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The Accounts of Eros in the "Symposium"

The word love carries with it many, many different interpretations. In modern day, our views on what is appropriate love is much different from the views from the time of Socrates and Plato. To them love was eros, a direct translation of th

e word love.However, the word itself wasn't the only thing that was different about love. InPlato's "Symposium", there is a celebration for Agathon. He had just won a dramatic contest in Athens, Greece two nights ago. It is customary to drink much wine at these gatherings, however, every one present is too weak from the night before. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. xiii) So a proposition is made, by Phaedrus, to properly give praise to the god Eros, and speak on the topic of love. It was theiropinion that no poet has yet been able to properly do so. (Nehamas & Woodruff,pg. 7) There were a total of seven accounts given in praise of eros, by seven different people who are present at the party. Of these accounts, the one that made the most sense was the speech of Socrates when he quotes Diotima. This accountis practical, and shows love not as a heavenly creature, but as a mortal being,

where we can interact with him. It also has answers that most of the other accounts could not even question. This is what stands the speech of Socrates and Diotima apart from most of the others. But, there were two other speeches that werealso impressive and brought about points that Socrates did not make. These accounts were given by Aristophanes and Agathon. Through these three speeches, we can get a good picture of what eros is. Starting with the most complete account: Socrates and Diotima; and moving through Aristophanes and then Agathon, this paper will show why these accounts are superior, and why Socrates' makes the most sense.After Agathon's speech, it was Socrates' turn to present his account of eros. But before he does, he tells Agathon that his speech was marvelous and that at onetime, Socrates also believed in what Agathon believed. That was until a womennamed Diotima taught him the real truth in eros. It is however, believed, that S

ocrates made up the character of Diotima, the reason, though, is unknown. In spite of this, Socrates gives a remarkable speech that is truly complete. One of the first misconceptions among all the speakers was the age of the god Love. Manybelieved him to the oldest of the gods, thus making him ancient. Diotima knows this is not true. She speaks of the way Love was conceived, a clever scheme by agod to escape her misfortunes. It seems the goddess of poverty, Penia laid downbeside Poros and became pregnant with Love (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.48) This makes Love unique. Love is good, though, because he is a lover of wisdom, that is, he pursues the notion of philosophy. But, he is in between wisdom and ignorance (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 49), according to Diotima, which is much different an account from the other speakers. Phaedrus had placed Love at the top of all gods,describing ways in which Love "breathes might into some of the heroes," (Nehamas

& Woodruff, pg. 10). This is untrue. However, Diotima speaks of ways in which love helps human beings. This happens when the love for things like sports or poetry helps a person create something from nothing. Love is a word used to describe the whole, where there are special parts of love used to describe specific passions and possessions. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 51). And love is wanting to posses the good forever (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 52) Finally we see the main pointsin Diotima's argument when she accurately describes the real purpose of love. Itis almost like a natural instinct. All animals, including humans, have a need to reproduce. The real purpose in love is giving birth in beauty, whether in bodyor soul (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.53). This means that the pregnant person causesthe baby, or new born idea if the birth resulted from the soul, to be beautifulbecause all new borns are beautiful and this is as close as a mortal may get toimmortality. By producing offspring, the human being continues life forever. By

this, we see what it is that love wants as well. And that is reproduction and birth in beauty (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 53) to continue the love, and retain possessions that have been acquired through the good.



Diotima had briefly referred to aspects in her story that closely resembled theaccount of Aristophanes. Aristophanes also gave a vivid account that had broughtup arguments that were very interesting. They were somewhat different from Diotima's, but nonetheless, they were good.Aristophanes believed in human nature. No one else had spoke of this. To Aristophanes, there were three kinds of human beings. To the others, there were only two kinds (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 25) Aristophanes described the way humans were.

They were completely round, spherical, had four hands and four legs, two facesand two sets of reproductive organs. The three kinds were male and male; femaleand female; and a special kind of mix of male and female (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 25) These being presumable were too out of control. The gods needed to containthem in order to be served by them. So Zeus had split each human into two halves, making two distinct people (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 26) Now, each person hada feeling that they were incomplete. They longed for their other half. This is their source, and now ours, for desire to love. They spent their lives searchingfor that other person to complete the circle. Hence, love is born into every human being to go find their other half, this is our nature (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). This idea helps Aristophanes describe the male/female love, because to him, it is of the lowest type of love. But for modern society, it helps describe t

he male/male and female/female love. This idea makes sense to the members of theparty. It truly explains why men would love women, and not just keep them to procreate. When the two halves find each other, it is said that something miraculous happens. They fall in love, and never wish to be separated again. It is almost like they become a single person again. Those men that were split from anotherman, according to Aristophanes, are the most manly in their nature (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). He says that he can prove it because those are the boys that are politicians (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 28) However, this part of Aristophanes argument has no real proff behind it. There is no way of measuring human nature,and so, there is no way of telling which type of human being each boy descendedfrom, whether it be a male to male relationship, or a male to female relationship. This problem in Aristophanes argument brings about another oversight. He claims these men have no interest in marriage and reproduction (Nehamas & Woodruff,

pg. 28) This however, would go against what is good. It is good to produce offspring, we see this in Diotima's account, but for Aristophanes, this does not seem to be a case of good or bad. Aristophanes definition of Love is that it is thename we give for our pursuit of wholeness with our other halves. It is our desire to be complete (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 29). This is a very accurate statement, in light of what Aristophanes is arguing for. This is very much different, however, then the characteristics Agathon gives to Love. Agathon does not think that there is a single idea for love, but that it encompasses many related characteristics.As Agathon first speaks, he wishes to celebrate the gods, not congratulate mankind as his predecessors have done (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 32) Agathon states that Love, is the youngest of all the gods. To defend this, he claims that Love isalways within young people and is one of them. Therefore, he stays young forever. The proof here is that the violent deeds done in the past were before Love was created, and taken his throne of king of the gods (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 33). Love's character was noble and moral. He contained four virtuous characteristics: justice, moderation, bravery and wisdom (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 34). In justice, Love could not be harmed by violence, and this was further proof of his age and his position as king of the gods. Love was moderate in that he took powerover pleasure. By this, Love had power over pleasure, because the greatest of all pleasure was love (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35). In other words, Love was a fitting king, according to Agathon. In bravery, Love had a hold on everyone, gods and humans alike. Bravery is related to power, and with this hold, Love is the bravest (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35). Of all four characteristics, the one that shows proof of Love's goodness towards humans. In wisdom, one can teach another, w

hatever the task may be. Love gives this wisdom, for it is a love for somethingthat allows us to learn from it, this is a technical skill that Love offers (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35) Agathon's account of Love is very good. He backs up his



claims with popular belief. But, what was right to them, may not seem correct to us, and this is a problem that arises with Agathon's speech.In the times of Socrates and Plato, eros was a much different word then it's translation: love. He have seen how love takes the shape of a god, and how it has influenced the evolution of human kind. In the "Symposium", Socrates gives the most sensible account of eros when he quotes Diotima , even though to this day, itis unclear whether Diotima was a fabrication to fit Socrates' needs when discus

sing love. The speech of Aristophanes was also worth noting, as he had brought up the point of human nature, the only speaker to do so. As well, Agathon had a very complete speech, he chose to describe the god Love in terms of his moral character and his virtues. These three accounts were the best of all that were offered. Socrates was the superior one to the other two, but nonetheless, the speeches of Aristophanes and Agathon were complete. Together, these three accounts form a very good picture of eros, one that shows every aspect of what eros truly is.

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anapolis, Indiana, 1989

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