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Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services Division of Policy Development
4822 Madison Yards Way, 2nd Floor
PO Box 8366 Madison WI 53708-8366
Phone: 608-266-2112
Web: http://dsps.wi.gov
Email: dsps@wisconsin.gov
Tony Evers, Governor
Dawn B. Crim, Secretary
VIRTUAL/TELECONFERENCE
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SECTION
EXAMINING BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS,
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, DESIGNERS, AND
PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYORS
Virtual, 4822 Madison Yards Way, Madison
Contact: Adam Barr (608) 266-2112
October 6, 2021
The following agenda describes the issues that the Board plans to consider at the meeting. At the
time of the meeting, items may be removed from the agenda. Please consult the meeting minutes
for a record of the actions of the Board.
AGENDA
1:00 P.M.
OPEN SESSION – CALL TO ORDER – ROLL CALL
A. Adoption of Agenda (1-3)
B. Approval of Minutes of April 14, 2021 (4-6)
C. Reminders: Conflicts of Interest, Scheduling Concerns
D. Introductions, Announcements and Recognition
E. Administrative Matters
1) Department, Staff and Board Updates
2) Board Members – Term Expiration Dates
a. Cotharn, Kristine A. – 7/1/2021
b. Hook, Steven J. – 7/1/2014
c. Linck, Karl L. – 7/1/2025
d. Scholl, Colleen M. – 7/1/2023
F. Administrative Rule Matters – Discussion and Consideration (7-9) 1) Pending or Possible Rulemaking Projects
G. Credentialing Matters – Discussion and Consideration (10) 1) Licenses Issued Since Last Meeting
2) Licensure Application Denials
H. Speaking Engagements, Travel, or Public Relation Requests, and Reports –
Discussion and Consideration (11) 1) Travel Report: NCEES 2021 Annual Meeting – August 19-20, 2021
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I. Discussion and Consideration of Items Added After Preparation of Agenda:
1) Introductions, Announcements and Recognition
2) Administrative Matters
3) Election of Officers
4) Appointment of Liaisons and Alternates
5) Delegation of Authorities
6) Education and Examination Matters
7) Credentialing Matters
8) Practice Matters
9) Legislative and Policy Matters
10) Administrative Rule Matters
11) Liaison Reports
12) Board Liaison Training and Appointment of Mentors
13) Informational Items
14) Division of Legal Services and Compliance (DLSC) Matters
15) Presentations of Petitions for Summary Suspension
16) Petitions for Designation of Hearing Examiner
17) Presentation of Stipulations, Final Decisions and Orders
18) Presentation of Proposed Final Decisions and Orders
19) Presentation of Interim Orders
20) Petitions for Re-Hearing
21) Petitions for Assessments
22) Petitions to Vacate Orders
23) Requests for Disciplinary Proceeding Presentations
24) Motions
25) Petitions
26) Appearances from Requests Received or Renewed
27) Speaking Engagements, Travel, or Public Relation Requests, and Reports
J. Public Comments
CONVENE TO CLOSED SESSION to deliberate on cases following hearing (s. 19.85(1)(a),
Stats.); to consider licensure or certification of individuals (s. 19.85(1)(b), Stats.); to
consider closing disciplinary investigations with administrative warnings (ss. 19.85(1)(b),
and 440.205, Stats.); to consider individual histories or disciplinary data (s. 19.85(1)(f),
Stats.); and to confer with legal counsel (s. 19.85(1)(g), Stats.).
K. Deliberation on DLSC Matters
1) Proposed Stipulations, Final Decisions and Orders
a. 17 ENG 009 – Conor F. Nelan (12-19)
b. 19 ENG 004 – Dave R. Wall (20-26)
c. 19 ENG 024 – Ali Abolhassani, Storage Rack Engineering, Inc. (27-33)
d. 20 ENG 004 – Cushing Terrell (34-39)
2) Administrative Warnings
a. 19 ENG 019 – M.L.D. (40-41)
b. 20 ENG 002 – V.M.C. (42-43)
c. 20 ENG 009 – J.A.L. (44-45)
d. 20 ENG 012 – H.W. (46-47)
e. 21 ENG 002 – J.E.W. (48-50)
f. 21 ENG 003 – H.A.D. (51-52)
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3) Case Closings
a. 20 ENG 004 – R.A.A. (53-56)
L. Deliberation of Items Added After Preparation of the Agenda
1) Education and Examination Matters
2) Credentialing Matters
3) DLSC Matters
4) Monitoring Matters
5) Professional Assistance Procedure (PAP) Matters
6) Petitions for Summary Suspensions
7) Petitions for Designation of Hearing Examiner
8) Proposed Stipulations, Final Decisions and Orders
9) Proposed Interim Orders
10) Administrative Warnings
11) Review of Administrative Warnings
12) Proposed Final Decisions and Orders
13) Matters Relating to Costs/Orders Fixing Costs
14) Case Closings
15) Board Liaison Training
16) Petitions for Assessments and Evaluations
17) Petitions to Vacate Orders
18) Remedial Education Cases
19) Motions
20) Petitions for Re-Hearing
21) Appearances from Requests Received or Renewed
M. Consulting with Legal Counsel
RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING CLOSED SESSION
N. Vote on Items Considered or Deliberated Upon in Closed Session if Voting is Appropriate
O. Open Session Items Noticed Above Not Completed in the Initial Open Session
ADJOURNMENT
NEXT MEETING: TO BE DETERMINED (2022)
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MEETINGS AND HEARINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND MAY BE CANCELLED
WITHOUT NOTICE.
Times listed for meeting items are approximate and depend on the length of discussion and voting. All
meetings are held at 4822 Madison Yards Way, Madison, Wisconsin, unless otherwise noted. In order to
confirm a meeting or to request a complete copy of the board’s agenda, please call the listed contact person.
The board may also consider materials or items filed after the transmission of this notice. Times listed for
the commencement of disciplinary hearings may be changed by the examiner for the convenience of the
parties. Requests for interpreter services for the deaf or hard of hearing, or other accommodations, are
considered upon request by contacting the Affirmative Action Officer, 608-266-2112, or the Meeting Staff
at 608-266-5439.
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Virtual/Teleconference
Professional Engineer Section
Meeting Minutes
April 14, 2021
Page 1 of 3
VIRTUAL/TELECONFERENCE
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SECTION
OF THE EXAMINING BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS,
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, DESIGNERS AND PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYORS
MEETING MINUTES
APRIL 14, 2021
PRESENT: Kristine Cotharn, Steven Hook, Karl Linck, Colleen Scholl
STAFF: Adam Barr, Executive Director; Jon Derenne, Legal Counsel; Kevyn Radcliffe,
Administrative Rules Coordinator; Megan Glaeser, Bureau Assistant.; and other
Department staff
CALL TO ORDER
Kristine Cotharn, Chairperson, called the meeting to order at 1:02 p.m. A quorum was confirmed with
four (4) members present.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
MOTION: Colleen Scholl moved, seconded by Karl Linck, to adopt the Agenda as
published. Motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MARCH 26, 2021
MOTION: Steven Hook moved, seconded by Colleen Scholl, to approve the Minutes of
March 26, 2021 as published. Motion carried unanimously.
SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS, TRAVEL, OR PUBLIC RELATION REQUESTS, AND
REPORTS
NCEES 2021 Annual Meeting
MOTION: Karl Linck moved, seconded by Steven Hook, to designate Colleen Scholl, as the
Board’s delegate, to attend the NCEES 2021 Annual Meeting on August 19-20,
2021 in New Orleans. Motion carried unanimously.
CLOSED SESSION
MOTION: Steven Hook moved, seconded by Colleen Scholl, to convene to closed session to
deliberate on cases following hearing (s. 19.85(1)(a), Stats.); to consider licensure
or certification of individuals (s. 19.85(1)(b), Stats.); to consider closing
disciplinary investigations with administrative warnings (ss. 19.85 (1)(b), and
440.205, Stats.); to consider individual histories or disciplinary data (s. 19.85 (1)(f),
Stats.); and to confer with legal counsel (s. 19.85(1)(g), Stats.). Kristine Cotharn,
Chairperson, read the language of the motion. The vote of each member was
ascertained by voice vote. Roll Call Vote: Kristine Cotharn-yes; Steven Hook-yes;
Karl Linck-yes; and Colleen Scholl-yes. Motion carried unanimously.
The Section convened into Closed Session at 1:26 p.m.
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Virtual/Teleconference
Professional Engineer Section
Meeting Minutes
April 14, 2021
Page 2 of 3
CREDENTIALING MATTERS
Application Review
Frank Kastelic
MOTION: Steven Hook moved, seconded by Karl Linck, to approve the Professional
Engineer Renewal application of Frank Kastelic, once all requirements are met.
Motion carried unanimously.
DELIBERATION ON DLSC MATTERS
Stipulations, Final Decisions and Orders
19 ENG 006 – Mark A. Maederer
MOTION: Karl Linck moved, seconded by Steven Hook, to adopt the Findings of Fact,
Conclusions of Law and Order in the matter of disciplinary proceedings against
Mark A. Maederer, DLSC Case Number 19 ENG 006. Motion carried
unanimously.
19 ENG 018 – A2H Inc.
MOTION: Karl Linck moved, seconded by Colleen Scholl, to adopt the Findings of Fact,
Conclusions of Law and Order in the matter of disciplinary proceedings against
A2H Inc., DLSC Case Number 19 ENG 018. Motion carried unanimously.
Case Closings
MOTION: Colleen Scholl moved, seconded by Karl Linck, to issue an Administrative
Warning in the matter of the following cases:
1. 19 ENG 006 – T.C.E.I. – No Violation
2. 19 ENG 018 – L.M. – Prosecutorial Discretion (P2)
Motion carried unanimously.
RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION
MOTION: Steven Hook moved, seconded by Karl Linck, to reconvene in Open Session.
Motion carried unanimously.
Open Session reconvened at 1:49 p.m.
VOTING ON ITEMS CONSIDERED OR DELIBERATED UPON IN CLOSED SESSION, IF
VOTING IS APPROPRIATE
MOTION: Steven Hook moved, seconded by Colleen Scholl, to affirm all motions made and
votes taken in closed session. Motion carried unanimously.
(Be advised that any recusals or abstentions reflected in the closed session motions stand for the
purposes of the affirmation vote.)
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Professional Engineer Section
Meeting Minutes
April 14, 2021
Page 3 of 3
OPEN SESSION ITEMS NOTICED ABOVE NOT COMPLETED IN THE INITIAL OPEN
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Colleen Scholl moved, seconded by Steven Hook, to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried unanimously.
The meeting adjourned at 1:51 p.m.
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State of Wisconsin Department of Safety & Professional Services
Revised 03/2021
AGENDA REQUEST FORM
1) Name and title of person submitting the request: Sofia Anderson – Administrative Rules Coordinator
2) Date when request submitted: 09/23/2021 Items will be considered late if submitted after 12:00 p.m. on the deadline date which is 8 business days before the meeting
3) Name of Board, Committee, Council, Sections: Engineer Section of Architects, Landscape Architects, Professional Engineers, Designers, and Professional Land Surveyors Examining Board 4) Meeting Date: October 6, 2021
5) Attachments:
Yes No
6) How should the item be titled on the agenda page? Administrative Rules Matters – Discussion and Consideration
1. Pending and Possible Rulemaking Projects
7) Place Item in:
Open Session Closed Session
8) Is an appearance before the Board being scheduled? (If yes, please complete Appearance Request for Non-DSPS Staff)
Yes No
9) Name of Case Advisor(s), if required: N/A
10) Describe the issue and action that should be addressed: Attachments:
1. October 2021 Engineer Section report.
11) Authorization
09/23/2021 Signature of person making this request Date Supervisor (if required) Date Executive Director signature (indicates approval to add post agenda deadline item to agenda) Date Directions for including supporting documents: 1. This form should be attached to any documents submitted to the agenda. 2. Post Agenda Deadline items must be authorized by a Supervisor and the Policy Development Executive Director. 3. If necessary, provide original documents needing Board Chairperson signature to the Bureau Assistant prior to the start of a meeting.
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Engineer Section of the A-E Examining Board Rule Projects (updated 09/29/21)
Clearinghouse Rule Number Scope # Scope Expiration
Code Chapter Affected
Relating clause/ Summary Current Stage Next Step
21-020 080-19 2/19/2022 A-E 2
General requirements and procedures. Amendments to ensure requirements are current with standards of practice and consistent with Statutes. Update to ensure compliance with 2017 Act 108.
Signed final rule draft, legislative report, and EIA were sent to Governor’s office on 9/20/21.
Once we receive the Governor’s approval, the final rule draft and legislative report will be sent to the chief clerks of both houses of the Legislature.
21-019 082-19 2/19/2022 A-E 8
Professional Conduct Update to ensure compliance with 2017 Act 108.
Signed final rule draft, legislative report, and EIA were sent to Governor’s office on 9/20/21.
Once we receive the Governor’s approval, the final rule draft and legislative report will be sent to the chief clerks of both houses of the Legislature.
A-E 4 and 13
Engineer in training credential. Provide more clarity as to the required education and review acceptable credentialing agencies for continuing education.
Scope was drafted and is ready to be presented at the October meeting.
If approved by the board at the October meeting, the Scope will be submitted to the Governor’s office for approval.
A-E 2, 7, and 8
Clarification on definitions of seal and stamps, requirements for electronic signatures, and clean up redundant words or sentences.
Scope was drafted and is ready to be presented at the October meeting.
If approved by the board at the October meeting, the Scope will be submitted to the Governor’s office for approval.
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Engineer Section of the A-E Examining Board
20-064 036-20 11/11/2022 A-E 1 to 13
Retired Credential Status. Establish retired credential status in compliance with 2019 Act 94.
Rule effective 6/1/2021
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AGENDA REQUEST FORM 1) Name and Title of Person Submitting the Request:
Erin Doyle – LPPA – DPCP
2) Date When Request Submitted:
09/23/2021 Items will be considered late if submitted after 12:00 p.m. on the deadline date which is 8 business days before the meeting
3) Name of Board, Committee, Council, Sections: Engineer Section
4) Meeting Date: 10/06/2021
5) Attachments: Yes
No
6) How should the item be titled on the agenda page?
Licenses granted since last meeting April 14th 2021
7) Place Item in: Open Session
Closed Session
8) Is an appearance before the Board being scheduled?
Yes (Fill out Board Appearance Request)
No
9) Name of Case Advisor(s), if required:
10) Describe the issue and action that should be addressed: Licenses granted since last meeting 04.14.2021:
PROFESSION NAME METHOD DESCRIPTION COUNT Engineer In Training (500) Original Application - Never Licensed Before 121
Professional Engineer (6) By Comity 8 Professional Engineer (6) By Comity - NCEES 48 Professional Engineer (6) Original Application - Never Licensed Before 153
Professional Engineer (6) OLAS-PE-COMITYNCEES 296
11) Authorization Signature of person making this request Date
Erin Doyle 09/23/2021
Supervisor (if required) Date
Executive Director signature (indicates approval to add post agenda deadline item to agenda) Date
Directions for including supporting documents: 1. This form should be attached to any documents submitted to the agenda. 2. Post Agenda Deadline items must be authorized by a Supervisor and the Policy Development Executive Director. 3. If necessary, provide original documents needing Board Chairperson signature to the Bureau Assistant prior to the start of a meeting.
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State of Wisconsin Department of Safety & Professional Services
Revised 03/2021
AGENDA REQUEST FORM 1) Name and title of person submitting the request:
Megan Glaeser, Bureau Assistant
2) Date when request submitted:
19 March 2021
Items will be considered late if submitted after 12:00 p.m. on the deadline date which is 8 business days before the meeting
3) Name of Board, Committee, Council, Sections:
Professional Engineer Section
4) Meeting Date:
6 October 2021
5) Attachments:
Yes
No
6) How should the item be titled on the agenda page?
Speaking Engagements, Travel, or Public Relation Requests, and Reports Travel Report: NCEES 2021 Annual Meeting
7) Place Item in:
Open Session
Closed Session
8) Is an appearance before the Board being scheduled? (If yes, please complete Appearance Request for Non-DSPS Staff)
Yes
No
9) Name of Case Advisor(s), if required:
10) Describe the issue and action that should be addressed:
NCEES 2021 Annual Meeting Travel Report from Colleen Scholl
11) Authorization
Megan Glaeser 19 March 2021
Signature of person making this request Date
Supervisor (if required) Date
Executive Director signature (indicates approval to add post agenda deadline item to agenda) Date
Directions for including supporting documents: 1. This form should be attached to any documents submitted to the agenda. 2. Post Agenda Deadline items must be authorized by a Supervisor and the Policy Development Executive Director. 3. If necessary, provide original documents needing Board Chairperson signature to the Bureau Assistant prior to the start of a meeting.
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