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Doctor Ing. en Tribologia Manuel Rojas Nadal Email:[email protected] Email:[email protected] Email:[email protected] Mi Grupo Emagister "Tribologia y desgaste motores Diesel" http://grupos.emagister.com/tribologia_y_desgaste_de_motores_ Mi Biblioteca Web: http://tribologomrojas.spaces.live.com/ MI pagina en SCRIBD: http://www.scribd.com/manuelrojasnadal Limite Condenatorio FECHA Dias 3/17/2010 3/24/2010 7.00 7.00 84.00 84.00 3/27/2010 3.00 10.00 120.00 204.00 3/28/2010 1.00 11.00 132.00 336.00 3/31/2010 3.00 14.00 168.00 504.00 4/2/2010 2.00 16.00 192.00 696.00 4/28/2010 26.00 42.00 504.00 1200.00 5/5/2010 7.00 49.00 588.00 1788.00 5/8/2010 3.00 52.00 624.00 2412.00 Total 52.00 2412.00 Dias Acumulados Horas sobre 12/dia Horas acumuladas 0.080 0.100 0.120 0.140 0.160 0.140 Vel hrs

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Page 1: Debate Dilusion

Doctor Ing. en Tribologia Manuel Rojas NadalEmail:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]

Mi Grupo Emagister "Tribologia y desgaste motores Diesel"http://grupos.emagister.com/tribologia_y_desgaste_de_motores_diesel/1506

Mi Biblioteca Web:http://tribologomrojas.spaces.live.com/

MI pagina en SCRIBD:http://www.scribd.com/manuelrojasnadal

Limite Condenatorio

FECHA Dias3/17/20103/24/2010 7.00 7.00 84.00 84.003/27/2010 3.00 10.00 120.00 204.003/28/2010 1.00 11.00 132.00 336.003/31/2010 3.00 14.00 168.00 504.004/2/2010 2.00 16.00 192.00 696.00

4/28/2010 26.00 42.00 504.00 1200.005/5/2010 7.00 49.00 588.00 1788.005/8/2010 3.00 52.00 624.00 2412.00

Total 52.00 2412.00

Dias Acumulados

Horas sobre 12/dia

Horas acumuladas

0.000

0.020

0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

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DATOS ESTIMADOS POR MANUELFECHA 3/17/2010 3/24/2010 3/27/2010 3/28/2010Dias 7 3 1Dias Acumulados 7 10 11Horas sobre 12/dia 84 120 132Horas acumuladas 84 204 336

FECHA 3/17/2010 3/24/2010 3/27/2010 3/28/2010 Fe 8.20 5.70 4.60 4.60 Pb 1.60 1.20 1.30 1.20

Al 1.10 1.40 1.00 0.70 Cu 0.90 3.00 0.50 0.60 Cr 0.70 0.50 0.50 0.60 Sn 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

12.5 11.8 7.9 7.7

0.140 0.066 0.058

7.1 15.2 17.1

LC 30 15FECHA Fe LC Pb LC3/17/2010 8.20 30.00 1.60 15.003/24/2010 5.70 30.00 1.20 15.00

Sub-Total Metales Desgaste

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

Velocidad Desgaste hrs/ppm

0.000

0.020

0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

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3/27/2010 4.60 30.00 1.30 15.003/28/2010 4.60 30.00 1.20 15.003/31/2010 4.80 30.00 0.30 15.004/2/2010 3.20 30.00 1.20 15.00

4/28/2010 3.50 30.00 1.40 15.005/5/2010 7.70 30.00 1.70 15.005/8/2010 8.80 30.00 1.70 15.00

Total 65.00 14.40

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

2.00

4.00

6.00

8.00

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12.00

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18.00

20.00

22.00

24.00

26.00

28.00

30.00

32.00

30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00

8.20

5.704.60 4.80

3.20 3.50

7.708.80

Contenido de Fe ppm

Fe LC

Fe

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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2.00

3.00

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6.00

7.00

8.00

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10.00

11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

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3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

1.00

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9.00

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11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

1.00

2.00

3.00

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6.00

7.00

8.00

9.00

10.00

11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

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3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

1.00

2.00

3.00

4.00

5.00

6.00

7.00

8.00

9.00

10.00

11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

1.00

2.00

3.00

4.00

5.00

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7.00

8.00

9.00

10.00

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12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

17.00

18.00

19.00

20.00

21.00

20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00

0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

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Diagnostico:.-1 Aceite Motor en muy buenas condiciones fisico-quimicas.-2 Indice de Desgaste = 11.16 %.-3 Vida Util Remanente = 88.83 %

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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2.00

3.00

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8.00

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20.00

21.00

20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00

0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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2.00

3.00

4.00

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15.00

16.00

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19.00

20.00

21.00

20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00

0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cr ppmC

r p

pm

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.-4 Chequear Analisis Punto Inflamacion siempre da 216 °C

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http://grupos.emagister.com/tribologia_y_desgaste_de_motores_diesel/1506

30 15 12 20 20 15 112

Fe Al Cr Cu Sn Pb 8.20 1.10 0.70 0.90 0. 00 1.60 12.505.70 1.40 0.50 3.00 0. 00 1.20 11.80 0.1404.60 1.00 0.50 0.50 0. 00 1.30 7.90 0.0664.60 0.70 0.60 0.60 0. 00 1.20 7.70 0.0584.80 1.20 0.20 0.40 0. 00 0.30 6.90 0.0413.20 1.00 0.20 0.30 0. 00 1.20 5.90 0.0313.50 1.90 0.50 1.20 0. 00 1.40 8.50 0.0177.70 1.10 0.70 1.90 0. 00 1.70 13.10 0.0228.80 1.20 0.40 1.80 0. 00 1.70 13.90 0.022

51.10 10.60 4.30 10.60 0.00 11.60 88.20 0.050

Sub-Total Metales

Desgaste ppm

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

0.000

0.020

0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

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3/31/2010 4/2/2010 4/28/2010 5/5/2010 5/8/2010 Total3 2 26 7 3 52

14 16 42 49 52168 192 504 588 624 0504 696 1200 1788 2412 2412

3/31/2010 4/2/2010 4/28/2010 5/5/2010 5/8/2010 Total4.80 3.20 3.50 7.70 8.80 51.100.30 1.20 1.40 1.70 1.70 11.60

1.20 1.00 1.90 1.10 1.20 10.600.40 0.30 1.20 1.90 1.80 10.60o.20 0.20 0.50 0.70 0.40 4.100.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

6.7 5.9 8.5 13.1 13.9 88

0.040 0.031 0.017 0.022 0.022 0.050

25.1 32.5 59.3 44.9 44.9 30.8

15 20 12 20 Al LC Cu LC Cr LC Sn LC1.10 15.00 0.90 20.00 0.70 12.00 0.00 20.001.40 15.00 3.00 20.00 0.50 12.00 0.00 20.00

0.000

0.020

0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

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1.00 15.00 0.50 20.00 0.50 12.00 0.00 20.000.70 15.00 0.60 20.00 0.60 12.00 0.00 20.001.20 15.00 0.40 20.00 0.20 12.00 0.00 20.001.00 15.00 0.30 20.00 0.20 12.00 0.00 20.001.90 15.00 1.20 20.00 0.50 12.00 0.00 20.001.10 15.00 1.90 20.00 0.70 12.00 0.00 20.001.20 15.00 1.80 20.00 0.40 12.00 0.00 20.00

13.10 14.50 5.50 0.00

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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20.00

22.00

24.00

26.00

28.00

30.00

32.00

30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 30.00

8.20

5.704.60 4.80

3.20 3.50

7.708.80

Contenido de Fe ppm

Fe LC

Fe

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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2.00

3.00

4.00

5.00

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7.00

8.00

9.00

10.00

11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

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3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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11.00

12.00

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15.00

16.00

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1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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3.00

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11.00

12.00

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16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

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3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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11.00

12.00

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16.00

15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 20.00

0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

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3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

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0.90

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0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

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3.00

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21.00

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0.90

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0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cr ppm

Cr

pp

m

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13 10 23

Si Na FLASH °C4.70 1.90 6.60 216.00 88.00 2.456.50 2.30 8.80 216.00 88.00 2.455.30 1.70 7.00 216.00 91.10 2.374.50 1.90 6.40 216.00 92.70 2.336.00 2.10 8.10 216.00 91.00 2.375.30 2.40 7.70 216.00 89.40 2.426.40 3.60 10.00 216.00 89.00 2.435.60 3.20 8.80 216.00 76.00 2.845.20 2.70 7.90 210.00 78.00 2.69

49.50 21.80 71.30 215.33 87.02 2.47

FLASH °C216 92.7216 91.1216 91.0216 89.4216 89.0216 88.0216 88.0210 78.0216 76.0

Contaminantes ppm

VISC SSU

Coeficiente Dilusion

VISC SSU

0.000

0.020

0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 970

80

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120

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200

210

220

230

216 216 216 216 216 216 216

210

216

92.7 91.1 91.0 89.4 89.0 88.0 88.0

78.0 76.0

FLASH °C Linear ( FLASH °C) VISC SSU Linear ( VISC SSU)

1-Chequear el Punto de Inflamacion que siempre esta dando 216 °C y la viscosidad va decreciendo de 92.7 SSU a 76.0 SSU…esto es contradictorio.

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112Sub-Total LC Total I.D % V-U.R.%

12.50 112.00 11.16 88.8411.80 112.00 10.54 89.46

Total Metales

ppm

Total Metales LC

ppm

Indice Desgaste

%VidaUtil

Remanente %

0.000

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0.040

0.060

0.080

0.100

0.120

0.140

0.160

0.140

0.066

0.058

0.041

0.031

0.0170.022 0.022

Velocidad Desgaste ppm/hrs

VD

pp

m/h

rs

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80

90

100

110

120

130

140

150

160

170

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190

200

210

220

230

216 216 216 216 216 216 216

210

216

92.7 91.1 91.0 89.4 89.0 88.0 88.0

78.0 76.0

FLASH °C Linear ( FLASH °C) VISC SSU Linear ( VISC SSU)

1-Chequear el Punto de Inflamacion que siempre esta dando 216 °C y la viscosidad va decreciendo de 92.7 SSU a 76.0 SSU…esto es contradictorio.

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7.90 112.00 7.05 92.957.70 112.00 6.87 93.136.90 112.00 6.16 93.845.90 112.00 5.27 94.738.50 112.00 7.59 92.41

13.10 112.00 11.70 88.3013.90 112.00 12.41 87.59

112.50 1008.00 11.16 88.84

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8.20

5.704.60 4.80

3.20 3.50

7.708.80

Contenido de Fe ppm

Fe LC

Fe

pp

m

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1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

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1.601.20 1.30

0.30

1.20 1.401.70 1.70

Contenido de Pb ppm

Pb

pp

m

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1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

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1.101.40

1.00 1.20 1.00

1.90

1.10 1.20

Contenido de AL ppm

AL

pp

m

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0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

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1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cu ppm

Cu

pp

m

3/13/2010 3/23/2010 4/2/2010 4/12/2010 4/22/2010 5/2/2010 5/12/20100.00

1.00

2.00

3.00

4.00

5.00

6.00

7.00

8.00

9.00

10.00

11.00

12.00

13.00

14.00

15.00

16.00

17.00

18.00

19.00

20.00

21.00

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0.90

3.00

0.50 0.40 0.30

1.201.90 1.80

Contenido de Cr ppm

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5.0

Zn P TBN 1,603 1,098 2,701 9.49 4.491,507 1,136 2,643 10.56 5.561,564 1,125 2,689 9.91 4.911,550 938 2,488 10.49 5.491,565 1,144 2,7091,504 1,153 2,657 11.02 6.021,576 1,215 2,791 10.91 5.911,607 1,233 2,840 9.18 4.181,489 1,227 2,716 10.79 5.791,552 10,269 11,821 10.29 5.29

Total Aditivos ppm

TBN Remanente

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210

216

92.7 91.1 91.0 89.4 89.0 88.0 88.0

78.0 76.0

FLASH °C Linear ( FLASH °C) VISC SSU Linear ( VISC SSU)

1-Chequear el Punto de Inflamacion que siempre esta dando 216 °C y la viscosidad va decreciendo de 92.7 SSU a 76.0 SSU…esto es contradictorio.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 970

80

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110

120

130

140

150

160

170

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190

200

210

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230

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210

216

92.7 91.1 91.0 89.4 89.0 88.0 88.0

78.0 76.0

FLASH °C Linear ( FLASH °C) VISC SSU Linear ( VISC SSU)

1-Chequear el Punto de Inflamacion que siempre esta dando 216 °C y la viscosidad va decreciendo de 92.7 SSU a 76.0 SSU…esto es contradictorio.