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Where is the throne? In sura hud, it is written that the throne is on water.

Yes, that's correct.

4.

So is the water in heaven?(smiling)

The water is above the Heavens not in heaven

It is narrated from Abbas bin Abdul-Muttalib (May Allah be pleased with him) that Allah's Messenger

(May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said:

"Do you know how much the distance between earth and heaven is?" We said, "Allah and His

Messenger know better." Then he (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said, "The

distance between them is 500 years, and the distance between one heaven to the next is 500

years, and the dimension of each heaven will take 500 years to travel, and there is a sea

between the seventh heaven and the Throne which has between its lowest and highestends the distance like that between the heavens and the earth (i.e. 500 years). And Allah

the Most Exalted is above that and nothing is secret from Him of the deeds of Bani Adam

(humankind)."

[Reported by Abu Dawud and others.]

5.

who told you that adam and eve were both in heaven

Adam and Hauwa were both in the Garden, which is above the heavens. Are you arguing that Adamand Hauwa were not in the Garden?

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He is about to place a vicegerant on earth not in heaven,was it only the two of them that was in

it? GOD when sending then out said 'ihbituu', it is used in the plural form.

Yes the vicegerant was on earth and not in heaven and were Adam and Hauwa not eventually

brought to the earth?

What point are you trying to prove here?

7)

YANZILU is from NAZALA. It means to descend. Does it also mean a physical descent

.

Yes it does. Surah Ar-Rum Verse 24:And He sends down (yunzila) water from the sky, and

therewith revives the earth after its death.


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Is God not powerfull to save jesus without taking him to heaven

Yes indeed He is!

But that being the case, He has told us in the Qur'an and through the lips of His Apostle, that Isa

was raised to the 2nd Heaven.

And we are not to question why He chose to do it that way. If one could believe the truth of the

Isra and Miraaj, then why can't one believe this?

Let me ask you a question: Why is it that you just seem to dislike the idea that Isa (A.S) is in

Heaven?

Wassalam

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Niyi53(m): 10:24am On Nov 30, 2009

I dislike the idea of isa been in heaven because it is against the clear statement of the quran, and

also derogatory to his unity.

I would have like to discuss at length but i am very busy here, nd my phone is not as east as a

computer. Therefore, lets take the points gradually, one by one.

You would present the points you want us to discuss then i start, not bring that of nazala, then

rafaha etc.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by IbrahimB: 11:01am On Nov 30, 2009

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I dislike the idea of isa been in heaven because it is against the clear statement of the quran,and also derogatory to his unity.

Derogatory to whose unity? Was Muhammad not ever in heaven? What of Jibreel and the other

angels?

2. I now put the question to you: How does Isa being in heaven compromise God's unity?

3. And its blatantly false to say its against the statement of the Qur'an. Because the Qur'an clearly

states that Isa was raised. And the Hadiths of the prophet concur that he is in the 2nd heaven.

4. I also like discussing point by point and that's why I even take the pains to number all my

statements.

5. Have you sincerely answered all the points I gave?

Frankly, you can choose to believe whatever you wish to believe.
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Wassalam.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Niyi53(m): 11:33am On Nov 30, 2009

Assalamu alaikum.

Lets start gradually from 3:55, present 10, or at least 5, deferent places where the word TAWAFFA

has been used to mean take up or raise up, except 5:117. Because it seems its only when the word

is used in relation to jesus that you take it to mean raise up.

If you dont present it i would, !

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by IbrahimB: 2:42pm On Nov 30, 2009

You've still not replied my question: how is Isa being in heaven derogatory to God's unity?

Or let me help you answer the question: The reason why you so much dislike the idea of Jesus

being in heaven is that it would terribly jeopardize Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of being

the awaited Messiah! The Ahmadi leader knew that if Isa was still alive in heaven, and will

be later returning to earth, then his audacious claim of being the messiah will be

automatically rejected

And hence, for him, it was only convenient to get Isa (A.S) out of the way.

That is the real reason.

Anyway, Niyi, I think instead of just making this brief statement:

The Holy Quran has clearly mentioned that jesus (isa ibn maryam) is dead. 5:116-117;3:56 etc.And it is against the idea that he was raised up to the heavens.

One would have expected you to present a detailed article explaining your position. Then you can

wait for the "house of assembly" to either agree or disagree with you. It seemed you just made the

statement in order to start an argument?

You started the thread. Can we have your essay please? Thank you.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 1:54am On Dec 01, 2009

niyi53, please dont die disbelieving that sayidina Isa bin Maryam (AS) will return to earth as a sign

of the end of time. And there is no place in Surah Maida, especially 116 you quoted that indicated

an event that has happened already since Allah's conversation to follow is on the day of

Judgement.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Abuzola 1(m): 9:41am On Dec 01, 2009

Niyi am less busy today, i will quote the hadith and Quran inshallah

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I believe jesus christ is dead the way other prophets died, but not on the cross. I also believe that

"isa ibn maryam" is coming as foretold by the holy prophet (saw).

The holy quran mentioned his death in a number of places more than it even mentioned the death

of other prophet. And one fact still exist, and it is as long as the muslims are still believing that

jesus is still alive, they are supporting them in their belief, because they would (in that case be

worshipping a living god)

This are my evidence (from the quran) that he is dead:

1) 5:117- 'and i was a witness over them as long as i remained among them, but since Thou didst

cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them;and Thou Witness over all things'.

There is no doubt that this verse indicates clearly about the death of isa ibn maryam. This isbecause of the question asked at the begining of the preceding verse (and when Allah will say, 'O

Jesus, son of mary, didst thou say to men, 'take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?). If

we accept as it is said that, it is an event which is going to occur on the day of resurrection,

then,we should know that jesus is saying that he was a witness and a watcher over his people as

long as he was among them. And that they never turned in to disbelievers(taken him for a god),

except after he left them(he died).

But if it is that he returned from heaven as it is said, he would have surely knew that his followers

have gone astray and have taken him for god. It is a known fact that the christians take jesus for

god (5:72, indeed they are disbelievers who say surely Allah is none but the messiah son of mary.)

and they have not stoped taking him for god. Then it would be a lair(God forbids) on his path to

deny that he doesnt know about it.

In hadith bukhari, it is narrated that the holy prophet, on the day of judgement, would want to

intercede for some people who would be on the left side. Then he would be told that they deviated

after you have left them. Then the holy prophet would then recite 5:116. Bukhari vol 6, kitabu

tafsir, 5:116.) does this mean that the holy prophet was also raised?


2) 3:55, and when Allah said o jesus i would cause you to die (a natural death.) and will exalt thee

to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who

follow thee above those who disbelieve, untill the day of resurrection,

TAWAFFA, if it is from babi-t-tafhil, and the MUTAWAFFA(subject) is Allah or one of the angels,

and the MUTAWAFFI (object) is a person with soul, the meaning is nothing but death. A thingcontrary to this cannot be found in the quran nor in the books of hadith nor in arabic language nor

in any book of arabic poetry. This example from the dictionaries, quran, and hadith will be

sufficient:

tawaffa-l-lahu fulaanan means he took his soul.(aqrabul mawarid)

TAWAFFA LAHU means he took the soul.(qamusu muhit, lisan ul arab)

from the quran:

And those of you who die and leave wives behind,(2:234) and in death number us among the

righteous(3:193) let death come to me in a state of submission to thy will and join me to the

righteous(12:101).

From the traditions:

hazrat Aisha says 'TAWAFFA N nabiyyu fi bayti. (the holy prophet died in my room). In the funeral

prayer, the holy prophet recite, man tawaffaitahu minna, fatawaffahu alal iman.Ibn Abbas says in his tafsir, MUTAWAFFI KA MUMIITUKA. MUTAWAFFI KA is I will cause you to die.


As for the word rafa'a in the verse(rafi'uka ilayy and bal rafa'ahu llahu ilaihi), it does not mean that

the messiah was raised up to the heaven alive with his physical body. 'Rafa'a' here means

exaltation in station, rank, degree,or nearness to Him in spirit not is body, because Allah is not in a

particular place that he would raise a physical body to Himself. But He is found every where, has

He has said: And He is Allah in heavens and on earth,(sura an'am).

In sura araf, 176, and if We had pleased, We could have exalted(rafa'nahu) him thereby. In sura

nur, 36, (This light is now lit in houses with regard to which Allah has ordained that they be
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'exalted'. In sura mujadala,11, And Allah will RAISE those who believe from among you.

In the tradition, sahih bukhari tafsir sura Rahman, every day He manifest His self, forgives sins,

remove distresses, RAISE some nations, and abase others.

The holy prophet said, verily, Allah RAISE with this book, nations, and abase some.(sahih muslim,

bab fadli man yaqumu bil quran). the holy prophet said, and none humbles himself for Allah except

that Allah RAISES him (bab istijaba l'afwu wat tawad'i)

in the prayer said btw the two sajda: my lord forgive me, and have mercy on me, and protect me,

and RAISE me (sunan ibn majah).

From all this prayers, we've never seen anybody been raised up to heaven, or is our prayers not

accepted?Nobody ever thought IDRIS was raised up to heaven with his physical body when God says in sura

maryam,56-57, and relate the story of Idris as mentioned in the book. He was a truthful man and a

prophet. And We RAISED him to a lofty station. If we say he is alive,physically, in heaven,we will

having two options, either he is going to come down to the earth then die or stay in heaven till

eternity. As for his coming, there is no foundation for it and none believes in it. As for his staying in

heaven with his physical body till eternity, it is contradictory to the verse, every soul shall taste

death(sura ambiya), if we say he is going to die in heaven, it will also contradict the verse, therein

you shall live, therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought forth from(araf). The truth is

that Allah raised him in spirit, and not bodily, as He has raised all the prophets.


As for the word rafa'a in the verse(rafi'uka ilayy and bal rafa'ahu llahu ilaihi), it does not mean that

the messiah was raised up to the heaven alive with his physical body. 'Rafa'a' here means

exaltation in station, rank, degree,or nearness to Him in spirit not is body, because Allah is not in a

particular place that he would raise a physical body to Himself. But He is found every where, has

He has said: And He is Allah in heavens and on earth,(sura an'am).

In sura araf, 176, and if We had pleased, We could have exalted(rafa'nahu) him thereby. In sura

nur, 36, (This light is now lit in houses with regard to which Allah has ordained that they be

'exalted'. In sura mujadala,11, And Allah will RAISE those who believe from among you.

In the tradition, sahih bukhari tafsir sura Rahman, every day He manifest His self, forgives sins,

remove distresses, RAISE some nations, and abase others.

The holy prophet said, verily, Allah RAISE with this book, nations, and abase some.(sahih muslim,

bab fadli man yaqumu bil quran). the holy prophet said, and none humbles himself for Allah exceptthat Allah RAISES him (bab istijaba l'afwu wat tawad'i)

in the prayer said btw the two sajda: my lord forgive me, and have mercy on me, and protect me,

and RAISE me (sunan ibn majah).

From all this prayers, we've never seen anybody been raised up to heaven, or is our prayers not

accepted?

Nobody ever thought IDRIS was raised up to heaven with his physical body when God says in sura

maryam,56-57, and relate the story of Idris as mentioned in the book. He was a truthful man and a

prophet. And We RAISED him to a lofty station. If we say he is alive,physically, in heaven,we will

having two options, either he is going to come down to the earth then die or stay in heaven till

eternity. As for his coming, there is no foundation for it and none believes in it. As for his staying in

heaven with his physical body till eternity, it is contradictory to the verse, every soul shall taste

death(sura ambiya), if we say he is going to die in heaven, it will also contradict the verse, thereinyou shall live, therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought forth from(araf). The truth is

that Allah raised him in spirit, and not bodily, as He has raised all the prophets.


As for the statement 'ila' or 'ilaihi', it does not indicate raising in body. Hazrat Ibrahim said ' inni

muhajirun ila rabbi' 'i take refuge in my lord'(29:26). I am going to my Lord, Who will guide

me(37:99).

Those who are patient would say to Allah we belong, and to Him we are going to return. In sura

dhariyat,50, run ye therefore unto Allah. All these do not mean Allah is in a place physically, but it

is spiritual. The holy prophet said he saw Allah "bi 'ainul qalb" that is with the eye of his heart.
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Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Niyi53(m): 12:04pm On Dec 01, 2009

One more point is that Allah says in sura Nahl 20-21, and those on whom they call beside Allah

created not anything, but they are themselves created. THEY ARE DEAD, NOT LIVING; AND THEY

KNOW NOT WHEN THEY WILL BE RAISED.

Its a fact which the quran acknowledge, that jesus is among those been called upon beside Allah.

Therefore according to this verse,all (no exception is made) is dead. JESUS IS THEREFORE DEAD.

And peace shall be on him who follows the guidiance. (20:47)


Abuzola 1:

Niyi am less busy today, i will quote the hadith and Quran inshallah

i am also expecting you. And a magician shall not thrive, come where he may.(20:70)

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Abuzola 1(m): 3:45pm On Dec 01, 2009

Niyi53:

i am also expecting you. And a magician shall not thrive, come where he may.(20:70)

smile


Here we go: if you disbelieve in any part of the Quran or hadith then it means ahmadi are not true

muslim, a true muslim comply with the Quran and hadith


Since you believe that hadith explains the Quran then lets start with this

sahih bukhari, vol 4, book 55, number 657

narrated by Abu huraira that Allah's Apostle said,,'By Him in whose my soul is, surely (jesus) the

son of mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly , he will break the cross,

kill the pigs and there will be no jizya. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept

charitable gifts and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) is better than the whole world and

whatever is in it.

Abu huraira added,'if you wish you can recite it (in the Quran)

'and there is none of the people of the book but must believe in him (jesus son of mary as only a

messenger of God) before his death (i.e before jesus death). And on the day of judgement he will

be a witness against them' Quran 4:159

(see also fatal al bari pg 302, vol 7)

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Sahih bukhari, Vol 3, book 43, number 656

Narrated Abu hurairah

Allah's Apostle said,'The hour will not be established untill son of mary (jesus) descends amongst

you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish jizya, money will be abundance

that no one will accept charitable gifts'

The above hadith says that the world will not come to an end till jesus descends amongst us.

It is also supported by the Quran

'and he (jesus) son of mary shall be a known sign for the hour . Therefore have no doubt

concerning it. And follow Me (Allah). This is the straight path' Quran 43:61


Abuzola 1:




son of mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly , he will break the

cross, kill the pigs and there will be no jizya. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will

accept charitable gifts and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) is better than the whole world

and whatever is in it.


'and there is none of the people of the book but must believe in him (jesus son of mary as only amessenger of God) before his death (i.e before jesus death). And on the day of judgement he

will be a witness against them' Quran 4:159


when the quran has already established the fact that jesus (isa ibn maryam, who was sent to the

children of israel) is dead, the holy prophet could not have gone or act contrary to it.

The fact of the matter is that nearly everybody has been misled by the word NUZUL in the

tradition. Literally it means 'descent'. Therefore most people have been misled into thinking that as

the Messiah was to have a descent, it can only be the first Messiah. Now, it is quite wrong to think

that the word NUZUL always means 'descent from an eminence'. The word 'descent' only points to

how important, significant and far-reaching the thing is which is to descend. It tells us that the

thing to 'descend' is to be the instrument of the Majesty and Power of God. Such things are said to

'descend' from God to a people. This meaning of 'descent' (sending down) is in conformity with

usage sanctioned by the Holy Quran in several passages. Thus:

And He has 'sent down' eight head of cattle in pairs. (al zumar, 6)

and we 'sent down' iron, wherein is material for violent warfare and many benefits for mankind and

that Allah may distinguish those who help Him and His Messengers without having seem Him. Surely,

Allah is Powerful, Mighty. (al hadid, 25)

and if Allah should enlarge the provision for His servants, they would rebel in the earth; but He

'sends down' according to a proper measure as He pleases. Indeed, He is All-Aware and All-Seeing

with regard to His servants. (al shura, 27)

then He sent down His peace upon His messenger. (9:26). And sent down on you Manna and Salwa
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Then after the sorrow, He sent down peace on you, a slumber that overcame a party of you.

(3:154). We have indee sent down raiment to you to cover your shame, and to be an elegant

dress; but the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. That is one of the Signs of Allah that

they may remember. (7:26).

Every body knows that peace is a quality of the human mind and sleep a function of the human

brain. Animals, garments, green fields, quails (salwa), iron, and other things grow on the soil or

come from under it. They do not descend or drop down from Heaven. Nor is their 'descent from

Heaven' a description sanctioned by the holy quran. The description of the Holy Quran is quite

clear. It says: And He put therein firm mountains on the surface, and He put blessings therein and

measured its foods therein into four periods, alike for all seekers. (41:10)


Abuzola 1:




son of mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly , he will break thecross, kill the pigs and there will be no jizya. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will

accept charitable gifts and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) is better than the whole world

and whatever is in it.


'and there is none of the people of the book but must believe in him (jesus son of mary as only a

messenger of God) before his death (i.e before jesus death). And on the day of judgement he

will be a witness against them' Quran 4:159


when the quran has already established the fact that jesus (isa ibn maryam, who was sent to the

children of israel) is dead, the holy prophet could not have gone or act contrary to it.

The fact of the matter is that nearly everybody has been misled by the word NUZUL in the

tradition. Literally it means 'descent'. Therefore most people have been misled into thinking that as

the Messiah was to have a descent, it can only be the first Messiah. Now, it is quite wrong to think

that the word NUZUL always means 'descent from an eminence'. The word 'descent' only points to

how important, significant and far-reaching the thing is which is to descend. It tells us that the

thing to 'descend' is to be the instrument of the Majesty and Power of God. Such things are said to

'descend' from God to a people. This meaning of 'descent' (sending down) is in conformity with

usage sanctioned by the Holy Quran in several passages. Thus:

And He has 'sent down' eight head of cattle in pairs. (al zumar, 6)

and we 'sent down' iron, wherein is material for violent warfare and many benefits for mankind and

that Allah may distinguish those who help Him and His Messengers without having seem Him. Surely,

Allah is Powerful, Mighty. (al hadid, 25)

and if Allah should enlarge the provision for His servants, they would rebel in the earth; but He

'sends down' according to a proper measure as He pleases. Indeed, He is All-Aware and All-Seeing

with regard to His servants. (al shura, 27)

then He sent down His peace upon His messenger. (9:26). And sent down on you Manna and Salwa

Then after the sorrow, He sent down peace on you, a slumber that overcame a party of you.

(3:154). We have indee sent down raiment to you to cover your shame, and to be an elegant

dress; but the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. That is one of the Signs of Allah that

they may remember. (7:26).

Every body knows that peace is a quality of the human mind and sleep a function of the human
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brain. Animals, garments, green fields, quails (salwa), iron, and other things grow on the soil or

come from under it. They do not descend or drop down from Heaven. Nor is their 'descent from

Heaven' a description sanctioned by the holy quran. The description of the Holy Quran is quite

clear. It says: And He put therein firm mountains on the surface, and He put blessings therein and

measured its foods therein into four periods, alike for all seekers. (41:10)


From this it becomes clear that it is another person that is going to come who would be the jesus.Some people do even think that the mahdi is different from jesus. But they dont read the traditions

well. In ibn majah, the holy prophet said there is no mahdi except isa ibn maryam. Meaning they are

the same person. A person bearing two names for two different purposes. He is bearing jesus

because his duty related to breaking the cross. He is bearing mahdi because of his duty of

reformation of islam.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by Abuzola 1(m): 5:12pm On Dec 02, 2009

Interesting ! So Abu hurairah misread Nuzul meaning abu hurairah was making blunder, hahaha

Allahu akbar. First and foremost you belied sahih bukhari which is the highest book of hadith,

secondly you accuse abu hurairah of not knowing what he was saying.

Islamic Scholars have agreed that mutawaffiqa in that context means sleep, this is also supported

by the hadith above but if we say he die then who is lying, haba remove ur pride and accept the

truth. Even Quran says the hour will not come till jesus descend,

God said He raised him up in the Quran and the equivalent is descend. But if it is another jesus who

is not an angel then how did he manage to ascend talk of descend. Fear Allah and stop misleading

people

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 6:24pm On Dec 02, 2009

@NiggerHtr: Living in the slum of South Bronx still does not mean that you have to behave like ahoolum. Common man, grow up. Nigger this, Nigger that. Okay, you are a Whigger, too. Are you

happy now? Now lets have our dialogue and if you cant deal with it, go to the Christian section. Am

not expecting a respond, please, Whigger.

Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 6:40pm On Dec 02, 2009

@Niyi53: #53 on: Today at 12:24:52 PM

From this it becomes clear that it is another person that is going to come who would be the

jesus. Some people do even think that the mahdi is different from jesus. But they dont read the

traditions well. In ibn majah, the holy prophet said there is no mahdi except isa ibn maryam.

Meaning they are the same person. A person bearing two names for two different purposes. He isbearing jesus because his duty related to breaking the cross. He is bearing mahdi because of his

duty of reformation of islam.

The problem with your statement is that there is no need to c reate 2 Jesus, since Allah attaches

Jinn to every human soul created, will there be two Jinns, too? If Jesus is Mahdi, is the Mahdi that

he is going to be born again as a baby, since Allah did not say somebody will be created as adult

like Adam, or Jesus will be born a second time? I am asking these questions because you at least

believe that Jesus will come back.

Allah says in Surah Rahman that all persons shall die (perish) and Only the Face (the Whole) of

Allah Shall remain. We already know that throughout time, humans will remain until after death

overtakes everyone on earth and even in heavens and even death himself will die, hence the only
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time that verse in Rahman shall actually be fulfilled. Are you saying that Jesus will die the second

time, if Jesus already die in India as you have alluded?


Abuzola 1:

Interesting ! So Abu hurairah misread Nuzul meaning abu hurairah was making blunder, hahaha

Allahu akbar. First and foremost you belied sahih bukhari which is the highest book of hadith,

secondly you accuse abu hurairah of not knowing what he was saying.

Islamic Scholars have agreed that mutawaffiqa in that context means sleep, this is also

supported by the hadith above but if we say he die then who is lying, haba remove your pride

and accept the truth. Even Quran says the hour will not come till jesus descend,

God said He raised him up in the Quran and the equivalent is descend. But if it is another jesus

who is not an angel then how did he manage to ascend talk of descend. Fear Allah and stop

misleading people

why cant you give evidence to disprove what i have said. Look its not easy to accept the truth.

Read the quran very well, you will find out that previous nations in which prophet were sent to,never accepted their messenger just like that. You think you are on the right path because your

parents friends family are having the same view like yours. Hazrat Ibrahim, when he told his father

and his people the truth, they said is it what their father and grandfather worshipped that is false?

They were not ready to accept the truth.

When you are also telling the christians to think twice so that they accept islam, do you think its

easy? Thats why you would not accept this.

I think you said you are a bible scholar? You ought to have come across the verse of the old

testament which promised to the jews, second coming of elijah. Till tomorrow, the jews would not

believe in christ because elijah is yet to descend. And elijah must first descend before the christ

would come. When christ came, they asked him where elijah is, he told them that he is john the

baptist. Still they dont believe him.

Its not surprising that some muslims would not accept the ahmadiyya view about jesus, but theholy prophet has already said that what happened to the jews would surely happen to the muslims

would.

All i want is that you refute all i present with evidences from the quran and hadith, not what a

scholar says. You know that the holy prophet said that he is leaving two things for us, the quran

and his sunna, who ever adheres to it would never go astray.

Its not for me to make you believe. Wa ma ala rasuli illal balagul mubin (the duty of the messenger

is nothing but the conveyance of the message). Its Allah who would make you to believe.


@olabowale, i said i believe he is coming, but not the first jesus. Yes there is going to be twojesus, as there were two elijah.

You and abuzola have not yet refute my views with the quran and hadith.

Whether there is going to be two jinn or not, its not my concern, and what does that has to do

with ones faith?

Provide the verses which says jesus is in heaven and prove it. It is not possible that jesus die and

come back to life again, its against the quranic teachings


@Abuzola and olabowale. I am still expecting your views in the light of the holy quran and and

hadith to refute what i have presented.
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names. So, continue to call us all sort of names.

Calling the Ahmadis kafirs because they dont accept your view, is that what the holy prophet

taught you?

There are some muslim sects who believe that it is ali who suppose to be the prophet and not

muhammad (saw), according to you, they are muslims. Some believe ali will even come back. Some

belive God is having begining and so on. Go to google and find out yourself. If i give you a website

you might be thinking its an ahmadiyya created website (astagfirulla).


Abuzola 1:

Mr man why are you arrogantly denying the truth, i wrote two hadith and two ayats that jesus

the son of mary is coming instead you said it is another jesus. Am really scared of your doctrine.

How many jesus son of mary do we ve in the Quran ? One or two, i asked you to tell me which

jesus ascended come to talk of descending, was it not jesus the son of mary. Now i know how

you guys are herectic. Truely herectic,

@olabowale: niyi and the congregation of ahmadiya disbelieve in the coming of imam mahdi,

despite numerous hadith stating that mahdi and prophet isa will meet and argue at masjidil haram

on who to give the solah prayer. The ahmadi believe that their indian founder of ahmadiya ahmad

ghulam is the mahdi , he had came and gone

thanks the holy prophet was called a mad man by the meccans.

I have already proved from the quran and with traditions that jesus is dead and the holy prophet

also stated his age.

The idea of jesus been raised to heaven is contrary to the quran. If you can prove it, then your

view can be established.

Remember that the holy quran also described the holy prophet as ('nazala') descend(65:10-11), but

nobody ever thought that the holy prophet came down from the heaven.

You can call the Ahmadis whatever name you like. The previous prophet were also called all sort ofnames. So, continue to call us all sort of names.

Calling the Ahmadis kafirs because they dont accept your view, is that what the holy prophet

taught you?

There are some muslim sects who believe that it is ali who suppose to be the prophet and not

muhammad (saw), according to you, they are muslims. Some believe ali will even come back. Some

belive God is having begining and so on. Go to google and find out yourself. If i give you a website

you might be thinking its an ahmadiyya created website (astagfirulla).

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