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Scott M. Tarr, P.E. FACI [email protected] Guidance to Concrete Solutions NORTH S TARR CONCRETE CONSULTING, P.C. November 9, 2017 Concrete Moisture and pH Testing What Are We Measuring?

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  • Guidance to Concrete Solutions

    NORTH S ETARRCONCRETE CONSULTING, P.C.

    Scott M. Tarr, P.E. FACI

    [email protected]

    Guidance to Concrete Solutions

    NORTH STARRCONCRETE CONSULTING, P.C.

    November 9, 2017

    Concrete Moisture and pH TestingWhat Are We Measuring?

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  • Guidance to Concrete Solutions

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    What We Want to Avoid

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    Moisture 101

    Moisture is Found Naturally in Three States

    SolidLiquid

    Gas

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    Moisture 101

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    Moisture 101

    Sources of Liquid Moisture and Vapor• Concrete

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    How much free water ?

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    Moisture 101

    Typical 4000 psi concrete

    32 gal of water/cu yd = 267 lbs/cu yd

    Water-to-cement ratio 0.50

    Leaves 133.5 lbs free water/yd

    = 1,650 lbs free-water/1,000 sq ft (4” slab)

    Water needed for hydration w/c 0.25 = 133.5 lbs

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    Every truckload delivers over 100 gallonsof free water at no extra charge.

    That’s Free Water!

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    Moisture 101

    Sources of Liquid Moisture and Vapor• Concrete

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    Moisture 101

    Sources of Liquid Moisture and Vapor• Concrete• Irrigation• Broken Pipes• Condensation (dewpoint or “adsorption”)

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    Moisture 101

    80

    90 %

    77

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    Dewpoint Condensation

    Dehumidified Air

    Warm Humid Air

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    Warm Slab Above Dewpoint Temperature

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    Slab Surface Density

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    Moisture 101

    Sources of Liquid Moisture and Vapor• Concrete• Irrigation• Broken Pipes• Condensation (dewpoint or “adsorption”)• Fill Course (cushion or blotter layer)

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    Moisture 101

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  • Guidance to Concrete Solutions

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    Moisture 101

    Sources of Liquid Moisture and Vapor• Concrete• Irrigation• Broken Pipes• Condensation (dewpoint or “adsorption”)• Fill Course (cushion or blotter layer)• Adhesives• Maintenance

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    Moisture 101

    Groundwater Sources of Moisture• Hydrostatic Pressure• Capillary Action• Vapor Diffusion

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    Concrete Slab-on-Ground

    Hydrostatic Pressure

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    Hydrostatic Pressure

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    Water

    Narrow Glass Straw

    Capillary Action

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    Water

    Wide Glass Straw

    Capillary Action

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    Capillary Action

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    Lower Vapor Pressure

    Higher Vapor Pressure

    Concrete

    Vapor Diffusion

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    Vapor Diffusion

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    5555

    100

    70

    30

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    Water Vapor Pressure Differential

    55°F and 100% RH = 0.214 psi

    70°F and 30% RH= 0.108 psi

    - Vapor Diffusion

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    Vapor Barrier / Retarder

    Water Vapor Pressure Differential

    70°F and 30% RH= .108 psi

    55°F and 100% RH = 0.214 psi

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    Note Condensed Water Droplets

    Under VaporRetarder.

    Vapor Retarder

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    Lower Vapor Pressure

    Higher Vapor Pressure

    Concrete

    Vapor Diffusion

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    Vapor Diffusion

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    Vapor Diffusion

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    0

    10

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    30

    40

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    10050 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100

    RH%

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    concrete placed

    (day zero)

    9-days40-days70-days5 months

    Slab with a vapor retarder immediately below

    ~10% RHGradient

    Surface

    Bottom

    4 in. Thick

    Slab Curling/Warping Moisture Gradient

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    Slab Relative Humidity Gradient

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    Relative Humidity, Percent

    Slab

    Dep

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    7-in.-thick slab

    4-year old slab on draining base

    9540

    55% RHGradient

    2

    Slab Curling/Warping Moisture Gradient

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    What is Dry?

    CaCl MeterRH

    ResistanceMeter

    MassLoss

    What is a Triathlete?

    Surface RH(Hood Test)

    Plastic Sheet

    MatBond

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    What Moisture is Measured?

    CaClMeter

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    Sla

    b D

    epth

    % RH ~100%

    Initial Concrete PlacementAfter Surface Drying – Moisture Gradient

    Moisture Equilibration After Covering

    Basics of Slab Moisture

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    Sla

    b D

    epth

    % RH ~100%

    Initial Concrete PlacementAfter Surface Drying – Moisture Gradient

    Moisture Equilibration After Covering

    Basics of Slab Moisture

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    Sla

    b D

    epth

    % RH ~100%

    Initial Concrete PlacementAfter Surface Drying – Moisture Gradient

    Moisture Equilibration After Covering

    Basics of Slab Moisture

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    Sla

    b D

    epth

    % RH ~100%

    Initial Concrete PlacementAfter Surface Drying – Moisture Gradient

    Moisture Equilibration After Covering

    Basics of Slab Moisture

    40% Slab DepthASTM F 2170

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    Discrepancy Between Manufacturers???

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    Sla

    b D

    epth

    % RH ~100%

    Initial Concrete PlacementAfter Surface Drying – Moisture Gradient

    Moisture Equilibration After Covering

    Basics of Slab Moisture

    40% Slab DepthASTM F 2170

    And If You Think Moisture is Tricky to Measure…What About pH???

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    In Las Vegas, they make a big deal about pH…

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    pHIs a measure of hydrogen ions in solution

    But in Science…

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    pH Testing• You are a chemist

    preparing a solution• Clean Surface• Distilled or

    Deionized Water• Puddle 1 inch

    Diameter• 60 Seconds +/- 5

    Seconds• Wet Paper and

    Immediately Compare to Chart

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  • Guidance to Concrete Solutions

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    Don’t let moisture take a bite out of you or your business

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    Thank You!Scott M. Tarr, P.E. FACI

    [email protected]

    Concrete Moisture and pH Testing�What Are We Measuring?Slide Number 2What We Want to AvoidMoisture 101Moisture 101Moisture 101Slide Number 7Moisture 101Slide Number 9Moisture 101Moisture 101Moisture 101Slide Number 13Slide Number 14Slide Number 15Slide Number 16Moisture 101Moisture 101Slide Number 20Slide Number 21Moisture 101Moisture 101Hydrostatic PressureSlide Number 25Hydrostatic PressureCapillary ActionCapillary ActionCapillary ActionVapor DiffusionVapor DiffusionSlide Number 32Slide Number 33Slide Number 35Slide Number 36Vapor RetarderVapor DiffusionVapor DiffusionVapor DiffusionSlide Number 41Slide Number 42Slide Number 44Slide Number 45Slide Number 46Slide Number 47Slide Number 48Slide Number 49Slide Number 50Slide Number 51Slide Number 52Slide Number 53Slide Number 54Slide Number 55Slide Number 56Slide Number 57