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Page 1: Athens vs Sparta - Debate Notes

The weak and feeble newborn infants were to die by putting them in a chasm and the strong and healthy ones survived and if the weak and feeble infants weren’t put to death they most likely became slaves. When a child was born, he or she was checked out by a council of advisors. They would look for physical imperfections on the baby. If they found any serious ones then they would take the child and leave him in the woods or the mountains.

Athens attempted to have an open market like the ones we have in the U.S. today. Spartans told their citizens that they weren't allowed to trade this is terrible for economic growth this causes shortages of food and water Sparta is not near water and if stealing’s the only option at some point one country bigger than Sparta will go in war with Sparta. Since Sparta had no open market in was not as advanced and rich as Athens.

We remember Athens more than we do Sparta Athens is the reason we have some of the best philosophy and why we have Democracy and Athens thought of more modern ideas than Sparta if Athens didn’t focus on knowledge and instead trained all day like Sparta our present time would have been quite a bit different and worse. Sparta is also important in history but Athens is needed in history because it’s also very vital in history.

Athens used its knowledge to create its own navy it was one of the best navy’s of ancient time the navy was created a generation after the establishment of democracy Athens created a fleet the fleet was made up of triremes, wooden warships that carried 170 rowers manning three banks of oars. The ships were 100-120 feet long and about 20 feet wide. At her peak, Athens had a fleet of 400 ships, a force requiring close to 80,000 men.

After the Peloponnesian War, the Spartans set up an oligarchy in Athens, which was called the Thirty. It was short-lived, and democracy was restored. And due to an ill-conceived Spartan foreign policy, Athens was able to recover. At the end of 404 BC, the democrats suddenly seized Piraeus. The democrats and oligarchs started a civil war, which lasted until September 403 BC, when the Spartan king Pausanias intervened and restored democracy.

In Sparta, boys were taken away from their parents at age 7. They lived a harsh and often brutal life in the soldiers barracks. Younger children were beaten by older children who started fights. Children were often were whipped in front of groups of other Spartans, including their parents, but they were not allowed to cry out in pain. Girls went to school too, to learn how to fight. They lived at home during training. Their training was not as harsh and the boy's, but it was harsh enough. Children, during their training process, were given very little food. They were encouraged to steal food, instead. If caught stealing, they were beaten. Spartan children learned to be cunning, to lie, to cheat, to steal, and how to get away with it! As adults, Spartan men did not live with their families. They visited their families, but men lived in the soldiers' barracks.