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    Chapter 4

    Ref: P.M Ir. Dr Lariyah Mohd Sidek, UNITEN, 2009

  • What is a professional engineer?

    A Professional Engineer (Ir or P.Eng) is a person who

    is licensed to practice engineering in Malaysia after

    meeting all requirements of the law (eg; pass PI


  • 10 reasons for becoming Ir. / P.Eng:

    There are 4 categories:

    1. A legal necessity

    2. Improved employment security

    3. Better opportunities for advancement

    4. Personal satisfaction

  • 1. Legal Necessity

    If you ever want or need to become a consultant

    engineer, you must licensed as a Ir. or P.Eng

    Only Ir/P.Eng can sign and seal engineering

    document is that are submitted to a public and

    private clients

  • 2. Opportunities for Advancement

    Many companies encourage licensure and some even pay bonus for becoming Ir/P.Eng

    In education, more colleges are requiring a Ir/P.Eng license for engineering faculty or holding certain titles

    In many industry utility, and government positions, P.Eng is required for specified jobs or levels

    With the engineering profession now operating in an international environment, licensing may required to work in or for other countries.

  • 3. Personal Satisfaction

    Licensure in the mark of a professional. Ethical

    standard, continuing education, and professional

    competency are expected.

    Ir before or P.Eng after your name indicates you

    met the standard can be respected as a


  • 4. Improved Employment Security

    Restructuring, downsizing and outsourcing ARE REAL.

    A Ir/P.Eng license may make the difference in

    finding new employment

    Industry and utility exemptions are being eliminated

    in some jurisdictions.

    Continuing education is required for professional

    engineer (CPD)

  • Continuing Professional Development


    CPD is the planned acquisition of knowledge, experience and skill of personal qualities necessary for the execution of professional duties throughout the working life, which encompasses both technical and non-technical subject areas

    Why require CPD: Rapid advancement in latest techniques, new materials and state of the arc technology

  • CPD involves:

    Keeping up to date with the advances in the profession

    Developing a deeper knowledge in ones specialised area

    Broadening knowledge over the wider engineering spectrum

    Improving one general knowledge and life skill (management,

    finance and languages)

    Continuing Professional Development



    The Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) is currently in the process of introducing a policy on Continuing Professional Development (CPD) to further enhance professionalism among engineers and the scheme is expected to be fully implemented by 2006.

    The policy targets professional engineers with the possibility of extending to other grades of engineers. This effort by BEM is timely as engineering has become increasingly recognised as a field which is facing rapid changes in this new millennium.

    This will enable the local construction industry to instill and uphold a greater level of professionalism and professional expertise in view of globalisation and the challenges associated with it in the international services sector.

  • The policy is aimed to further improve and broaden the

    knowledge and skill of engineers in performing their duties

    in line with current practice and regulations

    The Institution of Engineers, Malaysia is well-placed to be

    an organisation capable of assisting BEM in the

    implementation of the CPD policy and programme



    Having Ir/P.Eng license is the BEST

    insurance policy and could affect

    your career.

    The time to start is NOW from

    STUDENT to P.Eng

  • Requirement for Graduate Engineer

    The recognized academic qualification for registration as a Graduate Engineer with BEM includes the following:

    An engineering degree accredited/ recognized by BEM available in an approved list maintained by BEM

    A pass in Part I & Part II of the Engineering Council Examination of United Kingdom or Part I & Part II of IEM/BEM Graduate Examination in any particular branch qualifications that is not accredited/recognized by BEM/IEM

  • Requirement for Professional Engineer

    Any candidate who applies for registration as Professional Engineer must:

    1. Be registered as Graduate Engineer with BEM; and

    2. Have satisfied the training requirements of BEM; and

    3. Have passes the Professional Interview (PI) and be elected as a Corporate Member of the Institution of Engineers Malaysia (IEM); and

    4. Have residing in Malaysia for a period of not less than six months immediately prior to the date of application

  • Route to P.Eng (Applicable to Engineer who register with BEM after 1 Jan 2005

    EngineeringEngineering CCouncilouncil

    Member (IEM)

    Masters in

    Engineering Council


    Engineering Degree

    Min 3 years


    Graduate Professional (normal route) Engineer

    (BEM) &

    Training record (Log


    Course attendance

    Interview (PI)

    IEM/BEM Part II

    Pass Graduate


    development Program


    Registration @


    Unrecognised Engineering



    Engineering (PDP) Min 6 years


    Training record

    Recognised Engineering

    Degree: Twinning/

    P.Eng. Registration @


    Off campus/Distance





    Course attendance


    Continuing education


    (Full Certificate) CPD







    Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg 7-10

  • Basic Training Requirements New


    The need for NEW Scheme, WHY???

    According to BEM announcement (Feb 1998) new

    training requirements were required due to the

    following 2 main reason:

    1. To safe guard the profession and for quality

    assurance since Engineering students can obtain their

    degrees through various way (approved twinning

    programs, part time courses and distance learning


    2. A need to raise the standard of P.Eng to prepare

    them for global competition

  • The new requirements include:

    1. Extended training period

    2. Compulsory courses attendance

    3. Professional Development Program (PDP)

    4. Continuing engineering education program in line with global development

    The Professional Interview (PI) which comprises an oral interview and essay writing remains unchanged. The revised training requirements are listed in Table 1.

    Basic Training Requirements New


  • Table 1: Revised training requirement

    for Graduate Engineer

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    approvedapproved byby BEMBEM ssuchuch aass IIEMEM

    (PDP)(PDP) llkk ii ii

    Engineering management practice 12 hours

    Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10

    Training Activity Graduates from

    Accredited Programs

    Graduates from Approved

    Twinning, Part-Time, Distance

    Learning Programs

    Minimum working experience 3 years 6 years

    General training linking engineering 2 years (min.) 3 years (min.)

    concepts to practical Professional career development

    training, e.g. skills awareness, project

    management, logical approach, team

    work, responsibility, etc.

    1 years (min.) 3 years (min.)

    Satisfactory attendance at courses

    conducted by BEM or any institutions

    approved by BEM such as IEM

    Code of ethics 12 hours

    Health & safety, relevant by laws/regulations 12 hours

    Topics related to engineering discipline 24 hours

    Professional Development Program

    (PDP) e.g. talks, seminars, society

    meeting and community services (1

    unit = 1 hour participation, up to 4


    30 units 45 units

    Continuing education program - 24 days

    Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg 7-10

  • Example of CPD

  • Mandatory Training: General Structure

    Same discipline

    least once a year

    Training Supervised by a registered Professional Engineer

    Mentor (in the same discipline) selected by the Graduate Engineer or IEM

    Within the same organisation Use IEM Logbook regularly

    Meet Mentor regularly for

    discussion/guidance/certification of

    Graduates work at quarterly intervals

    Logbook to be endorsed by IEM at least one a year

    Graduate Engineer Registered with BEM

    Organisation with PE Organisation without PE

    Certification of Graduates work


    Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg 7-10

  • Professional Engineer Examination

    Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10

    Professional Interview (PI)

    Graduate Engineer Registered with BEM

    Submit forms IEM/P1(1) & IEM/P1 (2) IEM

    MIEM Registration @ IEM

    P. E