dancing app stores - android open 2011
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Dancing App Stores?
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“That company in Brooklyn is so hip they have dancing app stores
on their website”
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There are many, many Android App Stores
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(not quite as many app stores as
dancing hamsters)
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I almost calledthis talk...
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88 Lines About44 App Stores
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If I spent 20 seconds on each Android App Store, this talk would
run over time
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http://amazon.com/appstorehttp://andappstore.com
http://android.pdassi.dehttp://andspot.com
http://appoke.comhttp://apps.fasmicro.nethttp://appslib.com
http://m.djuzz.comhttp://market.android.com
http://mjelly.com/apps/tags/androidhttp://mplayit.comhttp://open.app.qq.com
http://promo.appcity.comhttp://sc.hiapk.com/himarket
http://slideme.orghttp://soc.io
http://store.handmark.comhttp://storeoid.comhttp://wandoujia.com
http://www.airtel.in/appshttp://www.androidpit.com
http://www.androlib.comhttp://www.apktop.com
http://www.appchina.comhttp://www.appia.com
http://www.appitalism.comhttp://www.applanet.net
http://www.camangimarket.comhttp://www.docomo-market.info
http://www.eoemarket.comhttp://www.explorepda.com/products.php?OS=Androidhttp://www.fastapp.com
http://www.getjar.comhttp://www.goapk.com
http://www.handango.comhttp://www.handster.comhttp://www.maopao.com
http://www.mobango.comhttp://www.mobihand.com
http://www.mobile2day.comhttp://www.mobileapps.com
http://www.mobiles24.comhttp://www.mobspot.comhttp://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/SHOP4APPS/US-EN
http://www.nduoa.comhttp://www.nn4d.com/appwarehouse
http://www.pocketgear.comhttp://www.samsungapps.com
http://www.whiteapp.com
http://yaam.mobihttps://bloomworlds.com
https://market.android.comhttps://marketplace.cisco.com/apphq
https://nookdeveloper.barnesandnoble.comhttp://f-droid.orghttp://m.sonyericsson.com/playnow
http://www1.orange.co.uk/entertainment/OrangeWorldhttp://mobile.optuszoo.com.au/cocoon
http://www.nexva.comhttp://emocion.movistar.es/mstorehttp://www.ubi-nuri.com
http://www.mmarket.comhttp://hyper.biz.tr/
http://mikandi.comhttp://www.lgworld.com/web.gateway.dev
http://www.insydemarket.comhttp://www.esdn.wshttp://droydmarket.com
http://blapkmarket.comhttp://www.appstorehq.com
http://www.apptown.com/Add_App.htmlhttp://www.92apk.com
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(73)
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(Yes, I left out a screenshot
so the grid fit)
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Some markets are for specific places
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Some are for specific types of apps
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Some are tied to a carrier or manufacturer
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Some are tied to afree software ethos
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I am an Android hobbyist
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K-9 is myopen source
hobby project
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K-9 Mail
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4-5 active committers
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4 Google Summer of Code students
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There are around a dozen forks of K-9 on the Android Market
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...like Kaiten Mail
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Kaiten Mail is my commercial
hobby project
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Kaiten Mail
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Kaiten Mail
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Kaiten usually gets1-2 hours of my day
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Kaiten earns$5000-$6000per month
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90+% of that comes from the Google Android Market
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My experiences so far
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Amazon App Store
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Initial Posting of K-9took weeks
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Every change needs to be manually reviewed
and approved by Amazon
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Amazon editsyour prose
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Amazon reserves the right to discount your
app dramatically
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Even if they give your app away free, you still get 20% of list price...
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...except it looks like mostly, you don’t.
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App review time is unpredictable
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You can’t refund unhappy users
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Stats are very limited
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There’s no provision for an emergency
release
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Posted Kaiten by Amazon’s review
deadline for their App Store launch
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Kaiten appeared about 2 weeks after the App
Store launched
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Initial Kaiten Mail Release Price: $20
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Initial sales...
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...I had no idea.
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Amazon’s sales stats were down for the first 2 weeks Kaiten was up
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First two weeks...
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I sold 5 copies
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I dropped theprice to $5
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...I put in a request that Amazon drop the price
to $5.
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It only took them 2 days to approve the
pricing change!
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Sales picked up a bit
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I sold 28 copies in the second two weeks
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Currently the #6 paid communications app
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I now make $100-$300/month
from Amazon
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Listing Kaiten on Android Market
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Sales sucked
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I sucked
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I did no marketing
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I did no advertising
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Slowly, Kaiten crept up the charts
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It got into the top 100 communications apps
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Sales started to get a lot better
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Two things made for a “good” sales day
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A new releaseimproves sales
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Functionalitydoesn’t matter
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Usually #30-40 paid Communcations app
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Kaiten Mail
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Kaiten Mail
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That’s 10 days withno new upload
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I did it for you guys
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Currently #56 paid Communications app
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Tomorrow, timefor a new upload
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Good, recent reviewsimprove sales
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★ ★ ★ ★ ★
★ ★ ★ ★ ★
★ ★ ★ ★ ★ =
SALES
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★ ★ ★ ★ ★
★ ★ ★ ★ ★
★ ★ ★ ★ ★ =
SADNESS
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Reviews with comments matter
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Past a certain point, average ratingdoesn’t matter
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AndroidPIT
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2nd tier App Market
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They pay, but notas fast as Google
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They approached me for a paid promotion
in September
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For EUR1000, they’d advertise Kaiten in
their weekly newsletter
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They asked to discount Kaiten from $5 to $3
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Lots of people bought Kaiten during the
promo period
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(Saw an uptick on the Android Market, too)
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I made my money back and then a bit
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Nothing earth-shattering
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I sell a couple copies a day on AndroidPIT
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They just launched a second Kaiten promo
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Currently #2 paid Communcations app &
#9 top paid app
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AndroidPIT earns me around $400-$600/mo
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Motorola Shop4Apps
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Country-specific app stores
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Automatic and manual Vetting processes
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Even less feedback than Amazon
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They used to have Central- and South-American app stores
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They still have a Chinese app store
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I posted Kaiten with a full Chinese listing
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In 3 months, I’ve sold...
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...one copy
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UPDATE!
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I checked today
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I’ve now sold...
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three more copies!
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SlideME
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Others have had lots of success with SlideME
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It’s the place to take your NES Emulator when Google pulls
your account
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Their UI is awful
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Their performance is awful
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Their app selection is awful
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They have a weird, complex “inventory”
scheme
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I sell O(1) copy per week there.
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The warez scene
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apktop
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Kaiten often ends up on apktop before
shows up on Amazon
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Pirates are brazen
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They write for free tech support
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...and then tell me they had pirated Kaiten, but bought the app because the support was good
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Other app stores I’ve dealt with...
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...are less awesome.
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Many don’t support paid apps
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Many are operated by shadowy, sketchy
companies
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Not all of those are Mobile carriers!
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The app stores with the tightest carrier
relationships seem to be the most painful
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It took months for one of them to tell me they hadn’t posted my app...
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...because I was missing a marketing asset
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So, what do I recommend?
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AassaaS
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AndroidappstoresubmissionasaService
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Please startan AassaaScompany!
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I Will Pay You
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Don’t limit yourself to the Google
Android Market
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Amazon’s going to become more
prominent
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(I like safe predictions)
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Pick a couple more markets to try
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F/LOSS Apps only
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Based on APKtor
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Some folks like GetJAR
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(they don’t do paid apps)
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App store directories
• http://www.wipconnector.com/appstores/
• http://www.android-markets-info.com/
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