxare da amisi ufleba
mas ar aqvs. am saqmis ganxil-
visas, `nacionalurma~ isic aR-
niSnes, rom `ocnebis~ warmo-
madgenlebis mxridan adgili
hqonda qsenofobias. faqtobri-
vad, es ase ar yofila, erovne-
bas aranairi mniSvneloba ar
hqonda, radganac olqis Tavmj-
domare iq gaxlavT `naciona-
li~ maramgoziani da is moiqca
ise, rogorc am partias sCve-
via, miuxedavad erovnebisa.
am faqtebis gverdiT ar Se-
iZleba ar gavixsenoT `naciona-
luri moZraobis~ axali meTo-
debi xalxis mosyidvisa. ker-
Zod: 11.. rraattoomm wwaaiiyyvvaanneess mmaaTT aagg-
vviissttooss TTvveeSSii ddaassaassvveenneebbllaadd
bbaannaakkeebbSSii bboorrjjoommiiss rraaiioonnSSii
TTaavviissiivvee ppaarrttiiiiss kkoooorrddiinnaattoo-
rreebbiiss SSvviilleebbii?? 22.. rraattoomm CCaaaa-
ttaarraa mmoossaaxxlleeoobbiiss aaRRwweerraa
gguurrjjaaaanniiss rraaiioonniiss ssoofflleebbSSii
aammaavvee rraaiioonniiss ssaappaattrruulloo ppoo-
lliicciiiiss ggaannyyooffiilleebbaamm?? rraattoomm
ssTTxxoovvddnneenn iissiinnii mmoossaaxxlleeoobbaass
ppiirraaddoobbiiss mmoowwmmoobbeebbss?? 33.. rraattoomm
aarr ddaaddggeess ddRReemmddee tteelleeffoonneebbii
ssaauubbnnoo-ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo kkoommiissiieebbiiss
uubbnneebbzzee iimmiissaaTTvviiss,, rroomm xxaallxxmmaa
ddaarreekkooss ddaa mmooiiTTxxoovvooss ssaaxxllSSii
ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo yyuuTTiiss mmiittaannaa??
vviiss aaZZlleevvss xxeellss xxaallxxiiss
aarrmmoossvvllaa aarrCCeevvnneebbzzee??
mTavar kiTxvad ki rCeba is,
rom aarriiss TTuu aarraa `̀cceesskkoo~~ mmxxaa-
rree ddaa aarraa ddaammoouukkiiddeebbeellii ssuu-
bbiieeqqttii aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss ddrrooss?? _
amas, albaT, axlo momavali
gviCvenebs.
nino kasraZe
nacionalebiswinasaarCevno oinebi
llaallii mmoorrooSSkkiinnaa nnaacciioonnaalleebbiiss xxeelliissuufflleebbaaSSii ddaarrCCeenniiss SSeemmTTxxvveevvaaSSii
eevvrrooppaaSSii ppoolliittiikkuurr TTaavvSSeessaaffaarrss mmooiiTTxxoovvss
Jurnalist lali moroSkinas mtkicebiT, is saqarTvelos
erovnul universitetSi profesoris Tanamdebobidan poli-
tikuri Sexedulebebis gamo gaaTavisufles.
rogorc moroSkinam dRes mediapalitris ofisSi gamar-
Tul preskonferenciaze ganacxada, man ramdenjerme, maT So-
ris Ria eTerSi, koalicia “qarTul ocnebas” mxardaWera ga-
moucxada. garda amisa, mmarTvel gundSi arc mis mier gamo-
cemuli wignebi moswondaT.
moroSkinas mtkicebiT, imis Sesaxeb, rom igi samsaxuridan
gaTavisuflebuli iyo universitetis reqtorma gia kavTuaS-
vilma acnoba da SesTavaza, rom “ar exmaura da xelfass Se-
unarCunebdnen”. Jurnalistis TqmiT, es misTvis Seuracxmyofelia.
misive gancxadebiT, im SemTxvevaSi Tu pirveli oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg “nacmoZra-
oba” saparlamento umravlesobaSi aRmoCndeba, igi evropis romelime saxelmwifos poli-
tikur TavSesafars sTxovs.
`medianiusi~
13saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
am ramdenime dRis win sruliad
saqarTvelos patriarqi ilia II
bolniss estumra da uZvelesi mar-
Tlmadidebluri taZari bolnisis
sioni mrevlTan da iq Casul samRv-
delo Tu saero pirebTan erTad mo-
iloca!
am istoriaSi TiTqosda gasakvi-
ri araferia, magram namdvilad ga-
mikvirda am mogzaurobis ramdenime
epizodi da marTali giTxraT, aRv-
SfoTdi kidec!
aRvSfoTdi imitom, rom sapat-
riarqos delegaciis oficialuri
maspinZeli, `oqros gombeSod~ wo-
debuli, `nac.moZraobisa~ da ruse-
Tis xelisuflebis mier saqarTve-
loSi movlenili, saakaSvilis biZis
Temur alasanias Zmakaci `efesbeSni-
ki~ generalovis moadgile, amJamad
bolnisis r-nis maJoritari kandi-
dati koba nayofia gaxldaT da ara
is mrevli, romelic patriarqs fex-
dafex misdevda yvelgan, sadac ki is
im dRes mibrZandeboda.
televiziiT gadaica is kadre-
bic, roca xelSi Cvilatatebuli
qalebi, moxuci adamianebi Tu xeib-
rebi didi mondomebiT iltvodnen
patriarqTan Sesaxvedrad, moTmine-
biT elodnen mis miaxloebas, magram
e.w. saxelmwifo `dacva~, Tu koba
nayofias piradi `dacva~, maT patri-
arqamde xSir SemTxvevaSi, ar uSveb-
da, rac araTu miuRebeli, aramed
amazrzeni sanaxavic ki iyo.
da mainc, ratom maincdamainc
koba nayofia SearCia samaspinZlod
adgilobrivma Tu regionulma xeli-
suflebam sapatriarqos samdivnos-
Tan erTad?
albaT, imitom, rom `nacionalu-
ri xelisufleba~ ukeT umaspinZleb-
da da izrunebda yoveliveze, maT
Soris stumarTa usafrTxoebaze,
magram am winasaarCevnod Tavad sa-
patriarqom ratom ganacxada Tanx-
moba, `generalur maspinZlad~ maJo-
ritarobis kandidati, Tanac milio-
neri nayofia hyolodaT da ara,
vTqvaT, bolnisis eparqia?
ufro metic, gana am damSeul
qveyanaSi sircxvili ar aris, umaR-
lesma samRvdelo pirma _ yaCaRobiT
gamdidrebuli adamianebisgan oqros
zodi miiRos saCuqrad da isic war-
weriT: `saqarTvelos patriarqi
ilia II~.
diax, specialurad patriarqisT-
vis Camosxmuli 1 kg. oqros zodi
gadasca avazakma `nacionalma~ koba
nayofiam ilia II-s. gulaxdilad
vambob, gamikvirda, Zalian gamikvir-
da es faqti da amavdroulad, gavb-
razdi kidec. imitom, rom jer er-
Ti _ gaaCnia vin gTavazovs saCuqars
da meorec, imasac gaaCnia, am gatya-
vebul qveyanaSi, ra saxis saCuqars
mogarTmeven keTilganwyobis sanacv-
lod!!!
Tu mexsiereba ar mRalatobs,
wminda sinodma winasaarCevnod `spe-
cialuri kanonic~ ki miiRo imis Se-
saxeb, rom samRvdelo pirebs kate-
goriulad ekrZalebaT saarCevno
propaganda, romelime politikuri
gvamis mimarT, agreTve ekrZalebaT
simpatiebis gamoxatva da axla, ro-
ca 3 kviraSi arCevnebi iqneba, sino-
dis, sapatriarqos da TviT ilia II
CabrZaneba bolnisSi, maTi keTilgan-
wyoba nayofias mimarT rogor unda
SevafasoT _ ubralo SemTxveviTo-
bad Tu specialur vizitad, rome-
lic miznad `nac.moZraobis~ kandi-
datis mxardaWeras gulisxmobda?!
suliT xorcamde SemZra sul
axlaxan waRveridan TxuTmetiode
kilometrSi, sofel maqarwyalSi,
sakuTari xeliT aSenebul keliaSi
gamomwvari usaTnoesi beri merkvi-
ris Semzaravma sikvdilma da misma
werilma, romlis adresatic saqar-
Tvelos kaTolikos-patriarqi ilia
II-a.
rogorc ukve iTqva, beri merkvi-
ri sakuTar keliaSi gamomwvari ipo-
ves... pasuxgaucemeli darCa misi
kiTxvebic, arada, es kiTxvebi ara
mxolod bers, erSic mravladaa da
gvipasuxeT, patriarqo, ratom
iRebT ZRvens eklesiebis damangreve-
lebisgan, xatebis fexebiT gamTela-
vebisagan, qarTvelTa damaqcevrebisa-
gan da marTlmadideblobasTan mebr-
Zoli nac-satanistebisgan?
aki, ufali Cveni ieso qriste
mogiwodebT: nuca oqrosa da nuca
vercxls nu daxarbdebiTo?!
ra mogitanaT bolnisSi koba na-
yofias naCuqarma oqros zodma _
nuTu mrevlis ufro meti siyvaru-
li?
Tqveno uwmindesobav, mSieri
qveynis patriarqi brZandebiT, upa-
tronod migdebuli invalidi bavSve-
bis da uTavSesafro moxucebis pat-
riarqi brZandebiT, daavadebuli da
usasood darCenili qarTveli marT-
lmadideblebis patriarqi brZande-
biT da imedi maqvs, am oqros zods
auqcionze gaatanienbT da iqidan Se-
mosuli Tanxebi gaWirvebuelbs da
upovrebs moxmardeba.
ppaattiivviisscceemmiiTT,,
mmaarrTTllmmaaddiiddeebbeellii qqrriissttiiaannii
irine gogosaSvili
Cveni gazeTi erT-erTi pir-
veli iyo, romlis furclebi-
danac sazogadoebam dadasture-
bulad Seityo, rom lopotas
xeobaSi CeCen mebrZolTa jgufi
gamiznulad, mZinare mdgomareo-
baSi Caxoces. eWvebi amis Sesa-
xeb, Ss saministros mier gavr-
celebuli kadrebis gamoCenis-
Tanave gaCnda, radgan daxocili
meomrebis umetesoba saZile
tomrebSi iwvnen. Tumca, danad-
vilebiT amaze saubris ufleba
mxolod mas Semdge miveci Tavs,
rac ambis TviTmxilvels vesa-
ubre. ukve ori kvira gadis
lopotas sisxliani specopera-
ciidan, da sazogadoebis kiTx-
vebze pasuxi jerac ar aris ga-
cemuli: ratom da visi davale-
biT gadmokveTes sazRvari Ce-
Cenma mebrZolebma; rogor moa-
xerxes am raodenobis sabrZo-
lo teqnikiT sazRvris gadmok-
veTa SeumCnevlad; sad midiod-
nen; ratom aris amdeni Seusaba-
moba mZevalTa monaTxrobSi?!
mmaammuukkaa aarreeSSiiZZee –– eeqqssppeerrttii
kkaavvkkaassiiiiss ssaakkiiTTxxeebbSSii:: specope-
raciis kadrebidan jer-jero-
biT kidev uamravi pasuxgauce-
meli kiTxva arsebobs. magram
danamdvilebiT SeiZleba iTq-
vas, rom es razmi midioda sam-
xreTidan CrTiloeTisaken da
ara piriqiT. maT rom siriaSi
gadasvla sdomodaT, isini
aeroportSi mividodnen kos-
tiumebiT da xelsac aravin
SeuSlidaT gamgzavrebaSi. ase-
ve zustad SeiZleba iTqvas
rom razmi kvalificiuri meb-
rZolebiT iyo dakompleqtebu-
li. maT kvalifikacias amtki-
cebs SeiaraRebac. razmi maRa-
li donis iaraRiT iyo aRWur-
vili, romliTac elitaruli
spec-razmebia SeiaraRebuli.
mniSvnelovania am iaraRebis
fasic. rusuli warmoebis
iaraRebisa da SaSxanebis gar-
da, Ss mier gavrcelebul vi-
deomasalaSi Cans avstriuli
SaSxanac, romlis fasi daax-
loebiT, 3 000 aSS dolaria.
es sakmaod elitaruli SaSxa-
naa, magaliTad gru-s spec-
razmebis SeiaraRebaSi es SaS-
xana mxolod SarSan gamoCda,
imdenad Zviria igi. garda ami-
sa, maT hqondaT Zalian serio-
zuli iaraRi, “teplovizori”,
Ramis da dRis xedvis aparati,
misi fasi daaxloebiT 8 000
dolaria. mniSvnelovania isic,
rom am iaraRis xmarebas erT
da or dReSi ver iswavli. mi-
si gamoyenebis Seswavlas Tve-
naxevari, ori Tve sWirdeba. es
imaze migvaniSnebs rom es raz-
mi wina dRes Sekrebili ar
aris. im kadrebidan gamomdina-
re, rac eTerSi Cans, SemiZlia
giTxraT, rom TiToeul maT-
gans 50 kilogrami tvirTi
mihqonda. rac imis maniSnebe-
lia, rom es adamianebi Zalian
seriozul saqmeze midiodnen
da apirebdnen, rom garkveuli
periodis ganmavlobaSi samya-
ros mowyvetilebi yofiliyv-
nen, daaxloebiT erTi kviris
an aTi dRis ganmavlobaSi.
razmis kvalifikaciis, mom-
zadebis da aRWurvis done im-
denad maRali iyo, rom xazgas-
miT vambob, es razmi 11 kacs
konkretul brZolaSi ar da-
kargavda. gardacvlilTa nawi-
li moulodnelad iyo Caxoci-
li. am adamianebisaTvis rom Se-
takeba moulodenli iyo, amas
mowmobs isic, rom maTi nawili
saZile tomrebSi iyo da garda
amisa isic, rom zogierT gvams
Zalian bevri tyvia aqvs moxved-
rili. brZolaSi iSviaTia, rom
adamians bevri tyvia moxvdes,
Tu iq ar aris moulodnelobis
efeqti, an Tu igi uiaraRo ar
aris.
__ rrooggoorr mmooxxddaa,, rroomm mmssggaavv-
ssii kkvvaalliiffiikkaacciiiiss rraazzmmiiss yyvveellaa
wweevvrrssMMAA eerrTTddrroouullaadd ddaaiiZZiinnaa??
_ isini, savaraudod, awar-
moebdnen molaparakebas xeli-
suflebis romelime warmomad-
genelTan. molaparakebaSi mona-
wileobda calxela axmedi, ro-
melic zustad im droisaTvis
iyo wamosuli detalebis dasa-
zusteblad da mosalaparakeb-
lad. amitom razmis wevrebi xi-
faTs ar elodnen.
__ TTqqvveennii aazzrriiTT,, rraammddeennaadd
SSeessaaZZlleebbeelliiaa aasseeTTii SSeeiiaarraaRRee-
bbiiTT rraazzmmmmaa ssaazzRRvvaarrii SSeeuummCCnneevv-
llaadd ggaaddaakkvveeTTooss??
_ rac Seexeba imas, Tu ro-
gor gadaadgildebodnen isini,
an saqarTvelos xelisflebam
unda aRiaros, rom qveyanaSi
aranairi usafrTxoebis sistema
ar arsebobs, an saqmeSi Tavisi
warmomadgenlis Tanamonawileo-
baze unda gaakeTos gancxadeba.
is rom es adamianebi mTispira
tyeebiT gadaadgildebodnen, es
ar aris gasamarTlebeli mize-
zi. aseTi razmis ekipirebas,
Cacma-daxurvas da Semdeg mis
daZvras, viRac mainc Seaswreb-
da Tvals. ase, rom, es razmi
lafanyuramde TavisiT ver mivi-
doda.
__ SSeeggvviiZZlliiaa TTuu aarraa iimmiiss
TTqqmmaa,, rroomm aamm rraazzmmiiss CCaammooyyvvaannaa
ddaa eekkiippiirreebbaa xxeelliissuufflleebbiiss
ddaakkvveeTTiiTT mmooxxddaa??
_ amis Tqma Zalian sapasu-
ximgebloa. msgavsi gancxadeba
did yuradRebas miiqcevs, ara
mxolod qarTuli sazogadoe-
bis, aramed sxva qveynebisac,
maT Soris ruseTis. erT mSve-
nier dRes ruseTis xelisuf-
lebis warmomadgenlebi amas
xelze daixveven da Cvens wina-
aRmdge gamoiyeneben. Tumca,
isic saTqmelia, rom xelisuf-
lebis monawileobis gareSe es
razmi saqarTvelos teritori-
aze ver moxvdeboda. sakiTxavi
mxolod isaa, xelisuflebis
romeli rgoli iyo am saqmeSi
gareuli.
__ SSeessaaZZlleebbllaadd mmiiggaaCCnniiaaTT,,
rroomm eess aammbbaavvii pprreezziiddeennttss aarr
ssccooddnnooddaa??
_ dazustebiT ver vityvi,
magram egec SesaZlebelia. mso-
flioSi yofila msgavsi prece-
dentebi. magaliTad, amerikis
SeerTebuli Statebis prezi-
denti ramdenjerme ar iyo mniS-
vnelovani specoperaciis saqmis
kursSi, igive SeiZleba iTqvas
israelis prezidentzec. eWvs
imis Sesaxeb, rom specoperacia,
xelisuflebis romelime rgo-
lis da ara mTlianad xelisuf-
lebis sindiszea, isic iwvevs,
rom specoperacia spontanuro-
bis elementebs Seicavda. Cvens
mTavrobas uyvars “sufTad” mu-
Saoba. am specoperaciam ki imde-
ni kiTxvebi datova sazogadoe-
baSi da imden Seusabamobas Se-
icavda Ss sammarTvelos mier
gakeTebuli gancxadebebi da vi-
deomasalebi, rom savaraudod,
specoperacia Catarda sponta-
nurad, detalebis ganuxilve-
lad da saerTo SeTanxmebis ga-
reSe. garda amisa, roca raRac
xdeba – aucileblad unda da-
isvas kiTxva – vin moigo? amje-
rad, am kiTxvaze pasuxi ar
sCans. xelisuflebas namdvilad
araferi mougia. piriqiT, Tu
ityvis, rom razmma TavisiT mo-
axerxa lafanyuramde misvla,
gamodis, xelisuflebam da qvey-
nis uSiSroebam sakuTari usu-
suroba unda aRiaros, xolo
Tu am razmTan xelisuflebis
kavSiri dadginda, es faqti sa-
akaSvilis imijze didi darty-
ma iqneba.
__ TTqqvveennii aazzrriiTT,, mmaaiinncc rraaSSii
SSeeiiZZlleebbooddaa ddaassWWiirrvveebbooddaa xxee-
lliissuufflleebbaass mmssggaavvssii rraazzmmiiss
SSeeqqmmnnaa??
_ Tavdasacavad, saidumlo
davalebebis Sesasruleblad.
ramdenime wlis winaT iyo sau-
bari imazec, rom xelisuflebas
surs Seqmnas ucxouri legio-
ni. mogexsenebaT, arsebobs
msgavsi regionebi safrangeTsa
da espaneTSi. Tumca, mas Semdeg
am legionis Seqmnaze araferi
msmenia. ase, rom dazustebiT
verafers vityvi.
Tamuna keSelava
`oqros gombeSos~ miermiZRvnili oqros zodi
patriarqi ilia II nacmoZraobis
bolnisis maJoritarobis kandidatma
nayofiam oqros zodiT daasaCuqra!
lopotas xeobaSi momxdariistoriis axali detalebi
14 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
gvesaubreba partia `̀Tavisu-
fali saqqarTvelos~ Tavmjdoma-
re kaxa kukava::
_ kaxa, bolo dros xeli-
sufleba da opoziciac saerTa-
Soriso damkvirveblebis vizi-
tiT aRfrTovanebas ver malaven,
romelTac Cveni arCevnebis sa-
marTlianoba unda gansazRvron.
Aqamde, maTgan mxolod es fraza
dagvamaxsovrda _ garkveuli
xarvezebi iyo, magram saboloo
jamSi arCevnebi demokratiulad
Catardao. ras unda velodoT
amJamad?
_ vfiqrob, saerTaSoriso
organizaciebis imedi ar unda
gvqondes, umjobesia maTze adek-
vaturi warmodgena viqonioT. vin
arian isini? _ isini arian evro-
pelebi da amerikelebi. evrope-
lebi saqarTvelos Sida saqmeeb-
Si veranairad ver Caerevian, maq-
simum SeuZliaT Zalian rbili
gancxadebebis gakeTeba. rac See-
xeba, aSS-s, maT gavlenis berke-
tebi aqvT, Tumca unda gvesmo-
des, rom aSS-sTvis mTavari iqne-
ba ara is Tu ramdenad demokra-
tiulad Catardeba CvenTan ar-
Cevnebi, aramed is, Tu romeli
Zala CaiTvleba ufro pro-ameri-
kulad. dRes, NDI-s, `ai-rais~
kvlevebiT, aseve, makkeinis, oba-
mas, klintonis gancxadebebiT da
zogadad amerikuli polit.eli-
tis poziciidan gamomdinare, na-
Telia _ aSS miiCnevs, rom misi
strategiuli mokavSire, am re-
gionSi, mixeil saakaSvilia. sa-
nam es pozicia ar Seicvleba, ma-
namde fiqri imaze, rom amerike-
li damkvirveblebi saqarTvelo-
Si Catarebul arCevnebze kriti-
kul daskvnas daweren, warmoud-
genelia. 2003 weli gamonaklisi
iyo zustad imitomac, rom Jva-
nia, saaakaSvili (maSin maT so-
rosis premiebi miiRes) proame-
rikul Zalebad, xolo Sevardna-
Ze yofil sabWoTakavSirel fun-
qcionerad iTvleboda. dRes, vi-
Tareba piriqiTaa Secvlili. sa-
akaSvili im qveynis lideria,
romelic avRaneTSi da eraySi
umsxviles misiebs agzavnis, xo-
lo biZina ivaniSvili maTTvis
rusi oligarqia, romelmac saku-
Tari kapitalis Cadeba saqarTve-
loSi gadawyvita.
_ am fonze ras niSnavda mak-
keinis gancxadeba?
_ makkeinis gancxadeba simp-
tomaturi iyo. man Tqva _ iva-
niSvilma dagvarwmuna, rom ru-
seTTan yovelgvari kavSiri gawy-
vita. es Zalian saintereso gan-
cxadebaa, sadac ori momenti
Cans _ pirveli _ ivaniSvili
makkeinTan Sexvedrisas Tavs
imarTlebda, saubari iyo ara ar-
Cevnebze, aramed imis darwmuneba-
ze, rom ruseTTan araferi akav-
Sirebs da meore, TavisTavad,
faqti, rom ivaniSvili ruseTTan
iyo kavSirSi orive mxaris mier
aRiarebulia. mkiTxvelma ise ar
gaigos, TiTqos me ivaniSvils
bralad vuyeneb ruseTTan kav-
Sirs. ra Tqma unda, es ase araa.
aramed me Semdegs vambob _ aSS-
sTvis ivaniSvili braldebulia,
mixeil saakaSvili ki maTi sisx-
lxorceuli mokavSire. aqedan
gamomdinare, prognozireba ar
unda gagviWirdes, Tu vis mxares
daiWers aSS.
_ avRaneTSi da eraySi umsx-
vilesi misiebis gagzavnac xom
ar aris imis winapiroba, rom
aSS arCevnebis gayalbebis SemTx-
vevaSi Tvals daxuWavs da kvlav
demokratiuli arCevnebis Cata-
rebas mogvilocavs.
_ ra Tqma unda, zustad asea,
saqarTvelos xelisuflebis mi-
sia swored amas emsaxureba. es
momenti adekvaturad unda Se-
fasdes. rodesac rigi opozici-
uri partiebi gveubnebian, TiT-
qos makkeini ama Tu im sakiTxTan
mimarTebaSi Tavis sasargeblod
daarwmunes, es ubralod xalxis
motyuebaa. maT makkeini verafer-
Si ver daarwmunes. es ubralod
Tavis motyuebaa. aSS SeiZleba
daTanxmdes, rom ruseTTan kav-
Sirgawyvetili `qarTuli ocne-
ba~ meore adgilze gaiyvanos.
_ maSin risi imedi aqvs opo-
zicias, es marto `qarTul oc-
nebas~ xom ar exeba, `Tavisufa-
li saqarTveloc~ xom pro-rru-
suli Zalad moiazreba.
_ Cven unda mivmarToT kla-
sikas, roca qveyana damoukidebe-
li araa, aseT qveyanaSi erov-
nul-ganmanTavisuflebeli moZra-
oba unda daiwyos, romelic qvey-
nis realur damoukideblobas
moipovebs. dRes erovnul-ganman-
Tavisuflebeli moZraobis Cana-
saxs `Tavisufali saqarTvelo~
warmoadgens. Tumca, ra Tqma un-
da, es srulfasovan erovnul-
ganmanTavisuflebel moZraobaSi
mas Semdeg gadaizrdeba, rac sa-
zogadoebis kritikuli masis
mxridan mxardaWeras miviRebT.
vfiqrob, dRes gamofxizlebis
etapze varT. sazogadoebis gark-
veul nawilSi gamofxizleba da-
iwyo, Tumca vfiqrob, umravle-
soba mainc buranSia. sazogadoe-
ba isev im azrebis da ideebis
tyveobaSia _ aSS mxars dagvi-
Wers, ivaniSvilma lobistebi da-
iqirava da a.S. rodesac am bura-
nidan gamovalT da davinaxavT,
rom saqarTvelos dolari ki
ara, aramed damoukidebloba ga-
daarCens, mxolod amis Semdeg
SevZlebT realuri politikuri
procesis daZvras.
_ rac Seexeba lobisturi
kompaniebis daqiravebas, Tu isi-
ni saqarTeloSi Catarebul ar-
Cevnebs ar aRiareben, xom ar
aris safrTxe es xelisuflebam
`lobistur SeTqmulebad~ gamo-
acxados?
_ minda giTxra, rom lobis-
tebs aSS-Si aranairi zegavlena
ar aqvT. miTebi lobistebis Se-
saxeb Zalian gadaWarbebulia.
imdenad diskreditrebuli iqna
maTi saqmianoba, rom roca obama
aSS-s prezidentad airCies,
erT-erTi pirveli iniciativa,
riTac man kongress mimarTa lo-
bistebis akrZalva iyo. lobis-
tebi arian meqrTameebi, sabWoTa
kavSiris drosac iyo xalxi, vi-
sac obexeSi, cekaSi, tekaSi saq-
mis Cawyoba SeeZloT. ise ar un-
da warmovidginoT, TiTqos lo-
bistebi politikur gadawyveti-
lebas iReben. politikur ga-
dawyetilebebs iReben TeTr sax-
lSi, saxelmwifo departament-
Si, senatSi, kongresSi. lobis-
tebs SeuZliaT garkveuli, indi-
vidualuri sakiTxebis gadawyve-
ta, romelzec ar arsebobs aSS-
s Camoyalibebuli, principuli
pozicia. im sakiTxebze, romel-
zec aSS-s mTavrobas Tavis
strategia aqvs Camoyalibebuli,
Zalian sasaciloa vifiqroT,
rom lobistebi masze raime ze-
gavlenis moxdenas SeZleben.
aSS-s evraziis, ruseTis mo-
sazRvre regionebSi Tavisi Camo-
yalibebuli xedva aqvs, romelic
ar Seicvleba imisda miuxedavad
Seicvlebian Tu ara prezidente-
bi.
_ dRes Seqmnili saarCevno
garemos gaTvaliswinebT, bevri
arCevnebis gayalbebaze saubrobs.
Tumca, rigi opoziciuri parti-
ebi imasac amboben, rom aseT Sem-
TxvevaSi meore dRes quCaSi ga-
movlen da dae, msofliom dagv-
Tvalos ramdeni varTo. Tu main-
cdamainc Cvens daTvlaSia xsna,
xom ar sjobda arCevnebamde da-
veTvaleT?
_ vfiqrob, aseTi tipis saub-
rebi daTvlaze, Zalian saxifa-
Toa imitom, rom es niSnavs, rom
calkeul opoziciur Zalebs
konkretuli gegma ar aqvT da
raRac zogadi frazebiT saubro-
ben. daTvla _ es ukiduresad
araseriozulia imitom, rom jer
erTi aravin aravis ar daTvlis,
meorec _ Tu daTvlian, am
ricxvs Seamcireben da samze ga-
yofen da rac mTavaria, sisule-
lea imis molodini, rom vinc
xmas gvaZlevs yvela arCevnebze
modis. levan gaCeCilaZem sapre-
zidento arCevnebze oficialu-
rad 500 aTasi xma aiRo, realu-
rad, albaT es 700 aTasi xma
iyo, magram mitingze 100 aTas
kacze meti ar mosula. vinmes
rom daveTvaleT da eTqva 100
aTasi xma misces levan gaCeCla-
Zeso, es namdvilad xelisufle-
bisTvis kargi koziri iqneboda.
amitom, opoziciurma partiebma
imaze ki ar unda isaubron vin
dagvTvalos, aramed ramdenad mi-
saRebia calkeuli opoziciuri
partiebisTvis 2012 wlis 1 oq-
tombris Semdgom saparlamento
umciresobis reJimSi brZolis
gagrZeleba. ai, es aris mTavari
SekiTxva da ara is, dagvTvlian
Tu ara. sazogadoebas aintere-
sebs risTvis vibrZviT _ meore
Tu pirveli adgilisTvis. `Tavi-
sufali saqarTvelo~ vacxadebT:
im SemTxvevaSi, Tu opoziciuri
partiebi jamSi 50 procentze
ufro naklebs aiReben, mzad
varT Cvens kolega opozicioner
ZalebTan erTad revoluciaSi
miviRoT monawileoba da ara ub-
ralod masobriv aqciebSi, maT
Soris, mzad varT revoluciaSi
monawileoba Cveni piradi usaf-
rTxoebis riskis fasad gavwioT.
sxva opozicioneri partiebisgan
aseTi konkretuli gancxadebebi
ar gakeTebula. saubrebi imis Se-
saxeb, rom dagviTvalon, Segva-
mowmon da a.S. es ufro ZiriTad
SekiTxvaze Tavis aridebas hgavs
_ daTanxmdebian Tu ara isini 30
procentiani saparlamento umci-
resobis Seqmnas.
_ xelisuflebas gayalbebis
amouwuravi berketi aqvs. rogor
fiqrob, Tu marTla 50 procen-
tze dabali iqna opoziciuri
partiebis jami, SeiZleba revo-
luciamde mivideT?
_ es damokidebulia erT
adamianze _ biZina ivaniSvil-
ze. zustad vici, rom `Tavi-
sufali saqarTvelo~ arCev-
nebis gayalbebas ar Seegueba.
aseve, zustad vici, rom
TargamaZe, alasania, `respub-
likelebi~, `leiboristebi~
iseve rogorc wina arCevneb-
ze, axlac aucileblad See-
guebian morig gayalbebas.
magram ar viciT, ra pozici-
as daikavebs biZina ivaniSvi-
li. misi pozicia gadamwyve-
ti iqneba. Tu igi ityvis,
rom arCevnebis Sedegebs un-
da SeveguoT, maSin `Tavisu-
fali saqarTvelo~ marto
verafers Secvlis. Tu igi
ityvis revoluciaze mivdi-
varTo, maSin `respublikele-
bis~ da `memarjveneebis~ po-
zicia sazogadoebisTvis uin-
tereso iqneba. dRes, ZalTa
ganlageba iseTia, rom sazo-
gadoebrivi azris sakontro-
lo paketi biZina ivaniSvils
uWiravs.
_ bevri opozicioneri mainc
darwmunebiT saubrobs 1 oqtom-
bers sakuTar gamarjvebaze. mag-
ram ra igulisxmeba amaSi. xom
SeiZleba zogi warmatebad 10
procentiT Sesvlas Tvlides?
_ ki, swored amas vambob, Ta-
ko. Jurnalistebma maT unda
hkiTxoT _ ras izamT, Tu manda-
tebis 20 procents aiRebT vice-
spikeris postze iyriT kenWs Tu
rusTavelze barikadebze dadge-
biT? esaa mTavari SekiTxva, ro-
melzec yvelas pasuxebi SemiZ-
lia vivaraudo, biZina ivaniSvi-
lis garda.
kaxa kukava:kaxa kukava: pirdapir vacxadeb, Tu saWiro gaxda, revoluciaSi uyoymanod miviReb monawileobas!
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_ kaxa, rac Seexeba saar-
Cevno siebs, aq ufro mZime
suraTi ikveTeba, vidre 1.200
aTasi xmis dauzusteblobaa.
erT-eerT satelevizio eTer-
Si oponents `tele-kkardaka-
ris~ mowyoba SesTavaze.
_ diax, swored dRes
movawyveT `tele-kardaka-
ri~, viyaviT walkis raio-
nis erT-erT sofelSi, sa-
dac 700 amomrCevlidan
mxolod 50 cxovrobs. Tum-
ca, iuridiuli procedure-
biT xelisuflebasTan dava
arafris momcemia. rogorc
dasawyisSi vaxsene am pro-
cess verc saerTaSoriso
damkvirveblebi ver gadawy-
veten. Rrmad mwams, rom xe-
lisuflebis Secvla SesaZ-
lebelia revoluciiT.
_ maSin arCevnebs ra
azri aqvs, miTumetes, Tu
viciT, rom arCevnebi ukve
gayalbebulia?
_ ra Tqma unda, amaze
ori azri ar arsebobs. mgo-
nia, rom aramarto xeli-
sufleba ayalbebs arCevnebs,
aramed opoziciac maSin,
roca eWvis qveS ayenebs sa-
kiTxs _ gaayalbebs Tu ara
xelisufleba arCevnebs. ra
Tqma unda, arCevnebi gayal-
bebulia. ra, ar viciT, rom
xaratiSvili minimum 55
procents dauwers `nacio-
nalur moZraobas~? vinc am-
bobs, rom ar viciT, ar ga-
akeTebs amas xaratiSvilio,
is gulubryvilo ki ara Ta-
namonawilea. vinc axla am-
bobs Cven xmebs davicavTo,
es is xalxia, vinc xmamaRla
ambobda _ Cven SevcvliT am
xelisuflebaso da mere ar-
CevnebSi gamarjveba gigi
ugulavas miuloces. es
xalxi dRes ambobs arCev-
nebs ver gaayalbebeno. ami-
tom es arCevnebis gayalbeba-
Si Tanamonawileobaa. sxva-
TaSoris, hitlers aRweri-
li aqvs propaganda, romel-
sac germanuli da britanu-
li samxedro Stabebi erTma-
neTis winaaRmdeg eweodnen.
saintereso magaliTia. Misi
TqmiT: germanel jariskacs,
rogorc barbaros, velurs
ise aRwerdnen da britaneli
jariskaci moralurad mzad
iyo am saSineli Zalis mqo-
ne mebrZolis gasanadgureb-
lad, radgan misgan Tavi da-
ecva. germaneli samxedro
propaganda britanel ja-
riskacs aRwerda, rogorc
pijakSi gamowyobil, araf-
rismaqnis, uniaTo axalgaz-
rdas da germaneli jariska-
cebi absoluturad araseri-
ozulad iyvnen ganwyobilni,
rac mavnebeli iyo. roca
isini pirispir Sexvdnen
britanel jariskacebs aR-
moaCines, rom saqme hqondaT
ara dondlo, aramed kargad
momzadebul profesionaleb-
Tan. es istoriuli magali-
Tia. Cvenc Tu vityviT, vera-
fersac ver gaayalbeben, aSS
CvenTanaa, yvelaferi mogva-
rebuliao, mere saarCevno
ubanze sruli garRveva rom
gveqneba, amas veranairad ver
davicavT. piriqiT, unda
vTqvaT, rom saqme gvaqvs
kriminalur reJimTan, rome-
lic arCevnebSi minimum xme-
bis 60 procentis moparvas
apirebs da Tavi CaquCiT un-
da gavuWeWyoT. es unda
iyos Cveni strategia.
_ isev gayalbebis Sem-
TxvevaSi quCaSi gamosvlis
gegmas davubrundebi. xom
SeiZleba saakaSvilma es mS-
vidobiani aqcia okupanti
ruseTis mier saqarTvelos
winaaRmdeg provocirebul
qmedebad miiCnios, euTo da
sxva organizaciebi, fexebze
daikidos da qveyanas Tavad
Seuqmnas safrTxe?
_ ki, safrTxe arsebobs.
daRestnis operacia amis
pirveli magaliTia. ra Tqma
unda, saakaSvili amas gaake-
Tebs da gaukeTebia kidec
msgavsi _ ganmuxurSi, xur-
CaSi, axla lafanyurSi.
vinc aseT safrTxeebs ar
elodeba da mere ityvis _
ase rom ar momxdariyo ar-
Cevnebs movigebdiTo, aseTi
xalxi yvela vano merabiS-
vilis Statiani TanamSro-
melia, aseve, isinic, vinc
eubnebian biZina ivaniSvils,
rom yvelaferi kargadaa.
_ kaxa, yovelTvis am-
bobdi, rom opozicia unda
gaerTiandes da erTiani fr-
ontiT Seutios xelisuf-
lebaso.
_ esec ivaniSvilis ga-
dasawyvetia. varaudebi ma-
qvs, Tu ratom ar xdeba es
gaerTianeba. minda giTxraT,
rom Tu gaerTianeba ar Sed-
geba, opoziciam SeiZleba
absoluturad yvela maJo-
ritaruli olqi waagos.
wagebasa da mogebas Soris,
ratomaa aseTi rTuli ga-
dawyvetilebis miReba, CemT-
vis gaugebaria.
_ isic nu dagvaviwydeba,
rom saakaSvili 2013 wlam-
de arsad midis.
_ parlamentSi umravle-
sobiT mosvla, ra Tqma un-
da, realurad Secvlis qve-
yanaSi politikur klimats.
geTanxmebiT, es ar niSnavs,
rom amiT yvelaferi das-
ruldeba. esaa reJimi, rome-
lic bolomde ibrZolebs,
Tumca parlamentSi umrav-
lesobiT mosvla, es am ar-
Cevnebze gadasawyveti amoca-
naa. es Tu miiRweva, brZola
gamarjvebad CaiTvleba.
Tamar SveliZe
ramdenime dRis win saagento
`iverionma~ informacia gaavrce-
la _ Semoqmedelma episkoposma
meufe iosebma (kikvaZe) mrevls
qadagebisas mouwoda _ arCevnebSi
mxari nacmoZraobas dauWireT,
vinc ar Semoxazavs xuTians, imas
wyevla da SeCvenebao da wyevlis
iseTi korianteli dauyenebia, gu-
rulebi ambobdnen Turme _ wyev-
la rogor ar gagvigonia, magram
aseTi saSineli _ araferio.
aseTi mimarTvebi da qadagebe-
bi ambionidan aRar gvikvirs, mag-
ram amas Tu Semoqmedeli episko-
posi ikadrebda, aRar gvegona;
radgan, vinc gurulebis gaWirve-
bas, siRaribe-siglaxakes icnobs,
amas namdvilad ar izamda; an ra
dasawyevli varT gurulebi, ise-
dac cotani varT?!
cxeli politikuri viTare-
bebis dros guriis macxovreble-
bi yovelTvis gamoirCeodnen si-
TamamiT, gamWriaxobiT, `revolu-
cionerobiT~. is ki ara, mewieTe-
li (sofeli Coxatauris raion-
Si) ubralo glexis biWi,
SemdegSi saxelovani mwerali
Wola lomTaTiZe ruseTis dumis
wevri gamxdara, sisxls uSrobda
Turme imperialistebs da Sen, me-
ufeo, wyevla-krulviT wyvdia-
disken mierekebi gurulebs?
karga xani vyoymanobdi, meufe
iosebze meTqva is, rasac mTeli
guria laparakobs, magram iZule-
buli gavxdi, bolos da bolos
momeTxro is, rac aravisTvis
araa dRes dafaruli.
guriis meufe iosebi is
RvTismsaxuria, Zvirfaso mkiTxve-
lo, romelic, rogorc meufis
naTesav-axloblebi amboben, Zali-
an uyvars patriarqs da surs
mudmivad gverdiT hyavdes, magram
guria ar eTmoba Turme meufe
iosebs. guriisadmi siyvaruli
wyevlaSi rom gamoixata, daina-
xeT, magram gasul wels, ivlis-
Si, sinodis Sekrebaze religiis
kanonze xelis mowerac miumateT,
mwvalebeli gareginis da mixeil
saakaSvilis saameblad da meufis
portretis konturebi moxazuli
geqnebaT.
SarSandeli sinodis Sekrebis
Semdeg dro gavida, Seicvala po-
litikuri situacia saqarTvelo-
Si da axlaxan sinodis Sekrebaze
axali ganCineba gamoitanes.
mRvdelmsaxurTa gadawyvetileba
meufe andriam (gvazava) gorisa
da samTavisis mTavarepiskoposma
gaacno sazogadoebas _ samRvde-
lo pirebs ekrZalebaT politi-
kur procesebSi CarTva.
sinodis wevrebis nawili, al-
baT, emorCileba am gadawyvetile-
bas, magram maTi umetesoba rom
urCia, xedavs amas mTeli saqarT-
velo. ara mxolod meufe iosebi,
meufe abraamic _ dasavleT evro-
pis mitropoliti sazRvargareT
qadagebs nacionalebis mxardaWe-
ras, meufe kalistrate ki, rome-
lic quTaTel-gaenaTeli mTavare-
piskoposis titulis garda, Cem-
Tvis jer dauzustebeli infor-
maciiT, nucubiZis platoze feSe-
nebeluri bar-sastumros mflo-
beli romaa da Tavgadakluli na-
cional-episkoposi, es mTelma sa-
qarTvelom icis da ecodineba ze-
ciur mxedrobasac.
meufe iosebi ufro Sors wa-
sula, mowodebebs aRar dasjere-
bia da wyevlaze gadasula nac-
moZraobis da mixeil saakaSvilis
saameblad. gurul meufes, ramde-
nadac vici, xatva emarjveba, To-
rem meufe kalistratesaviT leq-
sebs dauwerda saakaSvils, ro-
melsac gulis fancqaliT Sex-
vedria da didi amalac dauxved-
rebia guriaSi axlandeli stum-
robisas.
me Coxatauridan var da iq
uamravi nacnobi myavs. erTma me-
gobarma amas winaT gulistkivi-
liT miTxra: TandaTan ivseba ek-
lesia mrevliT, magram maincada-
mainc ver vendobiT meufe iosebs,
romelic cxvirsaxociviT icvlis
ucxour manqanebs da Tavisi epar-
qiis mRvdlebi lamis mojamagire-
ebad daisvaso. yvelaze metad iman
damwyvita guli, mama giorgis
(jibuti) mrevlis winaSe sastiki
Seuracxyofa rom miayena patara
mizezis gamoo.
rogorc aRmoCnda, sakuTari
ZviradRirebuli jipiT Zalian
xSirad xedaven gurulebi meufe
iosebs surebis tyeSi, xe-tyis
biznesebis sakurTxeblad, xolo
RorTafonSi (tyes ewodeba) Co-
xatauridan 5-6km-ze berebis ke-
liebi auSenebia, skebi gaumravle-
biaT da baxmaros da nabeRlavis
surnelovani yvavilebis neqtariT
gamdidrebul tonobiT Tafls ma-
masisxlad yidis Turme guriis
eparqiis patroni. meufe iosebma,
romelmac sazogadoebaSi am bo-
lo xans mawyevari meufis saxeli
daimkvidra, imasac amboben, fui,
eSmaks, da, jixeTis dedaTa monas-
terSi axalgazrda monazoni say-
varlad hyavso.
guriaSi dRemde saarakod da-
dis da zRaprad yvebian meufis
dedis 100-kacian dabadebis dRe-
ebze. did pativs scems Turme me-
ufe dedas _ stilistebs da ma-
nikur-pedikurSicebs qiraobs da
Sanelis da versaCes kabebSi ga-
mowyobils svams dResaswaulebsa
da iubileebze. meufis deda ukve
asakovani qali yofila da Coxa-
taurSi misi mezoblebi amboben,
saxlis saqmeebSi TiTo monazoni
yovelTvis exmareba da emorCile-
ba meufe iosebis dedaso, xolo
ojaxis kuTvnil aTasobiT heqtar
miwas berebi amuSavebeno.
rogorc guriaSi amboben, meu-
fe iosebs xelisuflebis warmo-
madgenlebTan erTad wilebi hqo-
nia sxvadasxva biznesebSi da Za-
lian axlo urTierTobebic hqo-
nia ama qveynis ZlierebTan.
mixeils saakaSvilis namest-
nikTan, amJamad, nacionaluri moZ-
raobis maJoritari deputatobis
kandidatTan ramaz nikolaiSvil-
Tan SeTanxmebiT daSales Turme
sofel xidisTavSi kulturis
saxli da kaklis da wablis Zvi-
radRirebuli masala bolo
fiCxamde gauzidavs meufe iosebs.
soflelebs rom ukiTxavT, sad
migaqvT, isev eklesias movaxmaro-
To, meufes gajavrebuls gulze
mjiRi daurtyams: me mimaqvs da
ra gindaT, axla miTxariTo. xma
ver amouRiaT gurulebs, meufes
ver Sepasuxebian.
ase laparakoben kaTalikos-
patriarqis ilia meoris `lubim-
SCik~ meufe iosebze gurulebi,
romlebsac am bolo dReebSi me-
ufis risxva wyevlad daatydaT
Tavs. meufes wyevla rom axdes,
celiT mosiarule miqel-gabri-
els win da ukan mouwevs sirbi-
li, radgan, ramdenadac vici, mTe-
li guria `qarTul-ocnebas~
uWers mxars da ar amboben, To-
rem saakaSvili `xolerasaviT~
ejavreba TviT adgilobrivi xe-
lisuflebis warmomadgenlebsac
ki.
Cems saTayvanebel guriaSi es
xalxuri leqsi yvelam icis, xo-
lo me kidev erTxel Sevaxseneb
Cvens erTgul mkiTxvels:
`dalocvili qriste RmerTi,
oqros taxtiT dabrZandeba,
xelSi saswori uWiravs,
codva-madli iwoneba~.
iranda kalandaZe
ratom wyevlis meufeiosebi gurulebs?
16 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
qveyanaSi mimdinare politi-
kur procesebze Tavis mosazre-
bas gviziarebs saqarTvelos
mweralTa kavSiris Tavmjdoma-
ris moadgile, galaqtion tabi-
Zis premiis laureati, poeti
baRaTer arabuli
mwerali otia ioseliani
xSirad igonebda, gulmosulma
rogor hkiTxa erTxel wyaltu-
boSi, mis saxlSi stumrad myof
saakaSvils:
_ ras uSvrebi saqarTvelos,
kvlav ukan, gamoqvabulisken mig-
yavso?
_ ara, me wina gamoqvabulis-
ken mimyavso! _ viTom xumrobiT
upasuxia saakaSvils...
es ambavi imitom gavixsene,
rom eWvi ar aris, dRes qveynis
meTaurs saqarTvelo namdvilad
ukan, qvis xanisken da gamoqvabu-
lisken mihyavs... nacionalebisgan
qvebis esoden moxSirebuli
srola da maTi qceva amis maniS-
nebelia!..
rac ufro axlovdeba arCev-
nebi, dRiTi dRe miT ufro mZaf-
rdeba da autaneli (SemaSfoTe-
beli) xdeba saarCevno garemo.
mmarTveli partia yvelafers
akeTebs movlenebis eskalaciisT-
vis, misi mTavari konkurentis
ukanono dasjisa da saarCevno ka-
nonebis monopolizaciisaTvis,
rac saqarTvelos da Cven sazo-
gadoebas sasikeTos arafers mo-
utans da qveyanas samoqalaqo da-
pirispirebas uqadis... am yvela-
ferSi ki pasuxismgebloba, upir-
velesad, xelisuflebas ekisreba,
romelic valdebulia, saarCevno
procesi civilur, demokratiul
kalapotSi moaqcios...
saqarTvelos xelisufleba,
mosaxleoba, partiebi erTxel
da samudamod unda mieCvion Ta-
visufali, demokratiuli prin-
cipebiT arCevnebis Catarebas;
saarCevno vadis gasvlis Semdeg
aravisTvis ar unda iyos trage-
dia xelisuflebidan wasvla da
ufleba-movaleobebis civilize-
buli formiT gamarjvebuli Za-
lisTvis gadabareba, rogorc es
ucxoeTis demokratiul qveyneb-
Si xdeba. arc prezidentisTvis,
arc mTavrobisa da parlamentis-
Tvis xalxs samudamod ar miu-
cia ndobis mandati da misi
sxvisTvis gadacema arc trage-
dia unda iyos vinmesTvis da arc
qveynis daqceva...
dRes ki ra xdeba? 9-10-wli-
ani mmarTvelobis Semdeg nacio-
nalur moZraobas gamouCnda
Rirseuli konkurenti biZina
ivaniSvilisa da misi koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~ saxiT da na-
celita agoniaSi, SokSi Cavar-
da! nacionalebma igrZnes, rom
Zalauflebas kargaven da demok-
ratiis, metic, adamianuri ur-
TierTobebis yvela zRvars gada-
vidnen! rogorc Cans, maT ga-
dawyvetili hqondaT (aqvT) xe-
lisuflebaSi samudamod yofna
da ivaniSvilis gamoCena didi
dartyma iyo...
biZina ivaniSvilis finanse-
bis da avtoritetis SiSiT na-
cionalebma kontrolis palata-
Si auditis specialuri samsa-
xuri Seqmnes, romelic mxolod
`qarTuli ocnebis~ represiebiT,
ukanono dajarimebebiT, dayada-
RebebiT aris dakavebuli, maSin,
rodesac am organizaciis umTav-
resi movaleoba saxelmwifo bi-
ujetis xarjvis kontroli un-
da iyos!..
kontrolis palatis am sam-
saxurma, faqtobrivad, gaugona-
ri jarimebi daawesa koaliciis
finansuri SemomwirvelebisTvis,
isini araviTar kanonier dasabu-
Tebas ar iziareben da yvelas,
mxolod `varaudebiT~, ukleb-
liv xuTmagi jarimiT sjian,
rac uprecedento movlenaa ms-
oflio qveynebis saarCevno cx-
ovrebaSi, maSin roca naciona-
lebis Semomwirvelebs mwvane
Suqi aqvT anTebuli da maT par-
tiul salarosTan, viTom neba-
yofilobiT, SemomwirvelTa gr-
Zeli rigebi dgas; quCebi, sat-
ransporto saSualebebi gadafa-
rulia nacionalebis sareklamo
banerebiT, plakatebiT, maSin,
roca arc erTi opoziciuri
partiis baneri an plakati ar-
sad Cans! TiTqmis asevea tele-
viziebSi, radioSi, presaSi da
amas xelisufleba Tanabar
pirobebs eZaxis da xSirad
laparakobs Tavisufali sa-
arCevno garemos aucileb-
lobaze, amasTan, sxvebsac
`mouwodebs~ wesebis dasa-
cavad, rac ucxoelTaTvis
keTdeba, naxeT, ra demokra-
tebi varTo! magram sinamd-
vile sxvaa: `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ TiTqmis yvela Sexved-
ra, ra Tqma unda, xelisuf-
lebis mier provocirebuli
incidentiT, gawev-gamowe-
viT, provokaciiT, qvebis
sroliT, cemiT, Jurnalis-
tebis SeuracxyofiT, gadam-
Rebi videoaparaturis dam-
tvreviT, ocnebis aqtivis-
tebis ukanono daWeriT mT-
avrdeba, rac saarCevno pro-
cess aranormalurs xdis!
qvebis srolas kacobrioba
gamoqvabulidan gamosvlisa
da joguri cxovrebis Semdeg
gadaeCvia, magram saakaSvili,
samwuxarod, am qvebis sroliT,
rogorc ukve iTqva, saqarTve-
los kvlav qvebis xanaSi da ga-
moqvabulSi dabrunebas upi-
rebs!.. es kargad unda dainaxon
Cvenma dasavlelma da amerikel-
ma partniorebma, CvenTan movle-
nilma saerTaSoriso damkvireb-
lebma, radganac saqarTveloSi
`demokratiis Suqura~ didi xa-
nia Caqra da Cven kvlav xelis
cecebiT gviwevs politikur la-
birinTebSi gzis gagneba!..
ormagi standartebiT arCev-
nebis Catareba Cvens qveyanas ve-
rafer sasikeTos moutans! mo-
saxleoba polarizebulia da
amaSi, pirvel rigSi, xelisuf-
lebaa damnaSave! mixeil saakaS-
vili dRes mxolod nacionalu-
ri moZraobis prezidentia _ is
gaemijna danarCen saqarT-
velos, man uaryo danarCe-
ni saqarTvelo; vinc mas
ar uWers mxars, yvela
mtrad, jojod, majlaju-
nad, garewrad, samSoblos
moRalated, warsulis
gadmonaSTad, bneleTis
mociqulad, ruseTis agen-
tad gamoacxada, rac saa-
kaSvilis didi tragediaa;
man sakuTari Tavi saqarT-
velos mosaxleobis um-
ravlesobis gareT daayena
da amiT TviTonve Tqva
uari mTliani saqarTve-
los prezidentobaze! man
dResaswaulebic ki: `did-
goroba~, `beSumoba~, `ba-
xmarooba~, mxolod nacionalur
dResaswaulebad gamoacxada da
sxvebs iq misvla aukrZala. `va-
Jaobac~ ki amis gamo meored Ca-
atares.
rac Seexeba ruseTis agento-
bas: am xelisuflebam Tavisi ne-
biT 37 strategiuli obieqti,
maT Soris gazi, wyali, deni, sa-
komunikacio saSualebebi, wiaRi-
seuli simdidreebi da a.S. ga-
dasca ruseTs! am dros sxvebis-
ken TiTis gaSvera gaRma Sedave-
bis uazro politikaa da meti
araferi! xelisufleba xSirad
apelirebs ivaniSvilis gundis
Zvel kadrebze (?!), maSin rode-
sac nacionalebis gundi, maTi
sadebutato sia, maJoritarebis
umravlesoba SevardnaZis droi-
dan kargad axsovs xalxs; eseni
arian Zveli komkavSirelebi,
moqkavSirelebi, raikomis mdiv-
nebi, deputatebi, ministrebi, da
a.S. romlebic 15-20 welia qar-
Tul politikaSi aqtiurad
trialeben sxvadasxva partieb-
Si; romeli erTi CamovTvaloT:
TviTon mixeil saakaSvili vin
iyo? vin iyo mixeil maWavaria-
ni? xaTuna gogoriSvili? gigi
wereTeli? eldar kvernaZe? me-
rab samadaSvili? andac ruseTis
samTavrobo da uSiSroebis sam-
saxurebTan axlobeli pirebi;
kaxa benduqiZe, grigol vaSaZe,
koba nayofia da sxvebi!..
saakaSvili opozicias _`qar-
Tul ocnebas~ eubneba: meti saq-
me ara maqvs sadme wavide da Ce-
mi aSenebuli Tqven dasangrevad
CagabaroTo! vis eubneba amas sa-
akaSvili? biZina ivaniSvils?
romelmac, rodesac mas aravin
avaldebulebda da veravin daaZa-
lebda 1 miliard 300 milioni
lari daxarja qarTuli saxel-
mwifoebriobis gansamtkiceblad,
jaris, policiis, sxvadasxva in-
frastruqturis mSeneblobis
dasafinanseblad, skolebis, saa-
vadmyofoebis, gzebis, eklesia-
monastrebis mSeneblobisa da
restavraciisTvis, Cinovnikebis
xelfasebisTvis, gaWirvebulTa
da avadmyofTa daxmarebisTvis,
kulturis, xelovnebis, sazoga-
doebis uxelfasod da upensi-
od darCenili cnobili warmo-
madgenlebis stipendiebisTvis!
maSin, rodesac xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi, TviTon prezi-
denti da misi ministrebi, saa-
kaSvilis naTesavebi, ojaxis
wevrebi, romlebsac xelisufle-
baSi mosvlamde araferi gaaCn-
daT, uceb milionerebi gaxdnen!
saidan? zeciuri, RvTaebrivi
madli gadmovida maTze Tu ra
moxda? saxelmwifos, igive Cve-
ni biujetis, ucxouri grante-
bis miTvisebiT, elitaruli ko-
rufciiT, monopoliuri samsa-
xurebis SeqmniT maT saqarTve-
loSi sakuTari saxelmwifo
Seqmnes, sadac mxolod TviTon
grZnoben zRaprulad Tavs! maT
sakuTari komunizmi aiSenes sau-
keTeso xelfasebiT, 100-aTasia-
ni premiebiT; samsaxuris Zvi-
radRirebuli manqanebiT da di-
di qonebiT! maT daaviwydaT, rom
Cvens qveyanaSi dRiTi dRe mrav-
ldebian nagvis urnebSi Cayude-
buli, uxelfaso, umuSevari,
upensio adamianebi, damcirebul-
ni, Seuracxyofilni; daaviwy-
daT, rom arsebobs, xelisufal-
Tagan mitovebuli, ganwiruli
saqarTveloc, romelic maT mxo-
lod arCevnebis dros agondebaT
da 20-30-larian vauCerebiT, da-
pirebebiT, erTTviani dasaqmebe-
biT, kvlavac motyuebiT apireben
xalxis moqrTamvas, sabolood
ki _ arCevnebis gayalbebas!.. aqe-
danve Sesaswavlia xelisufle-
basTan Sekruli, misi dakveTiT
(dafinansebiT) momuSave socia-
luri kvlevis samsaxurebis saq-
mianoba! isini gegmazomierad, wi-
naswar atareben saeWvo kvle-
vebs; partiebis reitingebis Se-
saxeb amkvidreben azrs, TiTqos-
da nacionalur moZraobas or-
jer meti mxardamWeri hyavs,
vidre qarTul ocnebas da sxva
opoziciur Zalebs, rac mosax-
leobis zombirebis, amgvari
mcdari azris damkvidrebis
mcdelobaa arCevnebis gasayal-
beblad! amis Sesaxeb aqedanve
unda gafrTxildnen es organi-
zaciebi da maTi saTao ofisebis
warmomadgenlebic an moxdes
obieqturobiT cnobili sxva, ne-
itraluri socialuri kvlevis
samsaxurebis mowvevac; am sa-
kiTxSi opozicia valdebulia,
erToblivi ZalisxmeviT, saswra-
fod imoqmedos, Torem mere, ro-
desac xelisufleba maTi kvle-
vis, Sedegebis Sesabamis cifrebs
dadebs arCevnebze, aRaraferi
eSveleba! endiais da airais
kvlevebi saqarTveloSi xeli-
suflebis dakveTiT da aq naci-
onalebis arasamTavroebis, ar-
Cevnebis gamyalbebeli, igive
TarxniSvilis colis da sxvaTa
pirdapiri monawileobiT mimdi-
nareobs, rac gansakuTrebuli
eWvis sababs iZleva! asevea eg-
zitpolebis sakiTxic! wina ar-
CevnebSi egzitpolebis gayalbe-
bisaTvis gia nodia da Temur
iakobaSvili ministris Tanamde-
bobebiT daajildoves!
_ aseTi warmatebuli saqar-
Tvelo arasodes yofilao! _
xSirad moismenT prezidentisgan
da misi uRirsebo, fuls da ka-
rieras daxarbebuli, saakaSvi-
lis monebad qceuli nacionale-
bisgan! magram yvelam icis: xe-
lisuflebis ugunurobiT teri-
toriebis ocprocentdakargul
saqarTvelos warmatebuli
ver daerqmeva!.. ucxoeTSi
milionnaxevar moqalaqega-
daxvewil, Svilebdakargul
qveyanas warmatebuli ver
daerqmeva!.. soflis meurneo-
bamoSlil da mrewveloba-
daqceul, biznesdayaCaRe-
bul, umuSevrobiT gawame-
bul saqarTvelos warmate-
buli ver daerqmeva!.. elita-
rul korufciaSi Caflul
da gaRatakebul mosaxleo-
bis patrons, uxelfaso,
upensio, umuSevar, uimedo
da uperspeqtivo adamianebis
samSoblos warmatebuli ver
daerqmeva!..
saqarTvelos mosaxleo-
bam swori daskvna da arCeva-
ni unda gaakeTos!
erT mxaresaa: 9-10-wlia-
ni ukanono, usamarTlo,
ugunuri `moRvaweobiT~, saqarT-
velos teritoriebis dakargviT,
mkvlelobebiT, daWerebiT, daya-
daRebebiT, represiebiT, sakuTa-
ri keTildReobisa da gamdidre-
bisaTvis dauokebeli ltolviT,
xalxis xarjze auracxeli qo-
nebis dagrovebis surviliT
cnobili xelisufleba, da meo-
re mxares dgas biZina ivaniSvi-
li, didi qvelmoqmedi, samebis
taZris amSenebeli, misi erovnu-
li, patriotuli, sazogadoeb-
rivi da saxelmwifoebrivi saq-
mianobiT cnobili mamuliSvili,
romlis fiqri saqarTvelos mo-
mavalze, aRorZinebaze, TiToeu-
li qarTvelis ukeTes cxovreba-
ze ocnebis axdeniskenaa mimar-
Tuli!..
rogorc Cveni didi winapari
ityoda: `Sen gijobs aw rome-
li(Ta)?!~
saakaSvili saqarTvelos qvis xanaSi dabrunebas upirebs...
17saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
vesaubrebiT kino-
dokumentalists, ba-
ton gia Wubabri-as
_ batono gia, ax-
la winasaarCevno pe-
riodia, rac TavisTa-
vad garkveul daZabu-
lobas, amave dros Si-
nagan mobilizacias
gulisxmobs. did po-
litikas didi preten-
ziebi aqvs. Tqveni az-
riT, SerCa saqarTve-
los diplomatiuri
potenciali?
_ iseTi rTuli saxelmwifos
marTva, rogorc saqarTveloa, Zalian
Znelia. samwuxarod, winaT saqarTve-
lo politikuri moRvaweebis impor-
tiori iyo. ruseTis pirveli dumis
Tavmjdomare gaxldaT karlo CxeiZe.
deidaCemisgan maxsovs, yveboda mis
Sesaxeb. sityviT gamodioda, roca
Svilis sikvdili Seatyobines. warbi
ar Seuxria, ise daamTavra gamosvla
da mere mixeda Tavis mwuxarebas. ram-
denadac maxsovs, mere parizSi Tavi
moikla. aseve ruseTis pirvel duma-
Si gaxldaT kaki wereTeli, rome-
lic, sxvaTa Soris, saCxeris raioni-
dan gaxldaT, Worvilas pirdapir
rom sofelia _ gorisa, iqedan.
brwyinvale politikosi da oratori
gaxldaT es pirovneba. da kidev bev-
ri sxva adamiani SeiZleba CamogveTva-
la, vinc qveynis farglebs gareT ake-
Tebda Tavis saqmes, inteleqtualuri
importi xdeboda.
_ iqneb raRac sistemis Secvla-
caa saWiro?
_ erTi ram unda gvaxsovdes: Tu
demokratiul qveyanaSi gvinda cxov-
reba, prezidentebi unda icvlebod-
nen. brwyinvale sistemaa amerikis Se-
erTebul StatebSi _ oTx weliwad-
Si erTxelaa arCevnebi. aseTi cvale-
badoba aris demokratiis maCvenebeli.
aravis ar unda hqondes imis ufleba,
dajdes prezidentis savarZelSi da
fexi ar moicvalos.
es farTo masStabis sakiTxebi
gaxlavT da amaze minda yuradReba ga-
maxvildes, Torem Ciora ras gvelapa-
rakeba ekranidan, naklebad maintere-
sebs. pirvel rigSi, pirovnebebi, mo-
qalaqeebi unda iyvnen: daxvewilebi,
imitom, rom qveyanas xalxi qmnis.
Tundac aviRoT Cveni xandaxan uazro,
tolerantoba. 1997 wels germaniaSi,
dortmundtSi filmis premiera mqon-
da. kargad maxsovs germanelebi ro-
gori SeSinebulebi iyvnen _ 6 mili-
oni Turqia ukve CvenTan Semosuli
da 30 meCeTi aqvT aSenebulio. germa-
nelebs, amxela ers eSinia asimilaci-
is, Cven sami milioni varT. amdeni
xalxi moskovSi erT kvartalSi
cxovrobs. qarTuli miwa zRaprulia,
modis yvela, visac ar ezareba, Cven
xom yvelasTvis kargi maspinZlebi
varT. aman mogvitana teritoriuli
problemebi da kidev ra moxdeba,
RmerTma uwyis. tolerantobasac Ta-
visi sazRvrebi aqvs.
_ CvenTvis umjobesi iqneba erT-
maneTi ufro gviyvardes, vidre sxve-
bi...
_ meCvidmete saukuneSi italieli
misioneri piedro de la vale werda:
qarTvelebi ise rom ebrZodnen mters,
rogorc erTmaneTs ebrZvian, maTi qve-
yana didi xnis win iqneboda Tavisu-
falio. RmerTma mogvca stumarTmoy-
vareobis didi niWi,
Tbili buneba, magram
gvaqvs mankiereba,
orpiroba, orgulo-
ba. merve saukuneSi
ioane sabanisZem Tqva
qarTvelebze: `irxe-
vian viT lerwamni
qarTagan ZlierTa~.
meTvramete saukune-
Si hegelma Tqva,
qarTvelebi meryevi
sulis xalxiao.
dRevandel dRes 21-
e saukuneSi yovel-
dRe vxvdebiT amis
magaliTebs. medro-
veebiTaa qveyana savse. ilia WavWavaZe
mokles qarTvelebma, amaze uaresi ra
unda eqnaT. puSkini da lermontovic
mokles ruseTSi, magram iq sul sxva
situacia da mizezi iyo. me ar megu-
leba qveyana, sadac eris mama moek-
laT, miT umetes aseT patara qveyana-
Si.
_ pataraa qveyana da esec bevr
problemas qmnis. rogor fiqrobT, ki-
dev didxans viqnebiT ruseTsa da ame-
rikaze damokidebuli?
_ saqarTvelo mTeli xmeleTis
nuli mTeli ori measedi Tu iqneba.
Zalian pataraa, magram amave dros Za-
lian adgilzea. panamis arxiviTaa,
masze gadis gza CrdiloeTidan samx-
reTisaken. amitom sWirdeba ruseT-
sac, amerikasac da sparseTsac. sta-
linma Tqva, yvelaze naklebi borote-
ba Cveni ruseTTan SeerTeba iyoo.
jobia, aravisze iyo damokidebuli,
magram roca aseTi patara qveyana xar,
jobs, urTierToba daabalanso did
mezobel saxelmwifoebTan. ruseTma
amdeni xnis manZilze erTi jariska-
cic ki ar gaiyvana okupirebuli te-
ritoriebidan da arc aravin atexavs
oms Cveni gulisTvis.
_ ra gamodis, ar viyaviT mzad da-
moukideblobisTvis?
_ diax. mTavari problema TiToe-
ul CvenTaganSia. franc kafka ambob-
da: inteligenciis mTavar amocanas
Seadgens erovnul mankierebaTa Cvene-
ba da gawmenda. saqarTvelos TiTqmis
aRar hyavs namdvili inteligencia. me
dokumentalisti var da Cven, reJiso-
rebi, pirvel rigSi, adamianTmcodnee-
bi varT. bevr rames sxvanairad vuk-
virdebi. vuyureb televizias, guli
mereva, ra terminologiiT, ra qarTu-
liT saubroben. rogori cinizmiT
laparakoben biZina ivaniSvilze, rom
mas qveynis ukan, sabWoeTSi dabrune-
ba unda da kidev amgvar sisulele-
ebs. es aris Tavxeduri tyuili,
WuWyi da me mikvirs im xalxis, vinc
Tavisi nebiT exveva am sibinZureSi.
Tamuna qadagiZe
mgzavroba rom mogi-
wevs xolme saqarTvelos
qalaqebSi, raionebsa da
soflebSi, naxav, yvela
transportze, TvalSi mo-
saxvedr adgilebSi sul
yvelgan, didi formate-
biT aRbeWdilia e.w. `na-
cionaluri moZraoba~ da
maTi saarCevno nomeri
`5~, okupirebuli aqvT
mTeli saarCevno sivrce.
`nacionalebi~ aseTi ara-
nacionaluri Zalisxmieri
meTodebiT moqmedeben, ax-
la rom SeinarCunon xe-
lisufleba, mere xom Ti-
Tis ganZrevas marTlac
veravin gabedavs, rogorc
daimuqra saakaSvili.
SevafasoT maTi saar-
Cevno sloganebi.
1. dasaqmebao, magram
riT? sakvirao bazro-
bebT? droebiT mSeneblo-
bebiT? ucxoeli stumre-
bis momsaxurebiT? aravi-
Tari sabaziso mimarTu-
lebebis SemoTavazeba mo-
saxleobis myari, mudmivi
garantirebuli dasaqmebi-
saTvis.
2. jandacva yvelaso.
janacvis ufleba axlac
yvelas aqvs, magram ris
safasurad? dazRvevebio,
_ gaiZaxian. dazRvevebi
isev xalxis gadasaxade-
biT Seqmnili biujetis
xarjze ar keTdeba?
3. Zlieri sofelio
kargi slogania, oRond
baton biZina ivaniSvili-
sagan gadamRerebuli. mag-
ram Zlieri sofeli Zli-
er soflis meurneobas
eyrdnoba. Zlieri soflis
meurneoba qarTuli miwe-
bis ucxoelebze gayidvi-
Ta da qarTvelTa ayriT
am miwebidan unda Seiqm-
nas? Tanac soflis meur-
neobis ganviTarebis ara-
viTari kompleqsuri
programa.
4. meti sargebeli
xalxs _ pirze akeriaT
`nacionalebs~. ra sarge-
beli moutanes xalxs?
gaRatakeba da ucxoeTSi
gadaxvewa? kvlav bundo-
vani dapirebebi, kvlav
bundovani dapirebebi,
kvlav rebusebi.
5. xolo 1000 laria-
ni vauCeri _ es aris
amomrCevlis pirdapiri
mosyidva. erTi sityviT,
yvelaferi im standar-
tul wreze brunavs, ro-
melzedac wina arCevnebis
periodSi brunavda `nac-
moZraoba~. kritika gves-
mis, vTqvaT, romelime pi-
rovnebebisagan romelime
pirovnebaze, magram iseTi
cilismwamebluri anti-
reklama, rac biZina iva-
niSvilis winaaRmdeg mim-
dinareobs. ver Tavsdeba
zneobis raime kategoria-
Si. amoraluria es anti-
reklama. politikur
brZolasac xom gaaCnia
morali? magram xalxma
icis da sjera, rom biZi-
na ivaniSvilis programa
Seqmnis swored saqarTve-
los swrafi ganviTarebis
SesaZleblobas, safuZ-
vels, xolo `nacionale-
bisa~ kvlav ukusvlisken
waiyvans qveyanas.
batoni biZina ivaniSvi-
li TanamSromlobda `na-
cionalebTan~ im imediT,
rom qveynis ganviTarebas
Seuwyobda xels. magram
ver gaaTeTra Savi yorani
_ xelisufleba.
Tavad rom mova
xelisuflebaSi da
Tavad iqneba sakuTa-
ri finansebis ganm-
kargavi, realurad
ar moaxmars xalxs?
rasakvirvelia, mo-
axmars da mere ro-
gor! ai, aseTi kaci
RmerTma mogvivlina
qarTvelebs yofna-
aryofnis Jams.
da am kacis uer-
Tgulesi Tanamebr-
Zolia batoni irak-
li alasania. cxov-
rebis mokle periodSi man
gamoiara didi sabrZolo
gza, gamoibrZmeda poli-
tikurad, icis xalxis
problemebi da maTi ga-
dawyvetis gzebic. Sinaga-
nad ramxela amaRlebuli
unda iyo, rom daZlio pi-
radi gancdebi qveynis in-
teresebisaTvis da gamar-
To Serigebis dialogi im
mxaresTan, romlis Seia-
raRebulma formirebebma
mama dagixvrites. ramde-
nime Sexvedris Semdeg man
didi ndoba moipova afxa-
zebisa da rom ara Cveni
dRevandeli xelisufle-
bis arakoreqtuloba, Se-
rigebis gzebi ixsneboda,
saakaSvilsa da mis gare-
mocvas Cven ar vendobiT
da afxazebi da osebi mi-
endobian? gamoricxulia.
es unda gvaxsovdes yve-
las da gansakuTrebiT
devnilebs.
afxazeTisaken gza sa-
megreloze gadis. aq de-
putatad gvWirdeba kaci,
romelsac afxazeTSi pa-
tiviscemiT miiReben da
endobian. amitom yvela
zugdidelma da arazugdi-
delma, yvela devnilma,
yvelam, visac saqarTve-
los gamTlianeba surs,
xma unda misces naRd qar-
Tvels irakli alasanias!
senakSi gansaxlebulo
devnilebo, mTeli raioni
unda amouyenoT gverdSi
afxazeTis mkvidrs, cno-
bil mwerals da sazoga-
do moRvawes guram odi-
Saras, raTa speqtakli
`zRva, romelic Soria~
soxumSi daedgaT, afxa-
zebTan erTad vuyuroT da
davgmoT samaradJamod
Tavsmoxveuli undobloba.
devnilTa saerTo
krebis saxeliT
saqarTvelos uxucesTa
darbazis
aRmasrulebeli mdivani
p-pp `Cveni afxazeTis~
Tavmjdomare
roland niJaraZe
`Cveni qveyana pataraa,magram rTuli _ aseTi
rTuli saxelmwifos marTva Zalian Znelia~
arCevani gvmarTebs ucdomeli
18 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
gasul kviras saqarTvelo
lopotas xeobaSi umowyalod
Caxocil 14 axalgazrda meo-
mars dastiroda da rogorc
qisti dedebi icemdnen gulSi
mjiRs, simwriT ikvnetdnen
tuCs da mdumare glovaSi aq-
sovdnen gulis balRams, ise
iyo yvela qarTveli deda...
auRelveblad ver Sevxede
daxocilTa gvamebs teleek-
ranze da maSinve mivxvdi: qis-
tebis sikvdilma ufro damise-
ra guli da qarTvelebisa _
imdenad ara...
yvelam viciT, raubedureba gaiara CeC-neTma bolo wlebSi,magram saqarTvelomra ubedurebac naxa,TviTon varT amis
momswre. afxazeTisomidan dawyebuli,samoqalaqo omiT, av-RaneTis, erayis omeb-Si uazrod CaxociliqarTveli biWebis ci-nkis kuboebiT Camos-veneba Cveulebriviambavi gaxda, cxinva-lis omSi rom CveniZmebis sisxli da Zva-li iyo erTmaneTSiaTqvefili, amasac ga-vusworeT Cveni aTas-gzis ubedurebis mx-ilveli Tvali, nac-moZraobam, am bandam,sisxlsmowyurebul-ma xrovam rom zogiquCaSi Caxoca da zo-gi sadRac tye-RreSi,rogorc sanadirodgamzadebulma mdeva-
rma, aravinaa amis gam-kiTxavi. Cven aRar gv-ikvirs qarTvelebisxocva da Jleta arcqarTvelebisgan, arcafxazisgan, arc osis-gan, arc rusisgan,arc avRanelisgan, er-ayelisgan da TviT imdidebuli amerikeli-sganac.
megobrobaze, urTierTgata-
naze, vaJkacobaze, namusis Se-
naxvaze ucxoeTSi filmebs
iReben, radgan aseTi mcnebebi
iq TiTqmis gamqralia.
CvenTan rac darCa, isic
undaT waSalon da Zveli kav-
kasiuri fic-vercxloba mtro-
biT da gautanlobiT Secva-
lon. amaze ocnebobda yovelT-
vis mteri da amitomac iyo
marTlmorwmune vainaxebSi mu-
sulmanoba rom CaTeses. aq
rom mTel kavkasia marTlmadi-
debeli qristiani yofiliyo,
xom warmogidgeniaT, ra gulis
xeTqva eqneboda zogierTebs.
aTeuli wlebia Crdilokav-
kasielebi TavianTi samSob-
losTvis (samSoblo xom gan-
yenebuli mcneba araa?) ibrZvi-
an, sisxls Rvrian, qalebic
iaraRasxmuli omoben. daingra
CeCneTi, ganadgurda grozno,
gadaixvewnen CeCnebi, inguSebi,
yabardoelebi da Tan waiRes
guliT samSoblo.
marto zviad gamsa-xurdia ki ara, iliaWavWavaZec ambobda,Cveni saSveli araaCrdilokavkasiele-bis gareSeo. zviad
gamsaxurdias `saer-To kavkasiuri sax-lic~ ki undoda Seeqm-na. mas CeCnebi dResackavkasiis prezidentseZaxian.
ki, magram, zogierTi mety-
vis, umizezod araferi xdeba,
raimeSi isinic iqnebodnen dam-
naSaveo.
es araa gamarTleba.
araviTari politika ar
wydeba adamianebis gareSe, xo-
lo adamiani, romelic `poli-
tikas~ qmnis, yvelaze Zvirfa-
sia TviT am `politikaSi~...
amboben, rom, savaraudod,
`qarTul politikas~ Seewir-
nen es biWebi, romlebmac uari
Tqves ivaniSvilis likvidacia-
zeo. ivaniSvilis likvidacia,
madloba RmerTs, ar moxda,
magram maSin gamecineba mwared,
aseT daujerebel ambavs Tu
ityvis es xelisufleba garkve-
uli drois Semdeg: gamoZiebam
aCvena, rom es axalgazrdebi
ivaniSvilis mokavSireebi yofi-
lan da qarTuli saxelmwifo-
ebriobis dangreva udodaTo...
am biWebis sisxli daaRr-
Cobs xelisuflebas gankiTx-
vis dRes. es aris bolo wve-
Ti nacionaluri mTavrobis
codva-madlis fialaSi...
yvela qarTvels,yvelas stkiva dResqistebis e.i. CeCnebistkivili. Cveni sxeu-li, dafleTilia daaRar gvtkiva, Zmebo,axla Tqveni sxeuligvtkiva...
iranda kalandaZe
Cveni sxeuli aRar gvtkiva, Zmebo,axla Tqveni sxeuli gvtkiva...
mirdadi: kargadd Tqvi, SSen, benoon, zedd-
metadd bevri yuri gaqvs, amitom ar gesmis,
magram erTi yuri rom gqonodda, romelic
moismendda, dda gaigebdda, aRar ddagWirddebodda
mtkiceba.
benooni: undda moviddes saiddumlo mgzavri,
raTa ganikiTxos msoflio dda Cven, kiddobnis
mgzavrni, ddavjddebiT masTan erTadd samsjav-
roze. SSevuddgeT samzaddiss gankiTxvis ddRi-
saTvis?!
mixail naimi
au, magrad vicine...
es ra gavige, xal-
xooo... nacionale-
bis siis #10, pir-
ze rZeSeumSrali baRana,
vinme marina Tu mariam sa-
jaia - nacionalebis cnobi-
li aqtivistis nazi aroni-
as Svili yofila... xom
gaxsovT es matrakveca qa-
li? axla Svili ravari
matrakveca da mazakvali
iqneba, xom warmogidgeni-
aT... nazi aronias Svilis
gulisTvis SecvaleT kano-
ni, Tqve farCakebo?
guSin mixeil saa-
kaSvili iyo Casu-
li samtrediaSi...
miusamZimra im da-
Rupuli eqimis ojaxs, ro-
melic specoperacias See-
wira... dedam miatira - Sen
momikali Svili... saakaSvi-
li mainc mivida am qalTan
da gadaexvia... ra Tqma un-
da, televiziebma es aCve-
nes, anu gadaxvevis momen-
ti... gamovida saakaSvili
ojaxidan... dRes samtredi-
is gamgebels uflebamosi-
leba SeuCeres... daibares
(vin daibara gamgebeli da
ra gvaria Tavad gamgebeli,
es imaT gaarkvion, vinc in-
fos moiparavs, rac araer-
Txel moxda) da uTxres...
Tavad miSam kidev calke
gaurCia saqme - rogor ver
moaxerxe, Se boTe da uvar-
giso (misi sityvebia), oja-
xi Semzadebuli dagexved-
rebinao..
ise, ra maintere-
sebs da, senatori
maq qeini ris sa-
fuZvelze svams
kiTxvebs da arkvevs aris
Tu ara esa Tu is pirovne-
ba ruseTTan kavSirSi. sena-
tori saqarTvelos moqala-
qea Tu am arCevnebSi saku-
Tari partiiT gamodis?
ramdeni? rodemde?
ratom? es aris
warmatebuli de-
mokratia? sadac
adamianebs yovelgvari ga-
samarTlebis gareSe, ad-
gilze xvreten.. norvegi-
elma teroristma, andres
breivikma 77 adamianis si-
cocxle imsxverpla, magram
breiviki aravis dauxvre-
tia adgilze da dResac
“Tavs kargad grZnobs”. am
biWebs ki miakereT sityvi-
erad “teroristebi” da
CacxrileT.. saqarTvelos-
Tan SedarebiT, amxela qve-
yanas _ britaneTs 2 tero-
risti ar hyavs da saqarT-
velos xelisuflebam 3-mi-
lionian qveyanaSi bolo
wlebia 300-mde `teroris-
ti” aRmoaCina da Cacxri-
la, adgilze. qveyanaSi sa-
dac sikvdiliT dasja ga-
uqmebulia xalxs adgilze
xvreten.. raRatom gaauqmeT
sikvdiliT dasja Tuki
adamianis sicocxles ase
xelaRebiT, erT wamSi
xelyofT??? TviTmfrinavis
biWebs komunistebma bolo
sityva mainc aTqmevines.
SvebiT amovisunT-
qe! goka, Cveni go-
kuna gamogvesarCla
“despoti biZinasa-
gan” daCagrul maswebs...apa,
rava egona “meocnebe Su-
rismaZiebels?! magis dasas-
jeli maswebi iqeT moi-
kiTxos. ra uflebiT ga-
nacxada:”yvela xmis gamyal-
bebels davsjio, maT Soris
maswavleblebsaco...”aba, bi-
Wo, SegveSinda...
xalxis azriT
19saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
politikaSi wasvlamde
ioseb juRaSvili Ramis 2 sa-
aTze Cadis saguramoSi. qal-
baton olRa guramiSvils (i-
lia WavWavaZis meuRles) aR-
viZebinebs ukve daZinebul
ilias da masTan saubarSi
mTel Rames atarebs. mxolod
amis Semdeg midis ioseb ju-
RaSvili politikaSi. ilias-
gan unda moesmina stalins im
“saerTo niadagis Teoriis”
Sesaxebac, romelic ilia
WavWavaZes “aRmaSeneblis sa-
qarTvelos” modelze hqonda
Seqmnili. arsSi, aRmaSeneb-
lis Zlieri saqarTvelos
Semnas, did sivrceze gadaWi-
muli mravalerovani qveynis
unitarul (erTi kanonis Za-
liT marTvas), adgilze ki
(soflebisa da regioniebis
doneze), qarTuli Temisa da
xodabunebis principiT -
TviTmarTvelobas gulisxmob-
da. (es ebrauli kibucebis is
tipiuri modelia, romlis
mniSvnelobazec qarTuli
soflis aRorZinebisTvis
patriarqma araerTxel isa-
ubra). sadac mTis Temis
principiT, yvelaferi sauke-
Teso erTad grovdeba da Sem-
deg Tanabrad nawildeba mo-
saxleobaze. saubedurod, bev-
rma qarTvelma arc ilias
“saerTo niadagis Teoriis”
da arc satalinis Sesaxeb
bevri araferi icis. farise-
velTa memkvidreebi, romle-
bic msoflio mediis, gamom-
cemlobebisa da saerTaSori-
so saionformacio korpora-
ciebis mflobelni arian,
“filtrSi” atareben da
cxrilaven yvelafers, rac
gonierma adamianma ar unda
gaiziaros. amisTvis ki gau-
naTleblobis danergvaa saWi-
ro. aki, nergaven kidec. ada-
mianebma “sxvisi tviniT, sxvi-
si WkuiTa da gonebiT” unda
iazrovnon. mxolod teelek-
ranidan reklamirebuli wam-
lebi unda dailon, raTa wi-
naparTa mier gamocdili da
dadebiTi Sedegis momcemi sa-
SualebebiT ar ganikurnon.
amiT adamianebis ricxvi deda-
miwaze unda Semcirdes. dar-
Ces mxolod zombirebuli da
marTvadi raodenoba, romle-
bic farisevelTa mona-mosam-
saxured morCilad imuSavebs.
mikroCipebiT marTvadi gaxde-
ba da nebismier dros, ro-
gorc “uvargis teqnikas” sa-
Wiroebisamebr “gamorTaven”.
Tu kacobrioba gons ar movi-
da, “feradovani revolucie-
bis” dasawyisi _ “wiTlebis
proletaruli revolucia”
(romelic dResac grZelde-
ba), male “wyvliTa krulviT
(daCipuli sazogadoebiT)
daRdasmuli mSieri monebis
qveyanisa da msoflios saxes
miiRebs”! sadac CipebCadgmu-
li “msoflio moqalaqeebi
moklaven dedas, moklaven ma-
mas _ Tuki partia ubrZanebT
amas”! dRevandeli msoflios
telemayurebelsa da mkiTxve-
lis umetesobas ki mxolod
is unda miewodos, rac mis
mxedvelobaSi, cnobierebasa
da mexsierebaSi unda CaibeW-
dos. es is “sasurveli in-
formaciaa”, rasac farise-
velTa memkvidreebi “sabWoe-
Tis” drosac da dResac, me-
diisa da presis saSualebiT
dozirebulad da damaxinje-
bulad awvdian sazogadoebas.
dakvirvebuli adamiani aRmoa-
Cenda, rom plakatebsa Tu
suraTebze eSmaki umetesad
wiTeli feris, xelSi samka-
piT (samkbiliani “kverTxiT”)
gamoisaxeba. wiTeli qristes
sisxls ganasaxierebs. sami
ki uflismieri samebis simbo-
loa. amitomaa “xuTosani wi-
Teli eSmakunebis” Tavyrilo-
bebsa da SekrebebSi wiTeli
feris aseTi siWarbec. wiTe-
li feri agresiulobiTac ga-
moirCeva da adamianis cnobi-
ers Trgunavs. wiTeli feri
gamoiyeneba saroskipoebsa da
“bordelebSic”, sadac so-
dom-gomoriseuli orgiebi
ewyoba. qalaq ierusalimis
droSa, (iudevelTa miwad
cnobili adgili, sadac fa-
risevlebma qriste jvars av-
nes), erTi erTze imeorebs
nacionalebis droSas, magram
narinjisferia. nacionalebma
is alisfrad (sisxlisfrad)
Secvales. aRmaSeneblisTvis
didgoris brZolisas naCuqa-
ri “jvarosnebis droSac”
wiTeli iyo, magram ara ise-
Ti sisxlisferi, rogoric
dRevaneli saxelmwifo dro-
Saa. maSin is jer kidev Sin-
disferi iyo. “nacionaluri
moZraobis gariJraJzec”,
Yyvela Senobasa da dawese-
bulbaze “jvarosanTa xuTjv-
riani droSis” aRmarTva da
sisxlisfrad misi Secvla
hitleris mier svastikiani
droSebis aRmarTviT im qvey-
nis okupacias niSavda. eSmake-
uli (sisixlisferi) droSis
saxelmwifo droSad gamocxa-
deba erTgvari gzavnili iyo
“farisevel-masonTa msoflio
saZmosadmi”, rom nacionalebi
RvTismSoblis wilxvedr sa-
qarTveloSi sisxlis gubee-
bis dasayeneblad da qristes-
mieri eris Tavisuflebisken
swrafvis sisxlSi CasaxSo-
bad emzadebodnen. RvTismSob-
lis wilxvedri saqarTvelos
mimarT am ganzraxvasac fari-
sevelni xan ruseTSi, xanac
dasavleTSi Canergili Tavi-
anTi agentebis meSveobiT
axorcilebdnen. saqarTveloc
da yvela qarTvelic, sanam
srul simarTles ar gaigebs
politikaSi ioseb satalinis
wasvlis Sesaxeb, manamde iqne-
ba is zogisTvis tirani, zo-
gisTvis “boroti genia”, zo-
gisTvis kidev iseTi provneba,
rogoradac mas masonur-glo-
balisturi samyaro warmo-
aCens dRemde. yvelaze didi
da WeSmarit informaciasac
swored farisevelni floben
qarTveli iosebis Sesaxeb.
maTTvis yvelaze did safr-
Txes, (irkveva, rom) maSinac
da axlac qarTveli warmoad-
genda! amis dasamalad amaxin-
jebdnen istoriul faqtebs
aTeisti bolSevikebic da ama-
xinjeben maTi memkvidre glo-
balisti masonebic viTom
qarTveli nacionalebis xe-
liT. marTlmadideblurma
samyarom SesaniSnavad icis
simarTle stalinis pirovne-
baze. amisTvis gamoucxades
marTmadideblur samyaros
globalistma-masonebma sas-
tiki omic. “demokratiis sa-
xeliT” gaanadgures serbeT-
is, saberZneTis, rumineTis,
bulgareTis eklesiebi. rigSi
saqarTvelosa da ruseTis
marTlmadidebluri eklesiebi
dgas! WeSmariti Rirebulebe-
bic da Tavisuflebac, mTel
msoflioSi swored amisTvis
Caanacvles e.w. “demokrati-
ulma da liberalurma Rire-
bulebebma”.
stalinis Temis arapopu-
larobis miuxedavad, masze
simarTlis Tqma aucilebe-
lia! gansakuTrebiT aucile-
belia qarTvelebisgan, rom-
lis Rirseul Svilsac ioseb
stalini warmoadgenda. ara im
vai-qarTvelebisgan, vinc
grantebiTa da farisevelTa
dafinansebebiT SekveTil
statiebsa da publikaciebs
aqveyneben. vinc masze srul
informacias ar flobs da
mxolod “bolSevikuri isto-
riis saxelmZRvaneloebidan”
icis “stalinis kultisa da
tiraniis” Sesaxeb. arc im
ucxoeli viTom mwerlebis-
gan, vinc sakuTar istorias
ar icnobs wesierad da sxve-
bis “biografiul cxovreba-
ze” bestselerebs qmnis. ara-
med simarTlis dadgena, pir-
vel rigSi, saqarTvelos da
qarTvelebis valia! somxebs
stalinis msgavsi fugura
rom hyolodaT, mTel msof-
lios gadasWamdnen tvins.
(kidev kargi, jerjerobiT
stalinic armenad ar gamo-
ucxadebiaT sxvebis msgavsad)
es is bumberazi figuraa, ro-
melic mTel msoflios azan-
zarebda da Cans dResac azan-
zarebs, radgan masTan brZo-
las misi sikvdilidan amdeni
xnis Semdegac ar eSvebian.
romlis winaSe qeds ixridnen
iseTi didi politikosebic
ki, rogoric uinston CerCi-
li da ruzvelti iyo. rom-
lis saxelTanac dakavSirebu-
lia dedamiwis meeqvsedis fa-
Sizmisgan gaTavisufleba. pi-
rovneba, romelmac wina sau-
kunis dasawyisSi antimarTl-
madideblur-globalisturi
procesis _ “msoflio pro-
letaruli revoluciis da-
wyebas” wertili dausva. be-
rebisgan politikaSi gagzav-
nili adamiani, romelmac pe-
terburgSi CasvlisTanave iq
arsebuli 28 masonuri loJa
daxura da sastiki brZola
gamoucxada “mxecis msa-
xurT”. im droisTvis 20-iani
wlebisTvis stalins, mxo-
lod 9 marTlmadidebel ada-
mianze SeeZlo dayrdnoba,
radgan mis irgvliv da poli-
tikaSi myofi danarCeni Se-
madgenloba farisevel-Tal-
mudistTa warmomadgenlebiT
iyo dakompleqtebuli. brZo-
lis dasawyebad ki SigniT Ca-
nergva da “qajeTis cixis”
Signidan dangreva iyo saWi-
ro. am faqtis dasturad co-
ta xnis win mosmenil erT pa-
teriks gavixseneb: “ erT
RvTismosav da ucodvel bers
Turme eSmaki gadaekida. xan
aqedan miudga, xan _ iqedan
da verafriT acduna. erT
dResac keliaSi misul bers
Turme eSmaki sawolze damj-
dari daxvedria. eSmakma bers
uTxra: ” mTxove, rac ginda
da Segisruleb. mxolod amis
Semdeg daganebeb Tavso”. ber-
ma eSmaks misi mxarze Sesma
da ierusalimis wminda adgi-
lebis monaxuleba sTxova,
razec eSmakma uari ver Tqva.”
paterikis morali aseTia: be-
ri borotebas Seajda zed da
mas keTili saqme akeTebina!
stalinic swored im boro-
tebas ebrZoda, Slida da an-
grevda Signidan, romeli bo-
rotebac dRes gvinadgurebs
erovnul identurobas, qar-
Tul suls, marTlmadideb-
lur mrwamss. xelisuflebis
qveda eSelonebSi mokalaTe-
buli mravalricxovani fari-
sevlebi ki Tavisi saqmis ke-
Tebas_ inteligenciisa da
maTlmadideblebis xocvas ag-
rZelebdnen. revoluciis win
peterburgSi leninTan erTad
daxuruli vagoniT Casul
uzarmazar farisevel masaTan
sabrZolvelad ki mtkice xe-
li, udreki foladiseburi
xasiaTi da pirovnulis (xan-
daxan sakuTaris, qarTulis
droebiT gawirvac) ki iyo
saWiro, radgan vinc (qalde-
veli huri abraamiviT) umTav-
resis, ideisa da mrwamsis ga-
dasarCenad `sakuTars~ sas-
worze ar debs, _ is mizans
ver aRwevs.
nawyveti gamosacemi
wignidan
`qristes rjulisTvis
mebrZoli mxedari~.
baia amaSukeli
wiTeli eSmakunebi
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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20 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
rogorc cnobili gaxda,
lopotas xeobaSi Catarebul
sisxlian speoperaciasTan dakav-
SirebiT, CeCnuri mxaris inicia-
tiviT Seiqqmna incidentis Sem-
swavleli komisia, romelsac
emigraciaSi myofi CeCneTis yo-
fili kulturis ministri axmed
zakaevi uxelmZRRvanelebs. man sa-
qqarTvelos xelisuflebas Ta-
namSromlobas ukve SesTavaza da
aRRniSna, rom Tu qqarTuli mxare
urTierTTanamSromlobaze uars
ityvis, maT gaaCniaT sakmarisi
resursi, rom daadginon realu-
rad ra moxda.
aRRniSnul sakiTxebTan dakav-
SirebiT `̀saerTo gazeTs~ saer-
TaSoriso organizacia `̀kavkasi-
el xalxTa konfederaciis~ Tav-
mjdomare zaal kasreliS-vili esaubra.
- axmed zakaevma lopotas
sisxliani incidentis garSemo
gamoZieba daiwyo da saqarTve-
los xelisuflebs erToblivi
komisiis Seqmnas sTavazobs, mag-
ram, vfiqrob, nacxelisufleba
masTan ar iTanamSromlebs, anu
informacias ar miawvdis, Tu ma-
inc daTanxmda, maSin drois gay-
vanis taqtikas daadgeba, rom,
ase vTqvaT, tkivili gaanelos
da daZabuloba gaaneitralos.
TviTon zakaevi kavkasiel xal-
xebSi (rogorc kavkasiaSi, ise
mis farglebs gareT) cudi re-
putaciiT ar sargeblobs, magram
mas verc CeCneTis kanonieri xe-
lisuflebis samarTalmemkvid-
red moiazreben, radgan emigra-
ciaSi masze bevrad ufro avto-
ritetuli CeCnebi cxovroben.
isini CeCneTis saxelisuflebo
ierarqiaSi rangiTac da titu-
liTac ufro maRla idgnen, vid-
re zakaevi, romelsac kultu-
ris ministris Tanamdeboba eka-
va. miuxedavad amisa, Cvens orga-
nizacias es arCevani Zalze moe-
wona. es saqme CeCnurma mxarem
unda gamoiZios, Tu simarTles
ityvian xom kargi, Tu ara da
Crdilokavkasielebma magaTve
mosTxovon pasuxi. Cveni qveynis
interesebidan gamomdinare, Zal-
ze kargia, CeCnurma mxarem rom
iTava es gamoZieba, Tumca isic
unda iTqvas, rom zakaevTan da-
kavSirebiT bevri eWvi arsebobs.
- ras gulisxmobT?
- zakaevsa da Cvens xelisuf-
lebas Soris boris berezovski
dgas, romelic Cveni xelisuf-
lebis warmomadgenelTa megoba-
ria. telekompania `pikic~ (pir-
veli kavkasiuri) Tavis droze
man daafinansa. axla vis xelSia
es telekompania, ar vici, magram
misi saqmianoba mxolod bere-
zovskis interesebs SeiZleba em-
saxurebodes. kavkasielebis in-
teresebs rom ar emsaxureba,
amas nebismier dros davamtkiceb
Ria eTeriT gamarTul debateb-
Si. Cveni organizaciis or
wevrs _ CeCensa da inguSs, rom-
lebic kavkasiaSi ar cxovroben,
daukavSirdnen da am komisiaSi
monawileoba SesTavazes. `kavka-
siel xalxTa konfederaciis~
gamgeoba kolegialuri organoa,
erTian gadawyvetilebas vRebu-
lobT, maqsimalurad vcdilobT
yvelas interesi da Rirseba da-
culi iyos, amitomac davTanxm-
di, rom maT muSaobaSi monawi-
leoba miiRon, oRond komisiis
SemadgenlobaSi ki ar Sevidnen,
mxolod am incidentis gamoZie-
bamde daexmaron, radgan Cven am
xalxTan urTierToba manamdec
ar gvqonia.
vfiqrobT, zakaevi simarT-
lis damalvas ver gabedavs, 11
adamianis mkvlels xels ver da-
afarebs, Tu daafarebs, maSin Za-
lian cudad daamTavrebs. is Se-
ecdeba yvelaferi obieqturad
gamoiZios im martivi mizezis
gamo, rom Sansi gauCnda aRidgi-
nos CeCnebis TvalSi Selaxuli
reputacia. mas reputacia maSin
Seelaxa, roca doku umarovTan
dakavSirebiT evropul medias
mZime interviuebi misca, Tanac
igi Ria dialogSi Sevida ramzan
kadirovTan, maTi
Sexvedris Taobaze.
marTalia, es Sex-
vedra ar Sedga da
arc dialogi gagr-
Zelda, magram am
ori mizezis gamo
zakaevis avtorite-
ti kiTxvis niSnis
qveS dadga. Tu za-
kaevi am incidents
obieqturad ar ga-
moiZiebs, Cven da
kidev ramdenime
arasamTavrobo or-
ganizacias gvaqvs
imis meqanizmebi,
rom situacia obi-
eqturad vakontro-
loT.
Cven am etapze
ar gvinda konkre-
tuli pirebis vinaoba davasaxe-
loT da maT braldeba wavuye-
noT, es zakaevma gaakeTos. Tu
misi komisia simarTles ityvis,
daveTanxmebiT, Tu simarTles
damalaven da saqarTvelos xe-
lisuflebis wisqvilze daasxa-
men wyals, saqarTvelos mosax-
leobas pirobas vaZlev, rom ko-
misiis mTeli Semadgenloba se-
riozulad daisjeba da es ar
iqneba marto Cveni organizaciis
iniciativa, kavkasiis yvela eris
warmomadgeneli maT sakadris
pasuxs gascems. rac Seexeba Ta-
vad zakaevs, mas Zalze mkacrad
mosTxoven pasuxs CeCnebi.
- Tqven savaraudo damnaSave-
ebis vinaoba ukve gcodniaT. iq-
neb is mainc gviTxraT, konkre-
tulad, raSi miuZRviT maT bra-
li?
- Cveni saqmianobidan gamom-
dinare, cxadia, bevr informaci-
as vflobT. rac Seexeba am saq-
mes, Cveni informaciiT, ori
versia ganixileba. pirveli - aw
ganadgurebuli jgufis wevrebi,
eqvsi Tvis win saqarTveloSi
Camoiyvana erovnebiT CeCenma pi-
rovnebam, romelTanac saqarTve-
los xelisuflebis mxridan Su-
amavlobda erTi qarTveli. meo-
re versiis mixedviT, es xalxi
didi xania (daaxloebiT ori we-
lia) midi-modian saqarTveloSi,
xvdebian xelisuflebis warmo-
madgenlebs, TanamSromloben,
oRond ra Temasa da sakiTxze
ver getyviT, Tumca namdvilad
TanamSromlobdnen. xsenebul Ce-
Censa da qarTvels, savaraudod,
kidev erTi CeCeni da qarTveli
ematebian. swored es meore qar-
Tveli yofila, rogorc ityvian,
pirveli kvalis gamWreli. is
saqarTvelos xelisuflebis sa-
xeliT Cavida evropaSi erT-erT
CeCenTan erTad da iq mcxovreb
Crdilokavkasielebs partnio-
roba SesTavaza. maTi vinaoba vi-
ciT, magram Segnebulad ar vasa-
xelebT, sjobs, zakaevma da mis-
ma garemocvam daasaxelos, mere
rame rom ar dagvabralon. pir-
velad Tqveni gazeTis saSuale-
biT vambob, rom Zalze seriozu-
li mediasaSualebebis warmomad-
genlebma mTxoves, iqneb rekomen-
dacia gagviwioT evropaSi
mcxovreb Tqveni organizaciis
wevrebTan, rom maTTan CavideT
da maTi meSveobiT aviRoT in-
terviu axmed zakaevisgano. erTi
martivi mizezis gamo vuTxari
uari, Cvens Jurnalistebs iq
ruseTis interesi rom daxvdeT,
mere Zalian gagviWirdeba imis
axsna, rom Cven arafer SuaSi
varT. dameTanxmebiT, rom ruse-
Tis politikuri xelmZRvanelo-
basa da specsamsaxurebs Zalze
didi interesi eqnebaT sisxlia-
ni incidentisa da zakaevis ko-
misiis mimarT. amitom mets aRa-
rafers vityviT, dae, es Wiri-
suflebma, CeCnebma gaakeTon. Cven
mere davafiqsirebT Cvens pozi-
cias, vin ambobs simarTles da
vin _ ara. es aris erTaderTi
gamosavali, rom saqarTvelos
mimarT eWvi da risxva movxsnaT.
- ambobT, zakaevsa da saqar-
Tvelos xelisuflebas Soris
boris berezoski dgaso. ra kav-
Siri aqvs zakaevs masTan?
- zakaevs politikuri TavSe-
safari Tavisi kavSirebis meSve-
obiT berezovskim gaukeTa. es
ukanaskneli, mas Semdeg, rac
ruseTidan gaagdes, ufunqciod
iyo darCenili. is miliarderia,
magram arc erT strategiul
obieqts ar flobs, am, ase
vTqvaT, sazogadoebrivad aqti-
ur adamians, aranairi gavlena
ar aqvs ruseTze. mas ruseTSi
gavlenebis mosapoveblad radi-
kaluri opozicioneris imijis
mopoveba sWirdeboda, amitomac
Cado Tavisi antiputinuri gan-
wyoba cecxlmokidebul Crdilo
kavkasiaSi. berezovskim ifiqra,
rom dasavleTSi garkveuli
wreebisTvis da Tundac ucxou-
ri specsamsaxurebisTvis am Te-
miT ufro saintereso gaxdebo-
da. amitomac daiaxlova axmed
zakaevi, romelsac manamde ic-
nobda, anu elcinis mmarTvelo-
bisas, roca berezovski uSiSro-
ebis sabWos mdivani iyo da biz-
ness ikeTebda CeCneTis omze.
Semdgom amas daemata masa da za-
kaevs Soris pirovnuli urTi-
erTobebi, romelmac saqarTve-
loSi gadmoinacvla. saqarTve-
loSi zakaevis mimarT arsebul-
ma kargma ganwyobam da berezov-
skis saqarTvelos xelisufle-
basTan siaxlovem, raRac etapze
berezovskis Seuqmna imiji, rom
is kavkasiaSi gavleniani moTama-
Sea, viTarebas flobs, marTa-
lia, garkveuli segmentisas,
magram mainc. garda amisa, bere-
zovskis axlandeli meuRle Ce-
Cenia. misma colis Zmebmac, rom-
lebic ukrainasa da evropaSi
warmatebuli biznesmenebi arian,
Seuqmnes imiji, rom is aris
adamiani, romelsac postsabWo-
ur sivrceSi, kerZod, kavkasiaSi
angariSi unda gavuwioT da vi-
megobroT, radgan mas iq proce-
sebSi monawileobis miReba Se-
uZlia.
- modiT, lopotas sisxlian
specoperacias davubrundeT,
romlis garSemoc uamravi kiTx-
vebi kvlavac arsebobs. xeli-
suflebam gvamcno 11 mebrZolia
moklulio. Svidis vinaoba gvam-
cnes da musulmanuri wesiT da-
ikrZalebiano. sad aris danarCe-
ni oTxis cxedari, isini saer-
Tod Tu arsebobdnen bunebaSi?
- Svidive daRupuli saqarT-
velos moqalaqea, aqedan oTxi
aq daibada, samma ki 90-ian
wlebSi miiRo saqarTvelos mo-
qalaqeoba. am Svidi adamianidan
erTi avstriidan Camoiyvanes, me-
ore londonidan, mesame ki fi-
neTidan. Tu risTvis Camoiyvanes,
yvelam kargad vnaxeT. sad aris
danarCeni oTxi cxedari, ver
getyviT. saerTod, tyuili am
xelisuflebis cxovrebis wesi
da urTierTobis formaa. ro-
gorc Cans, es oTxi marTlac ar
arsebobs, Torem imas mainc
ityodnen, identifikacia mimdi-
nareobso. amaT samxedro speco-
peraciis imxela speqtakli dad-
ges, rom vfiqrob, mere Sercx-
vaT imis aRiareba, Svid kacs
rom ebrZodnen.
* * *
televiziiT gavrcelebul
kadrebSi daRupulebis Tanasof-
lelebi acxadebdnen, rom cxed-
rebi RamiT, Cumad, yovelgvari
ganbanvisa da religiuri ritu-
alis gareSe daasaflaves, ramac
profesional (yofil) policie-
lebSi didi eWvi gaaCina, iyvnen
ki isini SeiaraRebuli Setakebi-
sas mokluli (am versiam eqs-
pertebSic didi eWvi gamiwvia,
11 meomris brZolis dros ase
erTbaSad mokvla gamoricxu-
liao – m.s.). isini sxva meTo-
diT, Tundac sawamlaviT xom ar
daxoces da mere es specopera-
cia gaiTamaSeso. xom naxeT
cxedrebs eqsperti ki ara, sasu-
liero pirebic ar miakares,
romlebic musulmanuri wesiT
apatiosneben cxedars maT eWvi
rom ar gasCenodaTo. am versias
rom aqvs arsebobis ufleba, za-
al kasreliSvilic eTanxmeba.
- gavrcelebul versiebze
ras gvetyviT, am jgufs erT-eer-
Ti qarTveli parlamentari ga-
samrjelos fasad TurqeTSi ga-
dayvanas Sepirda da `gadaagdo-
o~? isic iTqva, rom maT daRes-
tanSi marTlac undodaT gadas-
vla, iqidan siriaSi rom wasu-
liyvnen amboxebulebis dasaxma-
reblad.
- rac Seexeba maT TurqeTSi
gadasvlas, SeiZleba jgufis
romelime wevrma, ubralod, sax-
lSi Tqva, TurqeTSi mivdivaro.
vici, romel parlamentarzecaa
saubari. absurdia imis mtkiceba,
daRestnidan unda gadasuliyvnen
siriaSio. erTaderTi TurqeTi-
dan Tu moxvdeba adamiani siri-
aSi uproblemod. Tu imis Tqma
undaT, rom azerbaijanis gav-
liT wavidodneno, jer erTi
azerbaijani maT ar gaatarebda
da meorec, azerbaijanidanac
ver moxvdebodnen TurqeTSi ase
Cacmulebi da aRWurvilebi. am
versiis avtorma, vfiqrob, saer-
Tod ar icis geografia da ru-
ka TvaliT ar aqvs nanaxi.
manana suxiSvili
zakaevsa da Cvensxelisuflebas Sorisberezovski dgas...
21saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
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qarTvelebi Rrmad arian
darwmunebuli, rom maTi damou-
kideblobisa da erTgvari usaf-
rTxoebis mTavar garants war-
moadgens amerikis SeerTebuli
Statebi, romelic saqarTvelos
dauTmobs ruseTs rame ufro
didi _ erayis, avRaneTis, Crdi-
loeT koreis, libiis, axla ki
ukve siriisa da iranis sanacv-
lod. maT uWirT gageba imisa,
rom zesaxelmwifoebi iSviaTad
vaWroben TavianTi mokavSiree-
biT _ maT mxolod is SeuZli-
aT, daTmon gavlena im qveyneb-
Si, romlebic TanamSromlobis
aSkara survils ar gamoxataven.
es iSviaTad, magram mainc xdeba.
Tu didi saxelmwifo xelTaTma-
niviT icvlis partnior qvey-
nebs, is am tituls didxans ver
SeinarCunebs. gamovTqvaT imedi
imisa, rom saqarTvelo didi
qveynebis TamaSebSi sajildao
qva ar gaxdeba. Tumca arc is
aris gamoricxuli, ruseTma ki-
dev scados saqarTveloSi SeW-
ra, iseve rogorc veravin gamo-
ricxavda 2008 wlis agvistos
omis dawyebas.
saqarTvelo yuradRebiT
adevnebs Tvals kavkasia-2012-
is swavlebebs, romelic saqar-
TveloSi 1-li oqtombris sa-
parlamento arCevnebs emTxveva
da amitomac Cndeba ruseTis
xelaxali agresiis SiSic.
ra xdeba sinamdvileSi?
zogierT qarTvel eqsperts
mcdari warmodgena aqvs ruse-
Tis xelisuflebaze _ maTi az-
riT, axlandeli ruseTi Tavne-
ba saxelmwifoa, romelsac ar
gaaCnia aranairi wesebi da val-
debulebebi vinmes winaSe.
ruseTi marTlac cdilobs,
sagareo politikaSi iTamaSos
_ Taviseburad interpretire-
buli, damaxinjebuli, mcdarad
interpretirebuli, magram ma-
inc saerTaSoriso wesebiT.
raSi vlindeba es?
upirvelesad imaSi, rom
moskovi iseTs arafers ake-
Tebs, rasac paralels ver mo-
uZebni dasavleTSi.
magaliTad _ ratom gaaWia-
nura omi 2008 wlis agvistom-
de, ratom ar SeiWra saqarTve-
loSi maSinve da angariSi ar
gauwia aravis, ratom cdilob-
da sababis moZebnas, dros kar-
gavda qarTuli soflebis da-
bombvaze, Tuki putini da med-
vedevi saerTaSoriso donis
Tavneba politikosebi arian?
rogorc ukve aRvniSneT,
ruseTi cdilobs mibaZos da-
savleTs. Tqven aRiareT koso-
vo _ Cven vaRiarebT afxazeTsa
da samxreT oseTs, Tqven Caata-
reT operacia serbiaSi iZule-
biTi mSvidobis dasamyareblad
_ Cven mSvidobis iZulebas
afxazeTsa da samxreT oseTSi
vcdilobT...
dasavleTs kosovo rom ar
eRiarebina, ruseTi araviTar
SemTxvevaSi ar gaakeTebda ima-
ves afxazeTisa da samxreT
oseTis mimarT, Tundac saakaS-
vils putini liliputinad as-
jer moexseniebina pirdapir
eTerSi. agvistos dasawyisSi
provokaciebi swored imas em-
saxureboda, rom saqarTvelos
sapasuxo cecxli gaexsna da
swored is TamaSi gaeCaRebina,
rac nato-m serbiaSi gaiTamaSa.
amitomac gulubryvilod
Cans liberal eqspertTa mo-
sazreba, TiTqos SeiZleboda am
omis Tavidan acileba _ amisT-
vis sakmariso iqneboda dabomb-
vaze ar epasuxaT. omi gardau-
vali iyo _ ara imitom, rom
putini ganawyenebulia saakaS-
vilze, aramed imitom, rom da-
savleTTan angariSebi gasaswo-
rebeli iyo, Tanac _ Zalian
swrafad. amas ruseTi ver gaeq-
ceoda.
axla teritoriul sa-
kiTxebSi angariSi sayaimoa _
1:1.
amitomac ar sWirdeba ru-
seTs axali provokaciebi afxa-
zeTis an samxreT oseTis te-
ritoriaze. axla iq iseTi si-
Cumea, rac bolo wlebis gan-
mavlobaSi arasodes yofila.
Tumca arsebobs sxva Tama-
Sic, sadac angariSia 1:0. es
libiaa.
ai, aq ki ruseTs namdvilad
gauCnda SesaZlebloba, gamoiye-
nos Tavisi fantazia da Semoq-
medebiTi energia.
saamisod ki viTareba libi-
is msgavsad unda ganviTardes
_ anu saqarTvelos mTavrobam
gaanadguros opozicia, cecxli
gauxsnas mSvidobian moqalaqe-
ebs... aseT dros mamaci 58-e ar-
mia saqarTvelos mosaxleobis
dasaxmareblad gaemarTeba da
angariSi gaxdeba 1:1.
oqtombris dasawyisSi sa-
qarTvelos mZime da rTuli
arCevnebi elis _ ueWvelia,
ruseTis armia yuradRebiT
Tvals miadevnebs im movlenebs,
rac xmis micemas mohyveba. ope-
racia kavkasia-2012-s masTan
uSualo kavSiri ara aqvs. saq-
me sxvagvarad aris _ Tu mie-
cema sababi, ruseTi mas gamoi-
yenebs: kavkasia-2012-s an dau-
kavSirebs, an ara.
ruseTi saerTaSoriso we-
sebis imitacias axdens. vidre
sababi ar eqneba, saqarTvelos-
ken ar gaixedavs. sasxletze
TiTis gamokvris roli SeiZ-
leba Seasrulos nacionalebsa
da biZinistebs Soris gamar-
Tulma namdvilma omma.
yvelaferi mainc xelisuf-
lebis xelSia _ man unda Caa-
taros normaluri arCevnebi da
metismeti xmebi ar miiweros,
zomiereba daicvan da sixarbe
ar gamoiCinon.
oriode sityva `ruseTsa da
somxeTs Soris derefnis~ Te-
oriaze, Tuki dasavleTi irans
oms gamoucxadebs. es varianti
ruseTs saqarTveloSi SeWris
saSualebas miscems da mas da-
matebiTi sababi ar dasWirdeba.
Teoriulad es SesaZlebelia _
Tu dasavleTi iranSi SeiWreba,
ruseTi, sapasuxod, saqarTve-
los Seutevs da angariSi
kvlav 1:1 gaxdeba.
realurad, irans ukve aTi
welia emuqrebian da bolos da
bolos, unda gavacnobieroT _
dasavleTSi veravin gabedavs
80-milionian iranSi SeWras.
maqsimumi, rac SeiZleba mox-
des, es aris aviadartymebi
birTvul obieqtebze, Tumca
esec nakleb savaraudoa.
qarTvel sazogadoebas gaaC-
nia yvelanairi Sansi, Tavidan
aicilos dapirispireba ruseT-
Tan. amitomac qarTvelebma unda
gamoiCinon odnavi goniereba ma-
inc.
inosmi.ru/sngbaltia
ruseTis saokupacio jare-
bis afxazeTidan da cxinvalis
regionidan gamoyvana, TavianT
saxlebSi devnilTa swrafad
dabruneba mniSvnelovanwilad
damokidebulia imaze, Tu ro-
gori damokidebuleba aqvs ru-
seTs CrdiloeT kavkasiis mi-
marT _ sadac, bolos da bo-
los, unda damyardes stabi-
luroba, samarTlianoba da
mSvidoba. amitomac saqarTve-
loSi yovelTvis interesiT
akvirdebian mezobel regionSi
mimdinare procesebs, magram iq
arsebuli mdgomareoba jerje-
robiT damSvidebis sababs ar
iZleva. metic _ garkveuli Za-
lebi CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi im-
denad Zabaven viTarebas, rom
SesaZloa, igi nebismier dros
farTomasStabian omSi gadai-
zardos.
amis fonze gakvirvebas da
SeSfoTebas iwvevs teritori-
uli dava ori vainaxuri res-
publikis _ inguSeTisa da CeC-
neTis meTaurebs Soris, rasac
provokaciis elferi dahkravs.
am dReebSi groznom pretenzi-
ebi gamoTqva mezobel respub-
likaSi malgobekis raionis na-
wilsa da mTlianad sunJenis
raionze _ es teritoriebi is-
toriulad CeCneTis sakuTreba
iyo (1992 wlamde, vidre CeC-
neT-inguSeTi or respublikad
gaiyofoda) da isini kanonier
mflobelebs unda daubrundes.
mxolod amis Semdeg unda ga-
ivlos respublikebs Soris
sademarkacio sazRvario. Tu
CeCneT-inguSeTis sazRvris sa-
davo sakiTxi adgilze ver
mogvardeba, CeCneTis xelisuf-
leba federaluri centris
CarTvas gegmavs.
CeCnebma pretenziebis Sesa-
xeb gancxadeba gaakeTes da saq-
mis praqtikul ganxorcieleba-
sac mohkides xeli _ inguSeT-
Tan sazRvris dasadgenad Seqm-
nes samTavrobo komisia, ro-
melSic parlamentis wevrebisa
da ministrebis garda cnobili
istorikosebi da sazogado
moRvaweebic arian. am komisiis
pirveli sxdoma ukve gaimarTa
seqtembris dasawyisSi.
CeCneTis xelmZRvanelobas,
romelmac dudaevis `damnaSave
reJimis~ xelmowerili doku-
mentebis gauqmeba ganizraxa, me-
zobeli Zmuri respublikis da-
Sinebas sayveduroben _ adre
problemebs uxucesebi da reli-
giuri liderebi uxmaurod agva-
rebdnen, axla ki moskovis mxar-
daWeriT arian gulmocemulni.
inguSeTSi CeCneTis xeli-
suflebis gamomwvev qcevas
provokaciad afaseben. Tanaxma-
ni arian, monawileoba miiRon
sazRvris dadgenaSi, magram ka-
tegoriulad ewinaaRmdegebian
mis Secvlas _ amas seriozu-
li konfliqti mohyvebao.
axla, roca mTlianad
CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi, gansa-
kuTrebiT ki mezobel daRes-
tanSi eTnikuri da religiuri
mZafri brZolebia gaCaRebuli;
roca inguSeTs uamravi
ltolvili hyavs da mezobel
osebTan mougvarebeli teri-
toriuli problemebi aqvs,
groznos wamowyebuli teri-
toriuli kamaTi kavkasiolo-
gebs inguSebisTvis zurgSi
maxvilis Cacemad miaCniaT.
ar aris gamoricxuli, mos-
kovisgan frTaSesxmul kadi-
rovs mada gaezardos, isargeb-
los daRestanSi Seqmnili
mdgomareobiT da pretenzia
ganacxados groznos sazRv-
rispira hasaviurtis raion-
zec, romelic 1921 wlamde
CeCneTs ekuTvnoda. kavkasiis
sakiTxTa eqspertebi acnobie-
reben, rom dapirispirebis axa-
li keris Seqmna mtris wisq-
vilze wylis dasxmis tolfa-
si iqneba da regionSi stabi-
lurobisa da mSvidobis damya-
reba kidev ufro gadavaddeba.
mimoxilva moamzada
g.WavWavaZem.
ruseTi saerTaSoriso wesebis imitacias axdens.
vidre sababi ar eqneba, saqarTvelosken ar gaixedavs
vis sWirdeba axali konfliqti vainax Zmebs Soris
saRi azri agresiis winaaRmdeg
22 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
Zvaluka, anu fexis didi TiTebis
deformacia erT-erTi yvelaze gavr-
celebuli orTopediuli problemaa,
romelic umTavresad mSvenieri sqe-
sis warmomadgenlebs awuxebT.
mamakacebSi didi TiTebis defor-
macia metad iSviaTad viTardeba da
umeteswilad terfis mikrotravmebi-
Taa gamowveuli.
qalebSi mas ramdenime mizezi
aqvs. maT Soris mTavaria terfis di-
di TiTebis myesTa Tandayolili de-
feqti, romelic qalbatonebs memk-
vidreobiT gadaecemaT dedisgan.
Zvalukas medicinaSi hilus vagu-
si ewodeba. igi banaluri brtyel-
terfianobiT iwyeba.
mogexsenebaT, adamianis terfi
kunTebis, Zvlebis, myesebisa da ioge-
bisgan Sedgeba. rodesac adamians
brtyelterfianobis gamo ganivi Ta-
Ris defeqti uviTardeba, misi didi
TiTis falangis gverdiT erTmaneTis
paralelurad mdebare falangebi da
maTTan erTad TiTebic maraos msgav-
sad iwyebs gaSlas. es moZraoba arc
ise negatiuri iqneboda, danarCen Ti-
Tebs cerac rom ayoloda, magram igi
am dros sxvebis msgavsad maraose-
burad ki ar iSleba, piriqiT ter-
fis SigniT ixreba; Sedegad _ saxsa-
ri formas icvlis, didi TiTis fa-
langi nawilobriv gamodis saxsri-
dan da sagrZnoblad idrikeba, es ki
iseTi Sesaxedia, TiTqos cera TiTis
fuZesTan patara girCi gamoizarda
an axali patara Zvali ganviTarda,
swored amitom miiRo terfis aseT-
ma deformaciam xalxSi girCis sa-
xelwodeba.
terfi CaquCs
daemsgavsa
terfs da gansa-
kuTrebiT ki mis cera
TiTs mudmivi kontaq-
ti aqvs fexsacmel-
Tan, ris gamoc is ga-
mudmebiT iWyliteba
da travmirdeba, zian-
deba misi kani, iyvli-
feba da deformire-
buli adgili kudev
ufro metad ziandeba.
bolos ki yalib-
deba saxsris anTeba
da dasawyisSi `girCis~ adgilas uk-
ve Zvlovan-xrtilovani wanazardi
warmoiqmneba.
droTa ganmavlobaSi deformire-
buli didi TiTi zians ayenebs mezo-
bel TiTebsac: isini iZulebuli xde-
bian moixaron da arabunebrivi mimar-
TulebiT imoZraon, ris Sedegadac
terfi CaquCis formas Rebulobs.
rogor moviqceT
Zvalukas mkurnalobis mxolod
erTi _ qirurgiuli meTodi arse-
bobs.
erTxans pirdapir xrtilovan wa-
nazards an didi TiTis Zvals kveT-
dnen. dRes damokidebuleba radika-
lurad Seicvala _ Zvaluka aRiqmeba
ara mxolod didi TiTis (rogorc
adre miaCndaT), aramed mTeli ter-
fis daavadebad, amitom mkurnalobac
kompleqsuria da terfis yvela sax-
srisa da myesis koreqcias gulisx-
mobs.
operaciamde rekomendebulia kom-
presebi, iodis badeebi, masaJi, sam-
kurnalo mcenareTa naxarSis Tbili
abazanebi, magram gaxsovdeT, rom es
mxolod droebiTi saSualebania,
romlebic aseve droebiT Sedegs iZ-
leva. maTi daxmarebiT mcirdeba ter-
fSi anTebiTi procesi da misi Tanm-
devi tkivilic klebulobs, magram
problema bolomde mougvarebeli
rCeba _ deformirebuli terfis sa-
fuZvliani mkurnaloba mxolod da
mxolod qirurgiuli wesiTaa SesaZ-
lebeli.
axali saswavlo wlis da-
wyebis kvaldakval, pediku-
lozTan (datilianeba) erTad,
gansakuTrebul aqtualobas
iZens paraziti WiebiT gamow-
veuli daavadebebi.
ra daavadebaa enterobio-
zi? rogor moviqce, rom Svi-
li ar damiavaddes? Tu mainc
dainficirda, tradiciuli
preparatebiT vumkurnalo Tu
aratradiciul saSualebebs
vendo? _ es is kiTxvebia,
romlebze pasuxic bevri mSob-
lisTvis aris saintereso.
enterobiozi yvelaze gavr-
celebuli helminTozia (para-
zituli WiiT gamowveuli da-
avadeba), mas wvrili, patara,
TeTri feris maxvilboloebia-
ni Wia _ enterobiusi iwvevs,
romelic nawlavSi moxvedris
Semdeg kvercxs debs da mrav-
ldeba. parazitis kvercxi sak-
maod mdgradi da gamZlea ga-
remos araxelsayreli faqto-
rebisa Tu madezinficirebeli
saSualebebis mimarT. garemoSi
paraziti 25 dRe cocxlobs,
kanalizaciis milebSi ki 7-dan
21 dRemde inarCunebs gamrav-
lebis unars.
vviinn SSeeiiZZlleebbaa ddaaaavvaadd-
ddeess
eenntteerroobbiioozziiTT??
daavadebisgan saimedo da
gansakuTrebuli dacvis saSua-
leba ar arsebobs _ SesaZloa,
daavaddes nebismieri adamiani,
nebismier asakSi, Tumca daava-
debulTa umravlesoba 3-idan
10-14-wlamde asakis bavSvebi
arian, yvelaze metad ki es da-
avadeba 4-6 wlis bavSvebSi
aRiniSneba.
ggaannssaakkuuTTrreebbiiTT aavvaaddoobbeenn::
1. bavSvebi, romelTa de-
debsac orsulobis meore
trimestrSi toqsikozi aRe-
niSnebodaT;
2. xelovnuri sakvebiT ga-
mozrdilebi;
3. xangrZlivad da xSirad
moavadeni;
4. patarebi dabali socia-
luri statusis mqone ojaxe-
bidan;
5. im sabavSvo baRebisa Tu
skolebis aRsazrdelebi, ro-
melTa Senobebic ar akmayofi-
lebs dadgenil normativebs.
daavadebis wyaro mxolod
adamiania, amitom mcdaria mo-
sazreba, rom enterobioziT
bavSvi SesaZloa Sinaurma
cxovelma daainficiros.
rrooddiiss uunnddaa
ggaammoovviikkvvlliiooTT bbaavvSSvvii
ddaaaavvaaddeebbiiss ZZiirriiTTaaddii ssiimmpp-
ttoommeebbiiaa::
muclis tkivili, xSiri
gulisreva da Rebineba, kuW-
nawlavis traqtis anTebiTi
daavadebebi, advilad gadaRla,
gaRizianebadoba, mSfoTvare
Zili, ZilSi kbilebis kraWu-
ni, alergiuli reaqciebi: ga-
monayari da perianaluri (uka-
na tanis) qavili, gogonebSi
xSiria vulvovaginiti _ sa-
Sos lorwovani garsis anTeba,
Sardgamomyofi sistemis in-
feqciebi.
am niSnebis didi nawili
sxva saxis helminTozebsac
axasiaTebs, magram enterobio-
zisTvis gansakuTrebiT ori
ram aris damaxasiaTebeli _
perianaluri qavili da muc-
lis tkivili.
ppeerriiaannaalluurrii qqaavviillii xSi-
rad daavadebis erTaderTi
simptomic kia, rac mdedri pa-
razitis ukana tanis naoWebSi
gamosvliTa da iq kvercxis
debiTaa gamowveuli. qavili
yvelaze metad RamiT, 11 saa-
Tidan 1-l saaTamde Zlierde-
ba. swored am periodSi eZle-
vaT parazitebs maqsimaluri
Sansi usafrTxod kvercxdebi-
sa, romlebic dilisaTvis uk-
ve aswreben momwifebas.
mSoblebi xSirad aRniSna-
ven, rom mkurnalobis miuxeda-
vad, maTi patara RamiT ukana-
tans mainc iqavebs. es nu Se-
gaSinebT, namkurnalev bavSveb-
Si qavili refleqsuri xasia-
Tisaa, romelic garkveuli pe-
riodis Semdeg TavisiT gaiv-
lis.
RamiT dadebuli kvercxi-
dan dilisaTvis ukve axali
parazitebi iCekebian, romle-
bic xSirad ganavalTan erTad
gamoiyofa. parazitebis gamo-
yofa gansakuTrebiT Zlierde-
ba sxeulis temperaturis ma-
tebisas, didi raodenobiT
citrusis wvenis an mineralu-
ri wylis dalevisas.
mmuucclliiss ttkkiivviillii _ aseve
xSiri simptomia mwvave tkivi-
li, romelic lokalizebulia
Wipis areSi; nawlavis kedel-
ze parazitebis miwebebis Se-
degad lorwovani garsi Rizi-
andeba da tkivili, wesisamebr,
Wamisas iwyeba, Tumca, iSvia-
Tad, SesaZloa, Wamis Semdegac
gaZlierdes.
ddaaaavvaaddeebbiiss
nneeggaattiiuurrii SSeeddeeggeebbii
1. imunitetis daTrgunva _
helminTebi aqveiTebs sisxlSi
damcavi nivTierebebis dones
da nerwyvis fermentebis aqti-
vobas;
2. enterobioziT daavade-
bul bavSvebSi sagrZnoblad
mcirdeba profilaqtikuri ac-
rebis efeqtianoba, amitom ac-
rebis Catarebamde aucilebe-
lia nebismieri saxis helmin-
Tozis mkurnaloba.
3. zrda-ganviTarebis tem-
pebis Seneleba _ qronikulad
moavade bavSvebis sisxlSi
mkveTrad klebulobs spilen-
Zis, TuTiisa da magniumis ra-
odenoba, am mikroelementTa
deficiti ki, rogorc fiziku-
ri ise gonebrivi ganviTarebis
Semaferxebeli faqtoria;
4. garTuleba _ daavadeba
SesaZloa garTuldes Wianaw-
lavis danamatis anTebiT (apen-
diciti), ukana tanis napra-
liT da zogjer enureziT _
RamiT Sardis SeukavlobT.
rrooggoorr aavviicciillooTT
eenntteerroobbiioozzii
* upirveles yovlisa, pa-
tara unda miaCvioT piradi hi-
gienis wesebs, gadaaCvieT Ti-
Tebisa da saTamaSoebis pirSi
Cadebas, xSirad unda ibanos
xeli sapniT, enterobiozi xom
`WuWyiani xelebis daavadebaa~;
* pataras frCxilebi yo-
velTvis ZirSi unda daaWraT;
* aucilebelia yovel di-
la-saRamos maTi wels qvemoT
dabanva;
* Tu bavSvi dainficire-
bulia, RamiT iseTi sacvali
unda CaacvaT, rom ZilSi uka-
na tanis qavili ver SeZlos;
sacvali yoveli garecxvis
Semdeg unda gauTovdes cxeli
uToTi. mkurnalobis periodSi
aucilebelia TeTreulis xSi-
ri gamocvla, gamoxarSva da
gauToeba.
* saxli, gansakuTrebiT sa-
bavSvo oTaxi da iataki, unda
dasufTavdes sveli wesiT, sp-
ecialuri xsnarebiT, romle-
bic sagnebs moacilebs kverc-
xebs da gaanadgurebs kidec.
* kvercxebze damRupvelad
moqmedebs ramdenime saaTiT
yinva an kaSkaSa mzis pirdapi-
ri sxivebi;
* aucilebelia bavSvis ra-
cionSi Sediodes: stafilo,
marwyvi, broweulis wveni, ka-
kali, krazanas Cai, romlebic
organizmidan parazitis gamo-
devnas uwyobs xels;
* bavSvs aucileblad unda
hqondes calke sawoli da
pirsaxoci.
sabednierod, enterobiozi
arc ise saSiSi daavadebaa da
Tanamedrove medicinis piro-
bebSi absoluturad ikurneba.
zviad RonRaZe
enterobiozi _ organizmSi maxvila parazitobs
`girCebi~ terfze
23saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
Cemi inkognito respondenti
axalgazrda, simpaTiuri kacia.
qristes asaki jer ar Semsru-
lebiao, _ ganmicxada da isic
daamata, rom JurnalistebTan
saqme arasdros hqonia, `Tqven
popularuli adamianebi gainte-
resebT, me ki bevri miklia aqam-
de, Tumca Cems axloblebSi po-
pularulic var da metic. ax-
la imitom dagTanxmdiT, rom
Cemi vinaoba ar iSifreba, Tanac
am Temaze usasrulod SemiZlia
saubari, ramdens dabeWdavT, es
ukve Tqveni saqmea~ _ miTxra
`debiutantma~.
saubari marTlac xangrZli-
vi gamogvivida. ai, ra miambo za-
zam (saxeli Secvlilia): `usiy-
varulod Seqmnili ojaxi oja-
xad ar mimaCnia, magram moyvaru-
li col-qmaric rom xSirad
ver eteva culis tarze, esec
faqtia. cocxali magaliTi age-
ra var: asi welic rom vicocx-
lo, mainc ver mivxvdebi, ra
bzikma ukbina Cems cols. arada,
TiTqos, kargad vicnobdiT erT-
maneTs. orwliani romani gvqon-
da. Tu misi mxridan naRdi siy-
varuli ar iyo da Tavs maCve-
nebda, maSin udidesi msaxiobi
yofila da aq raRa unda _ ga-
emgzavros holivudSi, arc da-
faseba moakldeba da arc _ mi-
lionebi. Tqven warmogidgeniaT,
uerTmaneTod erT saaTsac ver
vZlebdiT, xan me vijeqi mis
leqciebze da xan piriqiT, uam-
ravi winaaRmdegoba Segvxvda da
mainc erTad viyaviT _ nuTu es
siyvaruli ar iyo? winaaRmde-
gobebi vaxsene, axlave davakon-
kreteb: xom iciT, dRes iseTi
cxovrebaa, rom kaci SeiZleba
daberde da materialuri prob-
lemebi mainc ver moagvaro, Cven
ki studentebi viyaviT, arc mis
ojaxs gadasdioda Tavze da
arc Cemsas, binis yidvas an da-
qiravebas ki fuli sWirdeboda.
saidan unda mometana? kafeSi
Tu davpatiJebdi, Tavi kaci me-
gona. vatyob, gagikvirdaT, bina
rom vaxsene, albaT, ggoniaT,
rom calke cxovrebaze viyaviT
Caciklulni. rasakvirvelia,
axalgazrda wyvils yovelTvis
calke cxovreba urCevnia, mag-
ram Cven, ubralod, sxva arCeva-
ni ar gvqonda, gamigeT? orive
ojaxma wiTeli agvinTo _ Ce-
mebs misi saxelis gagonebac ar
undodaT, _ bavSvians ar mogay-
vaninebTo, _ gamomicxades da
bolomde `pirvel Cvenebas awve-
bodnen~. ra ar vcade: Txovna,
mudara, Segoneba, Cxubi _ ara-
ferma gaWra. me eg ambavi sul
ar maRelvebda: 17 wlis gogos
ra Wkua, moekiTxeba, hoda, ga-
regnobiT moixibla, mere ki er-
Tjeradi Spricebis gadayras
ver audioda, ori weli gauZlo
am jojoxeTs, bolos ki bavSvs
xeli daavlo da saxlSi dab-
runda. ra, Tavi unda gaewira?
misi yofili qmari dResac Cam-
pali narkomania, Tumca Zvele-
burad frTebgaSlili da gala-
Rebuli veRar aris. rogorc
gavige, viTom mkurnalobs ki-
dec, magram, ra vici, ginaxavT
gamosworebuli narkomani? mok-
led, mere me gamicno, tolebi
viyaviT, bevri saerTo aRmogvaC-
nda da erTmaneTi Segviyvarda.
me aranairad ar makompleqsebda
misi ganaTxovroba, magram Cemebs
veraferi Sevagnebine.
axla, rac Seexeba mis
ojaxs: es vis gadaekideo, bavS-
vis patroni xar da vinme gza-
ze damdgari mogeZebnao, Seni
toli biWi jer TviTonaa ga-
sazrdeli da ver gipatroneb-
so... erTi sityviT, yvela Tavi-
sas mierekeboda: Cems mSoblebs
ganaTxovari rZali ar nebavdaT,
imaT ki _ studenti siZe. Cven
ra gvindoda, amas aravin kiTxu-
lobda.
iciT, rodis amomasxa? erT
dResac dedaCemi meca da meub-
neba, _ dRes naTelmxilvelTan
viyavi da mosacdel oTaxSi Se-
ni qalbatonis dedas gadavawy-
dio. sanam azrze movidodi,
`Cemma qalbatonmac~ damireka
da Semomtira, _ dedaCemma la-
mis suli amomxados, Seni kava-
leris dedas naTelmxilvelTan
ra undodao. azrze xarT? al-
baT Cveni suraTebi hqondaT wa-
Rebuli da orive maTgani dar-
wmunebuli iyo, rom misi Svili
jados Tu raRac jandabis
msxverpli gaxda. ai, Tqven ge-
cinebaT, me ki maSin ise gavm-
wardi, rom saxlSi lamis yve-
laferi davlewe _ naTelmxil-
veli da mkiTxavi ukve nametani
iyo. im dResve naqiraveb binaSi
gadavediT. vicodi, vuyvardi da
ukan araferze damixevia. me
mgoni, yvelaze bednieri swo-
red iq viyavi, sxvis WurqveS.
jer biZaCemi mixdida qiras, me-
re _ Cemi megobari. amasobaSi
institutic davamTavre. mamam
samsaxuri damawyebina da miTx-
ra, _ imitom gexmarebi, rom
puris fuli gqondes; namdvil
karierasa da normalur cxov-
rebaze ki mag gogos rom mia-
toveb da Sin dabrundebi, mere
iocnebeo. ori weli gavida da
yvela mixvda, rom colis mim-
tovebeli ar viyavi. amaSi sabo-
lood maSin darwmundnen, xeli
rom movawereT. mere misma
ojaxma SemogvTavaza, _ CvenTan
gadmodiTo da gadavbargdiT _
binis qiris gadaxdisgan suli
gvqonda amoxdili da es prob-
lema mainc movixseniT. Cemebs
araferi gauprotestebiaT:
TiTqos, asec unda yofiliyo:
me unda mecxovra colis ojax-
Si da ara piriqiT. miTxres, _
Svili rom SegeZinebaT, binis
yidvaSi dagexmarebiTo. gulSi
ras fiqrobdnen, ar vici, da
verc gavigeb, radgan saerTo
Svili ar gvyolia. gana ar vi-
yolieT, eg ar ifiqroT! bavSv-
ze vocnebobdiT, eqimsac miv-
marTeT da aRmoCnda, rom ori-
veni janmrTeli viyaviT _ ama-
sobaSi ki ise airia monasteri,
rom... ai, magaliTad, nards rom
Wadraki merCios, an Saqriani
yava, ufro miyvardes, vidre
uSaqro, gaRiziandebiT? ara,
xom? agaSenaT RmerTma. Cems
cols ki Zalian aRizianebda,
Tumca imas ra aRar aRizianeb-
da! cxadia, yavasa da Wadraks
ar vgulisxmob _ saerTod aRa-
raferi moswonda Cemi, Cemi
sityvac nervebs uSlida da
saqmec. erTxelac pirdapir ga-
momicxada, _ erTad veRar viq-
nebiT, daviRaleo.
umizezod araferi xdeba,
magram usindiso viyo, Tu misi
aseTi qcevis mizezi vicode. er-
Ti rusuli simReraa: `×òîá íå
ïèë, íå êóðèë è öâåòè âñåòäàäàðèë~ rom icodeT, zustad
Cemzea. tyuilad geRimebaT, ara-
fers vazviadeb.
erTma Wkvianma kacma Tqva, _
qali CrdiliviTaa, roca misdev
_ garbis, roca gaurbixar _
Tavad gamogekidebao. xom magari
sityvebia? hoda, me es sibrZne
verafriT davnerge praqtikaSi,
verasodes vaeWviane, verafriT
davaintrige, zedmetad miyvarda
da imitom. araferi gansakuTre-
buli qali araa _ ki, sasiamov-
no garegnoba aqvs, magram gasa-
giJebeli namdvilad ar aris.
garegnoba arafer SuaSia, ubra-
lod, miyvarda da morCa! sakma-
od didi dro gavida, rac er-
Tad aRar varT, masze ukeTesTa-
nac gamivlia, magram vgrZnob,
rom Tavs vityueb, imis dam-
viwyebeli ara var...
Tu gulaxdilobaa, bolomde
gulaxdiloba iyos: mag qalis
gamo yvelaferze var wamsvle-
li, ar menaRvleba, Tu vinmes
TvalSi sasacilo gamovCndebi _
SeiZleba kaci movkla da xeli
ar amikankaldes. ho, marTla
asea _ SeiZleba movkla Cemi Se-
uracxmyofelis Seuracxmyofe-
li...~
P.S. vici, rom alqajia, mag-
ram mainc qveyanas mirCevniao, _
miTxra Cemma repondentma. Zne-
lia, ivaraudo, rogor warimar-
Teba movlenebi. faqtia, rom
umizezod araferi xdeba, Tumca
adamianis gulSi Caxedva da
WeSmariti mizezis moZieba su-
lac ar gaxlavT ioli saqme.
mkiTxvelo, iqneb Tavad gan-
sazRvro, ram gamoiwvia siyva-
ruliT Seqmnili ojaxis dang-
reva: droebiTma materialurma
gaWirvebam, qmris monotonurma
xasiaTma (rogorc Tavad aRniS-
na), qalis pretenziebma Tu mis-
ma cvalebadma bunebam _ `murma-
nis ekali~ xom mravalgvaria...
nino sixaruliZe
`murmanis ekali~
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.comSSeemmooggvviieerrTTddiiTT FACEBOOK-zze
axmed umarovi, SesaZloa, TbilisSi axmet Citaevis saqmeze
molaparakebebs marTavdeseqsperti kavkasiis sakiTxebSi mamuka areSiZe
ar gamoricxavs, rom doku umarovis Zma, axmed
umarovi, SesaZloa, saqarTveloSi axmet Citaevis
saqmeze imyofebo-
des. „medianius-
Tan“ saubrisas igi
„exo kavkazas“ mi-
er gavrcelebul
informacias gamo-
exmaura, romlis
mixedviTac, axmed
umarovi Tbilis-
Sia.
rogorc areSi-
Zem aRniSna, mas zusti informacia ar moepoveba,
Tumca im saubarze dayrdnobiT, romelic umarov-
sa da „exo kavkazis“korespondents Soris Sedga,
SesaZloa, es ukanaskneli marTlac saqarTvelos
dedaqalaqSi iyos Camosuli.
„Tu axmed umarovi TbilisSia, SesaZloa, is
axmed Citaevis saqmesTan dakavSirebiT iyos aq da
molaparakebebs marTavdes. axmed Citaevi serio-
zuli figura da axmed umarovis piradi megoba-
ria“, –– ganmarta mamuka areSiZem.
rogorc cnobilia, axmed Citaevi ruseTis fe-
deraciis moqalaqea CrdiloeT kavkasiidan. is
SeiaraRebuli dajgufebis erT-eerTi wevria, ro-
melic Sinagan saqmeTa saministros TanamSromleb-
ma lopotas xeobaSi daakaves. Sinagan saqmeTa sa-
ministros informaciT, igi dakavebisas daWrili
iyo da Sesabamisi samedicino daxmareba gaewia.
aRsaniSnavia, rom axmed umarovi interpolis
mier ar iZebneba. interpoli wiTeli cirkulariT
doku umarovs eZebs.
Crdilo oseTis teritoriaze amboxebulebis dajgufeba aRmoaCinesCrdiloeT oseTis ganapira teritoriaze am-
boxebulebis dajgufeba aRmoaCines.
,,ria novostis” informaciiT, dajgufebis aR-
moCenis gamo Crdilo oseTis gareubanSi kontr-
teroristuli operaciis reJimia SemoRebuli.
samarTaldamcavebis gancxadebiT, maTTan ope-
ratiul StabSi Sevida informacia, rom Crdilo
oseTisa da inguSeTis administraciul sazRvar-
ze, tyis masivSi bandformireba aRmoCnda, rome-
lic teroristul saqmianobaSi aris SemCneuli.
im teritoriaze, sadac operacia mimdinare-
obs, fizikuri pirebis gadaadgilebasTan dakavSi-
rebiT SezRudvebia SemoRebuli.
arsebuli informaciiT, bandformireba daax-
loebiT 10 adamianisgan Sedgeba.
`medianiusi~
`se la vi~
24 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
Toki zRvis donidan 1640
metris simaRleze, kanionis Tav-
zea, Sua gzaze ki erTi Zalian sa-
intereso Zeglia, sadamdec qvei-
Tad, daaxloebiT, naxevari kilo-
metria sasiarulo wavarnebiT. es
teritoria sofel Toks ekuTvnis
da eklesias, samecniero litera-
turaSi, amitom hqvia Tokis mo-
nasteri. adgilobrivi qarTvelebi,
erTi legendis Tanaxmad, mas da-
Zmis monasters uwodeben (am le-
gendas sxva dros, sofel CunCxa-
Si yofnisas giambobT). da-Zmis mo-
nasterSi, am saydris garda, kani-
onis meore mxares, missave simaR-
leze mdebare naisis eklesia moi-
azreba. eklesiebi erTmaneTs uyu-
reben da TvalsawieriT 250-300
metri aSorebT.
Tokis terasaze mdgari sayda-
ri, romelTanac, axla mivdivarT,
sinamdvileSi or eklesias aerTi-
anebs. samxreTiT, dabla, mcire na-
gebobaa (Sida zomebia 3,10X1,90
m), igi zogan uxeSad damuSavebu-
li, magram Tanabari zomis mcire
qviTaa amoyvanili, zogan sufTad
gaTlili veeba kvadrebiT. qvaTa
Tlis, SerCevisa da wyobis aseTi
Sexameba adreSuasaukuneebisTvis
aris damaxasiaTebeli.
salocavi dasavleTidan naxe-
varwriuli TaRiTaa gaxsnili. es
nagebobis erTaderTi Sesasvle-
lia. yuradRebas ipyrobs sakur-
Txevlis absidis Semkvreli er-
Tob monumenturi, nalisebri moy-
vanilobis TaRi. samlocvelo VII-
IX saukuneebiT unda daTariRes.
am uZveles samlocveloze
mogvianebiT, daaxloebiT XIII-XIV
saukuneebSi, CrdiloeTidan gaci-
lebiT didi saydari miudgamT,
romelsac, Tavis mxriv, Tanadro-
uli CrdiloeTis ori minaSeni
aqvs. maTgan erT-erTi damatebiT
samlocvelos warmoadgens da
mTavar darbazs gaSlili TaRiT
ukavSirdeba. rogorc didi, ise
mcire darbazis sakurTxevlis ab-
sidis naxevarwre dabrecilia.
mTliani taZris Sida zomebia:
sigrZeSi 9,3 m. siganeSi 7,1 m. da-
axloebiT 1 m.-is sisqis kedlebi
sufTad gaTlili qvis didi kvad-
rebiTaa ayvanili da maTze aranai-
ri CuqurTma ar aris.
...gza nel-nnela Crdilo-aaRmo-
savleTiT ixreba. TokSi Sevdi-
varT. sofelSi metnaklebad saR-
salamaTad aTiod saxli gamoiyu-
reba da aqedanac naxevars boqlo-
mi adevs. ai, ukve ori saaTia, rac
TokSi vtrialebT, magram erTi
TavCaqindruli kacis garda aravis
gauvlia _ puris tomrebiT dat-
virTuli cxeni mihyavs. karga mo-
SorebiT Saosani dedaberi saqmia-
nobs aivanze... arc ZaRlis yefa,
arc mamlis yivili.
osmalos batonobisas welSi
rom gatyda Toki, mas mere asea _
vinc marTlmadidebloba ar daT-
mo, gadaixvewa, vinc daTmo, _ ga-
Turqda da ierli gaxda. 1944 we-
ls ierli Sua aziaSi gadaasax-
les da Toki mTlad dacarielda.
mere, TiTqos,
axlomdebare qa-
rTuli sofle-
bidan amovida
ramdenime komli,
magram, xeli-
suflebis uyu-
radRebobis gamo,
umetesobam fexi
ver moikida.
Tokis centrSi XIV saukunis
darbazuli saydari, sabednierod,
aRdgenilia. Tlili, ruxi qvis
daudevari wyobiT aSenebul ekle-
sias etyoba, rom XIV saukunis
ostati iseTi gulmodgine ar iyo,
rogorc misi winapari. kargamoke-
tili saydris win IX-X saukune-
ebis ramdenime qvajvari devs. od-
nav moSorebiT WobareTisxevs ga-
dascqeris Zveli, mkvdari sofeli.
morRveuli saxlebis kedlebi yo-
reTa doneze dasula. TiTqos
soflisTvis saxuravi auxdiaT da
zevidan davcqeri Camqral si-
cocxles. kidev ufro aRmosavle-
TiT, zed kldis Tavze, dangreu-
li koSkia, romelic bolos, Tur-
me, gamahmadianebul abaSiZes ekuT-
vnoda.
vtovebT Toks da dasavleTiT,
sarosken mivemgzavrebiT. sevdas
xalisi cvlis, sasowarkveTas _
imedi. da es ara imitom, rom sa-
ro didad dalxinebuli sofelia,
aramed imitom, rom fesvi ar gax-
mobia da qarTuli sisxli ar daS-
retia.
TurqTa uRlis dros saroe-
lebma udidesi gmiroba gamoiCines.
maSin, roca javaxeTis erTma na-
wilma gamahmadianebas Tavi ver
aarida, xolo meore nawilma ga-
darCenis mizniT kaTolikoba mii-
Ro, saroelebma daufaravad ata-
res sjuli. karga xnis manZilze,
javaxs rom ityodnen, gaTurqebu-
li Tu gakaTolikebuli qarTveli
an aq mosuli somxebi hyavdaT
mxedvelobaSi. saroelebs maTSi
aTqvefa ar surdaT da protesti
Taviseburad gamoxates. es erTi
leqsidan Cans: `sarvelebi Tavis
Tavsa javaxelad ara scnoben,
vinc javaxi dauZaxos, im kacs
hkicxven, im kacs gmoben~.
amJamindeli 200-komliani sa-
ro zevidan dascqeris mis sakre-
buloSi Semaval patara nijgors,
romelic yurZniT, xiliT da me-
tadre kaklis siuxviT iwonebs
Tavs mtkvris xeobaSi, orive sof-
lis xalxi, Cemi dakvirvebiT er-
Ti `Camosxmisaa~. istoriuli qar-
texilebis kvali dResac SemorCe-
nia aqaur vaJkacTa gafoladebul,
daxvewil saxeebs, gamoxedvas da
mozomil sityvas. erT-erT maT-
gans, siberes miaxloebul vaso
aspaniZes sasiamovno garegnobis,
darbaisel kacs im uZeelesi ci-
xis naSalTan mivyavar, romlis
warwera misi amgebis vinaobas
gvacnobs _ vaCe gurgenis Ze. mis-
Tvis demetre pirvels rexi da ma-
Wa uCuqebia. gamodis, rom Zegli
XII saukunisaa, arada qvaTa mega-
liTur wyobas, TiTqos, gacile-
biT Zvel droSi gadavyavarT. aqve
dgas IX-X saukuneebis mTavarange-
lozebis ornaviani eklesia. masSi
dRemdea Semonaxuli sawinamZRvro
bavrayi, romelsac yovelwliurad
gamoabrZaneben xolme da sofelSi
daatareben. saroSi yvelaferi Za-
lian saintereso da arqaulia:
viwro, yoriani quCabandebi, erdo-
baniani, dedaboZiani da mercxlis-
buda Weriani darbazebi, adamiane-
bi, Tivisa da wivis zvinebi. TiT-
qos mamalic qarTulad yivis. er-
Ti saxlis win oTaraanT qvrivis
msgavsi dedakaci Camomjdara da
windas qsovs, gzaze viRac saxed-
rebs modenis, iqve _ ficrulidan
grdemlisa da uros Widi-
lis xma ismis _ mWedeli
sofels amxnevebs.
aq, saroSi, bibliur
sofels Sevcqeri.
sarodan 4-5 kilo-
metrSi, saroswylis ayo-
lebaze, mis marjvena na-
pirze xizabavraa gaSene-
buli. xizabavra is sofe-
lia, romelmac aspinZis
omSi gamarjvebul mefe
erekles sanaqebod umas-
pinZla. sofeli somexi
mematianis cnobiT, 841-
842 wlebidan Cans, roca
saqarTveloSi SemoWrili
arabi sardali xalil
ibn-iazidi swored javaxeTSi,
kerZod ki xizabirSi mouklavT.
amdenad, is versia, rom xizabavra
ori soflis mkvidrTa erTobli-
vi dasaxlebiT warmoqmnili to-
ponimia, Zalian Zvel dros unda
gvaxsenebdes. erTi sofeli `xi-
za~, sadRac maxloblad yofila,
meore _ `bavra~ ki dResac zed
akravs axalqalaqs. 300-komlian
xizabavrSi, dRes 290 komli ka-
Tolike qarTvelia, danarCeni 10
marTlmadidebelia. kaTolikeni
XIX saukunis bolos vatikanis
daxmarebiT agebul da dRes moq-
med im did taZarSi loculoben,
romelsac `qristes wminda guli~
hqvia. marTlmadidebelTa Zveli,
patara, magram ostaturad nagebi
darbazuli eklesia XI saukunisa
unda iyos, rasac erT-erTi war-
weris (`qriste, Seiwyale... mamai
suliTa da giorgi Seiwyale~) pa-
leografiuli analizi cxadh-
yofs. eseklesia wminda giorgis
saxelobisaa, magram xibazavrSi
mas kidev ori Serqmeuli saxeli
aqvs: `laSas saydari~ da `Rarib-
Ta eklesia~. pirveli saxeli, al-
baT taZris erT-erTi warweris
gamoZaxilia, romelSic laSa-gi-
orgia naxsenebi (`qriste, Seiwya-
le laSa alastneli javaxT ufa-
li~). meore saxeli imdroindeli
unda iyos, roca osmaleTis impe-
riaSi yofnisas (axalcixis safa-
So), aqauri da SedarebiT laRad
mcxovrebi gakaTolikebuli qarT-
velebi, marTlmadideblad darCe-
nil da dabeCavebul qarTvelebs
medidurad uyurebdnen. am patara
taZars aqvs osmalos batonobis
dros Semovlebuli galavani, ro-
melSic mxedruli asoebiT Sere-
uli nusxuri warwera aris: `sa-
xeliTa RmrTisiTa ahRmarTes ...
Cven saroelman...~ rogorc es
warwera cxadhyofs, osmaleTis
batonobaSi saroelebi xizabavra-
Si mcxovrebi marTlmadidebeli
qarTvelebis gadarCenazec zru-
navdnen da maT taZars ganamtki-
cebdnen.
laSas taZris galavanTan er-
Ti didi, gemrieli wyaro gadmos-
Cqefs. vinc ar unda gaiaros aq,
marTlmadidebelma Tu kaTolikem,
yvela am wyaros ewafeba.
gela qoqiaSviliavtoris fotoebi
mmooggzzaauurroobbaa ssaammSSoobbllooSSii
sarosmamalitye-javaxeTi
saros mTavarangelozis eklesia da cixis koSkis naSali
Tokis monasteri, soflis eklesia `wminda giorgi~ Tavisi
stelebiT da xizabavris `laSas saydari~
xxaannddooSSii yyooffnniissaass WWoobbaarreeTTiisswwyylliiss ggaaRRmmaa,,
SSoorrss eerrTTii ppaattaarraa ddaassaaxxlleebbaa SSeevvnniiSSnneeTT.. eegg qqaarr-
TTuullii ssooffeellii TTookkii aarriissoo,, aaggvviixxssnneess xxaannddooee-
lleebbmmaa.. xxaannddooddaann TTookkSSii,, RRrrmmaa xxeevviiss ggaammoo,, ggzzaa
ppiirrddaappiirr aarr ggaaddaaddiiss.. iiqq aann vvaarreevvnniiddaann uunnddaa
mmooxxvvddee aann jjaavvaaxxeeTTiiss mmttkkvvrriiss ((iiggiivvee ffaarraavvnniiss-
wwyylliiss)) kkaanniioonniiddaann aammaavvaallii ggzziiTT.. CCvveenn aamm uukkaannaass-
kknneellss vviirrCCeevvTT.. aassppiinnZZaa-aaxxaallqqaallaaqqiiss ttrraassaazzee
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mmeettrrzzee ggzziiddaann xxeellmmaarrccxxnniivv vvuuxxvveevvTT ddaa sseerrppaann-
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25saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
SevardnaZe
qveyanas angrevda!
evroamerika SevardnaZes aqebda
da aqebda!
Cavida safrangeTSi SevardnaZe!
didi pativiscemiT miiRes!
misma sazRvargareTelma megob-
rebma kargad ician, ra bedovlaTia
`didi politikosi~, magram mTava-
ria Cven, qarTvelebma davijeroT
es ambavi. amerikeli, germaneli,
ingliseli, frangi rom ityvis Se-
vardnaZis Sesaxeb `didiao~, rao,
qarTveli da Tan doylapia, amas
ar daijerebs?
SevardnaZe didad daafasa ev-
roamerikam, magram manve ar miiRo
zviad gamsaxurdia.
SevardnaZe `did politiko-
sad~ monaTles, zviad gamsaxurdia
ki _ faSistad!
TviTon SevardnaZis specbriga-
debi TiTqmis mudam dRe axorcie-
leben rkinigzebis, xidebis, sxva-
dasxva obieqtebis afeTqebas da
amas abraleben CeCneTSi gadaxve-
wil zviad gamsaxurdias!
am dros, bneleTis jurRmu-
lebSi, romelic mfarvelobs Se-
vardnaZes, gadawyvetileba ukve mi-
Rebulia _ zviad gamsaxurdia
aucileblad unda ganadgurdes
fizikurad.
evroamerikuli saZmo ki mTeli
msoflios gasagonad aqebs, adi-
debs SevardnaZes! exmarebian,
ajildoeben da gaiZaxian, rom Se-
vardnaZe msoflio rangis udidesi
politikosia!
Rirseul adamians, vinc odnav
mainc icnobs eduard SevardnaZes,
sircxvili dawvavs, iseTi saqebari
werilebi modis amerikidan.
ase magaliTad, 1992 wlis ap-
rils, amerikis SeerTebuli Sta-
tebis prezidenti jorj buSi, we-
rils ugzavnis SevardnaZes da es
mimarTva kargad rom gaisigrZega-
no, gaxlavT erTgvari angariSis
Cabareba. gaocdebi kaci _ iseTi
STabeWdileba rCeba, TiTqos im
ubneles ierarqiaSi, romelsac Se-
vardnaZe ekuTvnis, jorj buSs ga-
cilebiT naklebi xarisxi gaaCnia.
vnaxoT faqti! wavikiTxoT
jorj buSis werili:
`mis aRmatebulebas eduard
SevardnaZes, saqarTvelos respub-
likis saxelmwifo sabWos Tavmj-
domares!
Zvirfaso Tavmjdomare eduard
SevardnaZev! dRes sajarod gamo-
vaqveyneb yofili sabWoTa kavSiris
damoukidebel saxelmwifoTa de-
mokratiisa da Tavisufali bazre-
bis mxardamWer mTel rig axal
iniciativebs. msurs winaswar Se-
gatyobinoT Cemi gancxadebis amba-
vi.
imisaTvis, rom am saqmeSi Cava-
ba aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba,
kongresi da amerikeli xalxi da
stimuli mivce mravalmxriv Za-
lisxmevas, vacxadeb, rom viReb
ruseTisa da evraziis sxva xalx-
ebisaTvis daxmarebis yovlismomc-
vel pakets.
jer erTi, vacxadeb, rom
mxars vuWerT yovlismomcvel
mravalmxriv ekonomikur stabili-
zaciis programas saerTaSoriso
savaluto fondis, msoflio ban-
kisa da `Svideulis~ meSveobiT,
masSi gaTvaliswinebuli iqneba eq-
vsi miliardi dolaris gamoyofa
valutis stabilizaciis fondSi
da 18 miliardi dolarisa _ ru-
seTisTvis damatebiTi makroekono-
mikuri daxmarebis gasawevad (aSS-
i tyuil-uubralod arasodes ara-
vis exmareba, miT umetes ruseTs.
Tanac, ra SuaSi unda iyos Sevar-
dnaZe? ratom atyobinebs winaswar
jorj buSi SevardnaZes _ gixa-
rodes, ruseTs unda davexmaroo?
iqneb imitom, rom ruseTi ukve
gamzadebuli hyavdaT dasaSlelad
da dasaqucmaceblad? _ j.d.).
vkisrulobT valdebulebas, gavu-
wioT mxardaWera damatebiT mak-
roekonomikuri stabilizaciis
Zalisxmevas saqarTveloSi (sul
ramdenime Tvis damxobilia kano-
nieri xelisufleba da mZvinvarebs
SevardnaZis terori! _ j.d.) da
sxva damoukidebel saxelmwifoeb-
Si (sadac zviad gamsaxurdias
msgavsad dinebis sawinaaRmdegod
aravin dacuravs! _ j.d.) imis kva-
lobaze, Tu rogor imuSavebT sa-
erTaSoriso savaluto fondTan
im reformaTa yovelmxrivi gegmis
formulirebisaTvis, romlebic
imsaxureben ndobas.
meorec, kongresSi vgzavni
yovlismomcvel integrirebul wi-
nadadebebs _ 1992 wlis aqts Ta-
visuflebis mxardaWeris Sesaxeb
(RmerTo, gviSvele! _ j.d.) es ka-
nonmdebloba miznad isaxavs imas,
rom moixsnas `civi omis~ perio-
dis SezRudvebi da miviRoT axali
uflebamosilebani, SeerTebulma
Statebma SeZlos, rac SeiZleba
ukeT Seuwyos xeli Tqvens Zalis-
xmevas, aSenoT demokratia da Ta-
visufali bazari. igi agreTve Se-
icavs Tqvens qveyanaSi vaWrobas da
investiciebSi amerikis kompaniaTa
SesaZleblobebis gafarToebis
mniSvnelovan debulebebs.
mesamec, vacxadeb, rom dRes
damatebiT gamoiyofa 1,1 miliardi
dolaris odenobis sakredito ga-
rantiebi sasofli-ssameurneo sa-
qonlis Sesasyidad. samomxmareb-
lo kreditebis korporaciis sa-
xiT 600 milion sakredito ga-
rantiebs gadavcemT ruseTs, da-
narCeni 500 milioni gadairicxe-
ba ukrainis da sxva saxelmwifo-
ebisaTvis.
Cvens mier gadadgmul nabijeb-
Tan erTad, Cemi mizania is, rom
amerikam dauWiros mxari Tqvens
qveyanaSi demokratias da ganmt-
kicdes Semdgomi saerTaSoriso
Zalisxmeva da koordinacia.
imedi maqvs, rom mxars dami-
WerT erTobliv moqmedebaSi, rom-
lis mizania, uzrunvelvyoT de-
mokratiisa da Tavisufali bazre-
bis ayvaveba.
gulwrfelad Tqveni jorj
buSi~.
da megobrebo, aqve, amave
dros, amave gazeTSi jorj buSis
werils mosdevs cnoba:
`saqarTvelos respublikis sa-
xelmwifo sabWos Tavmjdomarem
eduard SevardnaZem werili miiRo
moskovis mTavrobis premieris i.
lukianovisa da qalaq moskovis
meris g. popovisagan. werilSi
kerZod naTqvamia:
`pativcemulo eduard ambro-
sis Zev! gaiTvaliswina ra, saqarT-
velos respublikaSi sursaTis
nakleboba, da xelmZRvanelobs ra,
ruseTisa da saqarTvelos xalxe-
bis tradiciuli megobruli ur-
TierTobiT (sad iyo aqamde `tra-
diciuli megobroba~? nuTu zviad
gamsaxurdias dros qarTveli
xalxi sxva iyo da SevardnaZis
dros ki _ sxva? ra moxda? ra ga-
rigebas ar awerda xels zviadi da
raze daiTanxmes SevardnaZe, rom
evroamerikidan Tu ruseTidan ase
uxvad moayares sursaT-ssanovage?
_ j.d.), ruseTis mTavrobam Teber-
valsa da martSi gamogzavna saqar-
Tvelos respublikaSi 135 tona
Saqari, 320 tona fqvili. april-
sa da maisSi gamovagzavniT kidev
1500 tona fqvils. daiwyo Tbi-
lisSi 5 aTasi tona kartofilis
gamogzavna.
garda amisa, gadawyda moskovis
rezervebidan respublikaSi umok-
les vadebSi 5 aTasi tona ben-
zinisa da 5 aTasi tona dizelis
saTbobis, daaxloebiT 80 samgzav-
ro avtobusis, komunaluri meur-
neobisaTvis gankuTvnili 20 avto-
manqanis, agreTve sawarmoo-tteqni-
kuri daniSnulebis mniSvnelovani
moculobis produqciis gamogzav-
nis sakiTxebi.
guliTad madlobas mogaxse-
nebT saqarTvelodan Tambaqos,
spirtiani sasmelebisa da sxva sa-
qonlis Semxvedri mowodebisaTvis.
imedi gvaqvs, rom momavalSi kidev
ufro ganviTardeba moskovisa da
saqarTvelos respublikis mTavro-
baTa TanamSromloba~ (orive weri-
li dabeWilia gazeT `saqarTve-
los respublikaSi~, #56, 1992
wlis 8 aprils).
RmerTo Cemo! ra siamtkbilo-
baa jorj buSs, SevardnaZes, lu-
kianovsa da popovs Soris.
sisxliT morwyuli
saqarTvelo,
amerika da ruseTi!
amerika da ruseTi, orive Zmu-
rad uwvdis xels mTlad sisxliT
morwyul saqarTvelos.
guSin, roca kanonieri xeli-
sufleba hyavda qarTvelebs, yve-
lam blokada gamoucxada. Sevard-
naZe gamoCnda Tu ara, msoflios
yvela qveynidan wamovida mraval-
mxrivi daxmareba, romelic qarTv-
el xalxamde dResac, 2009 wel-
sac ar mosula!
sad mihqondaT? sakuTar oja-
xebSi, megobrebSi da zogs, did
nawils, ukanve agzavnidnen isev da
isev madlobis niSnad.
mTavari ki isaa, rom aSS-cc
kmayofilia da maSindeli ruse-
Tic. TiTqos SevardnaZe iseT ra-
Racas dahpirda... mainc ras? ra
SeiZleba yofiliyo? iqneb afxaze-
Ti da cxinvalis regioni? ufro
sworad _ afxazeTi da samaCablo
ruseTs, danarCeni ki _ amerika-
so!?
rao, dRes rac ukve moxda _
afxazeTi da e.w. samxreT oseTi,
rom ukve saqarTvelodan mow-
yvetilia, gana faqti ar gaxlavT?
zemoT Cven vnaxeT amerikis da
ruseTis Sexmatkbilebuli weri-
li, sasiyvarulo mimarTvebi Se-
vardnaZisadmi. axla gadavxedoT
1992 wlis isev aprilis, oRond
Sua aprilis ambebs, rogor ex-
marebian SevardnaZes (da ara sa-
qarTvelos,) germaniidan.
gavSaloT gazeTi `saqarTve-
los respublika~ (#60, 1992
wlis 14 aprili), romlis mowi-
nave gverdze, pirvel gverdze
msxvili asoebiT aweria:
`evropa da saqarTvelo erTma-
neTis Sesaxvedrad daiZrnen~.
Turme saqarTveloSi Camobr-
Zanebula evropa, romelsac hqvia
germaniis vice-kkancleri, sagareo
saqmeTa ministri hans-dditrix gen-
Seri da mas daxvedria saqarTve-
lo _ eduard SevardnaZe.
vkiTxulob hans-dditrix genSe-
ris sityvas:
`Zvirfaso eduard,
Zvirfaso nanuli!
qalbatonebo da batonebo!
`vin moyvaresa ar eZebs, igi
Tavisa mteria~
es strofi, didi qarTveli da
evropeli (biWos, yoCaR batono
genSer, Cven aqamde ar vicodiT,
rom SoTa rusTaveli evropeli
poeti yofila! rogor CamovrCe-
nilvarT, Zlivs ar agvixile Tva-
li am kavkasielebs? _ j.d.) poe-
tis, SoTa rusTavelisa, amSvenebs
mis Zegls rusTavelis parkSi,
bolSaia gruzinskaias quCaze,
moskovSi.
parkis pirdapir germaniis sa-
elCoa, romelic ganlagebulia
Tavad bagrationis yofil sasax-
leSi (germania, genSeri, magram
kvlav moskovi. aqac daSaqrulni
arian germania, saqarTvelo da
ruseTi! iqneb marTldeba Cemi va-
raudi? maSinve xom ar gaurigda
SevardnaZe evroamerikas da ru-
seTs-ssaqarTvelos orad ga-
giyofT, Tqven mSvidad iyaviTo? _
j.d.). am Zegls Cauvlis yvela,
vinc ki germaniis saelCoSi midis.
visac am strofis gageba sur-
da, iman gaigo igi (raRacas oraz-
rovnebs batoni ditrixi, - vgo-
neb, mxedvelobaSi hyavs Sevradna-
Ze, romelmac gaigo SoTa rusTa-
velis cnobili Segoneba, xolo
zviad gamsaxurdiam ver SeZlo,
ver waikiTxa `vefxistyaosani~, ar
eyo imdeni ganaTleba, codna, ma-
rifaTi, rom kargad aReqva da ga-
ego! arada, batoni genSeri da Se-
vardnaZe rasac fizikurad iwo-
nidnen orive erTad, zviads asi
imdeni wigni hqonda wakiTxuli
da brwyinvale naSromic hqonda
`vefxistyaosnis saxismetyveleba~.
ra samwuxaro droa! ra saSinele-
ba trialebs dRevandel msofli-
oSi! _ j.d.). es sityvebi WeSmari-
tebas RaRadeben da maT saukune-
ebs gauZles. es WeSmariteba is
aris, rom urTierTgageba, megob-
roba da TanamSromloba yvelaf-
ris sawyaoa.
ukanasknel wlebSi, Cven yvela
davrwmundiT, Tu ra marTali iyo
poeti. es asea: `vin moyvaresa ar
eZebs, igi Tavisa mteria~ da me, am
sityvebiT, romlebic Cven gvakav-
Sirebs, mivmarTav Cems megobars,
eduard SevardnaZes (ra megobro-
ba autyda baton genSers ssrk-ss
sagareo ministrTan, xom aris sa-
intereso? _ j.d.)...
civi omi istorias Cabarda,
evropis politikuri dayofa daZ-
leulia. Tqven, batono Tavmjdo-
marev, Tqveni wvlili SeitaneT am
istoriul procesSi. SorsmWvre-
telobiT da pasuxismgeblobiT
mSvidobisaTvis aRniSnulia Tqveni
politika. amiT Tqven safuZveli
CauyareT saqarTvelos damoukide-
blobis xorcSesxmas, damoukide-
beli, Tavisufali saqarTvelo-
saTvis, msoflios saxelmwifoeb-
is Tanamegobrobis wevrisaTvis.
es ar SeiZleba ganviTarebis
saboloo punqti iyos. saqarTve-
lo dRes dgas didi samomavlo
amocanebis winaSe. demokratiuli
gardaqmnebi mSvidobian da Tavisu-
fal sazogadoebaSi. saqarTvelo
24 martidan evropis uSiSroebis
da TanamSromlobis sabWos wev-
ria. man aRiara am sabWos yvela
valdebuleba da gadawyvetileba.
parizis qartia _ evropis kons-
titucia dRes saqarTveloSic
moqmedebs.
gardaqmna moiTxovs did Za-
lisxmevas. is moiTxovs stabilu-
robas da mxardaWeras (am dros
SevardnaZis specialuri samxed-
ro-kkriminaluri danayofebi ar-
bevs da xvrets dasavleT saqarT-
velos sxvadasxva kuTxeebs. apa-
timrebs da awamebs saqarTvelos
respublikis pirveli da kanonie-
ri prezidentis momxreebs. cixe-
ebSi amwyvdevs da awamebs poli-
tikur patimrebs! _ j.d.). Cven
germanelebs, gvsurs viyoT Tqveni
saimedo, da Tu Tqvenc inebebT,
mrCeveli da partniori.
es Cvens interesebsac Seesaba-
meba. Tqvens qveyanaSi mimdinare
procesebi mTel evropas exeba. ev-
ropa ver gaxdeba erTiani Tu mis
nawilebSi saSiSroeba da SfoTi-
anoba iqneba.
... dRes msovlio Zirfesvianad
Seicvala. germania da saqarTvelo
im evropis ori nawilia, romel-
mac daZlia samxedro da politi-
kuri dapirispireba. dRes safuZ-
vels vuyriT Cveni qveynebis mWid-
ro TanamSromlobas, romlis mi-
zania mSvidoba (am mSvidobis
mtredis TbilisSi yofnisas, ro-
ca momitingeebs daeria policia,
ZaRlebic ki miusies adamianebs da
bevrs axsovs am cxovelebs xal-
xma `genSerebi~ Searqva! _ j.d.).
batono Tavmjdomarev!
me vwev Wiqas da warmovTqvam
Tqvens sadRegr-ZZelos, Tqveni
qveynisa da misi moqalaqeebis sa-
dRegrZelos, Cveni qveynebis mSvi-
dobiani da Tavisufali momavlis
sadRegrZelos~.
(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)
mware gakveTilebievroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo
ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666
jemal davlianiZe
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.
`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-38
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internetSi
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26 saerTo gazeTi #39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
dekarti brZanebs: “vazrov-
neb, maSasadame, varsebob” da
radgan vcocxlobT da radgan
varsebobT, uamrav problemasTan
gvixdeba gamklaveba. “ar aris
kaci, ar aris problema.” prob-
lema esaa, rTuli Teoriuli an
praqtikuli sakiTxi, romelic
saWiroebs Seswavlas, axsnas,
ganmartebas. dRevandel saqarT-
veloSi ar xdeba problemis
arc Seswavla, arc axna da arc
ganmarteba. dRes, mxolod dapi-
rebebia. dapireba, rom xval uke-
Tesi dRe gveqneba. arada, dResaa
saWiro gadawydes problema.
problema ki uamravia. mxolod
sam ZiriTad Temas Sevexebi: dev-
nilebi, umuSevrebi, diasporebi.
gamigia termini – mkvdrad
Sobili kanoni. ai, mkvdrad So-
bili saministroebis Sesaxeb
araferi msmenia. ramdenime wlis
winaT Seiqmna diasporebis
kuTxiT saxelmwifo aparati.
dRemde gaurkvevelia, ra funq-
cia da ra roli aqvs am uwye-
bas, romelic ratomRac arCevne-
bis wina periodSi axsendebaT
da iTvlian ucxoeTSi myof qar-
Tvelebs, ufro sworad, maT
xmebs. aseve sruliad gaurkveve-
lia dasaqmebis saministros
funqcia. ufro sworad, garkve-
ulia - ra unda am saministros.
trapaiZis uwyeba gadasulia Ri-
ad daiTvalos xmebi. TiToeul
ojaxSi Sedis agenti da ar aqvs
mniSvneloba muSaobs Tu ara esa
Tu is piri, isini anketas avse-
ben da gamokiTxvis bolos Rimi-
liani interviueri iwers res-
pondentis mobiluris, saxlis
nomers da piradobis mowmobis
nomrebs. daaxloebiT 3-4 dReSi
dasaqmebis saministrodan Rimi-
liani xma ukavSirdeba moqala-
qes da agentis Taobaze ekiTxe-
ba – ramdenad moewona igi da
rame pretenzia xom ar aqvs
agentis muSaobaze. isedac SeSi-
nebuli sazogadoeba am faqtiT
ufro metad izRudeba. misi
gvar-saxeli monacemTa bazaSi
Sedis da iZulebulia saxeli-
suflo partias dauWiros mxa-
ri. ufro metad uaresi da da-
mabneveli situaciaa subelianis
yofil uwyebaSi. devnilebis sa-
ministroSi devnilebi arCevne-
bis win axsendebaT. faqtia, dev-
nilis xma igebs arCevnebs. wle-
bis manZilze ukanonod SeCere-
buli droebiTi misamarTebi,
mxolod arCevnebis win axldeba
da iwyeba qaoturad devnilebis
miwera ama Tu im regionSi. im
mizniT, rom devnilma SeZlos
xmis micema. yovelgvari berke-
tis gareSe xdeba rogorc ker-
Zo, aseve organizebuli misamar-
Tebis gacema. metic, wina saar-
Cevnod, kompaqturad Casaxle-
bul obieqtebSi Cndeba erTi yo-
CaRi, xuTosani devnili, rome-
lic ukeTebs organizebas devni-
lebis misamarTebs, isini mihyavs
saministroSi. saministro ki
uproblemod gascems axal misa-
marTebs. garantia aqvT “yoCa-
Risgan”, rom es adamianebi
aucileblad Semoxazaven #5-s.
aseve winasaarCevnod galidan
gadmohyavT devnilebi, romleb-
sac amisamarTeben kompaqtur mi-
samarTebze xuTianis Semoxazvis
sanacvlod. aseve winasaarCev-
nod, saministroSi iwyeba erT-
jeradi fuladi daxmarebebis
gacema, devnilebiT Casaxlebuli
obieqtebis mopirkeTeba da qone-
bis sakuTrebaSi gadacema. aseve
mniSvnelovania erTi detali:
wina saarCevnod, xSir SemTxve-
vaSi, devnilis mowmobaze xdeba
droebTi misamarTis grafaSi
mxolod regionis dasaxeleba
anu umisamarTo misamarTi. am
mowmobiT ki pirs ufleba aqvs
aRniSnul raionSi misces xma.
devnilebi principiT – dRe-
vandeli kvercxi mirCevnia xva-
lindel qaTams, iyeneben am
Sanss. SiSiT, esec ar davkargoT
rac gvaqvso, erTaderT xmas aZ-
leven xelisuflebas. maT ar
sjeraT moqmedi xelisuflebis.
maT ukve arc imis sjeraT, rom
xelisufleba momaval axal
wels soxumsa da cxinvalSi
Sexvdeba. isini daiRalnen mud-
mivi dapirebebiT.
gvesaubreba devnili, romel-
mac gvTxova, ar gavamJRavnoT
misi vinaoba:
-ra vqna, meSinia. uamravi
problema maqvs. vici, rom am
tyuilSi vcxovrobT 20 welia.
erTaderTi, rac minda, es afxa-
zeTSi dabrunebaa. Semovxazav
“5”-s. Svilebi myavs, maT samsa-
xuri undaT. ra vqna? aravin
gvexmareba. 10 kvadratSi cxov-
rebasac Sevegue. amaTi 28 lari-
ani daxmareba meyofa? vici,
gvatyueben. rogorc undaT ise
gveqcevian. miTxres binas mog-
cemTo. rom vkiTxe _ sad-meTqi?
ra mniSvneloba aqvso. Sen xma
mogveci da mere getyviTo. ai,
aseT SiSi varT. iZulebiT miv-
cem xmas, aba, ra gavakeTo?
saubris gagrZeleba aRar
isurva respondentma. SiSs didi
Tvalebi aqvs. daSinebul devni-
lebs ki Tavs zeviT Zala ar
aqvT. xelisufleba ki konfron-
tacias uwyobs xels. gaxleCil
sazogadoebas ufro metad api-
rispirebs erTmaneTTan da mxo-
lod piarze muSaobs. mxolod
kamerebis win niangis cremlebiT
tiris prezidenti. Caivlis ar-
Cevnebi da saxelmwifos xerxema-
li, anu sazogadoeba aviwydebaT.
arCevnebamde ki axsendebaT
iZulebiT gadaadgilebuli pire-
bi. arCevnebis Semdeg ki maTi
problema problemad rCeba. dev-
nilis xma aRar esmis da aRar
adardebs xelisuflebas. is uk-
ve mis jibeSia momaval arCevne-
bamde.
kidev erTi devnili afiqsi-
rebs Tavis azrs, mxolod im
imediT, rom inkognitod darCe-
ba:
-ukve erTi Tvea ministrTan
Sexvedras viTxov. ministramde
ver mivedi. mas CvenTvis ar ca-
lia. amaTi imedi rogor unda
mqondes. ar minda, magram iZule-
buli var, ucxoeTSi wavide. aba,
aq 28 larze rogor vacxovro
col-Svili? amaTi imedi ar
maqvs. eseni Cven ver dagvabrune-
ben Cvens saxlebSi. xandaxan ima-
sac vfiqrob, rom soxumSi dav-
brunde. ar mainteresebs, ras
ityvian Cemze. Tundac moRalate
da eris gamyidveli meZaxon.
col-Svils SimSiliT xom ar
movklav?
gaRizianebuli devnilebi sa-
ministros ezoSi erTmaneTs
uziareben azrs da amiT gahyavT
dro. ician, xelisufleba maT
problemebs ver moagvarebs, mag-
ram ra qnan, xandaxan tyuili
dapirebac stimuli. xom unda
icxovron, ufro sworad xom
unda iarsebon.
isev “usaxelo” devnili:
-axlobeli gardaicvala ru-
seTSi. dRemde gvpirdeba sami-
nistro fuls gamovyofT da
gadmosvenebaSi dagidgebiT gver-
diTo. axla arCevnebi axlovde-
ba da imedi maqvs, fuls gaiRe-
ben. mis sanacvlod ki Semovxa-
zav “5”-s. aba, ra vqna. Cvens
micvalebuls upatrod xom ar
mivagdebT. fuli amaT aqvT, Cven
ki imas vakeTebT, rac maT un-
daT.
mjera-ar mjeras principia
qveyanaSi. Aar sjera devnilebs,
magram xmas nacionalebs misce-
men. ratom? pasuxi martivia-
SiSi. aRar undaT mesamed devni-
loba. am SiSis fonze, winasaar-
Cevnod, devnilTa monacemebis
baza yvelaze bolos Sedis ces-
ko-Si. damuSavebuli, mowesrige-
buli da garantirebuli xmebi
ki xelisuflebis jibeSia.
ician devnilebma, yvelaferi
ician, magram ... neba Tavisufa-
lia! samiode kviraSi saqarTve-
los moqalaqeebi arCevans gaake-
Teben, ufro sworad, gaakeTebi-
neben!
qeTi yvelaSvili
devnilis xma xelisuflebis jibeSia
27saerTo gazeTi#39 (223), 12-18.IX, 2012 w.
batono zurab!
2012 wlis 12 agvistos `saqarT-
velos saarCevno kodeqsis~ 113-ee mux-
lis me-99 punqtis Tanaxmad, warmogid-
gineT `uflis saxeliT _ ufalia Cve-
ni simarTle~-ss mier saqarTvelos
parlamentis 2012 wlis 1 oqtombris
arCevnebSi partiis monawileobis
mxardamWer amomrCevelTa sia, saerTo
raodenobiT 26 896 (ocdaeqvsi aTas
rvaas oTxmocdaTeqvsmeti) xelmowera.
2012 wlis 16 agvistos ceskos
Sesabamisi samsaxuris mier aRniSnuli
siis Semowmebis Sedegad mizezTa gamo
gabaTilebuli iqna 11 322 (TerTmeti
aTas samasocdaori) xelmowera da
darCa 15 574 (TxuTmeti aTas xuTas
samocdaToTxmeti) xelmowera.
dafiqsirebuli xarvezis Sesavse-
bad gankuTvnili drois vadaSi, saqar-
Tvelos organuli kanonis `saqarTve-
los saarCevno kodeqsis~ 38-ee muxlis
me-22 punqtis Sesabamisad. Cvens mier
Segrovili da Tqvendami 2012 wlis 18
agvistos warmodgenili `uflis saxe-
liT _ ufalia Cveni simarTles mier
saqarTvelos parlamentis 2012 wlis
1 oqtombris arCevnebSi partiis mona-
wileobis mxardamWer amomrCevelTa
siis saerTo raodenoba gaxldaT: 12
339 (Tormeti aTas samas ocdacxrame-
ti).
centraluri saarCevno komisiis
administraciuli departamentis mier
2012 w. 18 agvistoTi daTariRebul
aqtSi, kerZod, vkiTxulobT `Tanamim-
devrobiT sul Semowmda 412 furcel-
ze 12 339 (Tormeti aTas samas oc-
dacxrameti) xelmowera; Semowmebis
Sedegad gabaTilda 113 furcelze
3390 (sami aTas samas oTxmocdaaTi)
xelmowera da darCa 8 949 (rva aTas
cxraas ormocdacxra) xelmowera~.
centraluri saarCevno komisiis
administraciuli departamentis uf-
rosis q-nn elisabed veliZis mier iqve
gakeTebuli zepiri ganmartebiT irkve-
oda, rom blankze xelmowerebis Seg-
rovebisaTvis pasuxismgebel pirTa mi-
er maTi xelmoweris TariRi, TiTqos-
da, arasrulad iyo miTiTebuli, rame-
Tu mag. weria _ `17.08.12 w.~ rac
arasrulia, da unda eweros
_`17.08.2012 w~-iio.
maSasadame, gamodioda, rom Cven-
Tvis ukve CaTvlil _ 15 574 (TxuT-
meti aTas xuTas samocdaToTxmet)
xelmoweras, emateboda `mxolod~ _
8.949 (rva aTas cxraas ormocdacx-
ra) xelmowera. rac jamSi gvaZlevs
24. 523 (ocdaoTxi aTas xuTas ocda-
sami) xelmoweras da aseTi `operaci-
is~ Sedegad, saqarTvelos organuli
kanonis `saqarTvelos saarCevno ko-
deqsis~ 113-ee muxlis me-99 punqtiT
gansazRvrul 25 000 savaldebulo
xelmoweras `akldeboda~ _ 477 xel-
mowera, anu Cven aRar gveZleoda sa-
arCevno subieqtad daregistrirebis
ufleba.
batono zurab!
aRniSnulTan mimarTebaSi Tqvens
mier miRebul #51-22012 gankarguleba-
Si, CvenTvis saarCevno registraciaze
uaris Tqmis safuZvlad _ saqarTve-
los organuli kanonis `saqarTvelos
saarCevno kodeqsis~ 38-ee muxlis me-44
punqtis gansazRvruli moTxovnebis
aradakmayofilebis miTiTeba zustad
ar asaxavs sinamdviles.
rogorc mogexsenebaT, xsenebuli
muxli gvauwyebs:
_`4. baTilia yvela xelmowera,
Sesrulebuli im blankze, romelic
dadasturebuli ar aris xelmowere-
bis SegrovebisaTvis pasuxismgebeli
piris mier, an romelSic miTiTebuli
ar aris an arasrulad aris miTi-
Tebuli am kanonis 37-ee muxlis me-
4 punqtiT gaTvaliswinebuli mo-
nacemebi~ (muxli 38,4), xolo:
_`4. mxardamWerTa siis blank-
Si miTiTebuli unda iyos xelmo-
werebis SegrovebisaTvis pasuxism-
gebeli piris saxeli, gvari, misa-
marTi (saqarTvelos moqalaqis pi-
radobis mowmobis mixedviT) da
sakontaqto telefonis nomeri, ag-
reTve blankis Sevsebis TariRi da
dadasturebuli unda iyos am pi-
ris xelmoweriT~ (muxli 37.4);
amasTanave, xelmoweris Sesru-
lebis TariRTan mimarTebaSi, saqarT-
velos organuli kanonis `saqarTve-
los saarCevno kodeqsis~ 38-ee muxlis
3-dd punqti gvauwyebs:
_`3. mxardamWerTa siaSi amomrCev-
lis xelmowera baTilad miiCneva, Tu:
d) xelmoweris TariRi miTiTebu-
li ar aris an ar emTxveva am kanoniT
gansazRvrul mxardamWerTa siis Sed-
genis vadas~.
Cvens mier warmodgenili mxardam-
WerTa xelmomweri blankebi saqarTve-
los organuli kanonis `saqarTvelos
saarCevno kodeqsis~ yvela moTxovnaTa
sruli dacviTaa Sesrulebuli, ker-
Zod ki yvelgan miTiTebulia. xelmo-
weris TariRi, romelic zustad emTx-
veva `am kanoniT gansazRvrul mxar-
damWerTa siis Sedgenis vadas~.
weria _`17.08.12 w.~ rac arasru-
lia, da unda eweros _`17.08.2012
w.~.io.
igi (es e.w. xarvezi) ar SeiZleba
gaxdes Cveni p-gg saarCevno subieqtad
daregistrirebaze uaris Tqmis safuZ-
veli, vinaidan, rogorc me _`17.08.12
w.~, aseve _ `17.08.2012 w.~, erTmane-
Tis identuria da zustad gansazRv-
ravs, rom xelmowera Sesrulebulia
mimdinare ori aTas Tormeti wlis 17
agvistos.
Sesabamisad, Cvens p-gg `uflis sa-
xeliT_ ufalia Cveni simarTles eqne-
ba ara _ 24.523 (ocdaoTxi aTas xu-
Tas ocdasami) xelmowera, aramed _
27 913 (ocdaSvidi aTas cxraas came-
ti) xelmowera, rac srul safuZvels
iZleva p-gg-ss `uflis saxeliT _ ufa-
lia Cveni simarTle~-ss saarCevno su-
bieqtad daregistrirebisaTvis.
batono zurab!
Cvengan damoukidebel mizezTa ga-
mo Cveni p-gg `uflis saxeliT _ ufa-
lia Cveni simarTle~-ss saarCevno su-
bieqtad ardaregistrirebis Taobaze,
Tqvens mier _ 2012 wlis 20 agvis-
tos miRebuli #51-22012 gankargule-
ba Cven mxolod _ 2012 wlis 24 ag-
vistos gadmogveca.
aRniSnuli #51-22012 gankargule-
bis miRebidan misi CvenTvis mxolod
me-44 dRes Cabarebisa gamo Cven SezRu-
dulni aRmovCndiT gamoviyenoT saqar-
Tvelos organuli kanonis `saqarTve-
los saarCevno kodeqsis~ me-99 TaviT
(saarCevno davis ganxorcieleba) gan-
sazRvruli, CvenTvis kanoniT miniWe-
buli _ gasaCivrebis 2-ddRiani vadis
ufleba (77-ee muxlis me-55 punqti, 78-
e muxlis me-110 punqti).
aRniSnulidan gamomdinare, mog-
marTavT TxovniT _ gaiTvaliswinoT
zemoTqmuli da saqarTvelos organu-
li kanonis `saqarTvelos saarCevno
kodeqsi~ TqvenTvis miniWebuli ufle-
biT miiRoT saqarTvelos parlamentis
2012 wlis 1 oqtombris arCevnebSi
Cveni p-gg `uflis saxeliT _ ufalia
Cveni simarTle~-ss saarCevno subieq-
tad daregistrirebis gadawyvetileba.
imedi gvaqvs Tqvengan miviRebT ze-
moT wamoWrili kiTxvebis Sesabamis
pasuxs.
pativiscemiT
`uflis saxeliT _
ufalia Cveni simarTle~-ss
xelmZRvaneli
`samarTlianobis aRdgenis
kavSiris xma erisa:
`ufalia Cveni simarTle~-ss
`laskaris~ Tavmjdomare
mixeil (gela) saluaSvili
Tbilisi, 2012 wlis
26 agvisto
saqarTvelos centraluri saarCevno komisiis
Tavmjdomares
baton zurab xaratiSvils!
g a n c x a d e b a
Cvenma prezidentma amaswinan-
del baTumis mosaxleobasTan Sex-
vedrisas ganacxada: xalxi, isev
Zvel, komunistebis dros misti-
ris, netav, im droSi kargi ra na-
xes? deni maSin ar iyo da gazi,
wyali maSin ar gvqonda da gza.
tanis dabana rom momindeboda,
wyals, vedroTi vacxelebdi da
`fr-fr~ ase visxamdio. Tavs zeviT
xelis aweviT aCvena wylis dasxma.
miSa, SeiZleba, prezidenti ka-
ci, aseTi mamali tyuilebis Tqmas
kadrulobdes da mosaxleobis wi-
naSe Tavs ircxvendes? Tu daga-
viwyda stalinis mier Seqmnil im
brwyinvale socialisturi forma-
ciis dros kargi ra iyo da ratom
mistiris mas Cveni mosaxleoba?
SegaxsenebT: _ im sistemis dros
qarTveli kaci, maTxovari ar mina-
xavs, rasac ver vityvi, dRevande-
li, Seni kapitalisturi sistemis
yofis, radgan isini yovel fexis
nabijze xelebgaSverilebi dganan.
prezident kacs, im sistemaze
augis saTqmelad ena rogor gib-
rundeba! radgan maSin visac muSa-
oba undoda yvelas Tavisi sainte-
reso samuSao hqonda. (axla mili-
oni welic rom gavides, is dasaq-
meba aRarasodes aRar iqneba). ma-
Sin umuSevari ar arsebobda, rad-
gan TiTqmis yvela fabrika-qarxne-
bis SesasvlelebSi gamokruli iyo
siebi, gvWirdeba esa da es specia-
listebio. ama Tu im fabrikaSi, an
qarxanaSi samuSao Tu ar moewone-
boda, meoreSi gadadioda. Tu erT
saproeqto organizaciaSi ar moe-
woneboda samuSao, meoreSi, an ro-
melime sammarTveloSi Soulobda
TavisTvis Sesaferis adgils, an
sulac romelime kvleviT insti-
tutSi moewyoboda da a.S. romle-
bic Sen gaauqme da Senobebi dayi-
de.
sacxovrebeli binebi centra-
lizebulad Tbeboda, zamTarSi, bi-
naSi, iseTi Semawuxebeli siTbo
iyo, rom siTbos Semomaval mileb-
ze, onkanebs vketavdiT. wylis on-
kans gadavabrunebdi _ civi wyali
modioda, gadmovabrunebdi da cxe-
li wyali moCqrialebda. deni 4
kapiki Rirda, gazi, Tu ginda aTa-
si kubi dagexarja, 20 kapikze
mets aravin mTxovda da mTlianad
yvela saxis komunaluri xarjebi
5 maneTze meti ar mijdeboda. ax-
la ki zamTarSi, marto komunalu-
ri gadasaxadi, 400 larze adis.
maSin minimaluri pensia 80 maneTi
rom iyo, im oTxmocmaneTian pensi-
onersac ki cxovreba kacurad Se-
eZlo, aRar vlaparakob 140 mane-
Tian pensionerebze, rasac is 80-
maneTiani pensioneri iZenda, dRe-
vandelma pensionerma igive pro-
duqtebi rom SeiZinos, mas 640
lari unda hqondes, radgan maSin
kilogrami xorci 2 maneTi Rirda
da 80 maneTad 40 kilo xorcs yi-
dulobda, rasac dRevandeli kur-
siT 640 lari sWirdeba. amitom
stalinis mier Seqmnil socializ-
mSi cxovreba, yvelasaTvis saamuri
iyo da imitom mistirian im yofas,
radgan msoflioSi yvelaze demok-
ratiuli formacia iyo socializ-
mi. amitomac axla, Cveni mosaxle-
oba ambobs: _ Turme komunizmSi
gvicxovria, da Cven ki, vera vxvde-
bodiTo. axla ki, vinc xalxis mi-
er Seqmnili qoneba daitaca, komu-
nizmSi arian im qonebis Semqmnele-
bi ki jojoxeTSi.
Tqvengan nalanZRi socialis-
turi sistemis dros am xnis kacs
me ar maxsovs komunistebs rome-
lime ojaxisTvis an gazi CaeWraT
da an deni gamoerToT. Tqvengan na-
qebma kapitalistebma ki Cemi karis
mezoblebs oTxsulian ojaxs,
romlebsac ori mcirewlovani _ 8
da 10 wlis bavSvebi hyavT, 4
wlis win (rodesac es bavSvebi 4
da 6 wlisani iyvnen) gazi rom ga-
mourTes, es ojaxi dResac zam-
TarSi gaTbobis gareSea, bavSvebi
skolidan rom modian loginSi
wvebian da ise Tbebian. am ojaxs
dResac deni gamorTuli aqvs. bav-
Svebi, saRamoTi, sxvis ganaTebul
fanjrebs rom uyureben, dedas
eubnebian: _ ra bednierebi arian is
bavSvebi, visi fanjrebidanac eleq-
tronis Suqi gamokrTiso. SeiZle-
ba mosaxleobis aseT yofaSi yof-
nis dros misi prezidenti Tavs
iwonebdes?!
batono mixeil, me rom prezi-
denti viyo, mivi-
dodi im ojaxSi,
am mware sinamd-
viles rom vna-
xavdi, imave ojaxSi Tavs Cemi sa-
kuTari xeliT moviklavdi, rom
Sens gaumaZRar da usulgulo ka-
pitalistebs, egeba, patara sindi-
sis qenjna egrZnoT.
samagierod, dRevandeli Seni
`elita~ _ parlamentarebi, sami-
nistroebis muSakebi, gamgeblebi
da sxva. am kapitalisturma siste-
mam bednierze bednierebad aqcies.
TiTqmis yvela maTganma sasaxleebi
aiSena da 100 aTasebi raSi daxar-
jon, aRar ician. maT xalxic da
qveyanac fexebze hkidiaT. amitomac
Tqvenc da Tqvens garemocvasac,
komunistebis da socializmis sax-
senebelic ki gezizRebaT. komunis-
tebis mier dRe da Rame oflismR-
vreli SromiT aSenebuli socia-
lizmis qonebiT, uSromelad rom
gamilionerdiT, ra Tqma unda,
Tqven im informaciis gaxsenebac
ar gindaT, amitomac aris, rom
Tqven im sistemas avadsaxsenebels
eZaxiT. xolo Cven, vinc is soci-
alizmi avaSeneT da vimeoreb, vis
mier Seqmnili qonebiTac Tqven ga-
milionerdiT, am simdidris Semqm-
nelebs Carecxilebs gveZaxiT.
didad Seamayeba, rom Cemi Tav-
dadebuli, 52-wliani SromiT so-
cialistur saqarTvelos ise vem-
saxure, rom erTi kapikic ki, Cemi
xelfasiT, Cemi premiiT da Cemi ga-
mogonebebiT _ honoraris saxiT,
saxelmwifos salarodan ar mimi-
Ria. e.i. rasac me saxelmwifo ar
maZlevda, anu binZuri fulisTvis
xeli arasodes ar momikidia. miSa,
albaT, Senc da Seni nacebic ity-
vian _ e.i. saSualeba ar gqonda da
imitom ar agiRiao. ara, Cveno
uZRebo Svilebo, maSin me ris sa-
Sualebac mqonda, is rom Tqven
gqonodaT, Tqveni Roruli moTxo-
vnilebis gamo dRes yvela Tqvenga-
ni, miliarderi iqnebodiT.
1980 wlidan 1990 wlamde
elmavalmSenebel qarxanaSi 105 mi-
lioni maneTis generaluri rekon-
struqcia midioda (rac maSin, im
105 milioni maneTiT keTdeboda,
dRes imas 2-jer 105 miliardi
dolariTac ver gaakeTeb). am re-
konstruqciis ganyofilebis uf-
rosi viyavi me, miSa, albaT, yvela
Seni naci ityvis, maSin su-
leli yofilao. Cveno momx-
veWelebo, sulelebi gamogo-
nebebs ver igoneben. (eqvsio-
de wlis win sruliad Sem-
TxveviT, rusul JurnalSi,
Cemi erT-erTi gamogoneba,
romelic me 1972 wels
cxovrebaSi davnerge, iapone-
lebis erT-erT instituts,
34 wlis Semdeg gamougonia.
e.i. rac me, ramodenime aTeu-
li wlis win, cxovrebaSi ganva-
xorciele, imas iaponiis institu-
tis tvini 34 wlis Semdeg Caswv-
da da 250 milioni dolaris eko-
nomia miiRo, maSinve aviRe Cemi ga-
mogonebis mowmoba da JurnaliT
xelSi mivedi saqpatentSi _ rad-
gan honorari, rogorc pirvel ga-
momgonebels, kanoniT me mekuTvno-
da, sadac miTxres: _ ho, vxedavT,
rom gamogonebis avtoric Tqvena
xarT da kanoniT honoraric Tqven
gekuTvniT, magram am ususur sa-
qarTvelos imxela iaponiasTan Wi-
dili ar SeuZlia. isev sabWoTa
kavSiri rom iyos, maSin ki dedas
vutirebdiTo).
afxazeTSi omi rom daiwyo, Ce-
mi qveynis mTlianobis dasacavad
maSinve gamovcxaddi lenraionis
samxedro komisariatSi. magram ko-
misarma bilaniSvilma 58 wlis
asakis gamo ar gamiSva, rezervSi
Camwera da miTxra: _ RmerTma ar
qnas, Tqveni asakis xalxi dagvWir-
des, Tu dagvWirdiT, dagiZaxebTo.
vinaidan me ar wamiyvanes, Cemi ga-
mogonebebiT mogrovili honorari
_ 72 aTasi maneTi, bolo kapikam-
de sul afxazeTis Tavdacvis fon-
dSi Cavricxe.
im socialisturi sistemis
dros Cven `Carecxilebis~ 90
procenti, dRedaRam muxlCauxre-
lad vSromobdiT da wyobas_ so-
cializms imitom mistiris mosax-
leoba. Tqven Tqveni Roruli
moTxovnilebebis gamo rigiT moqa-
laqeebs cxovreba jojoxeTad
gviqcieT.
avTandil qurxuli
is ra prezidentia, romelic Tavisxalxs danapirebs ar usrulebs
da yovel fexis nabijze atyuebs?
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astrologiuri
prognozi
verZi _ am kvirSi pro-
fesionaluri winsvla
geliT. konkretulad es
SeiZleba iyos axali samuSao
adgili an gasamrjelos moma-
teba.
kuro _ mimdinare pe-
riodSi moimatebs Tqveni
momxibvleloba da Sarmi,
es ki sawinaaRmdego sqesi ada-
mianebs Tqvendami simpaTiiT ga-
nawyobs.
tyupebi _ Tu Tqven
gaTavisufldebiT gaore-
bisgan da amasTan konce-
ntraciasac moaxerxebT, Sesa-
Zloa seriozul warmatebebs
miaRwioT.
kirCxibi _ kviris pi-
rvel naxevarSi mosalo-
dnelia garkveuli pro-
blemebi gagiCndeT da es, Ziri-
Tadad, dakavSirebuli iqneba
Tqvens emociur mdgomareoba-
sTan.
lomi _ moerideT ma-
rto moqmedebas, TviT
ideebsac marto nu dage-
gmavT. nebismier saqmian urTi-
erTobaSi uSualoba da saqmisa-
dmi profesiuli midgoma gamo-
avlineT.
qalwuli _ am peri-
odSi miiRebT metad sa-
Wiro informacias, rome-
lic Tqvens karieras sasikeTod
waadgeba, Tumca es informacia
praqtikulad unda gamoiyenoT.
saswori _ am kviraSi
nu gamoiCenT ambicuro-
bas da sakuTar Tavze
nurc zedmet pasuxismgeblobas
aiRebT.
morieli _ nebismier
umniSvnelo wvrilmans
seriozulad miudeqiT,
raTa uyuradRebobis gamo sabe-
diswero Secdomebi ar da-
uSvaT.
mSvildosani _ Se-
saZlebelia, saqmiani ur-
TierTobebi droebiT da-
muxruWdes da iZulebiT cvli-
lebebis gakeTebac mogiwioT.
nu aboboqrdebiT da partni-
orebs nu daupirispirdebiT.
Txis rqa _ iyaviT aq-
tiuri, originaluri da
nebismier urTierTobebSi
gulwrfeloba gamoiCineT, ra-
dgan winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi
Tqvens garSemomyofebs gauCnde-
baT survili TqvenTan urTi-
erToba gawyviton.
merwyuli _ am kvi-
raSi Tqveni yuradReba
mTlianad ojaxur pro-
blemebze gadaerTveba. es ki sa-
msaxurebriv saqmeebs droebiT
ukan gadaswevs.
Tevzebi _ mimdinare
kviraSi `dasajdomad~
namdvilad ver moicliT
da mTel Tqvens energias axal
da amasTan, saintereso ideebis
ganxorcielebaze daxarjavT.
1. froidma kokaini 1884 wels gasin-
ja da gaognebuli darCa misi SedegebiT. am
nivTierebis gamoyenebis Semdeg moexsna dep-
resia, daubrunda sakuTari Tavis rwmena.
axalgazrda zigmundma statia gamoaqvey-
na saxelwodebiT ,,kokainis Sesaxeb~, sadac
igi rekomendacias uwevda kokains, rogorc
adgilobrivi gautkivarebis saSualebas, ro-
gorc asTmis, sakvebmomnelebel wamals, rac
depresiasa da nevrozebs Svelis.
fsiqoanalizis mamam im xanebSi bevri
naSromi gamoaqveyna kokainis Tvisebebis Se-
saxeb, sadac aRwerili iyo am nivTierebis miRebiT gamowveuli yvela
reaqcia. Tumca froidis daintereseba kokainiT SemTxveviTi ar yofi-
la. narkotikis borotad gamoyenebis gamo daiRupa froidis uaxloe-
si megobari enst fon flaiSli.
megobris sikvdilamde froidi cdilobda flaiSli ganekurna nar-
kodamokidebulebisagan da kokainis SenacvlebiT mkurnalobda mas. mag-
ram moxda ise, rom flaiSli axla kokaindamokidebuli gaxda. miiRo
didi raodenobis kokaini da gardaicvala.
magram davubrundeT kvlav zigmund froids. TviTonac bevrs cdi-
lobda gaqceoda TeTr fxvnils, magram es arc ise ioli aRmoCnda.
2. endi uorxoli - obetroli
obetroli arc Tu ise gavrcelebuli
narkotikia. am klasifikaciaSi aderals
ufro icnoben. am ukanasknels receptiT
iZlevian pacientisTvis, romelsac samu-
Saoze meti yuradReba da Sromisunaria-
noba sWirdeba. pop varskvlavi endi uor-
xoli obetrolis abebs ise ylapavda, ro-
gorc ,,tik-takis~ marcvlebs. miT ufro,
aseTi tipis preparatebi fsiqologiur
aramdgradobas, depresias, gulis muSao-
bis Seferxebas iwvevs. magram obetrols
kidev erTi Tviseba aqvs _ is swrafad
iwyebs moqmedebas da swrafadve mTavrdeba. ra unda hqna am dros? un-
da ylapo da ylapo abebi. Sedegi? yovelTvis fataluria.
3. mailz devisi _ heroini
Tqveni ar vici, magram mailz devisi Ce-
mi usayvarlesi musikosia. mas ,,jazis Sav
baronsac~ uwodeben. me-20 saukunis am
udides kompozitors seriozuli proble-
mebi hq qonda narkotikebTan. misi Semoqme-
debiTi moRvaweobis dros iyo periodebi,
roca musikosi saerTod ver muSaobda. da
yvelafer amaSi narkotiki iyo damnaSave.
magram mailz devisis uaxloesi megobris,
cnobili boqsioris Suga rea robinsonis
daxmarebiT oTxwliani ,,brZolis~ Semdeg
SeZlo gamomZvraliyo narkotikuli jur-
Rmulidan da dabruneboda Semoqmedebas.
4. balzaki _ kofeini
bevri Tqvengani ityvis, diliT ver
vfxizldebi, samuSaos ver Sevudgebi Wiqa
yava Tu ar davlieo. magram es aris zus-
tad yavadamokidebuleba da es ,,awuxebda~
swored did frang mweralsac. mogexsene-
baT, balzaki sakmaod nayofieri Semoqmedi
iyo, igi yoveldRe saaTobiT muSaobda. ho-
da. formaSi rom yofiliyo, svamda bevr ya-
vas, Zils rom gaqceoda. mas uyvarda Tqma
_ es surnelovani nayeni Cems gonebaSi
araCveulebriv azrebs badebso. magram dRes
iTvleba, rom swored yavis gadaWarbebuli
moxmarebis gamo daavadda mwerali gulis
avadmyofobiT, rac misi gardacvalebis mizezi gaxda axalgazrda asak-
Si. balzaki xom 50 wlisa gardaicvala?! igi dReSi oc Wiqa yavas mi-
irTmevda. aseT mdgomreobas yavadamokidebuleba anu kofeinizmi hqvia
da toqsikomaniis erT-erTi saxea. igi iwvevs gulsisxlZarRvTa daava-
debebs, nervuli sistemis daavadebebs, Tavis tkivilebs, Zilis darR-
vevas, nervul aSlilobas, aRgznebadobas, SfoTvas. xSirad adamians pe-
simistur ganwyobas uqmnis.
5. luis keroli _ opiumi
kerolis axalgazodobisas opiums lau-
danums eZaxdnen da bevri adamiani svamda
opiums, roca odnav SeuZlod iyo, an Tavi
stkioda. aravin dafiqrebula maSin imaze,
rom SeiZleboda am wamalze damokidebulni
gamxdariyvnen. ase mouvida inglisel mwe-
rals Carlz lutvij dodjsons, luis ke-
rolis saxeliT cnobil adamians. igi mig-
renis mZime daavadebiT itanjeboda. tkivi-
lis gasayuCeblad mwerali laudanums svam-
da. miT umetes, rom adreul bavSvobaSi mas
seriozuli fsiqologiuri problemebi
hqonda. narkotiki ki ,,exmareboda~ mas kompleqsis moxsnasa da saku-
Tari Tavisadmi rwmenis dabrunebaSi. roca mis wigns ,,alisa saocre-
baTa qveyanaSi~ waikiTxavT, darwmundebiT, rom luis keroli, am wig-
nis werisas narkotikis zemoqmedebis qveS iyo. Tumca unda iTqvas, rom
swored narkotiki iyo, ramac mis cxovrebas seriozuli ziani miaye-
na.
6. edit piafi
yvelafers iRebda. cnobilia, rom saf-
rangeTis sayvareli momRerali 1951 wels
seriozul avtokatastrofaSi mohyva. rom-
lis Sedegadac momReralma dakarga xeli
da ori nekni da sakmaod arasaxarbielo
Sesaxedaoba miiRo. amis Semdeg mimarTa man
morfins. svamda yvelafers, rac xelSi
moxvdeboda. am saSinel avariamde cota
xniT adre swored avtokatastrofaSi da-
iRupa editis sayvareli adamiani. momRe-
rals realobiT gamowveuli saSineli dep-
resiisgan Tavi rom daeRwia, alkohols mi-
eZala. TviTmkvlelobisgan igi megobarma
qalbatonma ixsna. alkoholizmisgan gansakurneblad mkurnalobam Se-
degi ver gamoiRo. sasmelsa da depresias momReralma Tavi ver daaR-
wia. miuxedavad amisa, momRerali scenaze mainc gamodioda. Tavis did
mwuxarebas scenaze gamosvlisas veravin amCnevda, maSinac ki, roca is
ukve filtvis kiboTi mZimed iyo daavadebuli da sunTqvas uxuTavda
yelSi mibjenili sisxli.
7. magram iciT, Tqven rom
uiliam folkneri alkoho-
liki iyo?
diax, swored is amerikeli mwe-
rali da novelisti, romelic un-
da giTxraT, dRemde rCeba CemTvis
usayvarles mwerlad da litera-
turuli azrovnebis ugvirgvino me-
fed. Tumca, rogorc amboben, sxva
aranakleb cnobil da saxelovan
amerikel mwerlebsac stanjavda
Turme es saSineli Cveva. frensis ficjeraldi, ernest heminguei, ed-
gar po, sinkler luisi, ingliseli poeti da dramaturgi dilan to-
masi. alkoholi Zalian bevri cnobili mwerlisTvis iyo narkotiki,
romelmac SeiZleba iTqvas, maT didi sikeTe ar moutana.
8. maria kalasi _ kualudi
cnobili berZeni operis momRe-
rali maria kalasi sakmaod putkuna
qalbatoni gaxldaT, magram Tavisi
karieris mwvervalze man momenta-
lurad dakarga wona, amboben, rom
is svamda kualuds da swored am
abebma Camoacila zedmeti kilogra-
mebi, Tumca is yovelTvis irwmune-
boda, rom misi sigamxdre mkacri
dietis Sedegi iyo.
9. trumen kepoti
trumen kepotma mwerlur warmatebas ma-
Sin miaRwia, roca aravin eloda amas, magram
swored am warmatebam daRupa igi. fufuneba,
cxovrebis araswori wesi, amave dros bevri
stresi da nerviuloba iyo is, ramac trumen
kepoti alkoholizmamde miiyvana. Tuki vinme
mas sasmels daumalavda, mwerali sasowark-
veTilebaSi vardeboda. bolo wlebSi is nar-
kotikebs mieZala. sikvdilis Semdeg mwerlis
sisxlSi aRmoaCines didi raodenobiT barbi-
turani, valiumi, epilefsiis sawinaaRmdego
da tkivilgamayuCebeli preparatebis kvali.
10. hemfri devi
cnobili didi britaneli qimikosi da
gamomgonebeli, romelmac udidesi aRmoCe-
nebi gaakeTa qimiaSi miiCnevda, rom azoti
ar aris sawamlavi. yovelive es man saku-
Tar Tavze gamoscada. hemfrim daiwyo azo-
tis ynosva da aRniSna, rom azotis sunma
SeiZleba adamianSi sasiamovno ganwyobac
gamoiwvios. iqedan moyolebuli qimikosi
yoveldRe ynosavda azots da miT ufro
metad grZnobda maTrobela efeqts, rac
masSi mxiarul halucinaciebs warmoqmnida.
am ,,zebunebrivi gazis~ zemoqmedebiT dawera hemfri devim leqsebi. is
am leqsebSi azotis moqmedebiT gamowveul ganwyobaze laparakobda.
erTxel, roca saxelovanma qimikosma gazis 5 didi doza Seiynosa,
3 saaTis ganmavlobaSi goneba dakarga, Tumca gamofxizlebis Semdeg eq-
sperimentebi sakuTar Tavze ar Seuwyvetia. swored aman gamoiwvia mec-
nieris seriozuli daavadeba da sikvdili.
moamzada ana vadaWkoriam
msoflios 10 cnobili narkomani