7774 COMMONS DEBAn;$ M:a.rek 1. 19¥1

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JE"gll.rh) Mt. CeUrfltttt: I IIJk. Madam Spcilker, that tbe rem.11inin8

q~,teitiont be allo~od lo atand.

M...U• Spn lt.trl Shall the tCl'IUiillinc qucstiofl11 it:tnd'!

Some hoa. M,_krt: Agrcod.

M,. GM4oo T...,.rt (RN -~ Mtdam Speaker. for....,. lilht ftiOOa' I ha" betft ukUIC tbt p~.rlia~wy ~Ary wbctilcor .-ecould .,te•• us.u ;o~ No. ill . 11 is a fttJ .......... 4..atioft •• tk llftX . -. the ~ hi laaYilt$ 10 deal .-ith fb ckl'icll (i ........ f'O"Iioft: it has lO llo • hh •• upcnchture of p~blk fu.ads. COilld tbc: ~rtQmmury :ICW:ftU')" pkaM afttwet q.atao. No. Ill beCU.tSC ic W bcca 411the- Onkt hpcr ti~ May I. 19801

Mt. Celk•Ht: r.hd;am Spc;~ke:r, I have Ji'feo tbr haft. member my •ss.ut"an« ttlat I will be tryiq to gtt this amwcr lJI bled ·~ .won ti poui ble.

(;QVERNMEN'I' ORDERS

THE CON!,TJTlll 'ION

a CSOUJl'IO:O. IU!¥f'ECTING CONSnTUTION ACT. 1911 I

The I lo!M m11rncd deblte oo the motion of ~fr. Cbtidm. ~cd by Mr. Robttu.. ftW an Addrt5S to Her Majesty the Qu«• ra.peains I he Con~liun1oll of C..rwb.

AIMS o. lhc •mc-.dmeol of Mr Epp.. ~by Mr. Ba\:e:r (Nqtu.Cark1on)-That the~ be UKIICkd ia Sdlc:d•k 8 ot ttw propot.C'4 tnoluhoa by ddetir;a Clauw -46, •ad b)' Nlli., all IIC"ClQ,Mf)' cha.,u to the Sdtcd•k COft:SieQIKIIlill ........

Mt. S. J . Kordal!M.I ( l\b t:kra:dt): Mt. $peak«. • -Me I tOK 10 tptak l~ut Tt.uraday eft-nintc :u tai.lle o'doclt, I jun M.d 11 few MOm.ciiU& In whk:h to make my i.n.trodii««Y remarks. Thcn=rl)ft. I V~UI ~d oow • ·ltho.t mriewint the commcnu I n1adc o~tthl*t dmc b«aY~ I bfi\'C much grwnd to covet.

I hi~~ b«a a ~ (If( tU Hoousc rcw- lht post 13 yon :aflllf ncry cby bdorc tile ,.tarK is ad.-Ktcd «o the plkcy, • c riw i• Ollt ptKa and beJia oar prooecdi.cp .-Jtll a F"flt'· Tllal pn;yct • i..tialtJ'fC q/ttlc spirit d ~r CIUIU:lltry: &unil .,... we have. reooa-llrd t"c lllprcml:lcy of God in Quuda ud tk: nhK tM f~mily tuu in our soc;iety ne ~ Cotlstitll• lion-lf 1t il to be :a new ~311111.tioo. and I '"' Ulld this is the ~nnil'lll rOf the fututc- indkatt$ the d1r«tioft this country it aolna to take i!l not one whut the supra1:mey of God will be reoosnl:zcd. In other words. t.he"' ill no rtl'e.rence to that SUpt"CmAC)o

T'ih-o CMhct di&)' tbe hon. mc:mbt:r rot Buroaby (~fl. Robin· son) tried tO Cltl)lllln why h~ b supporting the liberal xovern.~ nw:nt, thoO &.<l'len'lrntnl of the day. wiii)(Xlt reference to tbc IIIIPI'\!InltC)' or Ood. l-Ie lll.id lblll • ·ben Lhe Diefcnb.lkcr biU or riJ)Iu ._.,. lnuochwcd in 1960. there was no rcJctcnce to lhl! iup~MaC')' or Ood., aDd wllcn it •·tnt to the c:ommiutt-. 1.1\at provitiofl was not in the bdJ. 1 q 5 11 member of t be 1-IQUJOe st tbat tlmr. 111d it • •• my pririlqc to be p!lrt of some of the commiute: ._11.. I ~..ow •ba.tlrAMpittd. l wisb to come'! the imp~ kft by the .... i'M6'abtr ror 8tmdb)1 t)UU it Wll J

libtntl ~ ol tbc HC*K • lto irutoduad ao amc.-dlhtft• •llkh tb'ad tor- tht pra.rabk to mduck. re(Q'U'ICC 10 Ood. 1'1lc LibmJ lllC'4hbm •f'llb'*d that $lalalldL h Wti irlfot• ..udon they t.ld ...,. W •P u1il that timlr. aod *' appbw:kd..

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I Wl"-1 to correct. thal enor Tbc '-on. member Aiel •~ lbOIIId dla Into hittory. The his:t~Wy is this. Tht: thtra mi~Cf of jw.ti«. Mr. l-t.ihon.. wa• conoemed :.bout the wordins ol tk prcumblc. 8«-ause it wiU so impott~tnt, he •~tltcd mcmbel'l (r\lm all 'ldd of tbeo Hou11e to patticipatc in d~ftlns dw wordina ol the bill. I looked up the rtr.:WIQC. A1 P"SC 7411 or HIJmtml (Of Au.\nl 2. 19b0, t he tben member fot EBSCJ( En~t. P•t~ l Martin, 1111ld t hiJ:

Flttl or ~ll.chl,.l' •lllt<!'d la tM \tilt l bll 1l.e Qnaclilll n..~ti(.n ;, I'Oul~hn ~ti<><lpll" ~thkll -~~ IIIUII~tmiK)' ~ (il>ll.

t-Ie .,.._, chatitbini the then ministc:r ol j ll:l1ice. l-Ie. lltatVII 1hn be had lcurnod. • ·hen the SUQ-Clltion wa& lirst made "" &OOOOd rca4ina. thll.t it wu ridiculed by tbc minitltr ol ju, ticc in hb .. wal ll'llllner or playlt~& politiC~'. Mr. Fuhon replied:

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In ot~ wordt. he . .. , not oppos.i_., indudiJII: the s:upr~'l cy tJl God in the prea.lllble. At pat;t 590 fJI the eod'Witl« ttf1C1W1 (011 1960, be •an.ttd to male it dear tkt\ k lud • objtttbl .0 illdlldiGI • rdUUC!t' 10 the ApremaC'Y ol God. I k ~id: I'- "..,_. ...... -UI!f• •,...,....

ra Gtbc:f w-otd&, thctc wu •n imitatioa f~Gm tbt chait~MJI to all m<mben 10 wnte: Otilt a pn:ambk. He ~:at.:d thou all s~~.g~adoes ~Jd be ~rtd at Ute lime the prumbk w ... drafted. ()& the Amt pe.p. Mr. Marlill isqU<JUd ~"')'if'll(. lt -11!4 liJIIIC lh41thl ,,,._~o,., .,tilt mi11~tlo..l a (l)lllfllio- toe- • tor•ll'llfd Ill CO(!Mfll• "41tlo-. liiNifl'IIO"" w,n a •ltt o••

Ma.tdt 1. 1911 COM\.fONS DEBATES 1115

Lc1 there be no m~al:e a.botlt the lrncnt.on o( Mr. Fulton.. Huoid; 0uf Otpoii\MJiol 10o,uoll Uf 10 do,~~ jolb loo: "'"' !111 .... 1 ~~ bllillte ~1\0a:n 1&.~~" 1'~1•!1• o( v~e .. llill lk:i•'t b«n ~•.,!al

Thnl thou Id tbrify t he n:~auct. Btc-Juse of the iml'(lftancc or the qutlill<ln, I ~le • wdi.ng w:u to!)(: .well t.h.at lt ~Id cnootn· llllU the views otan the purti~ i.n the: 1-lowe orCo•nmons.

Tbcrc ts al1111hcr point l h3t .sbcMakl be m•uk with rcprd to whc11 tiM bill • u ja OOC'I'Imitt«- We mu~ ror.mctn~ th:at the n.ln baYc clwltcd sinoe that ci.ne. Wbtft MCOIMt tadinc of tile .-u wu bc:ma co.sidtred. k wu (I()Qwclcrcd u a nu.uu ot prlllldplc: mn'l'lbns YOtcd 011 a IAoiHcr ol ,.;.cipk. Tllc:re W'&.S •runillliOIIa CIOftSeM ill the. fioue at tMI WM. No OM objccud lO abc • ·ay the bill ..-u-ordcd •IICII i1 wu tcftl to committee. Any cha"ttt thl.t arne abovt • oere •it• lhc OOfiCIJm:noe of tbc: ptmmf:Jit..

A larac KC:tiotl of our $0Ckty i5. oow appnrcntly bcina dWC$arded, M~&n)' people are inspired by tbu rc.liJ,iou' uaining tJtey roc:dvcd whM they ~'ere sro•cinl up, Men.y nlll t u m tu reli~lon In Ol'der t() in~t il in che.ir ramilitll thc bl:ller 1nd moral l'ib10 they f\.oel ncoe:s5ary,

I c11nnot hcfp btll think lhal tbc Prin10 Ml11l•cer (Mr. Trude~~u) rtoeivc» hi• inspi!'4tio.l 11'hllt triiYCihftl 10 atMist ~ntriu hk:c Chin~ and Ru~. Tbcn(o!"t;, (uhuc ftmen~t~$ wiJI 1:101 have: tile same recopjtioo ol tile nl...u •e bve: hdd in tht PfiJot. I all"! $UJC dtn lbally mc:mbcn opp»ite bdin~ tkft •JtouW be a rcfttmt:c lo tk Wfl'cmety of ()od bu.t III"C fl'cpltcd eo CO abad with c.Q CoaWt•U. i• ordcf eo Atilf) .,_ Nft._ cto.

ThJs C.stit•tion is incompkw. •UCC.ratc:, aiMI dot&*" to I• the dlroc:ti<lll tbil eou.ntry de$ite$. Tllia tbould be Mrreded before ch.lt l'dOtutiofl il dcaJt • ·ith by thl• l•.trll•n~l . We thou Id IW)II be burdened .,.,i~h a dadline &imP')' boc':111!Se the Prime Mlninet bas hit o.,.·n pcnona.l de.tdlino. If • ·e «mlinuc in thi& dlrcotlon, to wbom wiiJ we pra.y? 111e Prhne Minis.lc:r? Will ho be fuprc:mc:1 tr """~ rem<•~e rcfert.n<>e tu lht sup~nuoy (1( Ood, chc:rc ~~ onty one m:r.n 11t &he head o( thl• .:ounlf)' who i• •uprert~e.

Tbb sbould be • .-ery happy 01.-caslcm r.., 1tll CaAadlans. We arc in the mid~• or cot~Structina,. ~stitutioe. The foulld:ltion is briflllaid (or t'-c future. WheG pb:D•[na the CIIMI»Uuetiofl or • boelc. r«opitioo is ci\<ft to ab tk rua-irtnwe.ts. Tk ~lk lllb cenaia reqllinmall$ for tile llcek .. The ellll· chut I'IY'f W'ltllf a cauilt type of~ Y011 lt')' to~ date ~ withia the mcus aqibblc:. We ccnai.,, blw tlk JM&M ill 1.bis i:Muaoe.. We st.:.ld laal<c aU tt.e time Hut is IM!CCIM!tf. Why Jay chc rouoclatioc ia .N~C'b • ••r that ia wi11 mambtc wilhit1 • few )'Cats?

When bu1ldina 11 ramil}' hotm, 1f afltbc (amil)' reQuirctnCtl111 arc nul U•kcn into at'OOf.lnt, reg;udlcst ol ahe <lOSI of the ,Uf\I(Ui fC t he rnmil)' will 0001 he happy. 1 'hl$ I f lhe l:ind of ''' 11111ion · ·c nrc crc11tin~ ror rucurc Cun11di11nS. We llhuuld thcrcrote take into ncoount a.l ltbe rtquiremenl$.

I now W"all l to deal witb the pt"Orint:C~~;. On the queit.OO a( the u"lllltcr~~ol action ta.ken by tbc fcdctiLI ~crnmcnc. an

T1H O»tnluniO!t amcndift.l for~J~u la and the i~luJioo of I he \'idQ!rb rorn1•ll. two ptfl"•inca &re given ''ClO flOW"· We arc &oin& to bswc three differenl C:;IICIQI'kf of province in this oouncry by t he lime we arc lhtoti.Jh iJ we pr«i."Cd O~tlhe rres<nt lxl.si11.

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Fint or aiL &he two J)fO'Vint.~ that baYC tbe veto po-.·<r, Omario a11d Quc:b«-4c bs been dun way up until the Pf'CSall-fiNJI Q)fltiftiiC' to do 10. FM some ra~-• tbe&c peopk la th::at pan ol Cua..t. ~vc 1 spcdal clloke ia tile nvuc:r. That illouJcl 110t be eo~~tilrucd.

If we a:r~ 10 COibU.Ct 1 MW oomtin•t*. we U..kf remcwe lllac: incqualrtia:: rather. • <c are pu:tliiiJ ia JIU.tef i~ulii· tics. Fot uaqll&. there it the rcq•itm'lleftl ia !be ~ao power thu you ha'<c two Pf0'1'111ocs In the A.tblntic: re&ioo. aDd in wcstc:m Canada )~ rcqutrc two proviDCCS, tlle total plPuJa. tioo ol• bid! sho..td be whal? Fifty J'l(f ccct.

Tiu ... dty o( l<.c:J1,in11 ha• • populfuion which i3 almost twioc 1M1 of P.E.I., and yc:t l•.fl,..l, tm~ more strc:nglh t.ha 11 all the ptO\'ince ol SasltJuchoew-an. Whitt doe1 tbat do to poor l'~mk:r Bl:akc:I)C)'? lie ~.:annot join up whb II'IOther province, Manito­ba, if he wanu eo promote hi• ~illliun in tbc eounU'y. ,.,hi~h the Uben~l tovnnn•ent it onJy too gbd to pn:~mooce. Whc:re does tlqt put bim1 C.ll hoft. member$ not sec wby M k ~jc:('tin& the- padoace that I• Pfctellltcd1

Tbud'ore. we haYe tllne kwls ol pooiooc. I tbild: lWt a'*"lMS 10 a cutradon of tile ~ bocnw yow: c:an.nqt ~~ WltbcNt tK priot OOflktll o/ tJiat aun wbo Jet$ hi-.elf •P to be as s.pmnc u Oocl. God is 110 Aoo:Fr to be r~. Oftty 1.be Prink M1n.i,;1n Qft liug.cst tht titnoi.ng.. the: wontinJ: ot CI::IUI'1e, he Ns tbe retoiii'Oti oft~ • ·bole C!O\lrrtry to promote hi• ;deas. What )Ware dOll\& I• reM~rtin& to the casu·ackln or the pttwi~~CeJ. Th111 •bQIIId no• be ptrpctuatcd.

Wh.1t do OOn. mc:mbenll•lnk: chc: dtir.c:M or tbos.c provintc:tt arc ~oin.g. to think 111 ta.t f111urc:? Do they thinl they y,•iil be happy in lhi~ family whi<:h it Ctil lcd Ca~da'! forc-rcr 1nd 11 .:by, we witl be reminded of thul t~r<WiJioo, 11 .should cenainly be c:xdudtd lnll'l\ the Confthutioo ~·h.ich h:u now bc:w dr2ftcd.

(n this t'OIIItiUf .... lilt Ye Ud a liberal JOY«tuntl'lt ((W J.l ol the J:nt SO years

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Aa ..._ MH!kr: Thnk Qod.

Mr. JC~Mki: Somebody Alid "Tba.llk God". 8ecaii$C WO ba:''C Nd .t Ubenl p<ernnwnt wMc:h I)CVC;T roooa.nized the roqui~mc:nu or 1be: proviMCt, • ·c now have five diffckn' poliliqla»rtie5 in Cul\llda tl12t have n~wttod to otbct poBtlcal partie~ in tbc pMinC~t t<~ JIM'Idc a ooontcrbalaooc. l'be l lbcr• •I goyt'rnmenl i, only lnltrUI~d In Its own prC$1Cn't lion In Ottawa, and that is why 11 it: ··~wdlns thc: Comtitutioll. Why do )'I>U (hit~k we h:.veto rr11m110 Social Ct<:dit in B. C.?

A• ho•. Mt•Nr: Wlwlt't )'OIIr I"CllWn?

m• COMMONS DEBATES M-uch l, ltll

Tlw Colulillrlioft

Mr. IC~U: Why do you think •'tt have h~d the CCF in S.tlltd l(wan .• 111\d no-· tbc NDP? Why do )Ou think •·c b11n ll Unton N1tioRaJe ira Quebec? Wby 6o )'OU think we have the P.ud Qwlbb.lui1? Why do )'Otl ttlink we have PN.JSr"'ivc Contcrvtuivc p>ernmcnt.s i.n other prm•lncta'! Only OQC8llkHI· ully did pi'O'rinccs resort to Libc:.rnl~ in mkr to t~o~ rr out a &O¥Cmmeru w:hidl a.ot to be too .smug, In j'II110C6 whue they have «<ly a lwo-pe.rty $)'stem, tbe}' I'CIIOrtod to dcc.:li.ng a Liberal tDYetnmtot. The simple reasocu l1th1t they h.:u·e bad to tum 10 new po.litkeJ partid ia Cir'lkr to ~·icle some bda.nc:c.. Tile~ is ~scvt.tilts tN P'OWtf" of otkt1. \\'hllil 11 doin.a to the protiatet!

A•~Y wllo beN'S .5iOCIIICdliq ot tile llit4ory ol tcflool bcMr* tao.s t.he powtr .-tbcb dlty bd IOiftC 1S yq" a,o. A .... ldoa ct.me m: a:ntralilc. JIS tlle ptrll~ltt rs doh" nqw,

K«? ll'ac power in lDe ca~tn.l u-nit Do )'W ho•· what ha~? At o.-.: time you were. able to hfre, lire, and xlect the. "kind or education that the c:anrmunity Wlllllod. Tod.ay. the only rok: 'llhlcb one sitting oa a scboot boord play• b tu tt~ake .sure thll the eewen arc nC)I plugged. That b tho t:in<l ol PQ"'·cr ttull b leh to 'he Kbool boards tod.:ly, and tiiJit Is tbc kind of ()O'A~t 1he ~rnmcnt ""'ants tbt ptcwincct eo hav(\ rcsurdJC!I' ol the f11ct that thC$C w,mc Cueudiant dccced Lbc&c JOVCrtl •

me11u to provide • bala.nce. Tbc:y Ay, ~wen. d'lt Otta•·a J.O"Cf'ftMf:ftl Cll.!rtainJ)' dottn:'l do aft)1h.it:ll for ~ ... ~ ... ao to aaothct politk.tl PII1J, A~ kut nuybt: •~'tl ._..., some. JIO'I'V .......

1111t is the bnd ol situOO. n ate ia. We 1ft noc only pnpcl.alillf lbU situl:ioe. but eftfllnni., lt, We arc cbMIIill& it ill nrbfc to cnsu:rt that it mys tlbs way l•t'*tlw lti!MI ol flitl.lfC: we Wllll for Canadi:uu? Somr ol111 will be ,OIK, bu.t thi• •lt~U~tion will 0011tinue. How do you atn4ftd it1 You cannol amc:nd 11 bttau.tt yoo have made the rormub .w r'C!Wictjve th:u h it impos3lble to rni.Wf: withOill the oon~~ent ol twl,)

provinl.!ct.. Oney by tbeir merq sh11ll the PfOVInclll a,<Wern­n\Cnll t urvlvc. Jn thit htllamcm. at'J hon. member llii ld. "Thank Oud r.or tbte Liber.tl gnv~.rmuert t,'"

Aa hoa. 1\tc..tler. Ri&hl uB.

Mr. K.,.dlll tik.l: V.'bt~ do )'OU act )'OIIr ltrtftJlh from! Flny pc:r CUlt <lOmcs from OM pt'Ori110e, Oueb«:. end wallltbt: Pf'O"a.te of Ollwio )W luve 80 pl'f CUI of )'OIIIlf $lrCJt&th.. l\d6if11 OM 11tCW ptO'ritlcc. New 8ni.M.;d:. )'OU MYC 9 I per «ftt f/1 pr •ttu~~th. An ,.,o. ..,.. .pn ~~... fOt all C.udla•t A•Ne.Mc~Noway.

Mr. Kor~: l say tla:at the pYmment b ttltbri.njnl thh prtwision IO make ture th:l1 the Lib«al Party .Slay~ iB offke, and it Is nut IIJJ"linl (or C:uudian!l. An hon, member .-aid "'f'htnk Ood."' Why bu the prq¥inc:.: (If Q11ebcc hud 10 re.rort to the 1-.nJ Qu.tbOOo.it? Is it bocau3t:. or the U~rul JO'I"ttn· nlc:nt 'T l)o yuu think tl~-t)' wetc happy with it'T There nre 13 tntmben from Quebec »nd $2 from Ontario, Addina the ICV"Cn frt>1t1 New Brut~twict aoeou.rtlifot 9 J ~r CCtll of IlK. mcMbert.

Ptthap~ rcw the bc!Kfit ot tile rC('J(If'd I sbou.ld i.nd:ic-.ue that duri.n& J8 }~cUll the ptovlntc ur Alberta has tiC-'r'Cr bi1d 11 Libc:raJ JOYctnmcnt~ In lUili~b Columbi11, In 29 )'ears, there haJ nc~r been a Ubcr•l JO\'ct•l •tlCJU provinc:ialh·; in ~bnitl)o be. in tile l:ut 32 ycort.. t here 1• :~~ atevtt been • Ubertl go\'Ctnment: in New lln•n&wkll:. ror lc:n Wt of 29 ye::trs tl'ttre-11.\ll b«n a Ubetai1J0¥Crnmc:nt. Thf:y ba"'e a IWQoJI'IrtY syi;IC!nL.

Bcu~ 01.1r Corultitutto.l allowed 11 prQYi~- to come into the federatioft it1 Canada, h abo allowed Qvcbcc the- option or $CtJIPn.& out. N~ra.lldllncl raortcd to a Libcral.&<lf'"Cinmeat temporarily ror 2J cri tile: lul n yean du.t l.bty ba'~ ~ i• 0011ftdtn.1ioft. blrt they Stepped Ollll. loo. for ei&ht out ttf 2.$ )'eat$. Non Sax.ia Md • Uknl ~t: a.p:in 1~ N~ a ~patty Sfl'cm. O.&atiGI ._. MJt Ud a t.ibtm J.'C)ftf111ntftt

a 3'2 JOl'L P.E.I. bu for U O•ll of 22: they abo bolw t.,.Plrt)' ·~u:m. Q-cbcc for eU e~~~t of 22 yeam bu had • U""betaJ #'I)''Crnmoent, Sl4-i!W:hc• ·an hou for scvdl out ol 20 yen~.

Why a~ 1hey dolns thb tO Clnadl~ni? Only bcail•:se olthc $<1f...jntcten of the Liberal government. I heir .sc-IC-prescrvn1ioo io Ottawu, Th111 h wtleu: the pow~'t i.s. and they vmnl ICI OOf'ltinue in pooa·cr. • iUMt

Tbe otbe' du.y I afikC!d Lbo Min~er of lr11han Affair:t and Northern l)c<.'Ciopncnl (Mt Mu1110) a question beolt$e fOt lbe firs& tirnt 11nckt lhe ddinlttOn ol •'abori&i.mJs•• i.n thit fli'OP*'d tC$01vtiCIII" the word .. Meta" was inc:tudcd. The IIPOrdi ..l.ndiu ... "'hwK" lad -Ma .... .re tiC4.. To UI)'OOC IIIC't ra.~Nf.

in witb t.ht Mttil sit~,~:~doa 11 •J~PUB that •t· lila"t ma6c a ~ I k:..., thll Che Ladcr of tlllc 'cw Oanocn:tit P2rty (Mr. Btoadbnt) .. ,._ • t.oot wktt •e lla"C dooc- for MC-Cis and lndi:am.'" ud 10 rottb. Only .s(JnX"OM •·ho dot$ 1101 know 1.he sitiAtionud • "o '- iaAOiaot of tbe r.:.ctJ • -ou1d be iO bi.*l, bc.:2use: the Ajf()Ci;Uic)n e,r Mdis atld No,..Sta\us I!Mfj. ans of Sa&klttchcwan doet not btklnl to the n::uioosl aSMCb· liot1. In the province ol' .S".,btcltoewan tbe FcdetlltiQn uf Sn~· btchewan lncU.ana doe.\ nol bcl(lflg 10 the natiooul Otgan.itation. A Ions thue aao that fcdc~tion dedded it did not want 8tl)' pure of dtoat ~>ra:&nlutiott. h lherefure is niQnr, There arc 8S,OOO Mttil in the ri"(Win.:e of Saskatchewan. The lnu.it have bccft r«<gnheo4, aDd Lbtre are l.S.OOO uf them. Th~ Jndiattt bave bce.ft rrqnh:ed, and thtrt are 300,000 or them. However. the Auaoiatioll of Metit 1nd Non-Stal"US ltldiatlt of Sas.btcbewa• Ita' 1101 bee• ~ bccll.lSe it is JIOl part ol tk rutklo:al <lfJalbizadora, ., doet 11 .-ut uy pu1.

Wbt k 1bis pc:mmcet tdtma llta.t I.SfOCiari!M'T -v .. most adhere «J ••her ora;teiutioD or )"OU _.ll1110t be rec-os· Iliad. .. The Mctil •re a1i~ h "'"*' a Friday Riabt mui:k'JC.,

What ria~tu.arc they bei"' aiYc'*1 flon. me:mb«s oppoaicc Ill\ about rizlus. What ll:i~ ol rl&huT They • ·ill bavc a dis.cuMk~ alter thte ro.ct. The Metb lfe 11$,000 lLUOI\g ift the pl'O\'irtCC ol' Sasl:att:bcwutt, They fl rt aayinJ lhil is. ;a dincrvke, bc:-ctulse "f' until now many otpnil'atloo~ twvc been backing them up Now lbwc ot'Jl.!ni1:stlo.u 11re Myina. "Why should you 0Uf'l'­plain1 You ure m-c:nl~nod In t he charter," What good it it? 11 i5 a ditse:rvloc to 1hctoc people IMieuuse up uotil now they h;&i,l the right •o nt&Otttte, ar ltle neaotiat~ failed. dte)' hnd tho

~br<:b 2, 1981 COMMONS DEBATES 1m

right to resort t<l the couru. Wl1~t ar< hon. member$ oppos.ite doin& to them'/ They are taki113 away the right to negotiatt-. What kind of k:vcrase· will t hey h:i'o'e? Wh:at ki.-d i)f hammer or clout willtbey lun'C if we pau thi$ the.,.,)' it is now .,.,illt-Otlt identifyin8 wbat rights t hey bave'!

Sin.c.:e when have t be ptO\•intu 1)01. taken their rts:poasibHi· cy? Tbe answer the mini111er pve me wll$thnt no rizht..s •·ill be removed and t"'-'t the federal aovctnmcnt will not assume any rcspor1$ibility. S ince '411hen baw: tll~ provino:ll neglected thetr ~ponsibi lity? l.et Ull look at $0me reserves and ma.ke a ()()fllp;l~ with respect to tht way the provinoes ba\'t looted after them .. The: hou!les are ~g&er. Se,.'Cr and Wilier $Cnicc:s arc in pl111ce. M11.ny fllc:ilitic:s are better bc:rultSC they are klokcd after by the pro.vinot$. Now.,.~ t31k:e-a ... ·ay that dout and uy tJ1ey can negotiate-with the Prime Minister Inter. They do not tru.s.t the Prime Minister because the~e was no prior comulta· tioa. The)' arc told they <:an rt~tto tht.<:OIHU. Who will fund them'! They J1avc no n)O(Icy. Funhermore. they 4>0 not uust our ooe~rts. Why sbooJd tbe A.ssoci.stkwl ol Mttii aDd Non· S.31tus lndiaM of Sit.d;J,tc:hcw3n trust the cour111 when il • •as the O(l<Urh; t h~t came oo .. •n with the dec:isi0t1 to ban.g Louis Rjd?

11 is the sa.mc organizatio~ whkfl spring.<~ from thl)k d3ys which Is now taJidns, but ho11. membcN on the Liberal nJMI NOP bcnc:he:\1 should 004 tell anybody. including the Meti:s and lndjaM. tbat the)' are gi\·lntthem anything.. Up unt11 nowt.hcy b!d tlte tight to _,egotinte and to resort to tit<: COQtb, The riaJu to ncgqciut-c i$ IC) be taken av;'ay, and thct;.c people do oot trust tlk:: ooom. That :is the position they are being put into.

Just $0 there will be no doubt h1 tilt' minds of bc:m. members Oppoiite, I tuw· hc:re a tck,ram from tbe president of t~ ,\s.sorialion of Mctis and Noo·Status JMians of Sa.s:Jcatcht:· .,.,n. Because of the tirtK demtnt I will read just p:'lrt qf it.. nll foii~.JWi:

Ttw 17"'•1"W ..,r '"'' ukpam & ~ t>:fi«!U o~• eo81P1~· Of!P:.Idool $0 Ill( ~l!(d "!Qtif.c- ricllu" p..:b3c lbW ln.:tudtd ill (he fit~ ..,., C<lro<.~~il,.,. (Olfl • •• We Wlie¥td ~ t.J~~Pc.ir~ntc bcf<WC tllio C(Jmmiu~ ""' lhol '-"' ~•ep in de co:o-h;oti•c ~ will!. f'V'ino;i;tt •1>4 t(fl'it<)l'id •111M k\lden. wW.:Il " -,Ml twl to tilt trubtblllliCII( d 1 tolid 1111lw di1Uttt ot ri311u. .. tllr ft'"' C'oAMiu.oW...

Sotlo bu ,.._ '«•~ tll• qw •• , lbf N!li¥4 C'oo.ondt or C-llnda doe$ (IQ(

"'~"' '"' Th111t if exactly w.hat I was trying to ttU hon. members. I

mcotioocd the membersblp. I will ~d ooly p;trt$ e>f thi$ tde£t<tm bccauSt: it i$ 110 Iona. I

urn 3tlre III\YQfiC v.•bo .,.-ants to see this tek-yam tan bave copies. , ._,.., f)KI.afl' k 1101 - -..ith whi<h """ >rr~ ill lllfWIIMIIL FvotbrrllltJAI, '"' ,_ ~ ,..~ .. . ,.-, , Pri~ Mini,t~~r. ,.ill 1<'11 1'01.!1(~ (bt niu cl lllf c~~~•di .. .,a.P.e. ind01 .... 00,1~ -mbc"lllp.~ol aclmh thu 11lt ~tu k Jd"'f •~ a """' <Aolt~i1vli9n i • ""'11&"

That ••as from J im Slnel:tir, the J!C'dide:nl a( the flli$()Cillltion to whk:b I luvt bce:n refcrrinJ.

My time is rapidJy runni.ng out. but tbert are il few uther things on whkh I would like to <:ommcm; for clWmplc.. tile right to qwn propc:rt)', I happen to oomc rrom a stock or taoc or people who 'Affe J)CJISarttS, iom.any tii.Sel, in tentrull3:urope

Thl'l Ct.m.ftiwti(}ll ~nd who hl1d nO right lO property :wd could not pos.<~ibly h(IJd pr-operty. They came to this ~ountl')'. We d id AQII h1•vc- a <:barter of rights. We did 1)()11 b:wc to sec out the. right to own propeny in u charter. Thc.se people C<lm<: tn thi$ c<tunlry becali.1C· the.y knew they could own property here. h was a tr.ldition. 1'hey had h~rd about Ci11uda. Canada w:u frtt:: you QOQ)d own land,

How.-t:vl!r, governtttetllS became- very big and $U011g.. The m0$1 Y<Jeal JlCC.IIllc W in.e fw n C-hArter l)f rights i'l rt the soc:isliSt$. They ate-vocal because tiM:)' are tbe first peopk to c-rK:rwc.:h on <tur righlll. Ove-r the yean they impMCd their demands on tbe pubiK:. 1'bcy moved their grw:ly h~mls int() every aspect of our society. Tbe)' haw. n~'Cd ill a.nd infringed on wr riahts, wich tbc help .;,f the Liberllh; in Onawa. We hs'l't come to the point where people ba,·esubmittcd to the fa~t tlu!.l thdr rigltu h::~ ~n luu. This 1\a.s IU1pp1:11ed without our thinki.n,a. abot~c proc:cst~.

What •-t sbouJd be doing is enshrining in a c:bancr permis­sion for eovemn:tcnt 11) mQ'I'C on.ly in ~:c:rt;dn arcus. ln:~te:ad, the pt'OOCSS has btcn rtH'"s.od and the gM-ernmau U sa)'iiiJ. "We are BQing to gjvt--yuu $0tt'IC· rights." Who &3\'f: 11\e g<Wttruncrtt those rigbt.s in th<c first inst.~nQC'! When people Qme to this courtuy, tlt<:y stttled in smaJI commun.itks and $CIOCtcd lead­en. Tbt:y $el«to:d people tO l\~rv·~ on oouncils. Tlt~e, <:ounclls .,.·ere given rights. T~ ritehl$ were zivcn to the C()tlncils by pel>ple. One by or~e they C.(p:lnded at~d bcC31:l:l<: gO\o--crnmeou.. but the rights •-c:re in the h;md:l a( lite people. Beeauk of the OOIOJl'IS ol big gQ\'Crnmenl we have nov.' reach«! the point whf:re people ~ue Joain_g their rights and the)' need to ba''C: a charier of ris:flt:s.

What .,.'t do run realize is th.al over a period or tinle JQVt'l'nmenl" haw bi.'C<Ime impurunt ~nd t11c people. 11avc no imporlanoe. To rettSSure tbc people •·c oow ba''c to resort to siving tbcm a c:barttr of rights. If we did 001 ba,•e tbc type of giJVcrnme-nt •-c: h..·n·e lud.. we w<)uld not have I() JtiO(t 10 thi~ type of approoch. The people always ba"c rights. Governments have nevo had any ri&bl$ e,;ttpt tbosc. right$ tbe people ba\<e given tllem, Now tlte &O'Iemmcnt 311)'$ it ill giving the people a dt:lflCt ol right.s and ftccdocns. Tbe p'Ctnment says that io the c;b:1rtc:r it U n=cog_nixin.g tbe rights of IDdbtts, womw, nati''" and so fOftb . This. govemmcot recosnilcs only one thing: k:t tlt;ttt be. dear. 1t is mak.ing itself supreme. Tltat is wrong. Only a country lik.e RUll~ia can &"!t ~way • •itb a bluff like that , Article 72 o( dte Russian ~01\SCiUi tion re~~ds as follows:

llllcll Vt~oll Rl'"(."::l:ll~ .skill rmia '"' riJbl (norly I0,1\0IPWJ4" r,_ the U.S.S lt Tbe rept~bl ics n.s rncd are t.he R11asian Soviet Fcderati\•e

Saci:•li)t Republ ic::, the Ukrainian S<wiet Socialis-t Rtpubl!c, the GoorJian Sc.wiet Socio1 ll$1 Republic. the Arme;oi:.n $Q\Iict. Socialist Republic:. tbe Tlitkmen Soviet Socialist Republic, Estonia, Ut,·ia :tr.d liU forth.

A dinner is being put OB b)' the E:uonisns an.d l :uvianl. l>1> hon. mcmbcutltink l.hey would not like to seocdc? Whal ,good is that lype of coostitutio•t? This go'l<'trnment says il is giving tJtc- ~nadi~fl pe()pk ri&h!s, but the Canadi~n pe<>pfe hnve always had rigbts. BcQuse of cncri)Olehment.s- by t:O\'Crnmcnts

COMMONS De&A TES Muchl. lti1

TIN' (.._,,,,lotr in 38 or th~ lut SO )'eOl" (an t h_, ngbts or Caw:adi•ns. •·~ have oow rell(ll\.od a point in wr h i)tiwy ""ben ,.,-e bu•·u t (l reassure

poopJe in orde:r tu lef!P them ftom m'Oit. BcetuK t:hc people arc disanuukd. Poople "")' • Oft<ler abolu • 'bill happentd in

tile Uaeted State.. J iai"C hclrd COCftai'ICjtU abOIIt the cboioe cl ~ 1\a.pft. Ploople: If'< fed •P. Why cLef po;!Sik .,.e ag;.im.~ ~ arvica. •nd ((If' tu Clits? They did tO for tht

$lmptc- nr.uon that dtc)' are foci u.p whb bi! g.ovctnment.s. Th1tt

is exactly whlat we hh·e ltld Mre.

h is: rc.a:r~t.a bli:l that my lir"e is •Jcncwt up bi..'CIIdt I "''OIIJd

dearly hne lil cd to~ '"'")' otbct poi.llt5.

Se......_ Mt..-rs: Mord

Mr. llcw~:.aukl: J would like to talk llbout lbc ValiQOIUYet

oonsefltus, ft>t uample~ Ult al'te touch bricOy on tlui t. Tbcy say it js &oil\$ to be a c:h<>tkerbi:H&rd. WeiJ. Mt. Spcnker, do you

know ""'here the Prime Minincr gets hit informatMM!l He WAll i111 OUea, be h•• $pml a )1)1 of time ill Ru,AI, al'td e'-t:t)ilod)' then btha~~a as if they a-en n. tbt army. Wka they u.y

.. Att~tkM"', nuybody suact. •p; wkft, Ucy taT .. AMI tutft", CYCt)'body turns; and w lw:n they S8J' -rorw.rd m:~.rch'",

e11~body atg,rchcs (Of'Ward, lie w;mL'I t 'letyooe to be KV· mented. lie "'nnt!l ~ M~.--iety -..·hich., if you pfut lt In. it turn.1 yd low; If you tell it (0 ~~ l'ol"'llard, i1 m~u fOJw•td: and if

y0111«ell it to 'U.!KI at aut:11tlon, U11t is; ••lut at dott..

• tl~

Tbc Mllt .ttep • llf be th:t I CVCI'YOOC wi)l hil'IC 10 wear a

uniform as In red Cbi.n01, I luv~ ..e~et travelkd t9 red C hina

a.nd I h:n~ not 5ee-Jl it lim h11 nd, but on televltkm ,YOU ~ll MIC that CVCI')'OI'ICI tbi!TC: is dreued i.n the R~me uniform. fie wants a sa~ype tocicey, aDd MYtr mitld the fact that Quebec

qnted • b.,-..,e of iu OWl!, tNI $ubtdlewaa .,..,cd a lllledicate piu, •hid r1 W'OUkiiiC'f"cl u~ laM if •nuimity IDd

been r~ui,_, h was a Ubcrlll pnwision whkb ~uircd the approv11l o( •bt rwcwit~Cts bc:ff)re • tr•nl cwkl bt atlade coward ntoedlcata:~ 11 Wilt tlle [)ie(enbflker ~t~m:rnane-nt OA·hich 511id. ··w~

...;11 prO\'idc andta.oce C'\'t:fl if 0111)· one pro11i~M~C '<lo lliiU it." Tltat is I«<OY\\noobtion ol the proviDC:ei. With iu k.it1d ol

attitudt~ tile Ubcrt.J JO"'ttWIMnl caiMOl baw ~tioft.

I do not •ant to impo~tt" .._ the tU.ne of tltb Uo.se. Mr. Speaker. or on t"at or any member. but 1 •Ill -'*)' thi,, Wbtat

the Prime Mlt~lstet b:u doM it n::i«ted lhitiih Columbia on the 1as. lu~ac, infurinted M•nitob!. mamw:rlted Ofttatio,

tnJb.mtd IC-J)tlratiOII in Oll«:bec. !iiCOrtla:d Ncwfoundbnd. iporcd PrlftCC Edward JdaDd, utqoai1• Ncwa SootY, nwaipabtcd Subl~a. ltaaqQiliztd Jorkw 8nJ:mwd. cb­

p,ed Alberu.. aN1 .~ .n. ruched 2 poin:t •k" one boat.

member has bad to rise in hIs pl.t« 2tld say thlt the Prim.: Mini:s tc:r h~tj lied to Canadian~.

So•• llo•. M4'mhn: Hc:ar, hear!

HOIL ~ Rep. (MJaiA« ell..a.,._): Mr. Speaker, I

traDe that ift dekrnWilfl& •ho 11 for ud wflo b -.,.tasl lhis

rt$01utl0ft.. we willlt:a.-e 10 ru rt t~ hem. ~t.bc-r (Of M act en· t ie (Mr. Kon"him~l•) :u beit~t doubtful.

I •m ea.uemdy plcallt:d t!) llav~ tlle oppqrtutait) tO ()tut"ki-· !>'le ut tbi$ ~SI.I!C of this very unpoltaau debate. A<.:tullll)'. I

had noc intciMkd tu da• so; I wu cuntc:nt to have my Yle""ll I'OCOI'dcd in the r~m11U • ·ltidt I dell.,erocl at the initUI fllllge of

COMiclttaliofl of tWf ruol•tioA. M)' sl)«da la the. Hou• &oday

k prompted sokly lty oertai• rnnatb ttlc RtC)II He~~, Ladu of the: ()ppollitkwl (Mr. ~rt) made •• tlile deb:ste- lul wed.

81H before I uarn to tbaoe ~m11rh, I want eo ua•c thtJ

O()I)Qf'tunlty,to congrtt'Platc- tlle ri.Q.tll boo. g«::nt&emran OD c11e cndorscmem he ~clvcd from has fllllt)' on tbc weekend. 1

klttve that his hard wart. dese,.'ed • bcuu cadorr;etnt:nt, bot.

U I wi:U be: ll)'i"S in tbc C:OUIW- el .. y tcm8fb. IIIU..ilnily is ltard to ac~ •IMtlt.rt • tk Co.ottltiolt ot oa othC'f' types ofc~l'lt..

In rt:lati<ln to the remarks which tbc ricbt hon. l«lllttnan

nuadc ln this dcbntt< ~ ~~·t '<lo'C<:k, hJi vk ... t~, hb1 premise! anal his

coawltll;IMMit are JO in error, 110 nl iithiC"'iJCIJ, .10 h:Hmrul to our natiooal exis:1a:11oe u to ay out (Of eotttX:tioo. I (eel fU\'C:tltf)'

·~• OW" country •ncl iu fuutte. I biTe ~eel two dcxadcs o/,.1 li(c to p:~btla: ICI"rioe •1111 flu~ fxQ ilm:)hoed tollat&Atf)•

'" tiM: serious ""'""ln,;atioct. OOfttidcraliOn aM .-a:socaattO!t of m<.~ltctrl afftttiiiJ the: "·ctrarc-. unity l.ncl $UrrivaJ or C•nada. From thiJ.I c~pcra~eloOC I b!I\'C \k.,.cla)pl.'<l u profound b.:IM:( an the

kind of Canada •·bleb c1u1 ~~ (!UM:"'cnt and bait 1111rvc the lntcn:sll of out dlrfcreo• rePoos al'ld v•ried culturu.

My ~;ancU"' of C'aold.a, t.o-'C'Ytf. is $0 difl'er~l fro.n

thlt lid fotth b)' tlw- ~PI t.o.. JUIIkn\,n u: to rcquift lfW lo

Cflter tbi$ dtbcltc to pul rQrth CM!f Qllfl.lf'1;$till.f, ~·ic'wJ, The

l.r.Adet of the 0pp.lal,ition ba.s A id thllt tbc: pui'JIOIC of P'iriia· rmntnry dcb:ne ia 10 dra"'' :mention to ,ltcrn;lli\•c: vie•·• ot o11r touotry. I •srcc thot this i:s Qnc l)lltpose or deb11t0. ooe

.fu~tlfla:atiofl of our patty system.. OM tiWI.ifcstttion or our ptrt&.Jrncntuy IO''C:fftmCIItL As he said, I~ an: IWO v1Moas of CaMda. 0.1'$ .,. wry ctiffcrcat (rvm k. I wwld Uppdy pta,ct

1lw choke ol tlloM t•v m~ bcfon: tbc Caadiu Pf'OPic, fQI' tbc two vi;sic.wlt fiiC very dil'fercnt. Hi14 iJ fl vi&iQn 1intllar to Mr. Pcckfotd's and Mr. Louglw:a:d's, lie. hBil ilpoken of Cll l\lld.l'il

rehllion~=;h.ip 10 t ho pt'VI'inces. as a comnmn_lty of oomm1uti1k$ • Mr. Ptdfqrd bl.i Uptcsscd tbe ume Pfi.rw::ip)e of' totaa l doca:n· ,,.. .. ,.,.tioo ol ••thority i4 diffem~t WGtdt. He ltu akl tbe­

C..U.Ciian &'Oftt1lmcnt is the "'s~l o( proriadal IO"Cf''I­

MC:IIll."'

" " •oil. Mf"JII'Or: Be bond t.

Mr. Rf'gu: If !hey sec tlle CaMdlan sovernmeru 1t.t bcin~

t)le a&cn.l of tlle proviDed. tbc:ft lUrdy tbe leader of the

~ be shona bimdf to be tile I,J«<I rmuat ollhc

prun~

Art.._ Mr•ltcr: That is ri.t.fn.

Mr. Kqu: There are t•v \tiUGn~ o( C.nadit. Outt b or a C1nad.a or $-ttOI'I& pe'O~i.noccs aod a !IUOII£ centr-al govert~ma:nt.

Oun Js of a Cuadsan 1(1'1-t:f"ttJ!K"flt abk to proride leada:nJtip. to .tpU!d cpportu•itia. 19 cqaaJUc opp:wt~lid thfoua,bol.l

ou.t couJJtry. and aWe 10 speak fot all Can:ads i• iiUct.,.l.o.ul

mauen.

COMMONS oea~ T€S

l1lor ,-d"- ol the "PI kM teatk..u is • \dl klosdy •fnliltcd lUto wiU Q.l}lq ripu and $tncbtd$.. conU.a.n.tl)' ..-abtlli.q wilh ac:h oc.kr • tlik lhto Canad.iaa pcnal!!lCill , .. ,. by, u 11npocent ... indnl;nt $i)CC-'btt:w.

A• a. •. Mt atfMr: lrmucnt'!

Mr. R.p•: lrrcwcrtl'lt ll lto. The vu1 majority or Can;,.di;~nll,

h•d udin; lbc Rlthl Hon. John f)icfenbotlicr, rcjoe<:tcd the two •atton th«lry or our ((luntr~ • 'hi<:b wou.ld ba''<' given 3pc:d11l ' '"'IU to OI'IG ptovlnott with clifrcrtnt poooo>tN rrom tlt<C oc.hcrs. Wh:11 t/10 ~dcr or the Opposition now oN'en, i)()v.>ever. b much worse tl\1111 tiUi t whk b the Ol.lUntr)' rc:j«tcd antJ which Mr. Dld"cnb!lnkcr rtjcelc:d. Wh~tt the U:adc:r or the Opposi· t i<~ u offer• If a tt.n•nntl(ln theury 'fll'hici• is ba~ed on the lntpkmcnt11tlon o( tbt: VanooU\'c:f rormvli. The implement:~· tiOP o( hi$ tbeol')' ••ou.ld bfin1 on • ••c11kcncd I!Jitlonotl &O\''C:rll-111Cftl, near world prioet; for cMrty. intcrprvvi.ncla.l trade. bani­CN. liC'Imtthit~l fih prcMntiiJ J!UllpotU to establish )'0111 ri,pt to • ork itt a ,.nltl.laJ prov1~ diffC'~n:t <Xlflititutiol'lal JlfO"i· \10111 ia diffctc:cu pro¥mta.. and no COMIIkiO stancbnk in hea.lth ()( pC'Mioll provh.iom..

AA liloft. lnelnba ORIOMtc !U):I .. ~ .. I wil tdl .. ..,. ••1 ill is _,. DOIIW'ftle U o O(ltt IICJDioC'tit. brcnse bis tM ulion thcofy b: OM wtlkh would .et 01tr rep. 1.1111 ow Jl'O'illttS drifli., •JIIn toWllrd d•bbls lNcpcfldcDc funrQ,. jiW u tk ice p~Cb of U l c ~pMot break up. drift IJMrt a.S ncllhl211y

lliAJIPCI'' n~h 1pn11 .. The lcadc:t o( the (}rJPQ'Idon: talks olthe ptC$C'Ol pt()C!Cd of

(C)m,dnttional p~~ul.atlon u bcin.g divisi~ a.nd he $11.)~ that th.is hat~ bC'cn tbc CAn~drllll way, I wiJJ dcaJ wit.h tlul (ll).rticulat iMooun&t)' fft • monttnt. ~I let me rin~ A$k, whal on earth 001.1ld ~ n~)l'l.' davltl~·c thon the Vam:ou:vcr rMmula witll ~~o•bi<:b he alk>rn~ his t>CMlition1 'rh:.tt p~:~rtkul;ar .'IOhllioo to finding a uni\•cr111lly BC<cl>l4blc tunclldina (Qrmulu tlro\'ides that, C\'Cn it ~nou&h pi'(Winccr 'fll'ctc tQ liP!'"'~ ll COtt«itulioiUI1 <:1\ange. llflfllC t)tO~ItM:c:ll oould opt wt ur it. M~>re afld more: provin..:e~ o:mld opt out of more pr<Wificrni .Ill! various cban,Je$ are made, Thus, ir )'Oil look 111 tht eluutu of ricbts. )'00 (OQkt h11ve aboritil'\lr l rljhla prOtt!Ctcd in .IIOtl..C proviDCe$ butzux in othcri. Discrimination bl&dl on IICJ: tnay be ootJawed in certalli ptO'Ii~M~Ct but iJIIOI'~ in otbc:u.. Citizens' ri&b(s apimt u.nfsl.r anut "'-"'ad bo tfllrcMhcd io one prO'i.nce and uofc:tteted ilflpriiOIUIWit (or IIICfl lhinp U cklJt CIOUicf bC' io VOJ.lle iJI 411hef1;. t eaMOC ill\&tioe u)1hi111 bctta desig.ocd 10 poD wr

''''''""'l' aP'r\. • U"'t

The t\&ll '*'- ac•ncraan .r..o fw:nd tk: uisiCftCC of differ· ft'll poiau: of "IC'W c. a..,. &be Constitat .. s.t.ould br: p:lUiaud ddttitdlll ud _..,..u." .. He .-as c:oncemcd aboat d•m.kln. fl~ contrfL-Ited ·~ PfU(ftt proc:ct~ to t.h:u rono..·td in t)lc

dc~dopm~tn~ or mcd.a.rc ltt C~nada: he pided tb:at p.1rticv.lar na.mple, He aid th<lt the c.,u..,~t wu as tmpotUtlt, bu1 tlult in the 4"o;~JC or mcdi~JC wh:~t he c:allcd the Ca.n:1distt rcderal proc:cs.• ....... rollowcd.

n.. C.udttdkM

H• dloQ olu e.u .. 9fc ~ t1w rcdtfal Pf'OOC.S$ i5 ;,pt. but tf 1w tl:iats i1 JCMS ar-. &11\lt!M:•I. hit knowkd&c- ol erca rcc:cat Jditkl!l ati:leory 11 r .. fty \ltd.catc- i& tM t;townln! &br) cl ou.r Ca.tudian .oc.al J)~- h h tM mml suikin& example o(

"" diiTcruoc bct•ec:n lllc Calladian *nd Amaic:ae Vta)"S of life, but il:!l birth was ~e«~mpan:kd by al'l~1bin,J but un:snim.ity. I( be thltlkf ulltbc ptQ'I'ilh:ct~ wer-e bppy at its ad~Pt, I .,.,..nl eo ll<tluroe him thJt t hey •-tre not. lt • 'IU impu~cd by federal !ipendina PQ"'(t wh<:tt M u~uut 1he p«winces .,·c~ u~Ubk to 11gr~. c:ithtr nr11<1111 thctaudvcs or witb tbo: feds. on any mcdf.c:11"~ .chonw:.

Here. ar(l ~~n~ ol tbc commcol$ o( IJ•at era tef:ardi!l$ ihc 110n <•t r.:dtnll prOtc» to whi.cb the hon, membo:r rtrer•ed. Ptc:mlu Koblrti ilttid or n'cdko1rc: M~•llrou't h • rtfl .. illf; •umr•l! ol 11 M.<~c_,,-.;,, "'""...,. 1b 1 I< In my

1111mlilt v,_,o1 ll!lf ot tk arul(tl p.olil.:.lfoud~ l.llo11 hu c•~r bt- f'C"'tlelttOI· lid oul!t l!tl'r4ttit•'-Oo*IIIIJ,

In thjJ ll~k • promillCnl Coruavative oftbal time, Mr. f'uhoe, iakt 1he toUow•n,g concemiQJ the medl<:3.1'e proposal: _._.., .._..., ,., NliMM.Ii~ bl""-i• .•. -~ r,.._.; •• '""' ·· ........,.,.l..._.._~ue_._...._

nK Ql 1he ecftlin l)'pe ol "'lrNI"unit:y'" wltidl Qislc::d oe IIIC'Idtean, I c..ld q.oK lM ~4 ol row- ot fWc ocbc:r l'""'ifh ir ""*' .,.,...,.., wt 1 tWM • 'hat it c:q,rnes badt so a lifl'I(IIJ lhis• tlrtc Rt&}ll HOL l.Ndu ol tilt ()pposjcjoe ~$ !IOW

beta o:wrcccect oo how MC!~~ care aune •bouL I ;,m S.tt' bC' ..s c:otftiCicd brlor-c 1 aiel tk:w ..-onh. hut IQCGIQI.n: a not .,.

o«pc.M:N.. 110'1' lt rally a&.me about i:s wh:at lllc fedcnl PI'~ in Cuad.a ~ Ill is the fedenll proOcSS ~-ru:re. Beat. we •• 11 JO'IC'rtl.Rlct'll -~ fuve moved 10 eRif S() )'C~fl. o(

d~dloek on potri•t•O", he (Ontcocb that •·c: h::!Yc. given. up on tbc (cdcrlll i)1tcm. l-Ie: nrJ•td that we sbwld not ba\'e dooc thnl, tbllt 'he recJ~:r:t l •y•tcm b.,~ not (a.ilOO. that we should m~t llfld Id ten tO tht. ptCnlic:fl d isagi"CC 11mong th(';I'(ISCI\IC:S ror anothc:t 50 )'(1111 Of IO"l',cr tl) ucbl-t\'C: IU\a.llimity, in the $111nt. wa)' liS ' lx ptcrnlcl'!l who uppcli!Cd our pro~ition tt:tendy me:~ in Mantrc::ul •nd could not c:~c11 88tee on on amendin8 rormula or on whet!K:r or not to gq to Jlngl;~nd.

The RIJI,ht lion. Le:udcr of the {)pflositioo does l'tQI ~ndcr• 5'Uind l h:U it iJ IIOC ll.c redelll l li)'I>ICm whi..:-h lw: failed: it ili unanimitY whi-eb tuu ltiled. The ri.g.hl boo, a.entlc•nsn bdd utum.cly hi,&h omce (Of a ''el')' brlc:( time i.Ddccd. h w.ts the on.ly dmc he llli C''<'r be-Id an uec::uli\'e·admin.iitrlti'-c- posi­tion. Ue ncYCY p~rdcipitcd in • dol'e federaJ-provinci•l l'in.t mi.nif>IC!I'I• COIIfe'ff.IICC'. He: ll!C'\'c:r JOivcd •a intctp'Ctnmc•u•l dcadkd; ~K'Itpt by total Wff'C'~. I bow it is a striold thill 10 ~lu~p a fomrlcr Pf1'IIC mtni5au ..,,h ui\tete., b.t1 I kindty •.S :tcriowl)' "'"'* thal he._,.. ooc ill offce kiln& ~t)t to lute 1k11 die \"'b ol raruon it 1101 at.s.hcd tr, the' im~ ollk •ftdcfltkt..,. 11$ hbiOf) -a Qufl~ OD lOCdic;ue. hf'. Upt IN dob .cM rctl1zc ~tall« Caaa.cb. ·$ im~ta~l u~ at actlk•etnellU bavc bet• •ca~mplct.htd despite di:S.$C.won., disw!WOil at lctit "da:p •tld bitter as .t.nyth.itlg •·e bavc: *" h1 t!IC' aurcnt ~~~Ctld.ii\J.

1r :....c r~ic~~os the dC'betc.. the J)tlblic $p:ec:1lc:5 and th~ outcrict 111 the tllnc of tbc oriJjniiJ ctM~(tdC'tatioa. one •ill

7tto COM\fONS DEBATES

TJw CINutit~liOII k1111 U111 NO¥• Soolia, for ifiStanoe. di6 c:•er)'lhlna. lt~cludint dcfcadna all those who had \'Oled fot eot~ftdttll t lon, to claw i4 way bG.ck Otlt. WhAt happened at tbe time of tho building ol tbo 'llllntC~tn•d• Pipeline wb~b •'t IIJC: '"'1ully l}.rliterul to buvc todu.y? The dls.$enRon from tbutarut project oonuibutcd arctlly to brin&ina the governmtfll do-n.. Wltat aOOut the St. t.11wnnoc Seaway ot when the ~uury w~~.t otabliJhina a CanadianiUIYy? S.ttiC$ and di$$Clllion oc:cufl'cd In. tills Hou~. and In tk ptovi~KU untiJ fioally the Pwnl~tr of Briti.'lh Cohtmbla bo.tsht two su.brmrinC$ at IJic ~·n of the -..r. Wllat about tile ckt.te oo o.r Oq wk• ( wv ptaCftt bt tbt Uo.tt tome. 11 )'CIJS qo? W.._t abollt auticMI fll Uw new 'IIUUn pnwieet:s'! D"• •• acxclllllifl&•ic.d all olthde 11ca1 ~IMIIU. "J"K ~a are put af\a, bJt ~ is pen ol1hc ,.rtil.mot.fttary prooet;a.

The Pmplc faet ltlhat notle of thett thlft&t woukl haw oomc: abollt if we Md at«d ()flly with un11nlm.lty '"" without di5Kn5lon. The aimpJtstic view that the cla5.h ol imponaot lntcretU ea.- quM:kly 'be I'C$Oivoed by twocl wliiiiiOM i5 11 vit~Mm rqet~>cd fOf 4he uninitiated. Good will there mU1t be, OOt aliO muc.h mort: an ability to evalu..ate "'hat IJ vitol to rtdtral and ptovlnciul intne11t11; f11irn~ mi.ud wrth pr.;tcc:don or whllt b Yilll. llYCn in hil brief time in office tbe rial'lt hon. aentleman •bi.Mikl haYC lea.rtlltd dtis fron• hh. t\\ptri(tii:IO. With all this IQOd will whkh M bdiei'C$ '*'OUid adlkYe: uunimlty in de· "tiOfKna • eomtitvtioa. be..., not at.k to HCtlt wicll Ll)ua~t­tcd. lvul or the Wata SUm &ron •110 Wtit UN 11-eeal clloCbc UIA on IN-. He a;'*ld 11e111 C'ft!ll p:l Fba hoMe to 90Ce. So .._ailnit y wu eot Ul:tt eas:y to ~ Na. lit IDs OK •roo& YiAoa ol Caudll..

TM fcdctal f)1;lem is Ml a system of lUia"'•mity. '1'M focknl l)'ltetn "-• not f1iJcd; ratber, it bu built tbc belit ()OU.rury in the v;orkl. But unanimity • ·ill often fail when there .re impor• t1nt OCNinM:tit18 intel'C$tll. No rccten~l c:ounHy in the 111'0tW C:AP"I*' or requires unanimity to make eh;anat&, and ntitbtr cSuef C•nnda .

The Ctnlldiafl go~>crnmcnt h83 D.lwaJ' had the role br Spt:&k• in.a for 111 CarmdianJ, lt hu oot beer• a (Oinmunily amoos communllla or a J(Wt:rnment :.mon.a c~u11l•. 11 h hat beet~, then would ha•e been 110 medic:arc.. We mull COMidcr oor histoty. u. the Risbt Hoo. Le:ukr ot 111< ~ltion bu failed to do. E~'l' prcwiott n-uted .~ttcr 1167 came l1tto bd-a • itAolt com:ulutioa with or pe:tllliMiotl ol ,.,. ot.c•l'll PfO"• i.u. c .. OI!IC c.lriftk of a beutt cJ.J.fl\9k ol u imponlnt CON.III",....I dsa_,e?lk same •u lite C&k ill rc:bdoa ao tile Pf'Qril!t4» of Nnrl"o.ncllaad.. Wkfl NC"Wfoulldl~~td ., .• , admfUod., two pR:miers.. inCh111in,& tbc-pnm.kr or my ptOYiMe, compllitted t llat the ~inccs .sllot!W: be oonfuhcd Consulted tbcy were not: tbllt wu not t be pr-oca!J..

The rttht hlon. 1e11Ueman talked of p:ut pr11tticd. but none­cklllt with pllt rill.liolt, anameDdlll& r.)rmula ..... entrenchme-nt or t duu1er of ri&hCJ, T he fac:t& a.rc thlt Utero have bee-n 16 IIIJnlncant 11mcndmenu to the: Britith North Anwrl~ ,o\c:t by Wu tmirutcr; or these, 13 ll l"'cctcd prvvincl.-1 intcrcs:t.s. Of tllac I J.tbc provittea were con.wltcd on ooly tiA. ltt 11.1 leau

OM ol th~ Sfll COitWI"HI<In" the fodcr~l J.QYe:rnmet'lt we-nt al:tcad on its own • ·ben oon'ultatioo did ooc brine agrttn.cl'lt.

Al$b /1-e nu.it:d the (JIIQihlln whether enQUgh time hat bc!C.'n spent in trying to re1u:h tl._t elu ~i "c un:animity. Wit lt a. flllu1~ ish. the tight III!Wt 1entkn~n llug.t;dU.-d tl1at OnJy 48 d;a)'$--tlli' ._ ... s his arc;1t di~~c:,~ry 5i~c t 9l7 h:ave b«n $pent <lilltlf!iSII'-1 the Constitution. This is either anotb« naive s.implifiotution by a man ,..ho has M'IC1 Utlt:clt p;&rt in ll lin1t minister$· QOO(er· mce, ILM tbcn:IVtc dOCI not t"no• how they openHt. or a ddibetate ddwrtkle.. Let IU Mt.urne the- former and tcd 10 cdvatc lbe n&IU ho!l. tt:.-tkfw\.lfl.

I pmoaiiJ «d. put '- ~UJ' first m~· co.Ccno« bdwem 1910 a.nd 19'tL I• .cldlttae tq lf!CO(.c c:oll5lil•tioaal COIIfCR:IKU. tk (:ons;tJt•tiorl .-u oftC* cfisc:tiscd. C"'CI'IIht:fl l4. was .at Ofl lhe ,.bite qc:nc:l:a. f>t~euuioas bth•ffn. acwun• mct~tll&re 0011duetcd chroa:sllt Clf'ficills and minj~>leF$.. u • 'ell•• througb the biJ}I1) .. ·publk:irtd oonfere11~ or fl.l1it nliAi~ttfj. I suu-est lt is aJt in~uJt to ~if. F•hm1 and thd:ut Mr. F';~w-a111, to- name only ,._.., • •ho wortcd h.ard hourt on the. subject, 10 liUgtC$(. as did the. Ritht fiOII, L~d~r or the Oppos:it~. tl'wt t he elloru to rcadt a&r..~c.rntnt • ·en: ~ ll&.-ric,u.~ ;1nd len.v,lh y The~ werc.alm<nt W~utucntrnedint;s or officials and mjt!btc-rll be4.wten 1968 and 1911, rl'(lnt April 1975 to October 1'1(i., from <ktobcr 1973 10 l'cbru;.~ry 1979 ud, or cqu~e. hl)m June to September 1910

I ~fly ltiiiOW holft 1\ftUC:Il umc wu spent by ~ tJy m) miftiueFl aad oii'D.It altd by «Nf ~ru ill otJiltt PfOOII'­a.c:u wka I Wti ill proriocill pullfi'ICrtL for iiiSC:UOe., tbt ript boa. ptk:rM• toatly d•liiDDIJ•ted or does not know c.._.t the 'VIf'tiOQ cqjom: ..... w b¥'C rqioftal rna miaistc:n' met't• iQCS ia a.dva....ce o( the fir1t ml"i~oert' meetingt; io c:ountina hit 18 dllys,. The tunc!, CltCfl)' •"d reiiOIIf"Otl: deployed by I<"'CfA> mencs 0'1-'C' tbe .-~t llyl:flrs to tl')' to reach a.grcerneot on th lt subject have bte11 eciOfmOuL The f.ailure it due. 1<1 the riP113 and often onfuli$1k r:xpoc:tntions of 5o-me prc111icr$ wbu feel that eacb indi.,.iduul Mll8t have nil o( bi.s <:OI'Ittt'nt sati~O«l In full ~>eron: m(o.,ellit.nt ~~~~~(~~.)Cur. Yetl'l$ ;, ~t~~ liQna l gu\·ernmcnt we ha ~re r,h'Cn aw11.y •bout 1t muc:h power to the provinces :u •-e can. • tl<iOOJ

I W'()lllld tiltc to- quot~ Chkf Justice Bora Laski.n ol tlw Sv.pccmt C011m of C•e:Mb- t-1~ s:tid:

I'-tt1 • ~IIIJ ~ .. •lliO lk -·-.,.;u ~ • .,........,.,... • ~ _.....,-ltl • .,,__ .. c-.e-

ProfC$$0f Rowla.MS ltam.o. oltK Ufli,"U'Sity oi Calpt)' Law St'hool said 1iW1;

~ dll;pwat - 111e -·"" fl -KW I• lOOt. 1111 ~h • odiJront .,.,._ lite limM ot n~lllf -•llt•lki!WI 11111~1ty a<i h • ~ lllnm a., - fll •• ""'"'""""~(,. ""''""""'--' •114t.i•)·

11u:. Wdcr or tht Oppt~illon Qjd that he wouW hlt\IC had on a.a:rccmcnt whh ll~oe I!I'<Wif'Hlrfi, He u,jd th.1 t 11 prime minl$. tet who ••:uued to bn"'e nn •grttment could ha'-c hod lll'le, Yet in $0 )'e.U$ IM' JlfirnC! tllinfJter hiM bt:en 2bJe 11) obtain li,&1CC• menl. I think the ri.Jht bQn &c:ntleman migl:l~ h<tlfC ac:hk'lcd .. ,,_

COMMONS DEBATES 1111

l\lr,t .. •rc!K't: Victoria in 1971.

l\>-1r. Res••r The bon. member oppn~~l tc •nyj; "Yktori11 1n 1971." I know about Vietori..:t. I w;u then.

M .r. lA•'rf'l~: So was I.

i\tr. lltpa: AJ. '<'o:&S the bon. member oppu&ilc. f-Ie kltows th1U 11 VietOfi.l all ten p~mJe:n a&rttd Oil tlw VlctOorb ((1,... ntul;a. Tlle: diJa.g.tttmornt •·» not on the Victotla ronnub but .,. nrot• other additional dc:m:ullh fl'll4e b1 O..c:btt u tM lout 1-....ncc

Mr. lAWHM'r. S.t the«: .-as ~ttlii .. a.

~&. ltp.ll: The~ WU &grcema~L

Mr. lA•l"fttH: Whoq!X'ffCd it upl

Mr. Rtp•: Whi:1e ram dealing ""ill! bia ~o~nK I •ill not be dfiiYI<ll 11~ick b)' rnbbit ua<:b.

So•.e ho•. Mllfi•Mrs: H~t. be:tr!

Mr. l .. !lln~.et-: The t.i bc:n~l porly qrQueboO qucer~1 h up. th ~at If who,

1\tr. Rta. .. : I wunt 10 .p:y thi$ abo11t t h-e Ricbt Hon Ladct ut the ~hio•. I think. bC" mjcbc ha~e '-'l an •am:l'l~nt N.cc hiltk«y o( pttnmtnt b)' e:.p.tuLition U the w-.y lhoit aCttet~Wftt CIDIDid OI."CW, the uu.oimity covW t. a~ la t-..: ptoc:cM. lib: mion ol Ca..ada u a pcra,_.t •mons cquh ••Id ht'~ bem ~ and. ("'"CJ!CtUfty. Wltll an of tllc d•ff~ C!Oft)1it•tiolu:l provi$iom; in dtlrertllllt pi'CiriM:CS. QUr QCMIIIII')' YOU.fd ha\'t luft dtSlt'O)'td. fi b f'CIOOfd 111ilJI ru.pccl 10 lii:beriet. the off3bore, Alberta '-'Id 'ottcrlea s:hcrta'l th•t he b prep•rcd to Jive a •:ay almost a.n)t.hi"J. For thOie in hi• mnka who ate .wpp:trttf'~ or the ~h:u·ter of ri8ht$, I ·~~ure tl.em tlu1t hoe wl)uld h11.ve given in to Premier t.~on In the same wur m he aavc in on these other m.aueu and there would hll\' t been no c-l1arter of righa. Y~t. thl: rla:ht hon. JCinllcm<~~n .. "'ndt::tnn., in his re.m11rb our \Utwillin&JIC$11 10 4:UIIIinuc neao­Cill tinl • ich the premkn in end~ circla~. Uta: the. Vle11.na Con1 rw l11 N:11 pokon.ic times.

1t the COI'l'"itutional debate causes diril.ioiW i11 the coulltry, tlloK diwbiofts art fed by tJx: rigln lwn. tcMkmu, ft:~t llis pmc:.- OI'I"Mu:nitic:s lie QOC d .ccord aDd eoft.IMI!ll proctnl. Hit ~IUIK'a of polilial s.rvival Ita~ b«a fed ud noamt.ed t17 the: ~ lbl l.e a~ by tllis raorvuo.. fie. lws foolld , .... m..e lO be • llc&"'e8«1!1 (llliJOI'1.oity tO difkf ud d•tc. lO prt'ttfld aM prou:s~. H~ LftO'Ito'i ol the ttnppiag of f~ral p:~Wcn .• yel he ts prcp;arcd to )'icld r.n.ber f'l~herica 10 Ne•·ruuiMII•nd, of'fsborc tesour«S mdangeritll our lntema· tfwlll d1im 10 a 200-miJe litnil, SUpct tCIWMII'C(> p:t'tli~rl 10 A.lber111 nnd )'leld whate\'et 8cnnclt c;m think o( t l} ll,C,

I wttnt eo Mntrflllt t hi11, M r. Spaku, v.·itb lit~ l)(li:IIIOI\ or the. t u dc: r o( the N ew Oemootatic Party (M t. U11M1dbttlt). Otl Cllii rcsolutiOI, tht leader of tbc. NOP hliJ tu ken the hlah I'QIId, rite numbe'f'i of the NDP hii\'C: c;~~ed thcmKIVu 10 erlticisnl fur ,ll)i.nl II IQI\f, with the CO\'«flmc:nL What d4 t hC}' tl'l.ln by

Thr CotJStiJ~ttltHJ doing tbat? They e:a:poie the1rt~d\•d k l critk1i<im v.-bctl thc:y oould tab the easy ~lltfO, the oomfortnble; f!C"'<'• of 3 PQrty irt opposition b)' oppo~~ina nnd l>ti11g llgnlnst whatc'ier th.c ! Ovetn­mcnt pi"QI)QSt$. Uut I JtiUt:lil '"~' the difl'e«nct il; th~t the Lead« of the New Oemocnuk Party, with the proper reoog.ni­tloo ot ptir.elple • nd an ufldcnotflllditt~, ol tbe inlJ).)rt:li\Ce of IIUQnJ ~lnal 111\"c:rnmcnt, dti4:h.-r~ his respora.ibililic:s1n a. way that tbc: Ri&}lt Hon. Leader or the: Oppo;ltioo is not doin_a.

Tbue .., one othc:t .C-'IC1fl('flt nude b) the l,.c.adu of the Oppo&ibolll with • liclrt I -o-ld lite t0 deal. He: M)$. CrfOMio ov.sly. tllu ·~ate 4o&IO)i~tt thr tndicied cl cqealit) of tile: J,WOW'iKCS. I do 11101 •no- w1wfc lite laaJ ((111111! the llftlqnc: uereisc oi •• ,. ~ principle:.. lt is lniC- W.t all ~ eqot.ly shan: tk. ».MC tqt'bli.-co su1hori1y. 8u1 prOVii'IC.'d bave De.'I'CI' (»JUCh»tod (q•t.ll)' •n the fortn~J im.tillltioltl of the GO\•erM'Ient of C.ntd•. They ha"'e 1101 bcetl equal ill t.heir l'(:pN:St':ntallo., 1n the 1-t()I.IH o( Co1nnMlfl~, nor in tJ..e Stn11te which i5-, s_.pposcdl)'• the "'oloc or rrovincial in1ei'(;Sts • . Actl.lally. the Se.Mne iJ rou.a;hl)' di\·ldcd (<lut ••ays, bssed 1.1pon the re.gions or the:-country n!MJ !l(lt 1hc l)rt.wincc'- l 'he pnwlnc;c:,; ,.ra 001 r<:prCl;cntod equully ill the Supreme Court. They are nol n!prdo:fl ted ;:quail; lntll"' C1.1bino:1.

Indeed. lhrc: R.iaht 11911 I cuclc:r ur the (.)ppositioo • ....,ben he was prime: ntinistcr, did (l(ll ha~c: Mtnitobl. Nov:a Soolia «' New 8runSw1d re~~~~ •n hi,; in~Kr c:tbtMt. Vet he .-ow speaks. in &Jowina knnt o( the mcmkr from M-anitoba wllo was ill: llis abi_. t.t •» aot •MIIMkd in his iltftltt' c:abiMt.. Prorl...-ci b¥C ..u bMt trntcd equally. I tllmt yo. ~ DOC ftlld 1 fii'ICJ c:-.unpk of that

We shoold be tktcnnined to 1eu:wd lair- and c:quiublc lrCDI_mc:nt to all ~ifiOD., but at the: pmc rime lc.1 us nqC distort history 1nd pretend thlt the: premise. has been diiTucnt tb:l.n it hilL l1td«d. tl lt not thi'OOth our rcduttc>n Or our formul11 tbu.t d•ITc.renl tiM,;u of pro¥i,ce •'Ollld be c;:~tod, ILJ tbc hon. f.COtlc:m•tl ~loii!-&CS""· lt is by his Vanootwc:r formula that dH"I'~"l"Ctl l cl;u._-. .. "!l u( pr<wlrn:d would be: er~:tted, J(lfl\c • •h h entrcochcd ri#]IU. IM)(I't whhout and $001C with diffcl'\lnt CIOfl• SCitutiorutl prOVi!>IOIU ffOIII 011\tt'S.

The Lc:udc:r ol d1e Op~ilil)n. rCKI'te$ his mo$1 noltPI opposition for tbc proPQkd use of a n:rctcodum, n:tioo by tction.. Ill) bred;. a11 OfttOinl dodloc;l. bo!twust the J)I'O""I.nocs and ~ federal pcttiii'I!ICfiC I ftlld tiU:s 't'ttY ditTIQih '0 ~ bcaac: tile ..... ,. to brtat a de:!dlot.t. .. ur M">. hu bttn r~ 10 tAw Buthh p1rhamea1. Aflu p.ltriaJIOft tlu_t lnClhocl will be toM fot'C¥Cf WNt we Pf"OPO$C is tome­•bat simila• eo • Mt Allftnld lm. It has ooc. cbtf'O)'Cd ftdc:n.luorn in thal (II.)U•Ir): rathn,thdr people b;,~ shoo.on a judiQw~ 1bilily 10 blrlancc fcden1l and P"'''lnd;al ~l'fl.ltlk'ntt iolhe outcoiDC or rcrCJenda I rc11r hill rcp11gl\llnot of rc5(lf1 to t hi: pc:ople 10 brc.~~ k a dadloek indicates t.hat he does not tru~t t he poopJc. Putu.aps nl'tc:r 1 11~1 year I Cilln u.nd~r.U11nd wi ly.

The. -SSIUC p11blie d OOti C\11'0 lc.~l s or gO\-crnment. If Chl))e. two kvd$ ~n11<,C liMft<., lllil fl\lt kl!icfl l tG tescd~e the di!pUte b)' going back eo chose .Mn'c: dectoo from •·bom d1e lcg.ltlrr\:1.· cy ol both gove,not.enu •pun.;? Tbc Leld« or the OpPQ$iliQn AY-J th;at tile artc:rnuth o( tbi~ raolution. wliJ see us lookina at

77U COMMONS OEBATFS Mard• 1, 191CI

Tltt C.f.N'/Siitiiii.Otl

the brcllk.inJ of ~r re.sc:~tion. I SUJPIA that t.~~Quld be the: 110crmllth or tbc. course be \'1"3nts to fCl&low. Wr."" a .tomc­wh;u dirt~w:n t ;~l)umsth.. We sec an "htll'l\lt l• ol mllture. fcd<:H•I·ptoYincial neg<.Millti<tn£ of an <:YQI'I'inl oonstitution t.~olthOIIl ttlld.o-oiY blackmail. We ke· an llf'tcrm~,~d• of an 11ntcndil\l form ula that nukcs clear 1l1e protection ol JHV"in· cbl rlabU.. 111 aflermalll in whkb the prlncipleli of \."qualiza· tion, el J•n,pua~ ril)au and l11diu rigtlts are en~ohrincd for all ......

He ulb ol aftttftlalhs ud we pnwtdc a MlutiOII to a deacHoel of .SO yart. s.udy liW is the dLIIkilfe fill f'O""U"' II'IC'M. We ptOride tile pnxcctio.s Cltr J!C'OCik: hn-c c:riod fOf M a cMnct cl riahu- the ptOtCCtioM t~t ddq:ado• after- ddt­p doe pkllded for u tbcy appu.rnl before tlilc ~tit11tion;.al CIOf'l'lmluu. We orrtt an artcr~mth of .~utlility, for tood f~.IIICCS •n:l.kc fOOd nc:iahtNuB. u Robcn Frotl Aki. Good pnwitioo!$ mllkt Jood r<:latioM. While aiJ tbc W«ld it moYillJ cow11rd l"'rltt unh11, the Uader or t he {}flpQ~Itlon •041kt livt the Canlldlon ttcwemment le~s aulhotity th11n tlte Common Mllrbt hllll ~'tr t he sovereten $111ta or EtltOIJCI· Vc:•fll and yeau ul'tCt ttu: l.1tc Ma.rs.haU McL..uh.an 011tllned tbc glqb;•l vf1111ac, the Leader ol lhc Oppod1Lon • 11nt1 • C<lunuy where nocllinl hfl l>l'lf!ltS t:ll«pl by UJI.animil)-wbkh mc1111!1 dta1 ncMhina bappen~

Ye~. OiU viOOA ol Canacb u d of Ju ,.fat~ if cUfftrt:at. O...r Yition c:J Ca:nacb U: IOCW'C, m.ueb men. lbo the aoum ol iu patt.t.. 1 un eo~fte~mt that ovr visioo .;u ptCQd.

s.-r ..._ M4'..,_ Hct.r, Ita~ . (,., .. Hon.. C~ Hen (~aM); Mad:am Spcl:lkcr, I

•houkl hkc to c,,press my v.e:•s. 'l'try briefly, on the govern· mont'• prl)j~l to amend tbe Cons-til11tl\ln or (l&nl•d:l. As ~~ooe k.ww, the dclmtc· h.u bec:~t di\•idcd imo thrc~ nu1in pul130 flnu, brln&lut the Cotntit1.1 tion tCI Canada: &ceond, ;.'(Irking <Mil u IICY.' an~ndin,l rormula: and third, the inciuJiofl or U c:l~rtcr or ri,a}lta.

h l\a11 ~~" ckat from tbe $litrt of th~ debate that the OYtt'llhdminJJ majority or Canadl•n• t.~~'J.nt the Con•titutiotl btol!a•• to C:anada. $0 that 1tas n~~r betn '" i~~M~c.. l'he tn~te k thCI pia• ol tbt Prime Minincr (Mr. Tn~dca•) 10 a~ tbe &md:-. pwutl:tnelll to a.dlllefld (lllf C:C..•t•tiol ((K ¥$ by ct..-.J-a the •MCftdlna formab Uld ~•1 a dwter ol n.•n VIlli«- h.i p1u. u.e Prime M*«n httoch tllat "rs cou.MJy •bo.kl pap i.ft bud !0 tk Bntllb pcmment ud M), .. We arc noc capabk of ~die:1 our own C10mtit•ticm. .tO v.ill you pkuc do the job (Of us'? .. That iuotoolaJwn ortbc hiJti.:U order, and sbould nm ~ doone; b) 11 proud and lnd~ttde:nt nation. Wh~t t hQuld be do1tt: i11 1bis. Fin t, bfina the Conttitutioo eo

Canuda 11'- soon as po:s$ible, witltaut u\:1"8 tht: IJ ritiSti iJI.l\'Ctn• ment to umend il ror us: SCOOJld. decide in Pl&rlbmcnt, with a r~ vote, 'lll'bicb ~mc.nd.ing fottlllllll mteiJ thlf «mnuy'i oeods in the 1110•1 pacticaf and effective ma11nc1. third, decide in Patlutment, • ith a free \'01~. "h.ich meuum.tll®ld be ind11d·

ed io a cbllner or ritliU: 1nd r.,.utlt.. 11mcnd o•r q'lrtl., Comtitution.

A free \'OIC (In C!ll~h hllue wi ll m~kt it po;sible ror CY..:ry Member of Parl i""'~nl ftecly to uprn:~ the ~·kwsofc luu p1111 of 1he tountry ..,·hict\ h~ or "-lu: rc:pcts.tnts, and bllck u p tbol!e (,Pnions .,.·it h their w•tc, Thb will b;: 11 tJue t~prc::ssion of thcr wiiJ of tbc: C11.1'11dian people. 1nd d tbt. only • 'IIY 1lwlt an llldepeOOcnt. ~U:Ir•ref.:pcocli"f country can do Lbe jab •htch con:froou u..._

s-r ...._ Mf'~ He.v.-.!

IT"""i«*l i\ln. E•• at' (RI~i-Tf..iKouq): Mr. Spcoakcr, t~

pririkcc of nJina i,. thb Hou~ dwrirtt s~teb an tmp.wt;~llt debate in the history ot our C~CM~t'llt)' is a gn,t honour ti ,.'1:11 as 11 gr~.st respon~iblllcy f'Ot tbc SCQOnd time in tt )'tilr. I musl pc>ndc:r on tny count!) .nd find an answer a~ rttuch for m)-sdf us for my bmily. my .:hildre.n und 11!1 ~~ dtiunsof Rimouski· TCmiscooata who t111 Y~ fl~kcd me to rer.rcknt them her~ I IJo nOt int tOO to reO«:( tu:rc the•icv.~ or c;n:h l.lr my ooos.litllenl!l, but I thinl: (bll.t rno..:t or tbcm 11harc. rl))' fcelin, ab<Mu th~ natore or Cstnacb and "''hilt it ~ltlklld bt for our dnldrl!n. namc:ly a free cuuntry, a iVUC:tui'C!d. democratic and ind~l)!nd• CfUSUUC:.

f« ~lmc'St 300 yara. Mr Speak«. • -e have b«n worti,_, 'OSC'hcr IO blad a CO.I1ry. l....tia May ,...,_ the rc:{ftdde., wu, bdcl. like all Q. Md~M midiq ID Qucb«. I katd tnU)'

of my fd.,_ citil.cM ~' api• ucf •,plo tku C•aada if lite \.'Oilntry cxtcltdinJ from occa• to OCQn tllat we inhc:rittd from ou.r fllrefnthcn a few d.:ada or ~ntu.nd •aoand of which we num take~ cure. Throu,Jhout that yast territory, one fincb a land, 11 11ulliwMI, rivert and Cllllll1U lh:tt \If<: ri~b. (ertilc nnd lull l.lf rcsour<:d which have< t:n,1blcd e'cry Ca.nadi;~n rrom the very beginning t i) eatl'l a livh\g 111tll tO be fulfilled

Can11d11 i.i llllO a hosph:.Wc. wcloomin&, ;•Hructi\'t a•Ki h<:llrtY b.od that thoojnf'llb u.r "')' felk)w eitil:cni hav~ c:I)(Woen QVCr tlk' )'tan f« 1111 kind& or rca5011s n their new coonu~·. snd d l tOt,Clbcr. U!kin& one yca.r .. ;o, 1,nolbtT. • •itb sheer love. ,..,JJ. ptfte\'ctllnct aflod tokft.IKIC. •..: tl.ln" buih ooe of the fiJitl't

CX.Ultries i.n t'-t: ~ tftd i• todoiq.. we b'"Ccb'doped ~~ Mtioftal prick. We ha~ Hoped f)'ndds •hicb reflect todaJ 011r pnriamm ud our ftdtq. ola Mated f"uf"l'. thu n•hq an <.:•rgdian£ ak C•nad""• a1ilcMki,p. cbc (lllC'-k:rvnl l'tq aod 1hc: utio&tl•ntMm arc a1ud) che three mat... s,-mboiJ.

\fOfW'·cr, lit 1968, tftiCI« ~ifiClll)' Oil Oo:1olw:r 17, the Liberal &ll~ernmcn1 or the tJme intnxluocd lczd.latiiotl dealina with the ofr.ciul lllfl&.\I~ICII of C11n11d:l wMeh f'i.nally r«rivc.d royaJ assent on July 9, 1970. The .,oliey on bitingualillm h;,.d l.u be reaffirmed in 1~13 thrwah n rcwlutioo or the Ho•JJSc:, and I should like to .ltll)' fl fow ""'(W4b ;tbool the Off~eia l l.llng,ua,e.. Act. The Jxupruo ol thif • .._., has AC\'et been to:.1 to1tlp<:l a ll ~dia.u fr0111 ooe.u to coa5cl to be bil ina~o~n l , thlll isto say, to fiPCll k both F reDd! ud l-.11£1i&b. I I& purpose was iMtead 1.0

COMMONS DEBATES 711J

1nnl ris,h1s 10 1he CaMdjao pooplc. AI a rnaucr of fa.ca. thil ~~~ has rcqui~ tbc: Canadian &ovcrnment to provide all c_ 'un11du.n cili tc:fls with gO'I-ernment scn•iOCl in 01.0 of the ufrid11llan.suugeo~. cithet in fret~c-h or in EnaUMh, A•Mlth3t k 111~0 a 3{1j.nor &)'rnbol ol national unity. We lltill havt., ~'Cvu, 11 •tcp 11) l.ah . lb:•l i:s 1q JPve wr.scl~ a (-.)l\1dtl.nion mndc: by c '1uAdl;1n• (l)r Can:uli:an~. The proputed rewlutlon for the p:llriniiOrt ol th~ Rritu h Nqrth Amc:ria Act whloeh is now bdorc tht H<1use i..:tuda an amcndin& r-muli&, • chnner ol b!nk ritlliU aad (r«dom.t.. mlnority laA&;II.III rlahU jq well u the en.tm'lleb.tMftt ol tht priodpk o/ cquluat* to u to e...rt tk dlari•& of tk Cuadi:aa •ealt._

11 ill quite deu tlw • -c sllouJd Uve ow o .. C!Oitihhllioa la C&uclc a.U Membcn or Pa.rlia.._t q:rtt oe that. 11-'CVCT. •-c do 1101. t#fcc oe its ~ and tbe Jlf«<Idure., aDd I s.;llcMIN like to dell with this.. Mr. Spce_ker The ptCfiOSed 1unendl~tJ formul11 would require tile 11 IO"frnmen11 ol C•nad1110 IIJl.l« to an)'lmendment to tbe Cam1dian Conttitu· tkln within t•'O )~ts aner pe.uiation. OutinJ thll t~t~yeor period., tht!OC .tu me ~'<lrnm<:nt.s would have tO moet 11nd H)' to IIJrt:ll 01\ un amending rormula "''hich would be .w~thfAct<lf~' to .tll ot th~tn. 1(. ul'kr ,..,..., yc;n,, the fc:deu l 111\111 provincilll 410~c:rnntcnu llnv-~: f<itkd to 3grcc un an uppruprWttc fu~ntula, lllle C!lnlldlaft ,.. .. woulc! bt COn.iuht!d b) mi:lliU or~ tdt:· ntldum. A fonnub aJrc:c:d Of!l b) all pt'O'Itfteal wou.ld bt ••tltnlncd to ~~ Cua.dia.A pcopt.e. as •<"I utile rorm•ll bc:i.q pf'OpOMd .,.. by the Caucfja. Pftii~Mal, wflctcby .u aft"ld~ kt the Con.tit:atioft ._)d rcqt~in. tM CIONCIII o/ h•O Atb.nht JlfO'•ntas. Q.c:bcc.. {hltano, 1nd two ._,ern fi"'''tfi!OO. at: "dl at SO ptt C:t"QI v/tfw p:apuh.UOIII,

• •••Jfll illc: Pf'OI'CI$ed te!I!C.tudun 111~ indudl'i a Can&dlt.n charter or

tlt~.hb and furtdltntcntal l'rcedonu.. We all l:IIO'o\' thlll Canada •nd .:lllttll.ln l~n)l.'i "t<lt~ now hav·e a ciUtrtcr or r1.shls and rree· d(l('lu., but v.•t know as welt and many .sped:cu before tnc h~.~1! llltld iO, tbll. t tbe rights and frc:odoma or Cnnadlntut Wt":tt: trampled on voriooll occasions in tbiJ C:t)untryl&~ m11ny a( our (cllo• d ti«M buvc$ll1Tered 5Cfi<lus prejudM:c; _. llmd.

At to 11tc crot«eioo o( d te lmauistx tiJhlli ~ Cat1:a.cb's ftcnc:h •114 E"-"Wt miaonucs. (cw the: f'iM liN we tp'tt ill ._ ~re fwtd: Frmc:h cd..ueat.ioll -.ill be- nailabk 10 FmKiit ........... taut:lde tlrle Pf'O"'ilklt o1 Qtdlc:c. •1111 tile e .... l$ ..

IIIIMriiJ rt:dcii~t~ i• Qadlcc ril <:OeliniK tO fC' tfw DIM ~la othtt ..-ords.. tll C.uclian& U'""'*''hc oo-t~try. •hctbtr their mot her IOfttue li Fttneh Of Efl.l!)ult. v..1ll cn)O)' 1hc: ••me f'ir.hti and their owo langu.age ud euhu111 will be: rCSt)CCted..

IJ ~~ IIUI! t h:H t lte deci&iQO 10 Jti~JtLOlC:C M~(h t~en•i~ 10 htlg ll lllic nli ttQrilies will lta"e lo d<:pc:rnJ 0t1 Olllnbcri. but I lltink we 111 u~t Mve <:t.>nf"td'ence in th-e g(l(.ld fuhh oi l he lc:.Aden; we elect 11nd, 11bould tlie ll.'CC:d ari$c. the cilltc~M v.obo believe tltat their rlghli '1111!11!- \'iol:ned • 'ill h:u>c 1hr.1r d.t)' In court

TAt C4NWUII1iott

where judg"" "'Ill tvh! <1n lcan!llli'-c meal)lln:::f nd actlc.lnll l:tkcn by t.he prnvtt.cl~l ndmin~f11tiQI\S. And fin;. fly tlle pro• pt)*d ooasthut~ i~ :ailll«l 111 !OIIncti()tl int; the prindplc: o.f' wdlltb ~hllritiJ, n:uutly cqu, lulltktn. l<t us retail th11t ttOl !4tl ~«>' lOt!£ ago ocrtain rc~lotu ol Cnn.td~ wcrt: facing ~norttittutl difficulties and they wero ~Cntrously a.histcd by othet tCjl;i<lllll or Caooda w·hich today rind themselves i.t1 a ptttatiout) position.

&cr«e equalization came Into kiQI the Go"etflmcl'lt ol Canada toot .steps, to lklp tile pn:winc:W p~ Atn011.1 OlJier dRnp kt tJt mcCKiolt <MII,J tbc .ad'rul of medicare i• 1966.. A.r.. cr.c Ml .. o~u of Ubow (Mr. ltepo) llll4. ab• ~en tbc ptJ1 o( the c.aac~ ... pc:mol(lll wu irKICI!dcd ao bdp JI'O";adal nthoritlc:t tbt'OIIC.bOill Ca.naN <Jfl'c:r all cltiu:n• the umc hallh kr'fica re,prdlef;$ or thci1 r-m.~nc:ill ~~;it~~.~ttion. And e"'ll'tt on •l*th "" imponant qbjed, on """~· thlo~ which is so IIC«tl~IY to I he: -.-cl fare or C:lnadi.anl', tl WJI ' not easy to reaoh aarec.nent and we had to watt u1tlll 191! to see 1"111 prO'o'ltlce! at lai l join thiJ i tuur:~nCt· j)lll.n.

If J dtOOJiat 1t wM ncc~!ltuy ta mcnti~t Utc C:u1:11dlal'l beahb insuranoc plan (or whkh tbc fcdcr:lJ &Oio~tntnctll JXlY'it bal( tbe C10Sl5 8nd which it tldministercd by till! provincial ~rnmC:JtU, aOO tO refer to the (\ju~.ljzatioo Jlll)'meou which ·~ ~ho made ditcaly 10 thotic ~me p«<'fi~teial covc:rllmc:nu by t he: feder11l IU"'trl!mcln altd whk.lt bqu aft« 50 tnaDJ yau ol ~ 11 k ~ cmpllwize IUt fcdcnl·~l ~tioM arc ecorct cur cw• U tile t.o lin'll'k ol pcm· ~~ay lltcy wut to •ork i••lrlt bal lntntSUol Canadsaa. Now •lu.t abovt lite doc:ack$ tJI d~ •hose ·~ parpo6C ftllo $«\\re • Ca11adiaa CCI!stitutioe ~u -.tuc• led to a deadlock as • rc:.~Jh of local intrt!Uts a11d dc:la)'$?

Should wt rollllnue ll~ doebll tl!' .,·itlt the illusion dtJtl 10-c wtll acbkve unanittiOI.ll II£.U.-etnetll in thst field! Mr. Spt<.tktr, the )'tar 2000 will soon be upon '" 11nd y,•hco our chi.ldtcn rtad tbe bi«ory of Canada will l l~y unden1mnd our bcsita tion~. evctl our wed:nc:s.s.. in our quc:~t (or a solution to that natioiL'I I ri'Qbkt:n w,nd our will to~~e it'!

Wi:ll tbcy und~uuand tl\)1 each and ~~~try time a Ubcntl p-c:rn.ment propo~~cd noocdtd 11.~ uving mcnutts (ot C.u:~.d•· an:s. the olf.c:ial ~"e COftSC'tvatiof~ oppas.itioft ttj«itd them" In lbc: PIM• • ben tk tii'I'IIC a.me to cive 01ttscf\.<1 s)mbQI$. ~ &o k proud ol WNdra u CuadiaM. for iMtaJ~a"., the C.ud•n chift'fttllip ud tltc: ~n~plc: kaf fbs, tk offdal 4plp0Sftto. modltd ttaem. TOIIbr. after lta'f'iaa m.ack ~tty dl'Of1 to come to •• aycemc::Mt wrtb tbc pv-i.dal gDVIl"T'nmtDCI to hart~ our "«)' o--... ~na.di~n CQn5hiU1.M.lfl. Yo-bicb effort• c.mc to nuaht beauk the: prO"·indal gvt'll'rn• mctus lhiok they caP bc.tltt pl\ltl't1 lht rlghtl :1nd fretdom!l eH Call!ldjan~ by oppuiill& tl~oe ptOpo60I. it takt:s 1he Llbe-1al gO"'ffnmenl oomide1ubk: caurasc:-whic-h is nothing new- to go abend and aa. Mr. Spcu.kcr. The treat pages in C.an1dian bts.ory were wriuen by t.lbcrul JO"ernments. led by 1nen o( duty .111d arcut &enc~hy. Mia.ht it be t~t bcc;Hl$C of the

COMMONS DEBA'T'ES M~rd12. 1911

T/;r Cocstituti(M

iutMIIt)' ol the official OJli)ClldbOn to uMentand 1hc. CaMdJan fact. IO &Q•~r clle upirstions tithe Cao11dh11'1 people. and to promote the policies needed for itt fulfilmc:nl, the P1ogre11Sive Con\ervad~· PAn)' has genc~IJy b«n wnOncd t<l chat role. u~ut or tho op~il ion?

lr we 1111 wish out dtUdn~n tg efl.ioy a beuer future. a jus. wotid where ~ryooe •·Ill ~ve the l>pponunity 10 develop fruly and ~ about without mtrictiom.. a ptOdurti'I'C and M•Nhlftl& canlil, a.nd if • ·t: aU wish the flt:ritoJ,C: wbkfl was mtnaskd to 10 ud •hidl we: WU ltraw 1<0 &ea,..,. to ow lilcin to '*' fnak. dct "' lu'I'C the riP• k) kt mt:.i• lonl $1*iaJ iaccrau ~it GWS- -.r aatioPal illlcraut Mr. S,Obr. I bd~ dUt we ll:a'f't: rcxt.d tk point ol ao ret•ta. aad llllf"'C $IJIICICf'd)' aad fralttt~~.Dy an q( my ~IIICI• oa both s&&s ol the llc,.te, to liuppott thit dkntbl propo&~l

In cto.ln1. I would like to ret:all the •otdJ of the lllc RiJhl I lull. Jul" Uau. wbo staled tbe followhta In hl11 lntlaUation ):pooclh 01t Januar)' 1•. 1974. and I quo1e:

Wh,t a.n •t ,.,. C~Midl""' Oil I 'IlD! C'ko ~ ludoatj!U •h" (l;ur '"•'­IOt ..... lllf u •l Ll!llrioo.os chks. f fn.tw.•l el.,_.llllltlll ,. • .,.,. 111.,. will hnc r..~tiiiiUrto pb.:lt: tk r.,., "*"~· allbor c«tmohrc•llull. Mlllln1 •nlud Ud PtOIPfNII• \ltlllll l), loo • """" itrj0$ic'o: 1101ol ~~"·

Ub him, Mr Speaker. I would 10 oo to aay '"-' If, it1 t11ot )'Ciolft t.o eomc. I nn be .-.$$0Ci;ted whit tiiCII 1ft ultdcrtak:ii'IC. C"CI i• • lhilldfta apKi'ty, I ril ki](IW tbt n:tY mb:J'- wiiiiiiOC .. "' btta 1ft ~la. UU odtcN.. I wUI haYC: ._ '"Y .,_ to work lurd a..t steadily as a ~ A .. a~t.-.-,... •hllc .ciCOIIIC)i..:hifts tlltili missioft. I will luwe W ia mi.S the qttatiol, aibd by halthc: ;~plllk: "'Wilo pw )'011 .-pcriority owr e4hcn? Wha1 dini.n-.pisbes )'01 from t.hci otkrt'! If )'00 ha¥c I'C!Otlvcd evCI)'Ihil'lg freely. • •h) botit about it 1.1 thouj.h )'OU bod acquired it throuth )'OUr O'A'n df(lrt,?'"

IE•SIIJAJ Mr. U•n Nkbrsoo {Westtrn Arttlt}: Mr. Speaker. tin t I

wn.IH 10 oornpfltn~nt thl! hon. member fur Rlmoul"ki·Ttmis· C®llll (Mrs. C6ti) whl) bll$ j\lsl finished •pcokii'IJ. h i' tbc fiNt dme I ha~ heard her spe-.1k. I know how tlct®tn h ht th:l t t.;bc:r•l bsclr:'bt~lw:rs hue an upportun.ily 10 tpcllk in ch.is H\MIJC, I lutcncd to tile boiL member '"Y arcf111ly atld I com,.lmcnt Mr on tht- litloOtrity ol hfr ttMlU"b.

5.- ..._ Mr~~Mn: Heu. beat!

~11. N'kt~ lt ~ .:x p~Qwre atloq lul 10 •1• few wordJ oathc M\loJC'C' of~~ Caaadi .. Coftlitthltiol.thc CoeuJ .. tut!Ofl ol our bei~'Cd OOUfttry. So far, I tllinl. •'C can llll.lfliC on t.IU!t. Unlike 1t1mr o( m)' c:olleacuCJ oo the oppothe aide. I 1nl not pe.rt lcul~rty dif.m<l)'cd that after a mere 11• )ltaH we ha.,. not yet f~>~nd tbe perfect Connitutiol'l, 111e 1o01rch r~r u j'lc:t(I!CI (;oMtitution is. SO!J)(!dl.ing fi1e a 3t:~teh for the Hc>a)• Omll, To tl.e .:onttnry. I em ratb« p1011d th;at Ou•• Con.1titu· tion ~~~ 'A·riucn by the Fathers o( C<W~ftde1111lun ~~~ IU C:h11npcl ftOM dme 10 time when found n«c:Mit}', hat ICI'\I«< IU rerl'lrutably wc:ll o"'er tbc: yean on a«uu.nt or its Ocdbllity.

iu aoderlyin.a prJ!teiplct eA fllllhtnl juJ:tice 11nd free pu rliame~~· ULry democ.:rflt:J.

e (I. JO)

Man is a lii.ICial •nd pofhiclll animal who has org;.nlt,t:d himself iJtto states 1nd natlotlli fot t lt(lu~•ldf: of )"eil.nl . H e bill~ yet«) dc~lop in 11ny country oltbe- world tbe pc:rrc:o;t Ct>Mtitll· tioo. As a.n llluatution or tbls, I wooW like to tead a few quotaci«<J from Atit.tode who 11tlllficd this pn,lbkm $1C¥enl tbou$il.lld yara aao and wtotc ht tome dcph oa lh.is ruau~r lrt abou.t 350 B.C. Solnc of lltit vb~ 1re llS up to cbte: lcl4ly a..­whm Lky wtte rlt"M wriUcw. Ari:5a~k.. of ClC*IrK-.. Q.t a CIOOi5&:fttiooal Ulialet •"ho. iD tile Clflilioe of..._.,. nt~...._ ALrpasscd ill iMdliJ(ttOC C¥CII 111tc rlpt e-. member- for Mour.at Ro,-.J (Mr. TNdcn).

So-.c lto8. Mc:llllxn: l lcar, beat!

Mr.. Nid1erw-: Prtu;tkmlly C\oerybody V.'OUid a,tttce th:al l te was superior ill hi~ oonce-pl of pnUtieal honti"ly. 1' hc fir8t qut~U~tion I ha'"e I; I& dennhl~>n or ··co~tiiUiion··, wbic:h Arist~ tic hc:.ld to be: -th: am.o~n,.oot • hk ll ""W' ... ,. ftr ~~ ·~rilo\11\i\Jfl ~ olr~ruJ ~r pto'll'fl ud (ur lhc •wnni...,tk!n ~ -l'lit-fy ud of the •"" •ilK~ tfl( . .,twit Nd~tt (qlqf.'lo«.t_ in eedl ~JC'. "'""' al nellltit~l

If w.t uatnloe tiM: cOMthutloul pro~l before llJ in t.he light o( lhCfC three •nribu«a. 1lilc dlances wllkh tbe Prt• Miai.ster -wkl force •S'O'I Ca•dians bttomt quilt tvidrnL I ut ooc ~ •b~M. t.he nu:u.er et p.Urbt& £ycrybody wa~~t:J tU.t aad it it ct•iM N•pk 10 aoc:omplisllt.. Tbe eutat way WOIJid lu.w been. • hea thlll.adct of tbc ~ (Mr. Cla:rk:) mowd • cnotiooft NI too ~on:, .aeo m thd HOU$C &kat it be doo<: immodi.tlc.ly. ror the Prime Mittister 10 ba"'e avctd and '~eel i.n ra.,.our of it, I am not talking about that. V.'hat I am t.a. IU.ng about IK the • ·holoeu.le eh.-.nget> which tlle PritM Minis:ter 'A'WJd ha~ the British parliament 1na\:e for Caoaclian$.

FirSt, with re~pccl ICl thc !(NI olthe .soc.inl oomplex, hereto· fore i:n CanadA that pi hal UliUlly been tbe m~:d•nl:tlna or indiVidu.aJ liberty. Howewr, Ultdtr 1be pnll{l(IQb. before ~~~ h wou.ld bc<:ume: the tubord/nutlon o( !be c:itilen to th-e $Qtc, To putt h-e PfOpoKd c:tu&.ncr in10 be-Ins woold ~uire a whok hoe.t ot stf*.'t t111itt ud rqul;altOflll cnftwud by the st;atc upon t!W: citinonry. ~oad. with tep.td 10 ~~ di:ttriblcjoo of $0nFtipl). die

disuibutioe •Ilk:~ •c .._vc la the prcscat kdctal S)Stca ClOidd. a.ftd 1 d1ln\ ....,.kl, be avrtccdly cSantcd- "1'k ICOaCltpl tbl ·~ U'I'C m ea ... tta ., tk ~· tiJM u chat ~~~~~r it diuribukd •MOitl ••d ..-.cl ia each Cuadis." cititta. Sol.'tl'· dsnt)' i$ cxcrd&ed b)' dd,dlll belch at the pt'O"indal levd, thol;e ptN q( the C~.Jt~ntry fOttunalc enough to be arpoi(ed into ptO\'i.n«J, a.nd al the. federal k:"'c:l . Each one of us by 10 dimibudng his ~hnrin.a enabl~:~~ 1be federal sym:m 10 •'C)fk rctt.sonobly • ·ell in n wuy 1h11 bctil .il'tve$ our own in..th·idulll interesu..

tlo...,ner, I fear 11 c:bunae tO a i ~·.ttem •·bere SMerdjJnly becomes vested not in the citlzcnry bgt in the st11tc. ~nd wh_crc

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tlw ( ltiJ<.JI.1 •.nd llle p,roviDCQ bc<omc: tmuc!ltcd and ui:n toiMy 11.1 li\IJII)(II"I the f«fcralg.<m-Nuntmt, Thl.lt 1, t he '-"llsc in !IIIIIIY ~~ei.atist ri:publks Ufflund t he world. If )'OIJ cymine the ,.lltJICII uti~Wiill pnu:tk e or ~at~ in ~s-ttl'n EutOpe. ~ou lite thu tlltly fit lntQ that mould or category.

n,\, llame applies l't'ry much to t ight& 1111d r~doms, Tbe '""''.,."'i: IIC • hic:b sppca~ it1 t he r.sol .. lion luurt-ly that tht SlaLe k !hoc ruunt or 1-IJ r i&}l tJ a.nd freedoms. Tl!i1 I' contrary and l•u•W.I &o CaWia.n put ideas. onec thll I hold pt...UC.la.rJy ;r-,,.-, ldca.t tQ.l it is tbe i.nd:hid.ul w1to illaatdy the ~ M IR~Cdomt ud il a the- $ti.lC w1tidl is 1.0 be farod ataU limes ,., tk •eapmt 1~ of o.r l»Jic II•~Mn ripu ud '~ I .-it r« bad to t~ q.udoe ol ,.pu ~..cl frtto­•lfnll• lllllc: b.tc::r.

l..ct In( "'"' eu.mmc the tlti•d auributc, tbc di•trit>ution or utfk~ or power, With tbc USC of t he rtferndiUil, a sitnflar t.,llt.,tlhllional dcvkt. I fear a c.h;~nac in the *"Y in ... h.ic.h

IIIJ~~>'cr 1111d authQrhy is to be c,t«cikd In thit country. Thi! f"•t or what might bappcn is a.ppar-ent 1(1 the proviMt!l which

~oould llhlnd to !.~c mucfl of •heir autonamy 111ld bcoome ll!\'ft:ly #dmini3trntil•e units ...-Jthin the foderal buf'tu uer.aey. M••• or the•n. if not all, an:. pr!!p.'trod IO 10 10 u.tretnc IC:IIJH~ 14• ~~ 01) llllf Trudc., u Cli.IIJ$t·it utionaJ atc:amtolltf,

We eu lee how U.e P'f'OYi-nc:e$ .1rc rc:ac:~t"' to 11\ia, They af't .... •hckpl•~\leSopto to tbetn. It d noc•mprob.tbk thlt • <" ••lllft--1 would hau 10 .sec tt,. a.t it K!dM tM proriiiCC$ • •11 be f4f'«d a.fiiO it-tile provifiCa hawiflc lO fMl:e • 4it«t ~t.atlo. lo tltc Britisb: n1horititt. h d t«riWac that l1lc fflkBI pw•mMt st.o.W tom: them iMo tla.t pn:dk.uxnc.

Ap;.~M trom the Ios$ of autOft«t'J)' ot the P'i1¥1~teu. I tear a ~it) or lndcpende...cc- for instilu:tk!n~ ·~~~ .1 univcrtitia, tbe bclnch, the bu~lneu community. tlle ans aftd cuhtilrol oocnrnu· Juty, Thnt hu3 beco 1oin.g on fo r son~ cin•c. 1'1My IU'C bl.-t:Qm• l n~t more u.IWJ more unde-r the innue.noc and contNII Q( the \cntr11l g<t'o"'i:.rnnH:n t. I ( we are not Cll~ful , we oou ld end up •lth one l 1q~e. hieta.tehkal di~tributioo ol i)O't'·~r ''~ u.utbor· uy ln ~tcad or wha1 •-c h.wc M prescnt-t lar&c numb« o1 u• •~ •locklng 11nd a~o~tonomoos organh:adon.a,

My 1«10nd qi.KlCe fr'Oib Ari~>t.otlc iJ ., fouo .... : Ill t..t }, """""'. I f,)'SIC'III .,.......,_ "'too& ChJ ....... oo1JI ~ ....

....... ...,.., ll&l1ilw .. ,a •hu .,. ..... .......,.

lttrc ·~ ... lk ctnineol t.hifttcf J.b poiflttd to • miJOf thmattt, •ltb tM: c.ha.nca ill lhe ptop::llill befOre ... lt is: •u«cptabk M tM ptOplt o1 Ca~Ud:!. ;~.nd, thcrcf«c.. divis.vt.. r!w Const11•110n Jhou;ld be U ift:scr•tncnl Of ••tly (Of the l'~lc or lllc n;ation, btu thos.t opp»itt ha.,c torMd it uno u ln,ttumcnc of diS'Inity and diviilh<!lenM , Formd' S!~en:r.tor l'•)rMy, •hQ if 1t01 quilc u otcf a3 Ari310tlc, never tjrn; q(

utins t hllt the most Jmpoctant thin& about 11 <:ofu tlurtion i~ ll•111 ft llhOilld be. a ncient. I 1118J'ICC with hltn on thtH KIOI'C.. A •'~~~• ~th iiiiOfJ ~houtd be oomfonable and UflJllurlnJ. 11 should JIIIC be the Subject lO cl!an~e b)· I he whint or 11 1)(11'o'crrul r11ler. lt ~h(H.Ild ~ IL•td. and t0115titl.l,ion.IJI (blln.&d 'bould onJy be Jll,ldCI orter l'CCf ta.refuJ «JMidttatioft.

• IJ&*J)

Chan,ees in 1he u.sdul utLt ond t«:ltnolo{!y e u t and should be made quid:ly. Jr w~ fit1d ll beuer w:iy l>f m.1kin;g t n ~niJillC 'a' an tluiUmt>bifc th111 JCIII twk:~: the p5 mileage, t hen we. should uc!qpt tbat way qukkly. Ttuue is no doubt ~bout th.at, Uu1 when o..c is t lllnkin' llbcxlt u oountty'J Cl)nJiituUon, even i t 11 d1ang.e 11ppc11~ 10 be dcs1r•bk oo the fac.:e o( i l. l~l'e &trould be iOI»e rcluctanoc In aca:ptlng h. Bl'Ca~ we m~t rJOt se• ill10 llle habit or ellif ehugc and h~bitvaf llmpcrifll .. ·ith I he runcbmcfltalbws of tht C'OIJDtry,

la my ()fliftlioft. duqM of comtlhl~ •re 1.0 be fa~ like t.br dcYd and at'OWcd lll:e the ""'ve. («tU "'tfl t'OSOII! tJQt an}"'OC who dt3-cu tic: O:IM&i•••* oace h.u dcmcftst,.tcd t)g_t ~ h;u the po.cr to ch.i'lp: it apio q lbc futlltc: aftd even if you clo aaree witlt ~~ first eh:a~ )'01.1 eu1 never be sure about the ~econd.

I prum;..cd thltt I would ~turn to tlle qu~tioo of ri&hcs nnd fr«doms. 1t would be my prdtrtJn:~ that ooly 11 aeM:ral reraenw 10 tl•c vuriuu.~ hnm~nc aod fundamental ptineipkt oo .. ·hich our Consthutloo .-hooJd be based should be wrltt~n as a preambte to the Con~thutlotl. 1'hc: (.(u:lsti lution should 00(1/i~e lt.'ldr lnrscly to uutlinana tbe mccban.i'm by • ·hich the JUr t e is to opcta tt

By tl)'ing 10 earnnt~ l lillt <Ahllu.Mivc: lu;t or ri&bli .oo froc· doms to paper, • c: rvn the rb;k of two da~ both of ._tr~h are so~~ ;., ahc ~ ~•tic. bdOR" allc HOUJoe at the ~ t.inw. fir-.1. we .._w omiwuoas tnade: eith« ddibcf.. atdy qr-~an11. As Cuadiut.. lftdtt Old' ukli~~& ..,d ktJdy •••-rinm CMsc,tutJOII • t u;,r all tllc ha$IC n1hc11 aM fl"tedom¥ which ft01 plOI)k thould IN."C. f11: Codif)iftl llK:K, e~o·eo i£ ~ Qtt':HII phruc i5 i.cft«<. sotl"'l!' are boand to be excluded~ and tl'l fulurc, the ~.:ourl't of the cQUntry, whic.h will. under this l..ib«nl proputol, ~ the ultimate arbtter& of our rights ~nd lrl'edonli, wiiii4Hd)' hold 1h21 it i.1 t.hc lc:lh:r of t he b•• dl3t tountt, 11t1d 1111y tighu. nqt pc~>perfy delincalccf In tire \'r1'itt.:-n forrn in 1111 proOObUity never c.xistcd in d1e ll r~l place.

I think it rnia.ht 1d:e 110m~ clmc: ror that rramc of mind 10 corn~ upon the: OOUJt&; but there is alwa)S • dan!a th11t it might. As an uampte or a dtlibtrate e:~~clu5ion in lbe prop:"AI. •·c: can f:ite Pf"'PUU1 rlPtt A nw~nber or rnt.m.bert htve a.ln:ady spotm Oft tht PfOPC't1) ri&hu w.~ J 1hink it iJ tO

dporu.aa lbt it bQn rcpc:.at1.,_ We are ~ltiq aboltt tbt rit.htlo IJold .... rr~dy C'-"}oy911f oq propcny. atld 801 to be dq:ri\~ t.kml( U(ltpt tAro.p dllt prOOd.Sol b • . Q( a;llllftc.

ocu- tod:lli:st rric116J ~kc •od lo "'' kft do DOt berin"e in ..... Aa •on, Mt•Mr: 9akktd.ub

Mr. Nitht'S(IIJ: lt l3 not bltlderdu.sh. I Qn aiYe many examples where mtn1betJ opposit~ have said c.hat very thing,

A11 fM.m. Mc•btr. Allk D1ll Olll'b ho"'· he .s t.tnd$.

Mr. Nlektr .illeC Jn their thinking-and tile'}' ha\"e said this many lim~-llld Jlllrtlcullf b.nlc hwman ritht can be s:u,yir•

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Tltt C(NtJt /tutftm

iced in lite intctest of the. JUJIC't:mJII:y at the :st:~te ur :some other socistist virtue. The fight to hold property. to enjoy proputy. ~ bcir~g clelibenttcly left out of thd proposal both by the NOP members in t hls House and by the Liber.tl mcmbcl'$.

l.ct us loc.* at &Omelh.ing that tniglu ba.ve bt.'l!"n ld t oot inadvertent!)'. As a c11se in point. I ,.,'OUid like t<.c:ite en ervsion of a ftCl.-"<<<lm th:ll i:s CQntin~U~IIy oocurring uOOer the present Prime Mi.nister and has beet• &..,ing on {qr ~e ti~. Tha.l is tbc right I<> m:1ke one's lirinp. by engaging io the t)'pe ol eoonamlc ucti\·ity that ooe-..-·is~. As ao eurnple of this, 1- or an)' mcmbe-.t in this House. f(•r tl-.;'11 m:&Ucr--am furbid<h::n by lsw to mll.ke ~ lh·ina M a lisb merchant in the Nortbwest 'rcrritories. I am fotbidden to buy fisb fram the fMtc.rmen and .sell them to re-tail-erS or wholesalers, and that is bccallSC th:n p:utkular fidel or OCOJlomic acti 'fit)' has bcetl eJCclush-ely ~efV«<M .a Crovm moOO(!Oiy. The government h11$ t.1kc,n clm.t right away fro•tl ull :~nd gi,·c:n it 10 tbe Crown as a Crown ffiOn<lpi)ly.

Simil3rly. if Pc!~l.\nad:t Wl!fe to becom-e the eJCclusi ~--e in'lporter and nportcr or peuolwm-and that is a course or nctioQn lldvocaled by the NOP which h:u bci!n talked :dlOul in tbe Hou&e oo mar•y occasic.m11- my ri&Ju to make a living as an ir'ltemati<ln:tl qil tr.tder ,.,"Oll ld be aal:en away {Nm me. :\t thil point r do n<M pattiet~larly w:1nt t()cmguge in thpt "'''ivity, I am <juice bapp)· :u :e M.:mber qf P11tliamen1 11nd e)(J)«t to 1x: f Q for m:111y ~f$ to come.

Sonte bott. Mc••hnl: Hen . bear!

Mr. Nid;ClrsoG: HOWe"\'et . should I wb h IQ be<:Qmc un oiJ uadet , my right tO de.> $Q wi.ll be taken aW*y from me if the prvJ)()$;t:l.s reprding Peuo·Canada are put into e.ff~t. M,. ri3l11s ~~o·ould be. IOt:dly ne-gall:d in thlll ~tren.

A second d:cn_ger Is that rights impinge ooc. oo a nother: Cor ella.mple, on-e's ri@bt to frtt spo:o.'Ch, and f>nc'IO right nQt to be slandered. an eumplc: tlut U quite rn:quently .c.iven. Limits ab<l hll\'e to be uttac.:b«< to all rigbl$: for a..ot~r exllmple th011 I give frequently is the. risht to "''Qf'$hip (tud in any W\\Y that you wisl1. Th:et ..-·ould tieem to be a very basic rigbt alld one that $1lould not be touch«!: but tbctt ue oln·io~,~s limjts to that particular right. Ob"'iou11ly, yo1.1 canoot kt poopk: en&&ge in J&um;~n. JS;u:r((ice, C-'((:n if )'Ou have a -.·illill& victim: w~ mullt dra•· a line so1newber-e.

Because. of the f~ct chat ri3hts impinge one on anoth« aod must be limited in .SOOl~- "'tlY. the cOOirteatiM, in tt")'in.& to delineate and define each :~upposcd right IJ00 to aoc.:ommod<~tc :~11 the ~ariou.s ''iC'I''$ and interprctati<lns put forward. ~es so '~''Of'dy and complicated 1.b:1t nObody re;aUy uodcrst~nds what is S3Wf. One end~ up v.·itb a c.:OJistitution-iC )'OU try to ptlt tv~r)·thlnJ! in-about JOO page11 thick. A oonstitvtiM 11hould really be somechini simple, 110meth in~ tbal C\--erybody ean ltnderstand.

For tbesc I'CIISOIIS. rights in the Confti tut ll)n llhQuld o nly be thi:n: in th.: fqrm or Jtnerat principles. and definitions ofti$bts and Crccdoms should ~ dc:llt wisb b)' formal purli.1mcnt.11ry leg,isl:nic.Ht, The proposal that we haw bcf«c us makes all tbese errors. In '"Y ()j)ini<m it ~(:.e.' t~o f;u ~ll t<) be mon:

()(W&o!erl\ed llbo\lt the etiSbrincment or admir.'lisHal ivc p1XICC• dure~~ I hall aOOut the prcscrvati<ln t>f a Clln.:tdi:·ut fr..'C liOCicty.

• l!'f<l)

In talking about en:shrin.ing ad m.ini., tmtive proced11rc~. wouJd like. to gh·e. the exampJeol' the reference in tbe p~cd CoA$ticution 11) cqu:aliz:~tion payrnenu. In 1981 tqualirattnn JX!.)'menu arc a good idea. We all liUPJlOrl eQ\Ittli:ustion p.'l)'·

menl'l, but I lwt&~tl)' do IIOl know whe-ther I '~'"'IIId W:1tll tO put 1hat ptiru;:i.ple intO <I'll cl)fl~lituiiun . 11 j,; lUI :ldmin~lr;&ti,•t tnllttet which is applicaWc at this point in time, but d{) ~·c reully wunt it there Cor 200 ycaD to oorne? I do 1101 t ]&ink: ill),

I ..-"OUid 1fke no.,.· to say 11 fc•· words about m)· O"Wn part of C:cnad.a. tM· Northw~t Territories. I made a bficf hsdircx:t rcferen<;c to tbe terri tories ~ few minute.~ .ll81l whi:n I ref<:m;d to the people ..-·bo wer-e f<lrtttR!Ite enough to l i\'C in proviDCt$. but now ) wouJd likt tO diSCIIlS the. ttl'titor;c~ ill a li ttle ti'IUf'e

detail. Sometiu)d I sit ln this Hoosc of Commoos wittl 11 rather

..-·istful 11adness 11.s m)' friends frvm Atl:~ntic 0dn:"lcb c'cbutc -.•hether the proj».~td Constitution or the Ri.,eht HOJL Prim-: Mini~ter would r-ele$,3te then' to being second~lass citittlt.1 in tbCoir own (:()lJJllry .,·ben they oont:ider -tllc.:h thing.s .11-5 u vdo tQ be given t<l Ontatio a nd a veto to be gi\'Cfl t~ t he pr<Wince <ll Quebec in p.:rpctu.ity. M)' frieudi fru.-n t ho: prairi<:$ oomflkr tbcir rate to be that or thjrd-c.:lass citi-z:cns or tb'i$ country. I k.n<l"'' full well wh:u ~~o·ill bappea to the 75.000 or so souls wbo m;ake their h<)mei! in the htcU nt>rdu.:m tenitori~ of t hi-1 ooontry. I b ow whu will happen to tbem il5 ll rcsuh o{ the prOJ)(')Ii::lft Yie have before-us DOW. Wbat i:l oomemp)atod in tbe­druft before us i5 an enucnc:l:lmen! 01nd .,., ctt'lhrinemeol fote'ftr of the subscr,•ient. inferior and less than prcwincit~J lll:ttu,; of the N<trlh.,.'t:$1 T~nitorieg l'ltld the. Yukoo Territory. We do not even .,:t a mention in the ;m)(ndi n& rurmulil . We are to be virtual 1100-<:itizcM. \V e. are Mt 10 be second~l~s...,

citizen::~ or third•cl.1$ll ~iti~cru of thi-1 oountry but rirtu:~ l oorrcitizens.

Mr. 1\h,)·er. Non•uillt~lll dtit.eM.

Mr. Nkkei'SlOfl: Und~r the. proposal before IUS ~·e will ne\·er uchicve ptV~·inc.:i ;~l $tutu~. Unlit:e e\'ery otber pr()'l'inClC in Canada. we will nevc.r oomtoi our own resource:;. Under tbese prof)C6als w.:- in the n.ctrth.:rn ttrthOtie:~ will ,,e~~r <:Ontn.>l our 41111'n l rve~.

My good fric•~. tbt bolt. se~tstor rcom the N<lrtb~~o'eit Terriw ries, hoW$ thi.$, llt'ld :u 11 eiti7;en or wh:d I ~sider to be an important aOO integral pan of Canada I .,,a$ proud and oon!!ldertd myself wdl represented ~·ben Senator Ad.1mll :.pi)ke out und voted <tgainst bi.s own Lib-er.•l 80\'ecnn'<:nt wh«~ this matter w:tll (ir$1 diM:ui:Scd m tl~ <ltbct H<ltrSC.. This shov.'S us that at least one or two Uber1l$ 11~ not lil;e-JSheep r.:<1dy to be led to the staug,httt by the inoons..idctate ar1d inoompetent shepherd $Q fili i or hiJS own impc:wlllllot that he will t<ller.tt~ nothing less than blind and ,s.en·ik obedience.

1'he C<JIQniulift menllllit)' ..,, tbe Prime Mlfliste.r. which is disp1a)·ed in his efforts 10 h;ave the Cam.J.di<'n C(lflstituti.c.m noc

March 2. 19'81 COMMONS DEBATES 71~7

•l«idcxf in Coao;~;da \>111 , rouher. to ha"e his.,ersioo foroed upon '" by an overseas governmcrtt. Is. douWy dkpbyal ln hi, - llitude ((lwilrd thl.' IM)rth.

111 the United States the auitodf!. ltls alwa)l! betn li1M lt.ttitoci.es are e1t00utag~ ttt l!Womc s1<~tcs. Thi~ d.-~ back ~~ the ()fdi~nce q( the congl'e$S of conf"deration of 1781. liS the United States thst was the. blueprint ur kt ()I dirtction.~ b)' .,·hich ni!Vo' -acquired t~rrit<.M'ies \'1-ete to achie1JC:.$Cif·~mment b)' way ol statehood as quickly as JlOSSible~

In Canada t h~ exao.ot app(lt!ite br~~ been the aatoe. The fedeul IJ(~'<c:.rnmcn' QC.Ifltinues 10 look upoo the territories in the S3me way as tbc. old Imperial government look«! upt>~r tht Cl)lonid nl C2nad:1 150 to 200 )'l!<at.l llg(l.

let us c:ontras.t the ordirtan« in cxis.tenoc in t11c Ut~itcd States si.noc t.hc. b uer purl u( the eighteenth century, foe in.st;ance, v.·ith :In <~Cl Qf this P.uliamcnt in 18'70-oome 100 years later- tbc: act dealing with the tCrllpot:lry go-."'erA!llC!II of Rllpctuland. That pot l.he fed.:rnl (ic.wcrnmrnt Cif Call4\da inn ~itkrn, vi.s.·i·vi$ R.~pqtsland-or tbe NoMbwest Tecrito­t ics-e.xactly the s:ame as that '>''hicll had previously e.xi.sud bet~n the Britlslt lmptri:rl gm·crom<mt and the oolonies which 11re n<.~w united to form Canada. As fat as th<: territories 1rt concerned. since 1870 there h:e3 n<lt b .. ·en much of :en im 1!"0\'Ctnitn 1.

Let us look at tile "''IIY in w·hk·h those p3rts of tJ,c teNitotks ,.·hkh are e)()'t\' the rxo ... i nceS: ut Alberta ~nd &~bachcw.-.n h;ed eo fight every inch ~.>f the .,ay to n<:hi<''C rcsponsJble ,JOVern~ mc.~~t a nd then. some eight ytal'li latc.r. achit.,.c. pNWindaJ sutus. Tltcy bad 10 fi&lll C'\'<:ry inch of t he •·ay ~s:ein:~t ~n i nc~.>ns.idc.nuc federal nu•hority. which stiJI ~is.ls to tbis day.

In n;l)' (lf)iniun, nl) C.m<4dian Coostitution is c:ompkte untjl it la .)IS oot tb<: roiJowing "''ith respect to tbe. territories. Firs• of all, we need a clear declaration thllt it Is the intc:nt th:ll :·ell p11rn; of Carueda t~hould become. as &OOO as practi<;able. prO\'· i itOCS in their o•·n right. We also need :1.11 indicatioll or tbe cunditii)IU 1uMfcr .,_h_jcJ, that Jtill tu will be achieved. We:. want to know what are tbe rules or the ~ame. We kOOto· that Bt itisb Columbia l>eca.1ne a PfO\Iinc<:- .,_•itJ1 a popuJatio-1 (•f 36,000 poc)JIIe. b lh:t t one of tbe oon_d itK>M t We blow tha1 'll'lt<:n Manjtol>a became a pr~·ioce.. it b:td :t J!Opulation of 12.000 llO'lpic. What are the finltnc:ial Re~Quiremcn tll'? What :1re the I"'PUI<ttiQn ~uircment.\? Are lbc:re any otbcr requirements wbich we have to meet? Then "''f!. want laid dov.'n jn the Canadian Constillll~• tbe. mov~ whk:h have to be m_.de :11)

lhJJt we Clln enjoy Jlf'Q\'illel.;.i .s1<!11);1 in the $<llnC wa)' as roore than 99.9 per oent ol Caoodians.

S«ond. • 'il hjn a.ny nc:.w Constitution ahcre should be a U"tlenUI dccl:lr.ntof! or t rUSt fdpl:o!ting I he liwd.~ ~nd rC:SOurcd 11l ptO\'inees yet to be. Ju.st a rew days ago Bilt C-48 wa.s dealt with at second read ing a nd refcu cd to a oomtnittce. In tb:tt l.>ill we $cc that the fcder:el gov~mmem waots lbc lun<l'l :l.nd l dlOUt«$ or the north in perpetuity. Under thi~ gO\~rnment't~

«lfiStitutioo:tl l'isioo Ill~ scheme. of t.hinltl• those land$ :1.-d l l!~t~C$ will IIC>'(f 81.'1 t(l the peopJe Of the terrii<KiC.S. U$ they \IO in any ot_her pan of tbis countt)'. J.n m)' opinion.. that ~·iew is wrcong ~nd i1 is tol<lnblt-n . In the: eljtim:uion of the people. or

AJjQurnmf'-lfl M(llion

tlu:- nonh the Tn~dc.au Cons.ti tution rail$ in thal i1 luo ks backward w a oofon.ial past rather than rorw-ard •o a day on which I and 1ny fcUow cititti'IS of the. north can tnjo)' tbe . .s:serro: rigbt5 illld privileges all t hQIOe tal:..:n £or vnnted by $0tnhern Canadians.

AI'IOther iS:Sue on the-C.ttnstitution .liS it affects the. eMM"tb is l;~~ngu.aac:.. On bch;d f of those of my COMtihlents. M d there~ re many. who speak langusgcs whkb ""l!rc spok~ll on this cot~ ti· ntnt tbou11andJ :lnd tlwu$amb ttf ye:e n; bdCJre ~'tr a word c1( Freno::h or English wa~ ht'.Jrd, I want to register t he strongest objection. On beb:·elr of tboo:e. po."'J''Ie who use cv.:ry day la n· guage, lfUC.h <1$ Chippcw:~n, Sl:evey, l_.om:bcu~. l)(,g Rib C)r lnuktitot. I want 10 r~gister t he strongest objec:tion to a Constitution whtcll rtk~td their 1.tengu21;e- wbicb is just ~~.~ C.oadian. il nQI more w. l hJ n f'r c:I'ICh or En.I}Ji:sh--1o an unoffio::ial status. Langu.age mauc.n, except, rot inst:1occ. tbosc which deal with the Opi:rtltion of tJee f tdcr.'lt 1"-lrli:'lltl<!lll. mu:<t he leJl to lhe prO\'inc.:cs and tbe Lcrritoti<$ concerned. A Cons•itution wbicll makes Frcnd'l an olrt<:i.tl lang-uage in the legisl.s tiv~ :U.'lCmbly or the Nl)rthwC~I TerTitt'lrics yet dl.'-lliCS the &a me !-latus to lnuktitl.ll is clearly pcn·<:rK and unaco::<:ptable.

• (ITII;)t

Let me !Sa)· in condullion. Mr. Spellter, •bet I w1U l'Qte against .a wcialist, centrally·oonuollod and burc:~ucratK:ally­

regulnted cr,untry in whid 1 tlu.l l:w! u:lgo: prefc:rene~'$ of the rqjons a~ eo be dKc:;ucd by the fderaJ IC'I~I. I .._;u \'Ote against a no,._Canadian @0\'crnment doing the Prime Mi-rtis· ttr'~ oon.uitutional dirty w·ork for hirt~ . Let u.i set rid of -.·h~t has been de$Crlbed ~' 3 greb·bn.a. of nonKnse n ll<~cbcd to tbe Connitution. Let us btlng back our COllslitution as is to this ('(luntry immcdituel)', a.nd kl Ill h ave any :emc:ndml.'-nl1 h) the: Canad i3n Constitution made in Canada. by Canadjans, with lhe gctletal ~onsent ol Ca.n~diartS.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURN!VffiNT MOTION

(English) SUSIECT MATTER (W<)UI!Sf'tOIIo"S ·ro 01! 0£.8A'f€0

The t.«i~t~ Speaker (Mr. Blabr); Onkr, pleax , lkfort I re~ognizc the boo. member ror Winnipeg·$•. Jamell (Mr. KteJ)er), perhaps I oouJd a11DOU11oe tlte subject nuuer of tbe questioos t.., be debated tbi$ C'l'cnins on the :adjl)ureut!CI\I mocion..

l t i$ my duty, pur$1•<~ nt tO Standing Order 41(}, to inroun tbc, Hou.se that the questions to bt rniscrl tooight ~· tbc time or adjoutnn-.tnt are as follo.,.'S! the hon .. rnetnbcr for Edmonton S<luth (Mr. RQCbc:)-North...S<.~uth ~lieti(lfi$-State-mcnt by oon·alignod nations-l)e!.•e&opmMI off Canadian JlQSition; •llc bon. membe-r for Wato."l'Joo (Mt. Mcl.can)- Extctlt31 1\ff;~iN-CoMdiao policy with rt:l poC:t: t(l El Sal,·ad,)C.

7788 COMMOI\'S DEBATES

~ C•mlt,.,.,.,

COVERNMEIIIT ORO£ RS

THE CONSTI'I'UiiON

llt:9CH.Vl'ION k ESPf.(;'l1 "1Q (.'0Nt11!Vfl0.."'1 ACT, ltll

Tltc Ho.tt m;uJned dcbl.tc o. ,..,_ MOtioll ol Mr. Otf:btA.

stCOfldcd ~Mt. Robtns.. (01 •• A6drc» lb Htt M~y the

Quem f'tSIICCci., tbc: Comc••••tOe o1 C••cb.

And 00 I he •mcndmen.t of Mr. EPJI, .scc:ond«< by Mr, 80;1kcr (Ne-petn·CarktQn)--Th~t the motion be ameoded in &hodulc. 8 of chc pr~'fW'Xied u.-solution by d tlct1ng Claus;~: 4ti, 1111d by n~:tldnc all l*~:»ary d!:trtlttl 10 d1o $chodule oonsoquc:ntial thereto.

Mr. CJri1 I "'P"' (W'...J:ptt-St. J• _,.): .\h. S{ul.« , I

musa t:ay lhlt k u 1 plupafc lo foQow "'110 c:hapZe Nd.tf1i0ft­in tbd d~~tbclt.-.. Mote:: sc:riousJy, I ~Id llkt: oo sayt!Yt thl~ b

11n historic ckb;llc a nd it is 3 rQI hon<M.~r and prM!t:r,t (()r ~ to ~"''tklpct.t~ In it. h is P'firli~ul atly 110 bocou.se tl)(iO aJe hue~cinJ tlmcu •• Tlu: re. art no d cur ullll fimpk iiASIII"tr- to the pr0ble1t1i W( ftte, tUtd thltl WIJ demonstrated by the 'l•ril.lt»

pos:itions t.a l:e~~ by public oiTKliah. In thii OOUJitf)' •n ck•IU\.& with the OOMhl•lionalflllt:Siion. IIWSccd, it it laktu.l. to ~ frriam ie tllt:k tillte$.

r ml.lfl A)' I am ptoud of the llpptotch wtl.ctl M) Ptrty ..,, taken to the etlullenJes fadng ul, BR apprcxu;fl which b J been both c;l>n~lm<:tl'le a nd dcmocru t l~. Wbel) I .say il ~~~- b«n

dttUOCratie, I mco.n chat 'llo'C rc:s-pecc I be •rit:w.s of the n'linurity. In p;!.rlicul11t, we reipec;t the vlcv.1 of our ml'mbet1 fr001

Sasbtc:l!oe•-.• •" art ''oti.na 1_pin~ lhtS packaJc. l lowt:\'f:r. ~do eoe OOft(nc rapecr foe 1hc vk!l'$ q/ tbe D.oriay wd the dnnotntk riJ)ts oi •he ~hy. and ic U dw ~tl)' of our Qvc;w • bo att sttting t.llis dtrcaMia a$1( • hoM: t:a$C lam puttitlg forwcard today.

L<1 me &fly. furthermore, th~l t)ur apptoach is con.m~o~ctlve

in the: SC:IUC tl~.a t .... e arc: U;Ckil'll to impro~e the p.ubcion. pac:lulte befOte ut. We are litd:in; 10 build t;~ther than Nmpl)' to tear dollla. Tb~ art tullm~ptac.font 10 be Amply M~li~-e

and to telr dow• tk paeb~ • •"' tw btu put bc:l<n 1hc H()IUC,. pudnlarly btcall'Se of I he ... )' tht Ubcnl p<ctftiiMIM.

h:as handW IIM: COII6ti1utioft:l.l Jli'OOC"· Tbdr badlitl• ol thd IXu:bgc hat been both ;1bc.~min:~ble and di$m.od. SbOttl)' •fter the Quchl.-t rc:(ertndum. thuc Wllj u vet)' positiV>O c:llm!lle in this eouncry fc~t corutltuttonal chanJc, 1>111 11 did 004 lAke lt:nl£ (or tht llberel gO\-ernment t4.1 dh&~lfliltc tllal public !OOd 111iU f« Q;~t~~1l h~:t ioftaJ cllaflce b)• its: mwnuagemt41t of the proeu...

'J"k. fiM cnor- ol ,,_. Lberal pmameat Wti tlk lc&tcd

doaunt.M. <MI (IOal.t!Wtiorul Urtlq:)-. cynical docliMtAI wfiKll wu followed 'ICf)' quietly b)' l.h~t iluc:mpcnuc rc;a.claoes of pnwincilll JQ¥unmttll:i.- As • r~ult, tho:re ..-::u very lllllc R!JII pos.1iblthy l)t hope f~>r C:l)n..l.tructh·c: ao;tion I() M tuktn by the c:ot~~t ilut lanu l conferc:-noc whkh f<>ll<t'IOI-td tbc Quebct: tt:ft·

rcndu.m. I mutt poent aut Qllile ho~ll)' t hal tt ICAlil one provi~. if sot ~did 001 re•et In the in1cmpente ••) i11 •b:ll Mine •htrt did. I u• thi•k~t~~ NW of Subteito>all.

• llicll COMIMtcd lO aeaociasc aiiCI eo • • poPtme atld cu..cr.c ti'le dlancc:t 1111 the constiun.io!UII p.CUI't.

The MM .ucp olthoe Li'ber:~b wa.t to abu&e th( Cbutc rul< I

t hink they wutlld ha\'C gained l" ' blle 11upport for tht: 11\."\Jt:s'lnr)' cx:m~titutM:lnl.ll chun&es h3d they not in'l(tk:ed olosu '' b.lt aUowcd further debate in t he nr1o1 il\\tanoc on the 06nl:ll tutdl• a.l p:tcb~ Abo. lhe Ubc:t.als ""~wdtcd pubtic opin.on whc:~~ I bey trial to t:h~ dre conftU« ~le li~M 10 debate IN Comtil•t• 11...S had oo be dn.ncd kictiq ud $CI'UINf'IIIO ma .. ~t a. C:lliaftle wtnch wCtUid alll)w ((K adcqu:!tt cumi:FtiUton Ill the d«:!llflCIIl before the wmrnittft. spcc;ilieotll)' to C.\l(:nd the

time allowed whktl wu • ·on, •• Jcj~jt in p.~rt , tbNI418h cl~~e

d f(lfti or thht pan y- frum Dtce.ll'lber 9 t(r F'ebtuary ~. I mu~l

say that t hit ••11s • stgnmQnt 1Nl Important <;hnni)c In the .._'2)' lA •h.ieh the coallt~tutiorlal p~d:•.P •'ti h.a.Jldltd.

~n. the Libenh &pftt nu~ju~Secd the atta21ion •t.c. tllq• cxclludat k~ fro. the C!Odlllince <* 1t. COIMlll•• tion. HO.'t~er , !bey •-c~ tinatfy bldacrcd into an.,.i"f le~1·

sion Into the COO\tniHcc~ thu..t :~ 11~""'"1 ttlc. publlc Ill \tlKer~c the ~'bnstitutiOnll l d~batt there. Now ""'e 0" l ll iS side or the f-lo~.Lu: nrc dem2r~di1\l a full and fair del»tc on tbe Con~tlru t lon. The gO'o"'Ctnffil'-nl mu.u 001 tal:e thntlk:.•uattd lig.hlly. for it t11 only • full and fair dd»le i11 the Hoo1e I hit wtU &iW' tbc nnal \'cn;ion ~ tbe Con~htUOoll n:allqitimKy Ill thil eountry. I dui~

the ~ 10 .s«t lO •i• pubk Sllppx\ (or th& ~­ban: aftd to refttm from 311.) futthcr flllm) bld.iMSl ...-tlitb may «ode publt~: '"PPlrt for tbi~ !»cl'OJC.

In spite or tho bung!ing a!Wt "'18h:•ndli••8 of thili m:~uu by

the IJbtrl'l li, there •re many good thing;" !I boot I he pack~~..&<:.

For C.Xlll'nplc, tltere has b«n un opportunll)' for ci'hten Input mto the: retiOiuhon u d for Jll'~·lnou 10 ron.tinuc to nc:~lia lc

tM mauer. Caui•fr tbc IICJ.OIIISI ... dTOf'Q of Stib.tC'-.,·u b"''C kd 10 IIII~U. .. thi:t: Pllcta.te. ( bcfW..C: h W ttiiJ possibk (« tbaor to be fautllcr lm~mtnts ia ttlk JNdqt by WilY or llnw:ndmeo($ ill thi11 Huuse if tbc Tone •. f(lr t.umple, would all~· anembc:n qf ochtr pa.rtiCJ10 put forwotrd amendnlCAI.J., und I hop<- tbe 80\o'Crnm~nl will ooAtinllt" to be:: open 10 IIUI&C~II<KUi leadina I() fntllfO'o'elllCJlts. in I he IXlCk~se tl.l dUke this: a tood package f01 aU of C.nacb.

lbe te:UOa ·~ baloc: ol'tcred "'flPOI't for tb~:~ pad:.a~ from the stan " dUI i& a'llltai• MllnC *)' t.lpotu•t prri.apks. iadl ss patNtfOit, 11" atnh'ldiq. '"""•b. 1~ bill of nallllt. ud a promi~ Q( a resootce amcndm<nl. The:lc: are toad pri~t~:tplc:s.

Unfonunnlcly, wl•~n !be paokallC • ·u ~~together ontln•lly lt •·:a~ ietlou~Jy fi ;J.,'t:d. A gret~ l de.t .,t .._Vtt WiiS d\li\C by the

ci1it.ens or t hi5 C()llntry and b)' fncmbers ol the IIUU.KI' to improve the pt.(la,c and brir~& it Ill) to Pfit.

• Utlllt

h.rtx."tt.brly. ram tbirtltir~s o/ •~~M: f.&ct tbttbctt • tn: Nil)' loophoks In 11M original c:hurlet' ol ricbts which !Qd w be cl<tstd. The nr,t artklt: of that chl•rtcr of rights. woulcl ha~ made the entire cl\arter 4.1r rlghu tnenningleJS. Th111 loophole bad 10 be dc)led aOO ""liS t'in.all)' cbed. Al~u there •·c~ loopbolre In thcl lc.pf rigbu sc:cdon whk:h bad to be: closed and wue ~ Tbc D004iscnnlina don secuoo of 1hc clutter of

I

COMMONS DEBATES 7789

rl£hlt wu treatl)' Strcf\&1belled by a dl1.n.g.e ia wordil'l& which, •ftt.r llmti'Kfmer~ l, allowed for the fact tlut J.aq th«nllCives •hoold not di~ri rnl.n3te a;pinst Jroups. Noc. on.ly wal il ~ 'l'ldcd In th• adm ini::strntion of dte bw thril there thould be M dl~crlmlnruion , but a.lso lhat la \11'11 thcrn!Oeh~ ti'IOuld not dill· n irninote. I bclico,+e t.hat ;.rea W'ilS PQrlicularly imp()ftunt t c~ the •on~n or thi• roontry. Ce#tainJy it was tt)methina for which tbty fou1ht v«y Mtd. Ako tile orifilliJ p.CkaJC n\8de no rcfcr«n« to the IUindtQI.ppcd.. Clearly tk additMI!II of the h.lncha.ppod wu sipifteallt and imp;wtut ud vauly rm.ptO'fCICl tk pteb~. o.- •m abo.t wlkidll fed IDQIR M~)' i• tll;it ,.m_.

.-.. tile retercea:: to ln4ian. llllllit. ud Mttk ,.Pt.t: ht other __., abotil;iMI a.l'ld tteaty ri&ft--u. m. tbe lw,i•aln& it teCIIKd tO '*' tbt there .-.. a partk:ulvty u,_. bud for Hdlnj a podtnoc c:~~trmcb:ment of aborl&iul altld uuty ri.J,hts in thir JNII"'IQ!IIr pad:agt:. I .say dut bequM from tbt. be&i•· nina d";C pael:a~ m:ule rderenoe to edue~~tk>nal rilbtJ, tbe LII'IIUIIIC t!ihll or the Eng.Jish and t-'fCJlch minofhlcs. In lllldf il ~l'lowod. respect (m the culunal duality and ptul'lllity or tbc: 000111ry, AI ~., it :sllowcd our tcspcct fot both hlstorla.l aDd Cnh nrAI dlffcrcnc:cs. Bec:a~ O( tbuce IMIICfl, I (eh from tl.e bcsinni"-' thnt tbero: \lllol!rt: very strooc llrJt.~n.entt for the er111.,:~hnwnt of aboriciBa.l tights i.- lhit JMCic-aa~. The cnttc.nc:bmcnt of •boriclul right:~ in CMCt~oe it tbe •ffirmadoo ol ~r rupcocc for the dilfumcu •rnon& OIUMfvca. ,.tlwr tUn • dc:tu.al of or bc:t. of tC$p«t for thm..

Ewn thoi:P lfll al'lllt.tmat was __.., ud .cttpUd ~ poWtMir arr.,med a~ npu.. tkre ~e t.till 110mc pr!Oflk wlllo ate q~ia.iq: if 01t t.lte but. t.hlt it doa. MC uaduck all el -..hat should be iDdllded ia a CONCitwtioll Qlil MfiC:Ct tO St.M:h ri,a.ftU. J.a DO way if it 10 be Keft U I f'i11al fCIIOhlllon of I he d,ori&hul righU qucshon.. If it 1ft I Mrm.ation o( principle ""'hich c:an be usc:ful1o a boriliMI poople in t~mu o( f11nMr nc.aoti.l1ions to get dowt1 w the eone~tc dctailt of eOOrialn.al riJhtfl. lt Is a startingi)Oint l)y which 1 a.o~rnmetlt caD nC\'Cr aaaln Jll,y t h.Jtthe~ was no tuclt thlna •• ubotiAi n~~ l rltht3 in eh~ c:oumry. as was .said in 1%~ by the Trud(3u ~rnrnent, Ttuu ruc1lc c:.n rM:vcr bc-1o1$Cd apln.

I hllvc: rud c:oun QKS which :a.(fca abotljjn11l tiJhl-. artd lite cku.r pg.U«n Ius btttl to block down UIOK t\thtl. whetlil« tbc)' k huntina r\&hu or whatever. Now tile COIIrl h.at dw opcion to toot at 'lilt Coos:titu.tioo. a.d say, -The CoMcitutiol. affirmt •borislftal ~ p:rlu.pt" I shwkl ,m wdtJic 10 cUt i• the~ b:(ore: me nrthcr thu, tJ. hu bocft ~ ie the Pl"- f,tnl.IIIJ da.:n aQiaiml npu. ..

TlliJ a~Mftdrnrn& ii ptrtieubrly hi~ bee~~•• ror the fiM dt~~ us Cludia.o hk1cwy abc reprc:sc:nt.athu ~net kadrn of n:urve rcor-1~ lftdiln. lnui:t alld Mftit. ha\IC bctn directly invoh·cd In ncaociatiMs affectitl& thtm~~eh'U. I ( there it to be 1ft)' rc..ofuclon of IJte pmbkms of our nali~ people, h is only thruuah su~h dirc:c:l involvement aDd pilrtlciptttlon tlt.Jt A rtllt)o lutiOil .,.111 come. I foci ~trnngly thnt lh.i8 1ddltlon to the .:o•utilutiOrtal p.1ckagc is si&nific.an t, import•nt und hbiOtk.

'rhcre nr~ other ways in wbicb dtls packatt: ha• bt:c:n .UJenJthened, purticularly d ue. to the c.rtoru o( our cou.cut and

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of pcopk in the oomn•unity. I am thinLirt& lkl'lil' of the eq•aiJ. tatiOllformula, Wl~oen it "''iiJ cwlt,mally i.'lHmclll tcd in Ill~ fil'll padap:, it made no n:(e.rc."" to ditc\it pe)menl.s to the provin~. Now lbc: conititutklon p&Ctll&e mako.'S that rtft~ncc ao th:tt tbc- provii'ICd a~o"f~ll the: nJ.tion will be a»ured thal they h:l\'e the eo•~c!ity to deliver $«vm o( a relati,-cly equal nature. ll will be 11; \'Cty .uron.a ncaotiatln£ tool fllr pruvioci.1l govtrnmtnb il'l their dci~Unp w1th lhe federal IQ'(Crnment, This wiiJ be ptrticul;,rly 10 tor pt;nirKC$ &Ucb u n'y ~·n. Muitoba. attd for Newfoundland ud t!K m:ari.timcs which doepc:nd heavily upiMI dw f«dcr&l ~nurtmt ror aockq.at~ ~~to pn;1rick .. rrdcol. ktYieeJ to their~

~ tbofl,a) •be• tk ptC'lqe fitSC ea.rnt 0.1 it was~ ly fbftlll. & k.,.. a pod ~*bee~ or $111pport. 1"hcre an w1J fl'Ci'OPic in the _,cnuni1y wbo arc calliQc: fOt the pad:a.tc: to be 5li'Cflllhe'* furthtr. I •'OGW •~lc:omt • fu.rtlwr auett~thenin.g or the p.~~ckaac.. but it iJ no Q.:C\IIiC ex reo~110n not to $tlfl'POI"I the pacbBc: •- h 1-. \Vc must contilluc to worlo: to impro11e it. but ...,.e nw11 not 111e the llllpiratk.lns or people for futhtr in•Jll'i)\·cmcnt$ llf 11 way te> try to cut out th~lbc:r the 1111pport for tbc packu•c.

To thOS<C who are in principle against tbe Ctltft:odtmtt~~ t or • dlaner o( righu. and to tOOk -.116 nre :.g.1i1Ut an t'lllrcnch­ment o( a charter or ri.J.hi.J •ithout pi'O'I'i..:tal approql. r WOtilld simply MY~~ ir tk ptOti.ttC'h.l lqiibttrra.. whkh ~n: bcca dt:wribtd as auprcMt. b:.t.d lnOWd with rcprd 10 human ripu.. lqd ilttrucblad • ..,, b: Cllkd prifuc:J k:cisbtioft. bd ISooe •U ol wUI fiCCIIb, to bt eta. ia tcnnt cl atfmnatiwc acrioa. had prol«ltd •loftiOftl.ta.. lud ch&qcd tile social ud CICIOtiOinic:: cood~t..... "'*' " hktt •mt~ • tbis (lOll;., 6YC, had fl'O'*ClCtcd lft kJi•:l.Jtirt (Gml t.he legal rights o( the m.it1orititfl a_I)C) 1111 other m1U1t~l'll ...,·hkh are dealt •·itb in the wns4itution !)lck.iac. tbc:~~ 1he~ wooJd be no noed f<W a~tiolt oow. h is: only because k:ahtlll tlolm ha'IC rtUC dch aufiKM:nUy or adequ:Hcly wilh t hoc m~~oucrt thll t we DOW ba,·e nood f()r thecbuncr or ri;btll which lt bClrore u:.s tod3)'.

Of course. the Conlltitudon Slllckag~ co!llains more t .l\o.11 tht cbaner of rights: or COt.U1t: w.:r h1111~ n«d ot more. ,...,,, cll.amo­ple. it oontalns sn llmC11dlna furmul;~;. a..O there have bcM si$.nif.cant ebao.BQ to tba.t amcndi.na fOtmub.. Tbt !de ol rdcrcnd.l. whicll •-a• t pr<e:U) (.-.-.heeling ~er when llle Pl.cb# •u fina proc:ntcd, hat bee• lim.ic.cd sipif'JCaftdy. Now a rdcon..twm Ql• o.ly be U$Cd as a ~-bcutina .....-h•nism. wlttcft the JI'O"taeel a.ad lk rc.tcnl P'UIImc'llt are ill deacllod. 11 c:aa 01111y M •wd u..nda t:J.os;c-drcurmunca after the ~mcftU luvc IOfiCithrouJ}! tt.c procu.s Q/ fcdcn.l aDd pt'O'Iildal MIOI~tfon. To 1botc • ·bo somdw:ra> say th .. u rcfc.rc:ncb are tot&JI)' illciitlmatC! Jlnd shou.ld nen:r be uk'd. I ml.tSI. say that I fatJour OOII•uftln& the poople. • nd it • ·ill be the CaMdia11 J'lt-'CIPic whet •111 dedde ony djfferenoe be1wcc" fcdct· al ul)(.f ptQ\'intial sovc:rnnw:ntfl with reg:lrd (I) OCinlltitution.-1 qu.c:stions, I fed thl&lls 11 tiWifOIIIChly and c;umplelc:ly dcn1oc:rat· le approach. u.-c which in thc:llt c:ircun1Stanccs will l>e useful. lt i11 OIM: t!Qt is limited 111d hll• rulc!l by whkb one loan move to lbc refere..Jum proceu.

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So.rM pcofllc src ..,ma rcfCfCIIIN. They.$&)" tiat the ftder~ al pcf'1lftiCIIt CIOIIW 1bC • llkl q~ 10 fool dtr rililca.l o( Chit <:IIMIIICI)' lfld brinJ i• I COiaUt•tiorW clu.ngY • lllkll ~kf dfttto) d~ lcdc~l Mhltt olll1d~AU)'. Reoc: L~ve tried t~l 111d ilctid noc • ork. u~ put.~ cwld tot a.lkd • ~50(1'" q~t«IIOil CO the pc!Cifllc: o( tl'tal proori~Ke. The ~pit: or th.a.t pt0¥1"'-'C 14,. 11M: meanJI'II of tht question sod m;ade the dcci~ion for thcmtelve11. So whtk p;lbhcbni wiU be: pofiticiaM. citbcM Will be eiti~M 111d they "''ill make tile linul dechd<lni in n dc!TM)I,"flltlc nr1 t l<~n,

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I feel v.•c tnust remind Ql.lr.,:dvC$ •• v.•ell that this rtf «endum praptljal dc.e• h11~·e re,iooal balM~. While it i$ Mly 11 dead· lod:·brcn\if\11, nloel!tlflni,m. il also tcqoires a majorit)' in ihc regious or the countty. There i.s nl) wony that Onl.3tio ""'OUSel be able to i111~e a QOIIIIthutional cbinge on lhe • ·aL 1'be west h.aJ a \'CtO.

There i• al., anod1c.t YCI)' ptlehliw chatlte with regard to the rdt~Mhun prOfiOtr"'L and tbl.l i1 llle creation ot a rdcrr.ndum Nkt. conunW:ioft T'hi• oo.t'II'IIIWJOII: "'created a.fta a subtnis· siooa b) lite Premia o( Suk.alche..-.all. 1t •'U M~ com:truc­liw COftlnbu1MM tCJ U.C wnstil\ltioftal commiltae han:ftl;' lbl m,.p, "'*' lhrt cN.,e. Whik tk dsaqe doe$ 11(1111 10 a .. (ar as bt WOIIId pmiON_IJy ~~~~ lrtcd it 10 tp :and il is Mlt

•biol•lc. 11 ~a CC'tt&.IAIJ a 'fCf) iAH.eatial ud 11np0r'U.ftl cllra!tJC. h •dl be ""Y cs.tr.n.~e rw a Pattil•r11 Ot r.r a pm~~••• 10 (.ddk whb t.bc ndcs u pnlp:lkd b)' tM rd'crco­d:um Q~Mnmita.Oft,

Our p»hl"-e approcach. our co~tl~Ctlw: appOJCh to duo. cotllliiUiioMI pu~lll&c. h.a~ pg.ld o(f. It bu multcd ill <1 mwc'­tktmr piiCbJc thilln Wilt oriamally preaentaf to this P:t.rlia~ trWnL 'the po.~itlvc approad1 taker! by th.: citizen~ or 1hi1 counuy tuu puld oiT. The pa~itiw efr.:~rts of socne or tile p«JYitlM bavt pnid orf, 11Dd we have 11 much bdttr j»cka.ge wduy 1 h11~ • ••• OC'Ign•ully p!CSCtlted to us.

I " 'lllltltJ llh li~ de11l with 1101ne further argumcnls which nre uSoed eo undcNni...: llle p.1ck.11i,c-. 'rJ,ese are ana~/.:$ on ebc j'lftCkaae.. Fl)r Cllltmple, il b Mid thut tl\4:: ;unending fotnwla will Cr(;tiC unoqu.ll provi11CCJ. l et us fac;c the fActs. Mr. Speaker. The rue~ la l hal if'atl prorine~ were to be trcalccl tbc "me. or a~ulel)' equal. then whal we are 11.$kine, for it at1

•mcn<lina rOfmul• ~,~.bleb dcM.tftds unanimity. Tbal appi'QIIch is dc&li)' vnw()tbbl., 1nd clearly u.nrnUttk.. h is important to keep tbt taru in mind •dtb reprd to I hi; debate. The raa is that •hit t!Miafftt.'ftd jlll lcwcnub does is to crea1~ rq.ioM. Aay prO'liiiCC "'hie~! ac:q•itc~~ l) per cut or ~ cllht population in tilt foture • ill Otcreby become • rqjoo .-nil a me.. Tile •N n. a rcpM •ad •• tw. a mo. nus. the :aOIC84i-c fOf'MUb it worbWc ud f•lr h n; not perl«t. but 110 ow isotrcrift& u altctuaM: • hkll • pc:rrea.

Wr: ate aJtcd by otkfJ IO M pporl dill: Vancoa'R:I' tonn.ta.. Tile Va~"<l:' (orm .. &a contaiM • w:to for Qvcbcc. J:n: our btltotk:lll •nd prucnl ,_.tu;.atl(fn Chu wocrld. obvklusly be icude­quate •Dd Ut~J«cpteblr: h has oo veto for t.h.e 11re$L Gfvca t.hoe l ln'IIIIJ l.ecllaJi In 1~ wesc today. that wouJd be: inadequate.

'T'Iw VuCOll''n' (Of1llllt.la aho aJioowl (« pO'IiOCCI IO op Olil CJI ria)iu ud to 0111 0111 ot rcdtslributioa (1/ pl'NCf'S. lt mt•W. ditpitcd .-Mftunity. The Qllliq <NI fc:lnmlb U fUIIJ it d. a,uuc tor a dcnund I« •rnu.Dk1. wbiell is dearly alld f11.., M~fi.UIIJ' Ufi.WOf'bbk, l1ile (onnllb .. hid G. olJc~ b) lflot Coi\Un'ative P•ny 1t clntly lil mirJF· lt a n.ot2 rtal :tltkfld

ins formul:.: il lt a ••maybe~ r"'rnuJa. We tn.ldt be respon.~hl• and rcalbuc, Mr. Sp::tkct. This ()CNnU')' Meds a.n. nmend1"'1 fqrnndtl and • ·c lluve one berc:aro: us. h ~s be«1 approo;((l ln public dcbl!l( 111\d •·c willawpporl it.

Thotre llUCinptlnllO lear lh.is pnckl:lal! :1part ha 'le lAW tukcu 11 new tuck~ In le. ·n,oy ha\'e Ullkcd about tbe Senate. 1'M) A)' thac thlt co•udtul iU•utJ tmckag.: Is giving 1 he Scnat~· a \'Chi with rupcc:t to a ll tonMitutional ~~~~~~ I ·~•Id I1.;~.YC "'·i ~h~ol und hoped In the rit$1 imlaw.•c d•at tltc go"'trnment v.•ould h.•~u bcc.n 11 lhllc moro tOUf'lliJCOu.J i., mnintainirtg t.he .lulif)('lhlv~r veto "''hi\ r~prd to the Senatt~ In oth~ word$. the Sc.uttt C(klld onl)' hold up mallenl ror a li.R'liLcd period of time. I continue to clu!lkntc lhc ,g.ovcsnment tod.ny to rtlnttaduee 11t.11 '1Upcnsi¥c \'C'IO, if il can only get up the ooorage eo do ., Simpfy bec&ullt lhe pcrnment baJ DO OUUt:tgto is GO ttt.-. (or •• 10 ttlrow lbc baby o.~t '<rittl tbe bat• ..-acer. WU1 kapptftl i• d1k Q;JnPrtut..onal ~ witb rqard 10 11tft

Seftate "' tUt ~ it DO mmlion 11\ade ol i t. Wbt we kaw -ith tq.inl 10 lk Sa.te If lhe IUi•tefWICt oltbe •:alus:tpO Se~ the bq.iAnllq of,;,...,. 1111 ,..., COII.JIUY the Sc:at~ ... J.d • ~ ~ aU co.tit11tioNI and lqi$b_fi,'C cbstqrt. Tltr.lt tcdWcll ..... kpl ¥dO dtllly c:oetd.a.. but it dQes -d~prift 1U ol ltlc' na)lt lo coalinu~ 10 fi!hl fot the abolit;o. • real nform or tile Scute.

1t ht rather ii'QI'Iic that tlk crltk'll ol this package al t!l. momcn1 CIIIIIM ~u. to c:lwlae tlte S~<:~te. sin~ it is one or th• artas whieh doe! •ffcct the: pro¥iRCCS, The baul-c "Y h;u bc:en thlll (iltkrllli\fu it bcin,e datruycd by cbactging th.ings in lhtt Coollthualon whkh ha~c an impe.a on the: provino!d. If ·~ were tO come rur•·~~rtl with a 1t1ajot reform or I be Scnt~.h:, th~n the!Je c:'hlei would be up in ' f'"ll· 1'ht:y .,.,.ould be asking • h) this "''liS bclln& dOikl wllht>lll una11inlOU8 prO\•In.ci.:~lllupport,

1'h~ nW'ltl~ lmporlanl lbins to lilY ulxrut tht: Sena te it tbnl I do not bci!Cl''c 1hn1 uny realisti-c or responsible citizen cnuld believe I hat, while the Scnu.tc: mainlaln.~ .a legal aDd technil'lll ~10, if t!MIIcatdii iiUti :and Parliament Q{ thi$ tUuntr)' ~cu: tv f!i.ll fot•·•rd • M l and ade(juatc ttform of tbe: Seruue. • ·betlwf that bo abolhion or reform, tbc)' oou)cl stop that Tbc rea~• tllc S«<atc doti. ..oc uen::i:&e its lepl vdo klda)•, beron: the p~,;a.ac ol thi, raoh1tion.. G bcca.use it is eac:ati:dJy u il.qiu IN.tc body, J!M~c: i1 " fiOil d«ttd. 1"'llc .... )' we pit~ 1lw kptmutc riaht to ~n~l:c ~ wrtlll rq:t.rd 10 pubUc ""'' left ia tl!U CIOUftU)' k b) kiftc u dectcd body. Then a ao dowbc ift my m.nd '-' tNI 0111r etfll.rilY 10 reform tlile Seallr RftWM.. ah'e• a w._, ud dabc:atcd ~al. Tk ilfp

Metlt JUIIlnl t.lalt 1tC Jhollld 1101 ''ppor1 t.IJjs- piiCbgc: bcco~­tlldt b 110 SC-Ntc rdonn c:ontailkd i• it is a bot-. 0111e u .. , capacity 10 rctorm tk Sen;~tc remauu •• Wbttltlllc: pet•ltlt'fll

Jell up lu COUt'I;JC aftd • Mct the proviiiCC$ .t~ n: rndy tu " ""• then •'t will rc(tJrm thcSc:n.ate.

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C)f•e or th~ further AfJII.Il'ICJlU used aptllil thi.s PfiCkaJe aDd •a:uln~t 5"11J'P.'r1 of il is t h.at 50mehow we: •~ dc•tro)·in& hutcu! .. m. I mui t U)' that I feel tl~;~t U an O\'ctblown. ~~·•!Wcru.ttd artd uscntia.lfy 1'/'l:lsk~d•ng 1H111men1. In til l~ con· ~tllutlonn l pack11g e "-'Care nQC dealing wilh llu: ~~~trlbut ion t•f 1»..-ef'll an.or•a: PfO\'in()IC$ and tbt fcdtul a.oorcrnmcnt. f'11 11.u.tn ~mains a fodcr.ttiM. After chi& ptu:kll,e it paikd by ehl:l llou5t a.nd the parfiouneot iR En¥1and. tbcrc ..-111 .ttill be rhlltiiiCi:tl powet'8 and fcdc:raJ fOYC"Jnmc:nt $k'WCft In raet, Wt lite m<l"lft.l 10 attcllgtbtn (cda_aMm b)' PfO"idift& 41'1 amendntJ. ,,.,~rn~la •b:idl. will albw both lilt ptO\'U.O. and chc fcdaaJ f\W'C'IUWIC'M 10 afMlld lilt Cooslit•l- i•tbe (U4UtC..

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f'hc riJ,hlS dlan.ct otw~ ~.(fec:tJ tbe po-.~ of dte proo \·llltCUI ud ftdcr.al JtOYetnmeou by u .. ad'cmna powct from kll.•~lt~lurtt tQ cilircns • .not by aransfcmn& powu from Jlf~·in· c-ui gOittrttmcnts 10 the federal p-ernnlt:fll. Furth~r. 11 )la,, bt.'i:f'l tt«lglti7.cd thut tbc: righu OOitUiJru:d tn the cMner fall ••ttun federal JUriidiccioJL P\U;:t S1.1preme Court decliioo~ r«:· • ~t~~fll 7.cd th1H, lei \.'llkooe, •oe ore not doina ~"'l)'thi n.JI, eo affect th.o bi.lb••« of federal and provind nl reli•tl<~t'llihlptJ in thi~ cuunlfy; wh.nt we are ckli11$ i1< providnt~ ri.ghl! (or chh:tn~ 11nd limilins c l~ C:'ltndty of keisfatU.tCj and li)\'Crnmenu to ac:c in 1111 :utMtruy fa11hion.

AliOII'Icr W'k that b:ls b«o cakcn in tJt aucmpt to dcitrqy tit.~ pukq:ot is the cootentior'l that •e M!Cd • CCJft'Mic•ciolt ~ '" C..~ Cu U)' cithc• doubl Ulilt clliif ClOMih•tioml ,.cbp b bri-s Made ia C.ftadll" Givm 111c b1a ~li.tory ql fC!Ckf•l ud prow...,...l coofer<nc:c:s oo tile ConMitvlioift, &i'I'Cit _, urmc-oc ai'MS i,.\-.cmcnl '" cM Qucbat rd'c:rald:u.ra. .,.,-ce the dthtt~ i.n P•rtiamc~~t last rau. IIVH the k'flvt. aM lft•dth olthc bcari.n,gs of Lhe joint p~rh1mc:ruarr oommiuot l•n tht ConwitutiOft, si\-en the opportwnit)' the~ h11 been., 11nd • hicJ1 rtnll\ins, for lltc: pro~<·i~ to ftCii)tlate ctuu'l&e~. study M c:ltl•.cn ..-ho hu lis-tentd 1<1 or reAd lite medii, whkh has bocn don1inutcd by thi~ qveslion iR tbc l11$t few mt)nllu. Cfl ll dowbt I hut tl•i' CQflstitution is a\ildt' in Clllt~d ;& by CnMdi~n:s •t~•l ror (.."amutian5.

I ..-ant h) detl with another are~ of criticiun ol thl!l tJiiCbge, the Alfetenco co PfOClei'CY ti.g.luJ:. l rind 1t 1ro«tlc that members of che Consc:tndvt puty u ·y tbat tbb J:Vebp s~ld ftJOt be ·"*ppotwd bteiUM 11 I;Kb tefC1'cttee: CO .,...,,,. rl&ht». h W<l$

11w ClfO'"III«f ctut opposed lk i:.cr- o1 rrorcnr npu. .S.tdy clloic •-bo btkft du.t we .UO.Jd 110t do ta)111i~ •kid! otiY'«U tht po-u ol tht pvvmc:a d9 '* .. ..,., ut 10 lnOJI\~ o. prorpeny ripu .t!kll t~tc deuty •ithin p10'1adal J"n.id.ction. A• tt.dl. ••rely w~ do hOII w:l"t lO lim11 the capacity of k.,WII~tl'ti to l<'t in tbt public intercsc •he:~ nt!CCibl')'. I think of itemll iueh u • uto insurance in Manltot». We ..-.-nukl 11(11 .,_,Ant I(' 1<:11\'C CO chance t.hC Opp:trtun!l)' Of l<&itii!Ur(ll and IJO\'C:tnmc.rm 10 act in ll1~ public inte~t in IUidl 8tCafl. Wl1y, then. would "-'tl wunt to leave to chance tho O(.'lp(>ttllllh)' <.11 IJIW(rn•nc:nt' to ~ct with rc~ard to L1nd ~nc:nhiJtl Think. for O,:U111fiiO, or Ptincc Edw3rd h:l<rnd. We "-'11111 tha t pt<Winoe t () bc able t() rroc«t ilt land for we by Cult:.dJal\.t We do not ... nt to run 1t,c risk tbat oorpontttl)!l:, ~tld use: our courts 10

TA' C6fcHiumotf limit Lh~e <:•t»dt)' or 01.1, lq.h;:laturti 10 Jll~'C in tbese an::u a t time$ when it U abtoluttly nect:iOUry. I nm ooortdent t11111 ll•e padca!C iJ good and thnt the 41b6cncc. or ptopet't)' rif,hl!'l i• enlircly juJtifted in the pmcnt eirtum:otnnca:s..

T here iS IUIOt.l•er •r11.11•nent I h ill we mu$1 liloe ..,_nd t.llat is on th~ li:8<JI qudtlon. We 11.~ !Old 11\111 we sboukl ltoO( ltl•.we Oil c:on:nitutiooal cba•~.J.e unlilthe lesal (\IU.ttioo hi dcurcd vp. I must say. rust or 1111, thlll whoe~t • man~r JO" to CIO'Itt it D $Utdf a qU<:$1ion of publte policy 'WI!ietha wt zo to O>Urt by te:ftftiiiOC ot wktkt ... JO _., COIIrt • ·lien t.buc ies a cqncnte bw few tk UN.rt '0 c.\111m.iM. Tllac ft a Ntlet of p~~~bfic poik). I~ Cor .... .._.., ptclcr tlqt tilt eo.tt bw a~ JUt111k

btfort it nthtt llwl• byportkckal qMilioa. I .... tct c.ak tile kpl cpc:$1.:11011 more ~)' if tboloe pra.i~Wa •ito chalkr~&.c: lk mau~ i.o tlle oouru •'OUkl ra-pco the decisio-n o( the coun.s. Aftcr tbc cloeiJiclfl of the COIJM in ManitOO. •·hich favou-red action b)· 1hif Parliament ror oonstitut.kltlal cbanat!. bowe.'tr, the ptO\'iJIOet. •lmpl)' di~mW;cd dec~i.ons (I( t he QIJ!Ur(, Cle:J~tly they •re: no1 110 muc:h interested in law ali they 11.rc iJI obstruction. rr tbey wero intctetotcd In la•·· I an• sure thCl)' would be "-'illins. lf1he eoun •·ere to bold tbnt chj$ Parliorncm ill riabt in tokin1 a~i(ll\ on OOillltitutiooal fllattcrs. to tCQOO!'>id · er tbc:ir poe;ilioft, That did not lu~n a(ta th.: l.atdl ~uvrt d«:ision ..,.ftieh held t~l thlll P•tli~m~l w11s oorrcct i.n wbat it wa$ doi~ Tbc-y did IWt tcCONida their decision.

Mr. Hue,-,.: A~t. S..•bt.dlt..-aa. lt IS ~-. IO tlloc Supreme. Qlu:n.

Mr. Eeeper. I fed due tltc arru~ beiDJ l.lSCid apim' OOIIUit.UitOI:'.,I chi. b)• Ptrlii~Mfll at this 1i8'llt 2.1~ ~tld!y bogw. lfC"tl.eeU. I (cd i1 i• ~-c.ry impc,»UIJI th.aa people ~''e 1.he opportunity tO ht•r 1hc (aclf $0 lh.a1 d1ey an make a h>tbnccd decision with ~prd to this constitu.tiotlal package.

In el0$ing. Mr. Spc:•kcr, I mu" &a)' that it ii time to bnng our Cl)n$tiU•tion home. Su~ly lt is tinle (0 dcmou . .nrate 1lu1t w·e are a n1atur.:: .• I<CWCI~Ia.u natil)n c:u1X1hlc Df m;a~in.& wr <.l"''n decisions m1 curu.th11tlooo.l "'ut let$.

We need D d !Jrlc:t Of filhU in Order 10 prOt«l p;:aplc (rqm arbitr:try dtti-siOils lfl!ldc by JllYernme•u and kcisbturcs, We attd a dlarter of ria1tcs W'hkb •ill embody the righu of t,..t:ry cititcn ia thU countly a.Ad J)m.boli:« t.he c:itin:aslaip ol n-cry ~(tom COb{ to ClOUt.

We neat a rderctKIII 1ft 'he CIOIIM--ioul pacbJI! &o m•l· ciotaltvrafism. 10 lan&.,C firchu and lO aa~ riPU ift onkt to demonstrate out rctpca for the Q,rhunl &od hist.orical cfjfTcrc:rM:U whkb arc IK ~Hc:-11Jth of tbis natioln. These ftCtd tO be cle.trly a11d ~ttiYdy clcfui>Od in a oon~titu:tiOMI doc:-umc:nt.

Finally, Mr. Speoli.er, the C\'~tlts of the past stve.ral ti)Ollt~ <~>nd yc.U$ de tnoo!ilrll te the 11t:Od (01" .an llln~ndtng formula 0t1 oons-tilution:tl ~t~att.::l'l. We r~c:ccl • dcc:i ~i<.lfi·INkin.g rNmcwor .. within which lhc province~; and the fcdetaJ governma11 l.'ll.l'l cotne lo dccisionll on (OIUtltutiOnll l matters lllnd not $imply bick~r aiM! throw brlekb.ll:t nt r:~~;h otbcr in front of lhe tdm.iun cameru .

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Jr we lUppi)l11hc:sc prioc:ipk$. ir -..·uupp(lt't pGlttation, ir we. !1'-!ppot1 hum .. n ri&bU, If w~ supj)(lf't th!o AI:'Ot!t.1it)' for a dtd· tinf'l·.mukin& rromcwork ft>r I."OMiilutilln31 tntllltrs In this ooun­try ~ thlll we can build our o.,.,-n Cnmu.tu Md our- own CanJ"tlhllion, then I reel it b time tlea t ~·c 111ke ac.tit>n IQ IUpC'IOfl this poc.:k.atc ra1ber 1han .111cmrt IQ tcnr it do,.n end deity •ttion unne(l(:t$arily :1-nd iDCkfinit<'l)'.

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Mr. H••IJ-)'a:! Mr. Spe;sk.e:r, would the""· mcmbcl •·ho llal ju" Qlndtldcd •G f"CIINrb C'fllert&UI I q~ •ith t'Of*' 10 tille roAt of lbt COIIrts i• thi$ CIOIKIJUI~.ou.J ckba«1

M'r. t:n,..r. Ye.s.. Mr. Spa)er.

Mt. Huty.Jby•: TM bolt.. mctnbrr tftdiclttd th.tt 111 n:Jn· ciiCc ols lf!ILUU by the provinces to the OC>urU 0t 1 rcJcren« by thl• &<l'<t:ttlcntl1t lO tbc Supreme Olurl o( C.1nada was tomcho- an t~bu.~e or the judidal process nnd t~t the prlW• lnc.:t~ wctc ti<M g_oing to abide by tbc dceitliOit or the ~rt. b t!H: l~lfl . nwnbcr accullil\g lht· proviDCci o( parilltllli n.1unth.'tg a dcrci~M!n or !he 00\l tt? 0oo; the J.oo. member 1\Qret M diugree with the Intention of the New Democratic Pltn)' ll-"'«'flll•ltnt in lhe rro ... ln<le or Satk.atchewan 10 ,erer tbo Miller to the Supl't-me Court or Canada to fi nd QUI w!ldhcl the P'cl:llJC b ""'* mea! Does. he think lbc judiciary lwlt M rolt: 10 play in thil ddlllel

M.r. l:'f'ltptr.: Mr. Spcder, it. $ICCiliiS to • 1~1 1 ~ ia 1lrlc C...••••ioa is CIIM'.otiallf a policy q.esabl ud • palmed qucsda.. 'Therdore. il is better dalt w11h b)' k.J•ktva a• Pt.tt~,.••· I "'*' saying thal tltcrc is • c._,r polcy clloitt bclorc pc:nuncnt as to wb~tthe:r thty 111 ish to ,o to a ('Ou.rt •hh o kpl q\lcstion. by way or rercrc:ncc Ot rr1ardut.J u tonc:rctc pl.:cc or Legislation with which the eo.-rt aut ckol While I .,..,., !his Parliament tU dea.l 111·ilb the f)OIIcy QVtlllioo,

I tlunk it "'\ll.lld be ptefctuble i.n thut i.ul.-na: 10 h:&'l~ ' ' picec: of kt~,l -ltukln bdC)(t tlte oou' t ra1 l1tr than a hyp(lthclk'lflt uutcment by way of reference.

Whh fcsu rd to tll:)' oomm.:ntt OMi.'l!u1ing !he 1'1tQ\'incq.. .. hieh were to dtoe eiTec::t tha1 if 1llose pro11iMe11 whlth -..·c:nt (0 the ~hnil(.lb. coarl ol ~ppeal bad lal:.eft into aooovnt 1.be •c:~ctn ol tltat decision in favour of •c:tiOII by thl. Parliament and had Wtea1«1 lbt they WOlLid w:no.d)' rCCOfiMdtl t!tcir poUtkwl beoll•se qJ du.t ~· b)' lbe C~CM~f1, 1 · -Ad haw IUd ,.p more ~lldeoot i• 11tctr n11C'd ~ for Ptll f•rtlltf Ut dw ~:n.s.

Mr. O..rkl l\laJn (P.-o~Maf'IIHCI•):: Mt. S9Nt..:r, •c .,,. tl:avin,a wmc lqal bsoo$.

f liiiNC .. h.h the rtU~n.y speskets bc(orc me • ·ho h:u•c said thnt il l'i 11 JWh·ilctc ul)lf a rtspo.nsibilily to h•~~e •n opporll&nily to pottkipate in thiJJ d-ebu.te. Thi~ ~ 11n ini!XM'I\11\~ debilt~ in which to take ~rt and I believe that evet)'Qnc he:~ tm' tw -obl i~o~tlon to &peak on l,)ehulf of' thdr oon11ti1ucnu.

My cotu.thuc11<:y of Portagc-Marqtx:ue h• In ~bnltoba. I IIPJWcdllltt lavin& Ilk c.hancc: eo Sit)' 11 fey, ,.'Otds 1•btlut the .oonsdtution;al resolution "''e .1re dt~un.v.. b.:!<:auie it woukJ be

diJitcuh ror m.: to retufn to l'wtll&e-M.arq;uc:ue and e:apbin tt\ nty 001Utit11.enu why I W:t.l> not 1i~-e" an opportu:n.it)' t<l pan.cl p:Hc. In thd oonntC'IIon, I tnkc the go~ttt~rtlt'.iU :ll its w\•rd and u~nt it ••ill M!t 1h:a1 .:~Cf')'One who wams to p;u11idpa tc in thl11 ddxue. has !hat op(IO'Itlnlly. Tln~ "''*)' n\CI'IIbcl'$ can rni11e th~lr t(lnct rns as well tt COII<.'Cfll) nb.cd a~ 11 rts.ult of diieu~fmll ••ith their COIUtituent.i, In Ill)' opi.nion. C\-eryonc $ll~uld be •blet to participate in thl• deb111c: btca•~oe C:\'~'t')'OOe has a patticul.u poim qf riew, nOe only il'dh·idu•l membus but alSo Lhc many thoasaods of C~J~MCillllcnt .. we rc~t. Thercfon:. it is iiMl•m bat u.poe sll of us •lto .,., hue an bdalf of our (U'I6;titva.t• to take tlrlis IQR)O'tu•~t)' to 'pcl.k on llli5 impooru.m LOpic.

1 ~to pa)' uibu·t.c to tk QOII..Mtt•tioNI c:omnaitt:« lll'lall­

bc:ts wllto · ·ottnt yuy ... rei from ~<Wtdlbet UDtil tlae fi"' PI" fl!( f'cbruar,. Ahliloulb NltJ J"CCiiPk ~u~ paid ttlbou lb this wmmittce bdi)R! tutd •ill •1:a.in. I '"mt it i.s •"Orth•·hi!l~ to commcm oo tbc. work they dM,t, Tlbt kind ol committee wi>tl c;un be c:omtn~etive to I'IUiny tu~s ot cor.c:.:rn to this Hou;;.r T bc QOflstjtutionnl 4'0fnmltu:e tncn\bcl'$ ocrt.airtly cks~ th4 <:rcodit gh·cn to f hCnl

We need 10 h:tv" fllllh In U1111ic:lm IIJ we pn'ICOOf, I run .Kin) I he prese411 go ... ernnH:nl, jud£ing by liH: WU.)' it i~ proectding. ii not dCll'lonumting any failh fclf 1be ooncerns of Con~~dian) rrorn OOC c:nd or the CX'IUtiU') IO !he Olhcr CWer wbat t ilf

oon•tilutional redulictl O!Mital~t~. We ha\'C eight pnwinci~l ~nmcnts •:nWliiVC!d l11 kpl •('leom a.pinst •'bat tbc peril• mt"at is doiq Many ,.w.c GpiAion polls r-o'nt I)Ul tlut oel) • .. inonl)' f*'"OU:r the ~ ..,. •bid! dtc: .£0'UIIilldiJ ft aucmpci~ ra ca.rry 0111 iu CIDO$lat•liOIUJ ttaeWal We lu"C' umc:tOUS ~P# achcrtllliCrMIItl attad:,.tlllt Pritt~~e M~t~ ifcer (~h. Tt'IKiau) on a~ ba.Ms and dtcitina .wppon a.piR:st wb;tt he 11nd t'-c: a~rnmc:nt are doift:!,.

l.n :a oounU) th:et lll tup~U)' run on the basis of demo«•· cy in whfl:b CYCI')'Qt\C 1houkl tlc.liatcnc:d IQ. ane m~l'l ttnd on, '\'()IC, wfl::tl is bappenlfli hi tlllptti:Cdl!tltcd, ( rail IO ll l'tfiCNI<&ftd wtl)' the gC)'o·trnment hcln IIH.:h 11 hlln"y. h b ludicrous that .,_-,, opctate • •ithin 11n urt lti\:illlly imJ>o!OOd timc. rn.nec: when \\0-e ar"' dctlllng y,•ith !luc:h sn llnpol1ant -'litter as the Con,Mituliun, whic:b Uf)CScrlid e'\'l.'tfthlll.(t wo d'l,l in I hill OOUI'Il•Y· I rail tO~ why we Cllltlot talrc I'!Mif'C titnc lo emurc: lb11t w.: do ewr)'thlllll, righL

Tbc ban. r:IW!nebtt ror Winntpc,&. btnt$ (Mr. Ktt'ptf) •bo spoke ~rore me fnlde JOmC: rekfcaoe 1q the V.a.MOUVU

fomwb. tk said 1hi11 the Va~vtt forn~b clocJ ooe ~ • 't'dO to ~- I disoqfu • ••• he"' IIOUU,.. Aa opi.,._, ~ c;i<ra the: fi'U"IOIIICilolQ.ebcca 'feiO 1rt tcma oftlliap abollt wlltc• it (eek t.IIOf'ltJJ In (Kt, t!At is the: basis ol dw multictllturalitm I'Oitc:) we ._.we i~t th.is coutry.

Pc<lf)k: tall about the chcckerboatd problems we • ·ou.ld ~ne with tbc bilt a( rishtJ, th.lt "''C would ba.ve diff~rcot riaht~ i11 diffcJent pro.,inc.:il, We bA''e 1 nmlhc:uhur:atism dep11rtmcn1 t~ct up 10 see that I)CI)IIk 'il dj(Jerent a~!S <)( oone.:rn ~~~ protected. 1'hc: liOn, metnber ror Wi.wjpeg·St. Jemet~ Atd th11 t l.he argument he tmd II~Utd &0 rar 1U lo why 'II.'C: Sboold Jl•\ 1

JlfoOCI.'CI -..oas 11 bot1.11 one,. 11«hllpe be s:ho1.1ld ha..-e li:ctneod tn the hon. member rOt Wu;tcrn Attuc (Mr. N icl:en;on) -..·lt<•

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•put~ doquendy abou1 the:. n:ative f!l."<)flle M t being •re;:ued ~ Jll:opll!, tii:St tbcy wc:re t~ted aJOlOiit as non-citizens. I fail to ~cc h0'1'' the lion. mc:mlxr f~ Winnipcg...St. J;~mes eould bove rnlrde the staternent tlmt it •·.;s n bogus argument. particularly !" l'icw of his own racial extraction. Tlt>C hon. mtmber for We:~tern A~tie talked \'try eloquently an beh;rlf of the nntil'e rc•)pk be: rtprd i:nt$, pwopfe who are more oath•c:. to this .;o)unlry tlmn I, Md yet 1he hoo. rnernbl!r ftw Winnipeg-St. J,uncs says the: argument •·hy we should not prococd: is a bugu.1 an.:. N'cvertbelt$S.. tbe oonoerns expressed by lhe bon. tncmbtr for Western Arctic oo bebalf (I( b:it oom;tituent:s •·ere cl~~.t.fl)' sincefe-:snd genuine ones. Thi$ is something the hon. 11\Cmbtr ft:~V Winnipeg-St. Jamc:s should consider catefully ••hen be talks about bosu.~ argumcntll; he shou.ld under5tll.Dd '"''"'' -'"'ill !layln& wh<n he makes rderc:oce to such thitlgs.

I eome from an are3 whkh ~s sent two prime mini.~ta.11 to Ottawa. one ftom l\'lru.ge Jlnd one from M.uqueue, The fi rst prime mini$ter of the ooontt)', Sir John A. M:~c:donald . \'t ry bricny reJ)fcun.lcd M~r<jueuc: O{lfl$tituc.ncy i:n this Hou;Se.. The d!~t.ingui$hcd prime min~er. Sit Arthu.r Meighcll. whose por· trait bangs in the- l•aU oucside dris Ch:unhcr, reptQ.Cntecl Portage in thli Hl)u.,e. I 1h ll refer to 'A'h.lt these cwo distin· 3ui$bed gentlemen $lljd in tbe cons-titutioMI deb:ttesc and how 11p1 their remarks arc- tod.sy. Incidentally, the deb-;11~ tQI.>l: pl:•ct in 186S 1>titw ll) the union of I he country and bave oome tc• be known "' 1be cotu-l itution31 debtllcs. Out first prime. rniniscct. Sir John A. Macdona.ld -"id thi$:

llvL en twk;..,J ~· '"" ' ubi«• 111 thr to~~ki'C1le>e, u ol <lifNUif!18. t hf. • 111.1tt 11' '"~' «:d. lfi(IIK UUl«"'COC)'. ud "'h.h a <IC:O.co «<llu iu• " ' ~ u(i of~ l>(ln~11o, ""f!)jj,ft4111• 1 siiCII t ~)"!c:IOw~• in>""'C(ic>o\ol~t.-

The system eo which he tefern:d wu that o( a uniu.ry s~te.

There has been tnuch ta.lk a:bout Maod()fleld and c.hoe rac:t tho1t he v.·ould have pn:ferr«t a t~nitar)' system ol gO\'Cfnment. I believe that is what the coMtitutional f'CSJOlutlon will bt leading ull to in chis ~'(luntr)', but our fir$t prime minister roea.lized I bill ~ unit.ny 51 <~ le woukt noc work. That ls what he is rercning to in tlljs quocatioo, He-goes Otl:

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I• lk forli! pb~. it ..,11u!d "i>> mu:r 111~: ~no of !l!f pcorfo o( l(Jwtr ~d .. , «o;.,u~ '"" t~ ' "''' in ehrir r«uliu p.'JAI~bcint 111 11 - hr. Wnll ;~ <littm. luao.o~ n.:o:eiotldhy ~11<1 ttl!sr.. fr- ct.:c ~j)rit)-in .:ne- et 11 ,irot~uiooo ,.;cb chr « 1,., l"'il<;.,~ th:ir irfjcitgt io<* ud 1Mir !:),., miJhl br n""'filco.l, ~not rheit an~r;a_l .u.oo;:iui-. Qn 'o.'bkh l);c,· f'(id«< 111-"'n.. lln;~dl:cd and M~jlldi«d; it WJ$ (<)11/lll tht .. ) fll'~l(llt; ,.Wo:b ifl>()loN tltc .:o:t.wp<~ d et.: IM!•l<IIIAtoe1 or U...'C:t c;~ .. ~-ir tl!l!y ~ t~ ~~~!9ot-­.,..,., nllt be n.otl•~wi!h r~_,, byk 1 ~··

Tlr3t is ~en ml}fe !.lppl i~able tod<ly. N01 only are we ralking o\bool tllosc regions thal origil'l311)' 1n:tde. up Can:~da, but tdditjonal regions.. We ll.r"t· ulking about ••h..1t i$ I)QW the m0$1 Important and \•i abl~ rcgWn of Canada. t.hoe •·est. If it i:s true to llll)' t here wm: C(N"Ioerns over a unitary S)1tetn of gov.:rtuncnt und w·hat it "''OOJd do in 186S when this cons.tilutional delxate took place .• lt is Cl·en more tr~e today • ·ben woe ha'-e another ~cry impor1;tnt and vital and growl11g region of tht country "'anting to foci p:ut or thiil coun1ry. ThM is something worth tlltiSide:rin§.

Tht C(uUtitutimt

I wisb to tefcr to pstt <J • •bat Sir An.hu.r Mdgtu:n ~id t:onecmina t he ~ntry. Here he ww talking at a binhday pony marking the ooc burtdtcdth annivcrJary of lh.e birch l)f D'Arcy Mc(ice. He Wll$ rdc:rrintt to ~me of the ptObtenu the wu.ntr)' had had prior to that time. fn this- speech. giv.eft in Oua ... aooAptil ll, 19l.S.heuld: Tbc; obtl.a(ln; •l!(o.tokttd bowe ~ t:rt•tC'l th.u. -lu:.d bttitw4. bill tbq ~~~ beclt 0' .OI.'Iilll; •hen «oMI'!roUM •lt . thr obli!acld and dOIII&Jeni wbidt by iHW llllk!IO "'C ~~~f-/iiC'(I,

Th:!t is the- truth. 1ltcre: arc o.rW lrh•·"ys bo''e been m~ny problem:$ in C;~.nada b<le.ause of tbe great d jvenity or geocra· phy l•fbic:h make3 up tbjs cotuury. Tbc: point Prime Mlnis.tcr Meltbtn was making lit tkltt time Wo\l!l thll no1 to b;wc t<'l<:kled ~nd sol '~(:(! th~ kinds of proble!N •·outd havoc k rt us in worse petll tb3o we would have bi:en wilh()ul :IOI"rinJthem. He went on: - le• 11:1. loot blo:t-~~ lb: ' fiUdl...o ~" .. '~aM ..... ,ell tltciW!U, " "'''"" l'itu""of lllcaJU-'-' of l_hl lime; kt..., k>!tll rrvm tftcir prl .... .,o:l Cltllllll tc. th<ir C\'llfliP •" l;ii:WJ" muh'll to COirit~ by (tW <l~"'io. 111(. IIOtU htrh-".$< thty ~·~ b~ Ooooll.

I 'o\'OOOc:r whether in 50 years rrom flOW history StUdCtiiS who -Study tlte <k:b3tc: going on in t his pr<ICeM will be ~;~ble to m;1kc the kind of remark& Sir Arthur Mei.Jh(.JI made on the oc:casion ()( t.he one hundrcdtb aMliveN3fY cl the birth of O'Ar<:y McGc~. Thcrt & Cert.a.inly :some nea rQr taocern and que~tion •s to •·hethcr thnt will be the case.

The Minister or JU$tiee (Mr. Ch.nh.it:n) ill in the c,hambc:r. I •·i:~h to t.ake &.:sue with $(lfne or the ll'etl\o1rb he mack in the ;pooeb opening tbe debate on chis important issue. Tbe minis­t« spoke very eloquently and willr CX'ltlviction. We all know hi! ill a $etioos man. l-Ie s.1id, ;15 reported at page 7374 or Hansal'd:

l:>.riiiC ltlbllo:bUII -.t wl!lt>nr 11 ~t 11«11 11>)111 pti>OCU. an<l l<oUt~k tt1 lNI 'UIJC' Lltct, b<o1 I Wjll( hi fof'C'l llwon: iobl'id liOibliiiM~t.- &eo'* b!i an(r llc dcotoooc""" ""-"'"' ;, fittith(d W forr.otKo. C1nl4i!lns will 111~ ~ in tll11 mulu of 1ht ~~~btu.t.oc ot out - k.

I find that unfortu.nate because process. i:s all important in wb31 the govemmeut is doins. If pMf'lte do tt<lC have f:ahb in the process., the- end re:suJt~ will be badly ~rrW. The)' will bear those sau$ ror a Song time because our Constitutjon will be. witb us fot a lwrg time.

Tl\is sbou.ld be a very e.\citing time ror our country. We should be pl.aonil'lg ror and looking abud to t he future, All of us l1avc- oec;uion to plo,n, We pbn to eo on 11 trip, to t.1.ke a t:Qur" to improve our e<h.teatton, to b~;~iJd a bOil$ or bu)' a car . Fatmoers plan theit crops at dre bcog.ianing of cbe )"ellt. 1t is a l'Cry exciting cime because. whet~ we. do th31. we loot fotwa.rd to tbc:: future.

MO$t Co.n.adians 'A'OOJd like this to be a bapp)• tjmc: f« our country. lt is the most icnpott:lnt pl-'lnniJig 'A'e ean be. doing. We 3fe la)•ins the-roundatk~n fQr the "''"'Your -c:uu.ntry will be (t<Wemed and the principloes on whieh il wilt operate for a long time.

That b why it is unfQrtamue tbat tbe Mini«er ol Justice dismis&eS this c::oDCetn QO('Cf process without a k>t of thou&bt being g:ivc.n to iL During this ptanning p~ QC 3-Uge or

COMMONS DEBATES \t~rch 2. 1931

T hf CQn.vlilltiiOif

<:oruthutlona1 rcne'a'lll, \lti iCS$ 111~ tallc Into BQC-QlUII tile rcc.lings

O( the pt<~pl~ <0/ !hli COUnt I}' and efliUI'II tlia1 tberc ill a.ood will

for • hat lllr'e .re dolfll. tile fruits •-e bear from thit t'tllOiu.tioD .. ;,. be brad OfiiC:S. Thlt • o.ld bt !ftty uni'Ort•.ate.

A ··cry &ood af!"".cnt could bo: ""'de tlllll the rea~ • e are rcnc .. ·ln& oor Constitution i~ to crcut .,: l!ood will in t l~e cunntry sa that we 1111 can live togctlu:t in more har.non)' t hin ill lbe

pu•. If in llle proccil of r~l III'CI ae~~te so tn~~th bad will

tUt WC •::nro)' tJK ftiY f*rp:llie for •ltich WC J.rC doi11, ll.

thee tNt b VU) tad Tiut is Wh) I tile is.SIK "'llh tiM:

Minil iCr ur Iu.«Kc wtiC"n he di$miiSCJ fl'OCCSS a~ ,.,li h is

r~ll1 nuc lntportant beca"se the c:n·d rcs:11h w1ll be rc:mem• beMii 11 lo"' time al'\cf the fWoeet.'l. Thc:ro it a kl4 of btttcrocss s.nd • lot or doubl 1~1 what •'C' •re d;.K_n ... This is c~lcnetd

by mny Pf!CIPt I taille to "'bta I 10 hoMt eo Ill)' C(laltii.~K~~q. 11 is unJortum te l.hat people are JO 4iltnPtf•l of the q y liM:

JoYefnntoCnt is ~•nJ.

M 11th hu boen "id a boot the otlfiUillllion:•l rciOiution. We

SJ'l'"nt m.uy hou.rs in • joi11t cotnm11tte talk:illf abwt the

d!lrerut artidcs. I ._kS point Ollt lbt we au Ml ck.ali.at with juu • pic:c"e-ol ~pc:r. We$ltouW be dlirttirt& ~~- .-t..at it is dofnl unci- wi.d be tbn& to the 'fo'boi!O' country ~~otter it is

tU.IOpttd. The £nVCJMMlut s!W'•Id be \'try t:ogni:tSnt or thu fl$ it

procet.:dll.

Ow ,;pok:CS~Mr. o. 1hc Conslit•tbl.. the: bon.. member loco Pro-.'Cftdl,a (Mr. Epp), mrivcs litcnlt}' liludrtd$ ol letters

eYety day o•tlit~•"l Ilk ~ms whlctl p:opk from CO:Ul (11)

COOil Mvc: about the ~y the ~rnmcnt • pi'(II.'U'CfiltJI, h is intC!ftdting t(l note t hu~ t_ht:)' arc scndln& their !(.tt(U lo tbe

hofl. n.entber for l•ro~encbcr. w~ l~\'e to be protHI "' be assodned witil hiM 11M1 a-~re him «cdh lot tbe way he convcyt; the ...... c or kU:I lloncA y 10 tile c. -..c~.... pubhc. ,..... •

somct1Un1 this dun.bcr should r«<DD"iu. M::.ny Cu~deallr:S i«l comrort.abk with him ;md are S<ndln& their kU4rj to bim-

Whcn the hon. member for PrOIIC.!ICI.er spoke 111.1 e.IQ<lucntl}

on February 17. bt pointed 0111 lhaa the whole ,opmlllon on

• bldllliiK tc$Oiult1CM b bticd is (ahc. I rdu to tile Jlr'OfUidoo

lb3l llht COUntry il not workitlc. th.t it d: $011"1CU. Qlnlmt

lla»rt lllld noot rum'1fonini tbc W3Y it III01.1Id ud, thctcfOfc. -..·e mu.11 jJO through thiJ JII'()C(SS or Q:.lfl~titutional rcnewol

Cat1ad'-11s ba\'C boOOtlnc oonoerned about the p~. Mall)' of tltdtil do 0(1( q•ite •fliCkmalld tbc todlllicalitid ud tbc ru~oe

s:oi•U ol •bt ~ Oil i:~t this c:llall'lbu cby ia a.nd clay Olfl. They d,.. I'Ol oodr:nt:uld lAc iocricac:ia ol tflrt" dcbtlte: "'ltkb

~OC!i on here as well n.s lbt· points ol Otdcr o.nd qu~ti,..n~ ol

privilclc.t l lo;'I• .. .-C\'er, thc1 sense thnt •ometbing I ~ not right about tbc.t way tbe IJOio'Crnmttlt is rn~ing. I! j,. l'\'CII m<trt

Apnrant wlte" )'CIU R~~ll-te that tbc lniJOrhy cl OuwJiln:s

a:.re i• ftvo.r of thrir CoMcitutiol: bdltf JN~lriatcd. 1llltyare ill

(11.\'0Ut or a betl Of tlihb 11.1\d Of hi.ll1t11 SOlM- 11nd o/ U

am~ndlnt form11l11 to the Constitlltlon •hen we '~t it in Canadlt, nl'ld yet they III'C not in (~\IQI.I r o( .... hatth~ co~·c.rnmcnt

b d6il'll·

• l~"'"')

I would point oul tO tbe Mi_nj"cr of J11~ice thut the Ilea or

CIIJilCeffltfKy bve it 1»011 Ollly 0\'tt I be (lgn(«<l so much u it d

~ the way tlw p-craDelll 1$ prOCir:'rdi.,. ~. I -ould

lllllHI vuy suonaiJ that procall Ill tety importlltll. la l:t«.

ulnWM~t a lt.impOrtont in this debcuc The g<Wernmctll shooll ld

co""ider t his at; a hey pt'ooec:d.

There ba'-e bctll m.~~ny polh taken, and ""e Cln q\IOtc polb

d~• btctk dowa ptJbUc: Gp~mo.. aMIM tbe c:o.•lfY in terms of diJJetr::el r~ tk Atlutk" RPM~. tile pori~~m of ~­tbot ptOIIinc:e of On~ArSo, and aM •A.-a«crn rc:giola l.MU Tburs­

day, rt;.ll lts were ~leo.'led frc)lln a j'll.lll taken by t he Quebec

' ""hlltc or Public Orl•tl(l(l d~;~ri njJ thll "''Cek of l'cbnl :t~ry 12 to 1¥. 'The question u kccl or pe-ople in QIKbec v.·as: How df) )'OU

duaL )'"OUt Mr:u~bef ol Paflia:mtm t~ld ''Ole 011 the C'GMtitu­

ttONII ~'! T1lc tu.lu • ·en ''n)' ••kft:Sti1111- f'ortr-to.r per ~:cnt or •he people who wat potled ~aid that tiNy ttlou:J}lt thth Mt ntbcr or P11rliament $hould ~ot c: npins-t 11\c' ((UUtitu ..

ti~lllal rc:t;()!udon: 3? pe:' ~o.'\'!nt ssid th~y fhciuld vote for it; and about 20 per teflt d id 001 register 11n opinion.

-r..t Q a ~ 6i.JIIinCbl poll ia tlilc ~I hat ~ all ~ the JlfQ<:RI pwcrcf'llr:,.. ku am NJI ol its wppon in the

pto'flnf:lt of Qucboi:. ytC in ~. where they WOI'I over­

whtl•i,ing i'llppott In tht: bst (cdcr•l d« tfon. thcfc ~Wt~ no iliS"C" with ~Jl('Ct to lhe C~nt.tinuion in t.be l:ut CI.HHpu.ian.

Tb11 I• a su-bjoc.t rot llootber speech all in itselr. I Find it very

••taa:ttltJ, 14 no~e that ._ .. pn «<Il of lk J!C'OC'Ic u1 the

'""'liCe' or o-•. i• • public .-. po11 utca t•-o wu:1s

a~ uld thtir mernbcn sbottkl 'fOie !lfljiMt tbc Ole!UJIU~f

rtsoilltiofl. 'f~t Is •omcthlll.@. that ~11 men•~'ts oppot~hc !ib61lkl lool. at very dosely fi nd ~in«rcly ...,hen it » tinle f\lr them to d«:idQ y,·bether lhey can SllJl90rt the oo!UlitutioNII 1'60futioa

bd'«e ~JS.- As I saki. muy pOik llave ~~~ takttl, bill I I hid

thM GC • very •fVIi(IIQ•l. We al kao- tbll pols uc: M*b.FI

..:a much intc:tptc-talioft. b1tt •hf:on J(MIIlavt a poll tabn lo the. Pf11"il'lce or Quebtt 111ying tll:ll Qudxccn are not in u.greeo ttl(nt ""lth tbe policy or the fodcml IJberal Parly or Cllna dtt Off

the ConJtitutton. t hat .d •ould tdl y<IV S(ltl\oethil\8 •OO...t tl!lo:

II'&IIMI in whidl the. Li'bend go\'«nmr::nt i! proooedif\c on tbc

a.tl4 .IIOUI raotvdoa. Onoo of tbc: other 11reo~s of COII'l«ffl b •bt the pcrnmmt t:.

doina in terms of ieUinw a prti=~d~n t , Mucll h:u b«n mediC ur the way Yo't' govern wr&dves ond tl~ fact that m•ny or o~~;r

int.tltulioM runcdon on the ba.ks of con,'l'ntioos derh'l'd m.·et tiw Probably CI'IC ollhe 11'10$1 &moatlic.. if 1101 the moW

~atk <OUII'J I• tlw -orW. if Orctt Sri-.--., and i1 I'Ctllr

d.x.t I'IIJl have- a tO-.t•et•uon ie tbr: Kn:llt that • ·e or ahc:­

Amc:tkan:; do: yet it '' c:oosidct<ld one of tbe ft'IQIIt dcntOCrati\: cllllll llks in the wOflcL ht citizens en)o)' as many rlt~J• tll ., allerit: or any country in •lie •vrld tH:c.\IK Ut-er time they h<l"~ ~·~ I'IWiyofthtll 1"41b baKCI oe prccedt.nt.

Tk JOftrnmO\l,i( k p!OC(td$ lite way lht ~JOII at__. drancd. •iD be uui"' • prea:dt•• of OW"Cnidillt Pf"9t'!nn011 conce-rns. Tb:u is a 11e1y da!l#C'MIS ()l'ilc:(deflt to HI, -.nd •huulo;l

rte.M be done lightly. Proctdtnt cnn bi-co•ne oll·powc-fiul ..,, aii·&.<Wetl'liltg in term~ of oor 011111 int.dtution. Th(rc: i~: ~~

MMdt 1,1911 COMM01"5 OE8ATES

rcft'-rt.f!OC In 1he Britidl N(Jrt.Js Amenc~ Act lO cittlel the rurty ll)"'tcm ol ~ernmcn1 we ba'•e or to eabiliC'I. Vel •oc all k110w U.a1 • 'llhoul !hose 1wo weJI acctpted COf!YUliOf'li.. ~~o•hich are lhe rcault at P~"'-' built up 0\'tr a 1in1e, ,.,.c would ooc hfi\'C 1hc ltPCI Qr •ovcrnmem we ha~ wct:.y.

I :u:k the JO\'c:tnmelll to.> cont~ider whole kind of a j>re<:.edent lhcy arc aeuing whc:n they proceed Utllliltcrally w 11!'trridc ~''""" of the ptl)vi ncc~. Th.is is ob~iously ~~)' lVkttnt when " 'C hi~C tiJihl ptOl'il"!ial g.owmmcnl~ t.akii"'J the rcd«&l II>\Unmen~ CO coun. T-he.- (cden~l JO~crnmen.t lii'IOfei • ·hal lhe pro,incu haw ku sa)ioc. This stb a ~cry dJI~t~CfOW preo::-4k•t. on<; dtal wdl )QYe ""1 W4 implicaOO. (Ot ,,_ Nftl'ln io •hldt OUfCO.IIIIl}' is; pctaed io tk (stun.

I• the tc-tMW.q tillle.l haft:. I wouW lt\e 10 qak o/ aoMe cl tbc: CC~~~C~rras •·e ktw b •Uien C..da. M1fl)' ol ~ ia •e$lern C.uda do ftOI u:wJef$1.aDd wt.)• ·- COM11UI!ion hu iwddct~ly ~ sgch a mlltC'f o( pnonty. I ttlint tn<MI of U$

would Pi)' chat althoug.h we do DQC lbink tbe BNA Ace k 100 pe~ cen1 pcrf~. h has served tbe atl"a or the coun1ry 1bnt I C'ClmCI from n:trcmdy welL ManitobA c;nmc imo c»nfedttlltlon in 13?0, ~~~did 8ril il:h C()lurnbi.a. This poM ycur AltN:rtn >,J.nd Satkntchcwiln cclclx11tcd t heir 7Stl• :tnnh'C!r.4:&ry In conrcdc:tll· ti(lfl, t11u.-lns c.nlcrtd l"'nfo.'deraclun in I 90S Ahhou~&h "'c ha\'C! bad t'l\:'1 11)' evn&:e:ms over !he Wll)' we have

been trcutcd a.t paru ilf thi:'l CQUnHy, I think we ll$1't'C that thc­CUttUihUiOtl haJ fiOt prevented ~n rrom doitllll fair ,ob. I find tl un(ortun;~tc cllat (-ot somt natun w~ ll;a~ decided Oft a ~ry •rp:IU a.nd xiJ·IIhplUCI. timc•(mne in wbich to dl:at1te tlw CoMtii•C.O..

I• tile • ·d&e,. part olllle COUftU). •< are ace ..o much OOIIICltrMd aMt cbe Cotititalioa. n we &~ about lite way ~~ iftAinulons (uDdioG, alld how they uk~ i:n to a~nt our amcctnf.. I Qn cite INift)' ta:aMpl•. O..c o:m ld l.al l. 1bout lrall, ponation for- the fC$l of the cYCI'Iii\J.: Oftt toll Id talk &boot taflrr po.lkics.. aod ~t:bat tbcy do to w.:.tern C.n&d ot, noc onty In 1erm3 o( the cosu we lnC"Ur ln purchuc.f.o but in tcrnn of ~ttblishing manuf:1eturing indu5trie.t. One coufd also lalk ubout tl1o0 way gc,wcrnmcnt oonlmiHe~. bwlrd~ und l ri· ht1 r1 l ~ O,k:rntc,

A cate '" 1){1'"' I$ tbc lntctnatloo:tl Johtt Cc~tnmlll~lon, l hc ~O!Timli!IOI'I kt up to look ~~ problem11 • ·bkh lti:t( (ro•n time lo cimc: in relation to lbc I;,.I'JC bonier • ·c all:trc wtlh the Unl•cd Stlltft. Th~ lnterna1ional Joit11 Commi.ion ;. made up o( Amctb .. artd Ca.~~;~dia.ns. Western C. lUeS. kla bcwdu • :it" U1c U.S Jpprodm~td)' Ulf tbt; lOC.aJ k:o$t• ol Chat borda. lt w-ctdlo from the ~li-•i.OO..O.u.rio hocdct nP• fO tiiiC: hei(­IIC ()can: )'Cl lhrte bs: flln't:r hem a mcmbct (fO!It WuttM Caneda ~ed 10 the: lntttftl.tiou.l Jouu Com~n~J'"- 1lte Oarrii'Of' !"jocl. it~ Nonllt:nt fhkot1, • 'ill a.ffect Manitoba •d'"'r~dy, and •·t ldw JWUbleiTI$ in ra:peet of ••a:$t ()Qai!l ruht-ttcl. U~'tver. we5tctn Ql.nada b.aJ ""''Cr had a mcmbcf oo thc lntcrn.stio!lAJ Joint Com.m.l!.'lic)n..

Thl! Cll tlfldlun irfln::~wn Commission Is :1 ~&ulutory b<MJy tho11 0\'~rl~ mnny of tbc areas ol r~~~)(ln~ibilily or the Dc!)!ln · ll\tl131 ur 'rrm111porL lt i!l Cl'lltr .. li~ed bere in 0 UfiWI\, and ha.!~ hud • brOn('h in WinnipcJ ror a loos dr.~. 1'bc Winnipeg

TM C~Jt~JtitffJW.

b~ncb reAlly ha1 0011 bciCII a11 much of a brudl :u it hA~ been ~ 1«1 or elearing tlwte ror lnf~rl\lllion pu-rp;)!oC!I. Appro.li· tnatdy two ~·tnn. aao, 11 .,..·Cj:t~m lltclioft of the CTC wat establi5h<ld in SaslialOWI, )'tt it baa tiOt been !h~n the nc:cell• sary authority to d.cal wltb t n••~JN>r1<~tioon problems which affect •>e:f1tcrn Cunadll, Mallcnl arc ~ bad lltat this \'l':r)' important bOOy lun 001 yt-1 beel"' tlbk tu ll)(;ilte in proper o(fioe .spaoc, dClipltt: 1bc: fa<t thcr" it' a I;Hlte nltii>Uill or squnrc foou!c or ort'ta: .t(llll'e ovnil11blc In Sask:tHOOB. lt bas not bee" aiven tile autbl.>ruy Ot Utc I"CCpQ"'ibility to pla n wmny of the apc:l!lditutts tlw rcd~tt•l pctlii!MIIt malta as a rowlt 41 raitw~,- tn~Mportiltion pol-.ict i• U.. o:~Uauy.

1 rHld tbat 1o be ¥Cr)' ... rotUtiPtC' i• eAu kR- ·~ UTe u Lillttt•tion t;/ llloc (cdcnl JO"'ChWiklll ll'flida coe)d be ~ ~ to OC*XfM I• ··~·fft C.aiiCb bec.a1l$C of i•• IOC!a· tioct.. )'d boeaute ol the •UteYCk or the ce~~ua.l ~meat 11 it not gh'en the n«at.Mr)' l't$f)(MI"btlity. The result is t10t only e-licnatioo. bccauj<C ol our unhaptli~teSS •ith noc hfvifle the dceit:ion· m.tllng fiU•~r klc11tcd in • u.efft Canada. btu :..lso incf'ftticn<:ies of g~n·ernmt:nt bcoct1use c.h< commlu lon in Sufo katoon does lh}t ha~ ll1e nc:cc"lltt)' llltlm•e~my. l t is in n much better po!!ltiun .. , make .,.luc judgments on tnany of tJ,e lr.ansporl<t lion is.w~ ur tl'le duy. being 6oostod hi Ill! area .... hc.re tbost transportatioo poUci1:11 w1ll sh.,w ~ults. However. we SliiJ Ita* dnrttivc~ O>m•ni from Ottnwa, .......

ltt .. utera C......d. u•Mpxtatioft il a YCrf itnpOf'ta.nt -..c. I• terms q( J.~pby we hi~ a 9U) br~ COIJ;alr)'. and 011e of the •"Y tllio.p tlult billllk • la&dhes if ~bolt policy. l"'lti is parhcvll rty to ift -uten. Ca.raada •llcrc dD• taiiCt"$ ~re $0 """ rclltn>c to Gtht.r areas ol the- counll)'. An air routt .,as rect:lfll1)' a•·srdod I'WA tq • llow it to fly from Calp.ry to Urandoon to Toron1o. Jt ttqllited a ~hange o( transponation policy on t he p1111 ol the prcvt0t111 mini5ter or traMpOn. d'lt hot•. me:mbcr for VesrcviJie (Mr. Mau11l:.ow· ~ki), n'Cn tu act an tppliontlon before tbe C.anadlan T t ;tn!JXWI Commiss.io11 so that Orondoo oould reoci\-e jet service. l'bot poJicy tuu•uun~m4l•tl wuJ ,,, ,.d~ in November of 1979. h t ook ~'Cr a ycur IQ t.aw.ard tbc ro-uo tO PWA. dtspile tbt fact tbllt PWA was the ooly applt<:unt und dCllpilt the ra~c tlu!t when PWA did apply tt did not a~k (Ot 1 M~bsidy.

If we had • trusl(lttlltioa poliCy • bich. 'r.15 aen11ind.) attllMd to o.~.r MCb ol ~• -. watcn~ Caaada-ln all of Ca~-iit JttJOf to me. this ill'ltpona11 air roat.t • ookl ha-OT beet; •warded --=• MIOIIef,

I ,.._ abcl dis.tutlcd a-.t tl.c nul,c.vp ol the comtn~ •-hldl lac:atd the PWA t pp4tc-..t.,. •" Brudoo bt<:t in Oet.~ bet. I fd1 that two ClOmmisdonm from Sasbtoon should h.~ been <Jmoog the three who heatd the tpJ)fication. but I wn toJd two oommiu iooer11 Oil the Jlllnel from •'C'Siem Canada wa.J n\11 aooeptable bce.1u3o t hat ml&hl pre-Judice the- board's dcd · ~i<tn in flll'OUr of wcsiCI A Ctnadfl. Th:u •·all a terrible thi.ll.JI, to $11)'. I do n<K undcnnn!MI how throc 000'1mili5ioncrs from eut· 1!1n C.IIJl3d:• judgin& un b~uc affcc:lin.g eastern C'ant1d11 ouuJd nQI be $«1l to be prejudi-ced in favour of c:utem Canada.

1196 COMMONS OUQATES Man:h l. 19111

Tit~ CwmitMtltM

Pctbaps llh<Makl Pi.)' CCfltra1 Canada to b q mr-c:lr dear with m)' ooUeatucs fi'OII'II the m~ntimcs. I do aot unders:~nd how·~

ce.• lall'C- tlalt t)l!C of cto.bk S&Udlrd i• tmN ol die ... , ~art: ~~tkacd to nuh ~DU • 1tb nsptU to

tlllll:sp;.wtation pobcy i• 4Ufcre•u PJ"* of tile eo~~nu,.. J l'illd th& a ..-ery dcplon.blc :~tthudc on the Plrt ot tac federal &Q¥Cmmttt whh resfl(t11o truM{l(JruliOil policy.

We in .... ~tc:rn Conadu feel very u ronl).ly thlll we would like to be. ab'e to malfc a contribution lo the -.•ht)le oounU)' and more of a ootltributlon in lerrm olllle thinJi wr. CAn pt«<u.oe ror export, We kM'*' tblt there 1:$ • very brae demand f<w «t'elJ pt.iu aro.lld tht WOtlcL We ••ill .._.,. to work <rei'}'

b1rd to m«t tk ._..d kl (ecd peoclk. )'tt •~t arr: b<ti_, ua.ponaliocl p;llk:ia •'*' wooW allow WCIU'f'lt fai'Di.TS to c,\port lk tllillp 1"-:y prod.u«. Such: u abihty wa.ld not

be~tefitjullt wr arcu or thoe QOUntry but the roonuy u a. wbole.

Many hon. mentberl opposite ~Uk • ·hy 'tii'C mi~trwt the

10\'t ttlnU:nt so mtl(h, Thl!)' ;uk wby thtrc: IJ I(J muc-h CO•'f<:ctlt

about t he l'eUIIut iCII'I 111 h d drafted. 11 ~11041hl be olwi()lllll to tMm ~~o·hy there i' to mueh m.lstru.st. I wovkl hke to rite an

aNkt!Y- Wt aU kfi0\10' th.lt Jack toforner sat for many )'d.rS ill llis Hoac as~ mctnllier Q( Ill)' flli1Y· I do aol .._,... 00w INIIJ tl.nd lilt QS c:lcacd, llluc I bdine lw: Kf¥'011 ck a.tea of Alberu he: C':3.mc: from fOf" run u a member ol thu ltCU$oC. Ue was~ wry pupul:u member. I ull'kMud ht •~J <~ very

h;ud·working member. He: u~toosly did a JOOd ,ob (« flit QOO&titu~nlll, 0t he would not 11.-vc c:nWyi.-d eh('!, .wpport fur so ltl31'J)' ye~u, Y cc When he decided f« some rCikJ<In-1 dq no1

think it "''ill C'\'tt be known eo l'l'ot--to croM the OOOf -and sit wflb dle Uberal l~'tfnment, :he subkquently toll hir dc:posiu in c-..·o fcdef1J c:loehOfiL He bt his depot;itt bcav.se of l}le dilt..ule Pf'CIPe: ill 1M1 ridiq: Ud for lhe polic:ia the: Ubtta.J pc:r-..nau Uc1 bMe c.rryi., OUt. h Mm'~' ~ me tile Ll"'benl p'ttalhtltt lbooW be i• • p»itioo oo any 0111 potkies •hidJ \100\lld tK favourably f'C((:ivccf by a..lt tlle pooclk of Cal!l3d-a btcause. u hall b<c:n pointed out, Liberal 10\'crnments bave bee-n in power here for HI C)( t he tu. 20 )'i:IU"'I, A ;overnmcm in potover hall th~ nbllhy to pursue the po.!ldet i1 ICe$ fit. The 10\~tnment Q( •he day hallltOC se~ fit to purru.c poli(:ic:s • ·hich trut bil'ly •hat I chi~ll. is t_l:te m~t impor1t nt, dynaunic. vital and JtOWilt& .area 1111 I be oo.atl)'. This Nt boettthc cue for the

pat.t 18 )1Cm. If cllc palilftltftt lwl ,.11UC1d ..ell polic:ic:J tllere m~t be t.t kul one: memba deatd from tt~L area of the COIJOCty. h tt.o.Jd be otwiolas to l"' ~·mc•t IJt.\t i( •'C'

mbuust it or do lt04 JO I&IOtll with ic on maucn with wh.i(:IJ ._ ((:'Cf ~~o·c a~ fairly f11miliar. $\l(:b 1u. frdshc tll.tcs ur pOStal l<:rvioc, <:l t , it llht)uld not u:pcct the people of -.·c:~tctn C-anada to trust it to do the rlaht tiling In t.hat trtion or the OOtllltt)' wit.h rcspra to .50tntthift..l a• inl'()ivcd a• the Corutitution. Thill it a point the s.wtu\mtnt sbould comidc:r when 11 i~ pursuio& tbe(lOR5;titutior\JI mo~ .. t.to& ve bvt befc:n. 1111

I .alto do noc u-"Cknnu6 ud aMOt rally ,.., uy nlid tQlOO why the J.O'I'Cf•nw•l .s.lltould set a sdf·impc.td detdti~~~e. alld tt')' to mttt that dc;adline. Th:is is 2 ~·ety lttlftcial •nd c:ounte-.rproductlvt "'•>' to proQCCd. 11 wu polnt«< owt prcviou,s.. ly by a $pcakct thb ul'te.rnoon that a document conneetcd \titb

the fl11t minJncn' mc:«ina here in Otta"'~ b;Jct ln Septt•nbc:r ldd IMIIJ iMid)OW.IOI!d. Tbcrc hill b«111 tomeOOIMletl'\ lbcMII tile Pritnt Mioister- $J!Uk-•na • " 1-.pc: i• cbtd. and tbowt Ilk 80l ba111 toully (onhn:Mftifll • 1111 tcspc:.tC eo all o( the fii(U coocuftiq: ~tatlo. k made: tl> the Prime M••D­kt or Gtc:~t 8titain about ,._ oppo!lition of the pnwinca to the COMiitutiunlll rdolution. I( 1U: (IL IIIIOt lloeJOtill tC In cood f~ilh und realize d1at ihtrc reulty b no ru~ to be In u hutry eroept for wr O*'fl llelf·innk:tci!t. artiliciall)•·inlfll)ji:d time limit, then reull)' -.·c. ba'<e ~good l'ca.11Un to ptooctd.

Tlle Minl,.ttt of Juscice is !lUll l a the Uoo$11!'. I do Mt how

•httha- M: b IGkllint. belt thtre is a slton artide "' today't Mo.trwJ Gun" .-.. t.ht hc.dliae .. Mcwe llllfPOtt ..,; Chrfdcll!- Tk article rc:tck il'l put u fol~

"11Mn .-t - - • llo •IV" 11110 lk lwJ~U. .. t. ..,Id • - •'"• 11( th: ()llteo: .. ,._of Ilk libcftll n.l-1-1 WOtiKil

''Thcr,. •u~l"' llo$ pri..:i1ok d ,..,~a,! ..... ·rtw:y -'"•fiP'I" o bit of rilh•• ookl motf 111111 IWft llf<!Pif..,C> I.i(((n!linJihc \110.'1!111(1~«-Cn.bnc"" IO!o"m~h "

lt socmJ lo me that tbat ;, R ftf'Jf sohd argument in fll vl'lur or rc:tn(lll.'lnt d~e JuJy 1 deadline •nd tr,ins to £_c:t tbt rre•r~ia11 tMd: to the DqOtialillt ubk. I ••w 1101 _gy tryi114 to a« t.heln blci: to lhc ..qoti&tifll taWc:: they ba~ ollend t.o 1:0 10 die llqOiaatlfta: t.abk.. t.t dtc feder.J &0¥'1'Rmtllt lilu MC teen tit to t.tb tl!cm up Oft that offf't. IJ tk Milrister of Jwh« il sinorrc IR what be uy• ~bout rnoorc ~k: supponil'48 hi!fl-, al'ld chat eomh•& about-a$ a r«t.~lt ol 1 lapJe o( time and a "bcuc.r und\liii'Siandintf' un the pan or the. poopk about -whut '' !1:-~p· p:nifti, I hope he will pursue the Of(eB lt"'llde by the prQYiflt."fll l prc:m!en with ~SP"' eo &'C)ina bid: lo t)le neg.otiatlns tabk. If 'ft do in f.ae:t hz~ a COMtltuliool'lal 1e&Oiotion which t11e J'lf~11 ca•ftOl MJ!IIOI1 a..d ai"CC not •-ini~ to eo ak>f\a ••t ilt, ~ • ill ca1 .. ial1 be cla.•ai• o.rac:hcs ilt tbc kJq n~a.

We ltne &o Kt u .euu•rc I'COs*~ We lila"C to be- rNhl~ when Yo'C 1:0 uno a urtiOI' 9ft •"1 arnn,ement to w01k totdllcr. That IJ what 11 conSLiuuion is rullyall ablwt, A con:uitutiOfl is com(X.I)td ol ground rule-~ by • ·h kh •'C govern oursdw• am.l undl!r whleh "''e. want to work te)&ether in the future. 1t soemiJ " • me if we do oot lu~ a oontenJlllt approo.<:h. a~ in which this 10\'UnmeJU apparcatJy it~ not intcrwed- it iS; usin.c an I m~· tioft lpprott:h-wc. dc$ti"')' ralth. IRilUrity and a -.-lie Q(

fedi._ $<JOd a\Jou:t _, C(ltUlll) We t:l..lt40I a.ffont to ~1"0)' a (cdiq, of' sood • ill ••• •c ao l.n&o. unioa.. a.t tlilaf .. .....

·~ •~ d.itc:uai:n~, Wear~ calb•l about a reo11._: a rtbitth of our cOU11try I .sfi'OIII!I) urse the JOVtrR.Ifttx~ttocomtdcr th~ ' " the proccn. I apin point oul in the lllfOn.gen let"" that procc:M t~;u to be: ooru;iden:d t1 11 ~et)' impottant pnn ol the

way "''C adopt thb constitutklnlll l"tjolution. In ck»ln& I wiJI simply ay thlll unlesS; the ,overnmcnt lt

~~oilli~t~ to be mott Oexible, and rwJ.oU.ate with the pr~·l~ in a mea"iftl[vl ny. tbt prooca by • hidl it ...nn aaom.pl"-h tiMJ COMiit•tioftal retlc:'WAI •ad Jlltriat..- will caue very IC"U'C

ltllt'l • hich will uh. a 1oq ttiN 10 Ileal.

Tile MiAister of Ju:uic~ sholltd pay -auentioll to what the pcoJ~lc or Qu.diC:C arc tCIIIft.& aim aboot bow Q\leboc tncmbc:tl

ot Pvlrliament should YOtc. 1r he IJ Kriou.s when he llll)'J more

t.brch 1.19$1 COM \tONS I>EBA TES "" rropl~ aarc~ •<'ilh tbe pttnmcnl, and ,r h~ bdiCTCS 1h.a1, I hi)IIC.'I M w11ltsh~ more time, make 90mC effort. sit dwn with the pt()''inoc5, try to acroe «tao nmc:l)llina fOfm ula ond seuk 'ume or the diffet~CIC!I wi1b many or th~ prQVIncd O't'e"r tht: wuy tiH: ,0\'~'" 'nenc is pt«ecdins ""''''' t he eonttilutio~l u:t10ludon. .....

i\lr. Vl•• o .. tur (Oila .. g: .. NMt. ): Mr. Spcaku, it is iftdccd tn honoow to ha.vc. lllis OWQtUmil)' loO uddr$ the IIOUM of Commons o/ Ca..dd.t 011 lk iso.uc ol CIONth•tional n:o(Offtl. 11 k aa -..:.r ud., mlilf"C tlu.n tbal, it • a raponsibili-1)' a.fvta • bf the midcats of ot.a.apa NotC .... • ~lbll­ity w1lidl I l'lb 'fUJ ~· ~'Ct the pa~ rew months. ma•)' spe~.ltm haw Cll:ln\IMn.tt'd

on the! htstonc 01"-cnOI'It$ surta~~.IMicng thi1 ckbat~ Tbcy bl'-e loilid. aM I agr~e~ that we may •·ell be addin.t a ttntct~oe. a I»IC or pcrlu~~i even 11 chapter to tlle hU.ory or t hl~ country. llo.,..-cver, let ut bope t he clupcc:r .,<e: ndd he bYt a C(lntinu,ation of what lu!• bl:en 1 lo11g aDd bOilOOmble hiUOf)' Ql oor C••nndhan rederatioo, and I tmr>.h3sltc the word .. federation'' : a redcro.tlon ~t.•hldt h:u •·nrked -..·ell aOO h.a11 truly Jetv-ed 1his d1vrrsot land wilb it~ muhiwJtural popul.atiOJt. I hope that, becuu~e olthe tenor of the docu.ment bc.rure IIlo w·c ore not wrilin• !he I:Jl-1 cb:.pc.er q( 11 pc.K:ket boot o" the Mnal fulfil· mt!"lll ot OM mal'l'l qo.

Tbc: ~ .. by to Joi• tlw C11ns.litutioflal ckbltc 111is C¥CIIi"' is a dcbyed oppon .. itJ'. I -. tady to ,.rtidptlt lau ~'>camber • lw:tl this JO"U"'-'*dl ...t dohatc .. elld that Kq:c- ol ckbtte ift tht ffouse ol Com!RIIIM I a1n «ttai• it is ~- lin.t tiMt ;. 1hc •lOIJ' ol uy delnocnde 0011•try tit)'" •hue i• the w«<d that do.ly ekaf'd ~~tathu of 1he people wtre deftied t.he oppo"u n.ity to "f!C&k <NI what li the ful'ld.lln1Ctlt11llotw o( any c:ivilizc:d ooo.ntry. IJ~e Nltt by .,..hich •-c scc:k to JOVttft o.itkl~ qur Constiluli<Ml. f undtt$1and the l"'~rnmcnt b opin t hre<~tening dosure or t hi!o dcblte lf • ·e. the nlllmb~.fs or this Hoosc. do oot conduct oor!IC!I.,.c:tllc,:cordina to the fOvc:rl'lnw:nt's wi~hd. lt is t rvly an iJoniQ t lllte of affairs.

This IU'ferntncnt iay~ 1t i~ introdu:dna 11 bill of rlthts to 1Utli111Ce OtJr W k: (recdoms, but to dl) 110 it (ecJ' le n(OeSI!nry tq denyttut mOJt lxtsic riglu o( aU. tbc ri!ltt cM Jllilflillmcnlllri· aU. the P«!Pk's ~lttted rcpn::~Cnla.tivCJ. IO (mf) ddclw; atld d~b.tc the pr~ !qi$.1atiort berOf'C the: HO'-Iw.

C'loiutc- • » 1mpoiC'd i• the HOilSe oe O..tobcr 2J ol bst yur. TS..t (Nfl v• o( dosart pc'O"ided tdl cvkk"'" rtQt tk proocld•re aftd tile s.tnlqy c.lluxd ia ta..t rf!flntOUI Kirby 4clamtftt -~ ac1.alty bci~ fo&Jo-·cd b) the &O''f:ntnlent. YGU •1ll roc:all, Mr. Spea_l:.c:r. tha.t _...,a doc.~t wo'ith a sdr.fll lfiflhiJ propbecy. h predicted tbc t1ilu.rc ot lai:t sum· mer't consthutional rmCcrenoe; o11tlincd a plan 11t the n~nt or failure 111\d COneciC'Icd • stratet)' to ptaee the- bt1unc on tl'te rm-Anclnl premiers. Ourint la.~t tmmmer, the prc:1nleu '!\'ere ~oubjoeted to 11 fllntl ol d<JSvre because ti1nc t~l'tcr tlm\! they ..-cre thttllt\!n~ by a n impoocd deadllru:,

This ptQQCIIS of t.u'l~mly ;1nd 11n<.ltte ba.w:. t hlg attempt Ill impoM: de~,t,dlind, has oontir~ued duri~tg tbt 'lthc)ic L'Qfl)"titut~

n~ Ctutswur/Oit •• rrootS$. F'uii ol all, the 'Qo,>ernn~nl refused le) ptrmlt tch:vilo\iun br.,.du, ti_na. Then, 11ndc::r intcn~ pn::s~nrc from ll'te Pr~rc$~i''e Comen'll tive P~~rt)'o it rc:luclunUy piW,wl':d the Can:~di:.n ptMI'Jlk tl) ~~ the: committee:. i.n actjon by mean• of a.~~:npkte television QCM:r•ac. Al*i" the oom•niw:e ~a11to ait on No11embcr 6 or 1:.11 ~ar a nd wlli i•nmcdtatcly ad\•lkd thrtt t.hetc w:u u 0t,'(embu ~ dc;adllnc, at • ·hich time it$ prooocd· ii'IJII were to be Cll)ll(ludcd. Aa;tln, inttmc ptc»uJe from the Progressive COtU<trvuti~( opr-itlon 0'11 tbc p-crnmm1 nnotlly taultcd (n t.he C:dCIUion of the ckadliiiC to Fdltury 13 or t his. ycar. 1110bic .. was the d.tte Otiatully dcaw.dai bf 011r patly. TlwoutJIOtU tilb ptOCCJrll,. ttlc ~ lu.s .uck CYefl' dlon to limit ..... ...- ... rrce dcblte ol tllis ~. Thty ba:''e au.cmptcc:l C.O li••u the pamcip~-t.a. ~ dw Caudf. •• people 1n thdr O'l"'ft CGmtitel~ Their hearyllaaded IIT'O­P.IKlC ba5 almosa ma.ck • MOCI:ery ol the <kmocntic proca;5.

FiBally. when lbe pc:rn11'1en1 limited tbe cumbtr or CCK'UU.I· t.ution;s.l aperllthey •·m1ld nltow tu III'J'Qr before the oommit~ tee. it JxQme. aOOndJtlltly clear thciy bad t'Vt"l)' irttentioft of appt«tcbing oon~lltudt)ll,lll rcf~rm In a dk1otl(lril•l manner. liiHw.·ins ""' inp\11 (r(lm M)'OIMI c:xoc:pl their own hired handl and their owo bllfC:tU(l,..tl,

I l!u.@&e~t to you, Mr. Speaker, ti'Mf to mc:mbcn o( the Hqc»e. p.utkul.uly to th .. on the ochet sick. lhat we i.n th. west are fatni ll(lr with tlw re;~ I d tutc :.gent wflo trid tu Jell you ;1 bou$C Qt IJil .,.runcnt b6oc:k ill creat !w.te and. in an attcmpe to 4o to. makct every Und tJI dui po.s&~bk • hh nct)'OIIt. Wt t.o. tiull I• •• c:a.\a llw buyer is wdiMiris.cd to led f« tcrmita '" 1he bttcftltflt of tlllc ~ tbc qeal it: U)iQc to .sell ... We aho ltMW tha1 •ilal a ear detkt tries to sd) a ~ au.t.omoblie a.M ancmpu to a;lllldode tbe sale '"a I'U$b, the bv)<er is • ·dl tdviKd to klolt for sawdc.ut ill t he crant ·ease. Sun.ilall)', • hen t pmne mlni:utt ol Canada. par • ticularly if bt il 11. Liberal, tries to n~ah tbroY&b lt.e coo51ilu· tionaJ resolution. the pc.q!k: of Canada h3d better take a long And close loot at t ile amall print becuuse ~wnelhinz ir buund to be tlt.c:rc th"l the Pfimc Mlnl~tc.r (Mr. Trudcau) dcx:s 001 want tbem lo find.

Mucb o( the appreflcnston, distntsr and, indt<d, anger 111 th.is n:~•tioo , whic:h it app;trtnt tluou~t tb.is counJry. i11 dve eo the unseemly h.astc •itlt 1111\k.lt ttlis docli:mcnt is bclna r•slttd tbtoo&lt the pa.,.llmC'flbt) procca. Time after time at the comntktcc "-'IC • lllllttk\ pkadcel (or moorc tiiDC. Atc~ tJilhop Cb.rt ift b prucet~tion to tk comraitttt ad~ tht <OI'Ulitt« 10 \.U.~ ~ UIM to rd'lect :and to study I he

.SOC.JnCnt to cawrc t,..,t 11 • ,..oprrty 001klei•cd ud to •11ow cbe Culdia.a people tO UV'CI an I•I"JI illtO iL

In my own eomthKnC)' o( Obllf.Pft North a II'WP wq forme:c:l •·bicb made 1 • imple requesa, arc« a great deal of stud)' Lbat tbe deadline be- c~ttcnd<!d by li.( m«~ths. ttld that the committct: be 11llll111'C)d 10 ttll\'el t.hrw&hout C11n.ada. 1'hc arwp collmod almc»t J.OOO n11n1(1; on a petitioo i.n support or their requeu w.hkfltbe:)' ~nttO th~ Prirne Micister aM to the committee:.. Or ~rt~e, tho Prime Millister iporcd thl.$. pcti· tion.u he did a 750.000 mu'l\C pethioo wbich he rCQCived rrom Quebec. his 0'<\" provl1w:jh

119$ COMMONS Dt:.BA TES \brdll.. 1981

T~ Ctllutitv.tiolr

A t t he bctdnnina ol thit dcbntc. tb~: lirA! tl1ne tbe hon.

member for PrO\'-encber (Mr. Epp) spoke 111 thi11 Sl:l£.1!, he

uucrcd •·tu•• I oollPder eo k prophetic word~: tl\at ti.mc doe•

QO! tftJICC'( tbat "'biC'.h Js done witllout ,,, 1 •-a.8:dl to Lh~

HOUI! tlut 1m1t will i.dccd cleal laaMiy • hll this IJ&suty

~ ud trudty fb-.'C'd doatmmt. M tile ckblte on t'-c

c..,n::-~t.irution has propci,\Cd ~r the p;!jl mcmths it lui

b«lomc cvkloent tu me, aMI I tbiJtk to many people. b«n~J~

•n::Uly Sf>c:llkcf5 have pointed to thi.s probltrn, t l~t t.he debate pi'Ql:ccded 011 two con•flktely dirrcrcnt phiklllophi~ ()! • ·hat

tb~ coun1ry .. .._ is now.""" Jhou.ld boeomt i• tbc f111~ Thit ckbu.t bs ,.c c. ill o.. r.., « UOifwl' ~ Confftkt.. tioa. h 111~ tile "") IQhtr< ud I bd~-(: tbc: n:ry found:&· tion of thb "cat oounuy. .. " ...

Thotic ""lt<.t JUJ!ptJirt tht t(l'lcrnn~etu's rcsotu1lon- the Uberul

members or tbis H0to15e, the l-Ion. Leader or tbc New Oemo­

cntic ~11)' (Mr. Sroadbent). toiM membc-n o( "' ~rty ud or cout.:w:l ,...,. cditon; of ,.,.,_,aY'Oer • ttroac ttatral p·trnn~IU :uW w-ould S« C.nada eventu..lty ~ :a unt· tary Slll l l! 11 ~~ dc:u to thi.'l'e who llnd~Nt~and tbc .$QI.iaiL't

mind "''h)' ollll()(:julisu. c:l( .. -ept (Qf the p~~lble c..:ccption Of the

Pre-nlH:r or Saskatc-hewan, ' UJ)JXICl a unilary IIUtlc:. ObviouSI)' tbe de"''llt &<Ill o( Ill sac:uli~o~ if tO t:I'ISII.rc: 11\it the ~"le qw.•n•

1.bt .nta.M Gf ~vato.., iMhldt'IJ. Jand.. 01 ~r»t tb is .. .,. pow11k 1ft a •dary Wk wd all pooqt ill 1he «atr21

p ·cnuflc.tu. The Prnn~er ol Sa$b.tehe•atl bd.eve$ in th:tt

particular tbc:ory l:l«au.sc he buuaht up m()jit of the la~ in

Sa$b lthil""'• tL But it it not c:lea.r to me why the liberal majority In the l loti$C lut; l!dOpted this iOelallttk go.J. 11 it

~ble, )Xrh.aiJ' probable. tht t tbc: JOVc:mmet~t b.lckbcMbetli •re ..,.,,. ~u1s.h.ly follow•t~J tk clkult$ of t.hr PriiDC Miaisler­

Pttlapl thq are DOl ~ •hn thll tt.e JNII• U.Cy -~ cbalen tG foUow itan·itsbt) lnd' to tile dntriKtlOft of t«k-nJ.. ism and the: (Ufm:~tion ,,r 11 tuth.:tty st:uc ... The J<l~c:mll:lC'lt Ius

n()'.o.• traveUc:d 110 far down I he ti)Cial~st Rl(ld that pcrba~ it is hard (c.r the hon. n~rubtra opp:~Si tc: to dillln;ul,h. On the ot.her hud. rc.rhaPfi they arc • w•rc:-, bC'i.ng for the mOS1 part

from the protiiiOC:S of Onurio and Qwdxc.. Pe-r"*~ they are

a"tll".iare rklt llbwrially. Ottawa nutS eh CIO .. Iry b the

bc-M:fic ol ccntr .. r Col.~t<~doa, lnd«d t~ Ubc-qJ kttbcndtcn.

ma.y be more wbtlc a.nd anu1c lbu.n •·c think. Thc:y rn:ty evm realize th.n t lr C anad.1 bt!cQtt"l(ll a IH'tit:l.l')' stato. noc]ling muclt will chanJI.e fQf" Quebec Md Ontari<J.

The olhl!t •* Af' Ilk tru.t debitt I' tq~o.'lilud b)' lbo:Je of u~ who bdia'c that Ca.Nib wa.;: aut.cd ift IUl as a fc:denl

lUk. ud a, tllosc- wllo beh tbat tbe deM.iay q/ this- rrcat l;;and. wuh lt:l lmmmse di•IIIIM:Itll. its Gn&lliUi.: alllf etbnM:

diiTetc:J~cc:t.. it.s drversity of euhurc and it$ eKrrcm(!l of clinlate, could Oil I)' be realized in 11 ilrcngthencd and renewed rc:de r.ll-­

il!m. rQr the ltlU~I p:u t l hc~e reopl~ are Progrcui~·c: COO!ie("\'11·

til-e mc-mbc-rt of the: Hoosc-.. '11le« .. ~ lk\'a" bcas <1~ COorltC'$1 m tht H OIIK O'IW tile isMc

to p1t.riatc tile C<lltaillcioft 10 Cauda .-.th an :a«q~Ubk ;ammdiq form11.la.. Ita fact, the Coo.semttive (!Qny rnt,WI:(t wd• ll mt>tion nnd rt "''<~$ dcf~:;ucd b) tbe: bon. tnetnbctl opposite.

1'herc h:ls fiiC"IIU been :tn)' real <ontellt in tl'lis ll t>use tJr

d$Cwlla c: 0\•tr the it>t-ue of a bill (I( rl,tl•ts. Ccrtulnly I think

llloet people agroc that tb t time: for 11 bill or rig.hti ia now. Out thti COI!Itts:t ill thl1 del»tc si:nc~ the t"tiOI•tioo •·If nn,t int~

41KCd Ns bam ht "'bat oo.•uy thl1 btU $llou.ld be fraiiiCd and

PIJIC'd iMo ... Tlllt kas tu. the- CIO'Ik:$1, tliul h:u bee• tk ~ •• .'Y:rtl. tll3t hat bcc:o t'-c: I:PIJ(, 11 h.u bceo the: .tllbjCd or tlitoemlqn 11nd ck:bl&tt- in commiuec 11nd m the Hou1c: Only to 11 dC@Itt 1\as the C(lt'lle;.,.t invoh'4'!d wl1111 kind of bill of rl3htll ,..e. w~~ont, iheo reul h!Ouc: • •bich lll•li uri~n In tllis ootllithutional

debate i~: uftit.uy u.att <1: foderal p ·ern.mc.111, "'"ktt t.h.tU i.l bo!

TJw- co.stitU1••1 raol•tion rtllltt punme.t ...- br.bc the ._,~~ conl.llitl• tbr«: c:l<:mcnlt •h,c-h. if C".lt'Tkd i111o taw, • ·ould Inevitably le~~d t he country down th.e rQad th 11 1.111ltary •t.ll tc in y,•bich fld'OYintial ,.ovemmcnt~ •-ould booomc. J'll•htM;ul

cvnuclu;. ~~ hci:t, Or. at worst. would diJitppe:ar altogether, The:

first dement k.adul.B to a u.ftitar)' "-le it tile break .,.itb

tta4•c.oe. b)' s.t.l; .. 10 ~ tbe Bmd.lit Non• A~ Act u.mLu<'t'lDr in INttc:n sR"ecti-s u dtnm pnwi~dl ;w.dic­tlo.,, This: attion s:tnkq 111 the w.ry heart or f<dcr.~;ll,.m ;and dd'lC$ OQn111 ituti4fl ~l cooventi<NU whk.'fl have c:nw:r,«l JillQC 1867,

Sccoodly. the rt'(lptW.'Id amcndln$ rormulll et( th~ p't'rl~

mc:•t makes it if'ln·iuble tMt the federal S)'SICOI • •ill d~pp:.;;at and that .;a aatrallxd NitiiJ' Mile •tit t'lhtl~. 1""k pctpc:tNI

\IC(\) of Qu<b« 11'111 O.tario .. tile: •mmdi•.! '"'"'•b. ~ from tbe fa~t chat it vnn«C~.Drll)' cr~ta soecond--4:b!l» IWOY· iti('O and. by implic~aiiOn. $C'!OOnd•t:buli citi.ztns, eonfltmJ the

ch1Hge.so wd l eKJirCIJ.~ by tln<Mher mc:mber 0 11 thiHide ol' tbc. llousc. that the Prime Miai&•~ colk!tilles this country 11.s

C!Oil).isting of Uprct and J..,o..'U CaN~ and t.boisC" P'Ott·l8CC5 i111 tht .JI)oft.Jkd o.tn Cau.:b: t.llol,t people firi:q. ia prov~~~U:S

ovt:Mdc tM c:catul afa..

11lc '-"Omtitutional resolution befo(}l(c: ua also propoKJ ~ ~reo

r<:ttdum u n meant of an:amendiA.J, (~rrmll.a, and it 1lllow' only the fedet:'ll govc:mtnent ICJ inlti.31e 11nd Ol.lflHOI t h~;~ r..:fetc.nd ll tn "tQCe$5- This iil .11notlle:r major propolMI ••bich will lt"ad ine,·ita·

bly to a -.ut.i.arr •u.tt,. nts laa it I'CCIOPmd th~J)Iout t.11e C.ftll}' i• all~ ..-bcrc the CMOqiC of fc:dmltwn a, lldd ai8C'ntNI: ia f;;a~ i• aH prorinca o.ukk etatnl Cauct» ~~

M "'·by there hall bclt"n. $0 much 'riolen.t nppo=litktn to tile intr<M.Iuct.io,)tt or thiJ re.wlutioo in iu prt"JC.tU form. Th11t JN"IJ\'i· l ion WitS (he (In~ 'A'hkb Ptemier Ulhltcney or S:ukotdtcwun

tollld not swallow, 11 "'aS: so 10 Sf'ICIIk, 1t11! ch.it -litn bon~ to hi~ t~roat w•o fi.n~ lly fCJrtled: him &O joht tile other "'uta• alld ~ern prcwillltt'S i111 R'jcQ.iq; ,.._ propaqL

Wily ;ne •-c se. dt•t•rbed th;at thti raolutioo,lU dnt'\rd altd

Jll•cod before th\t Hou&c:, will evcntu~Jiy nsult in more et:nln l­l"lilllon of po,.,·c:r In Ou.:twa a.nd eventVJ~IIy 11 sing.le unilary lii.A tc'~ h is fair to .,.)' '~~~'e are di-,;1urbed bccaulio!i (l>ll f ptoc::nt

federal $Y&:Iem or •Q'IWIII'ltl'l1 is unlqu~ly •"" ideally ~~ouitod lo lk llll!td:s ud rcq•ircmc:•ts ol t.hli ,-eat country. We I• t.Us COIInlry tod2) have a fora ol J(I"CMMIInon wllictl rally wu not

foraocon by llle fat!Mtl O( C«<fecfe,..I.Mlll. W~ h:tn- 8 tcdcral ll)iltttn • •hicb hu been molckd .n·er the yean by c:.\pcric1lct

COM MONS OE.6ATES 7199

ao~o~l by <:b:~nges m:•de eo meet tbe. d retunsunec.s of the timC:li u...:f 0011dilions of ou.r unique oountry. Today we .have a sys:tent ,·,f f.;do:rulism which U .,.·ell t1med and find)' hot~ed to meet the (ll-..:uliat and ch:•llenging requirements or a ooun11y so large und •li\ocr.se M Canada. e\•tn though chat ~ystem might not sui t the ocntraJist tendenclc:s ~f che pre5c:nt g0\·ern1n~•t.

Wbe11 the Fathas <•f Coofc::der.uion first met and even•ually "'41f'kcd out tbc: d.ecu.iJs o( t.he British North Am<ri.;a ACI. cbey wougb• to aYoid- at !~st $<)me of them- ..,•hat they thought ... ue dangers in the docc:ncrali.zati<ln • hieh tool.: pl;1ce i n the United State~o. In 1867 U.ey feh there ...,...s a grie\'-oos Cfi'M in 1hc wa)' that oountt)· l•atl d~·efopod sinoc its bcgim1ing, 11 nd <111 il was emerging in IS67. Tbcttfore. some ot the rules and rcgult~tM>n.s the)' laid out in the SNA ACI "·ere duigrto!d to lij11.'>Cifically givt Ct:rW.in fi.s.hl$ to each pt.wiucc 01nd cercain t ighuta tbe federal gove.-nment.

• 11~)

How"CVer, hjstor)• bas nt) rc:s~t for expens aM tod.:.y we. find both the GO\•ctnment of Canada aod the {tq.'Crnment of d,..: Unite:<! St.11tcs eonsMkt:S~y ch.,nged rrom what tbcy wttc •n 1867, Today i11 the United States 111e find tb:u th~ gQ'\'trD> 1110:11t in p..l>~o'C.r i~ c:emrali:zed in Wsshi~too. The power e-r the :~t:llt:~ h:~ ahnost disappeared. ·t ud:&)' these is <tlso the tboug.bt by people who 113\'t examined the ""'Oflr:inss a( that £,<1vcrm ncnt that the gavecrnmcnt in Washington is <kit ot ~o:omr<H. They say the go"'ernment is ung0\'tl'll.8ble-:n\1!1 unmaoogcabk The new Plesident of the Unit~ St<&tt$ has been sa)'ing recently that tltei"C. must b.:; more de-ccotr:tliu don. that fftW'e power and mc.>rc rcl!pc>nsibility mu.s-t h< &ivc:n t.o the .states if thcit prob-­k ms ate. 10 be sotved.

In 1fli$ counuy "''Care ~:.ying there .should be more.l.'\'nlr:.li· r.<Hioo. We must surdy hil \'t teamed by the expaicrn:c11 qf otl•cr oountrio .such as Swcd~11, F.ngl:md (ll)(i the United St:I(C$, where cenualiza•ian hl•:s made gO\'etnments srcrv.· to su<:h an extent they :~re no lone:er rnanag~ble.

Ch·er 1hc years in this coun1ry .... -e ha''<: &cen a &OmeONh:ll diffc-zcnt story. in spite of the <lrirt toward tcMraU2:ation wbk:h occurred dur~ng the depression and the Se()()nd W()fld War. At t""""e Cimt'$ provir;cktl government$ roeog.nizcd tbt ~ed (0<' nlore pol'·er in Ou:t'-''.l in order to pro~ute the wa r mQrc dfickntly. Mtcr peaoe aNI"'td in 1941) the .s~o~c:ceedin.g )•ears "~~"" mQf'e respons..ibili ty being llsken by che provi1.cts. Tllis c:w bt Sl~ll i11 th~ SP<lnding studi~ is.1ucd by H~e gO\'ttnmcnt .-~ntl)··

In 1867 srltnl$ and wbliidie:<~ fmm tbc federal go'f'Crntllent H.'jlrcsentcd aboot 80 per c-ent to ?0 per 1.'\'nl t>f tl,k rc\'enll<:$ of l.he pto.•i.nces o( NO\'fl Scotia :uld New Jlrun~"·icl;. At tbat tin1t grant.t :wd subsidieoJ tcpre$entcd botwocn one. bal( and ,.,.~ thirds of the re~-enu e.~ uf tbc then p~·i11Cd of Ontariq und Que-bec. t\ numbe-r of ycors later. in 192(), we e~~n $CC that the prll ... inCI!$ were ooUe<:ti•l! 6 .S per cent of the tewnue and thc­i('deral gO\'trnmcnt ooly JS per cent. Through upcric:ncc Canada lu.d bec.,me a mltcll more. dec:encralized ooontf)' by 1920.

Tltt Conslituri(;,,

lf..,·c a,Jil in look: at tbosest:Hi!ltics (or t94S we kc that the fedttal gt.n·trnn~ena':~ t.:.x l~·r reach<XI almoc>t 72 pet ocnt :lnd thlll pr~Wincial and municipal levies rdlcl!ed Mly abc:>ut 28 per cent Those figurt:s si~· :. dram:•tic $hirl of Jl(lwer in those yean (rum the province11 nnd munil:ipalitks to Ottawa. As:·• in, thi~ Wh_$ because Cansdi:utS fdt it wa.• nec-.~l!a r)' IQ s hirt the powe1 in ()(der to prooecnte the wur ~VQCCS.Sfully, v.•hich. t>f ooune. •'C' d id.

G•lint, aver the sl.,listfc.s. looking ot 1918. we. sec. th:1t the pn.wincial "$hare of tt'1<:11ut b:u ristn t l) almQSt SS per cent. As s.oott as t.he d~re:tt uf •·:.r Wll$ Q'r'Cr. che people of this country :-.gain felt lh.lt in order to fully satisfy tbe nctd~ ;and de~< ire$ of citizens in ca-d t p~Ht ot the: conntry il "''as nectl«1ry 10 d«entrillh:e-tbc pc1Wet, and 100 1bey did. These statistics ~hc)w lbal the people wbo raised ltlOSI of the m1)ney •·ere tbc ptoYi.nces a.11d tbe munidJxtli t ie:~, $inee.. so to .SJ)C'.ak, that i ~ wbtre t.he at ti<>ll WM. Thii indicates tbat t.he people of 1hi11 <X.It.Iotry instinctiVtly follo<A-ed the- old p(lliticu.l rule of s:ul>­sidiariay, • ·hich me:~n~ thut ruk.s and la~'·li should be made at t he lcYel ••here their im)Xlct.s are fch 1nOSt. I think that is a politictl tule this &()verntn~t seek$ now.• to forg~c..

My s:uggestjoll. Mr. Spo.';lka. ill th:ll (wcr the )'Cau the. Csnadlan Con~l it ut iun h<ts pro"'cn to be a big}dy fl exible dqc;umem. This rcoc:ntl)'·is$utd tc,por1 big,hl f&hL.- the f;~ec that tbc BNA Act b:llS ptO\·en :ldcq..,:He to enable Cunada to handle th~ change frqm IJ rural sociecy of many years ago to wb:tt i::; now essentially an urOOn :ttwf industrial <:'>mnmnity. Our Con· stiiUtion ltss enabled ea to mala:. tbi:s chan.ec (8Sily. I bdtcve .,..e all knQw 1bq.t dQrinJJ that period .M c./lartgc t l~otre w;u :• tremendous growth in gM-cr.unents at :111 Jcvoeh;~. In $pit<: of that gr()'it.'th the prc$Cnt l!ystem b hiahly fl<:A.ibfe. h is \'try rc$PQn:sh·c to chc needs and rtqoiremc;us of lndivhlu.:t t PfO\'· incc:s, Oor ptestt~t Constitutiun lull been 11 s-.ooess .since it baJ resulted in a de<:elllrnli i:cd S)'$lem, Only Soa:iucrlaDd. ron· si<lered to be the Ol<)t;t dooentraUud country in thf! world. is mote dccenualittd. Our ~~~tcm is one in which boch tl~ pnwlnci;d SQ~o'Crnmenls and Ouawa are stroog and wdl equipped to fulfil their l)lll'ticul:tr fuotci()nS. Neither Ottawa nOJ the pro'fiMeS arc autooamc)Uto. A"tononl)' has gi~·e«~ ""'8Y to lntcrdcpcndcn.ce. Thai is a.s it sbould be~ That 6 v.·hy I OJIJIQ.'loe t.he imposition of this COMtitutlo!UI pru~T, 11$ ~my party and 1n:tn)' milliont ot Can<~~dinns , h proposes eo break up ~ system • ·hieh tw. worked well in the past and whf.cb w-ill wQrk well in the future.

In a <:O\Lntry su<:h a.s Canada t.here-m.u.~t be c.,.QtXtation and ongoing OOflsulbti<~n . 'l'hi$ country is jU$1 too big., too diverSe to be ru.n solely from Otta'<l'8 as t 4'WiS11ged by tbcse ll>l'UI'O$o11s, The future: must ste the continll01tiun of tbe creoc.f to develop n1ajor n.at ion3J JIOlicic:s by(.'()n:suhation and dis.eussioo ami not in:. unibltcrv.l fashion, ILS has bce!'l 0\•idenocd by this eom1illl· •ionul process:.

Tbjs Hou.se llh<~ultJ be a'-'·are lhac • ·est ern Canada will ntver :.gain tQieratc tbe S)'l!tem of tcntraliud g<wtnunent in Ottaw.l wbcn the vocing conlr'>l Qf thut SO\'ernment remains in the­hands ot Ont:u ic) .;~nd Q~;~eb« on <:"'etY issue. and In p:~rticul:~l' on tl1<l$C i.\l:it~CS wbic-h (undamet~tslly :~ffeet tl)c: lxu:ie inte-r<:$1S

7100 COMMONS DEBATES

""' l:.oiutiflllliOtt of "'CIIIC:nl C!u~da. We ha\"C 5Cal Ulc fe5UIIt of I bat tind of effort in tbo me of alieu1Km ar.d io tbc inueiU(Id fC~Cili\S c.t Gepllrl,llis-ln which ptcstatly tllim in wa1cnt Canad11.

W;: fill know this b <1 far hclttl' document bect~utc cllc CCinscr-..11 11..-c ()pt'ld4ilioo. led by our le1•d.tr, w,u J.ltOOCUful in prOIOI\JinJ the ~cbu.tl! hn th.is subj«t. thereby IIIIQwin.& artll tcr ptrtiCIJIIIIlion by the pcopk of Canotda. However. it 1t ttill 11 n,.._.cd dul:umcPt.. 1t is nawcd beta~ 1hc ... ·:.y In • ·hich it is dJ2.ftcd pul'p)f'U to tonfer and gr1..ot rigb~ I wQUid hkc to apc;ak for a llll(lmltftC Ofl tlli$ i:ssoc.

A• tlrat bor• Wd .......,. liiiX$. and ~ tu bc.ucr llt:a. I am able to "Y 'IJDUTs froJD lt.c Pfoa,rd&ivc: CC*ftY.I.ti'fle P.t.11f. f11uWbmtntll frccdoll11 ve best pro&ct1cd 1nd procncd by the tC0.11J11itioft ol the. princ:ipte that riclrlitJ Clrllif'IIIC Mth h~tmafl bcinp 'I'M fi"CC''d.:Nn ·~ dicnity of the indlvldoal cdst.l lftd de.rit.'~ from lbe na1ure of 1he hwman bcll\l• All £0'--crnm~•• ~11n do d to confirm and protc:C"I IIIIOtot t~.Q.htt...

e (U,l!OI

\V~ ~IWJoltld O!lk ourJ>eh'c$, wl1.3t JStc ..-·c d(Mn1 when y,•t ullc:mpt 11> dl!vcklp 11 c:ot~itution? Wbnt are .,.,,c cklin1 .,.,btn w"­atwnpl eo devise 11\tat mMI bllslc of all l.lw•1 Ar.: we ReM $imply liUe-mptin& to dtvbe a set uf balic rules fl1''c:tnlna man U a .tOCIIII per~• ud g.G'IC:fnillJ, the reloltiOflttltp or rMn 10 man? I• blalldlncthilt &et ol rel:ttioftsllips sbotlld there nCil be u aR'iriNl* oltbe basic pri~ apoll •hkb our WC-'trr• IOC:kt1 net o.r utiaft Us boell t.Jllt

In the co.ckaljoaf OOIOO!iUt<t tht: IIICIIIbcr for Ro.rdak (Mr. Oombic) ~pra;s.cd tlllis •11cn be saW. "'Coftuh•tioM •re rMde up of nl\lef.. intetC$L 2nd bc:J;er. Qf the poop~< •• , 11 tannot 4o 110 ultss the fundament.al .o.NC ol the priMiplcs t.IPQft v.hlc'h thlll 50Ckt_y rcsu are articulaled c.le#rly ••• The f1ct of t.hc n\!uer k that oor rightt do nol oome rrom the IO~·ernment, but fron\ Other $0UfQC5, (rUn'! tntdhiOft, from (illd, •• The r~stnt hll kemd of v.•c:stc:rn d4:m(letntlc ffllth i~ such ttmt dl~w:nt Is allowed from K(n'cr•t•l'ltlll ~~;nd dlac:nl h:ti 001nc by tn app:al &\'i:f go"tmment..s 10 God. ThAt Is the hi!(tl>l)' (}(our tradition- .. 1'1ut it wbat tbe hon, tnentbcr auld. and I II,IJCC,

Tile dcfitdtic:ltd ol <Mit freedom.\ and ti&J'U ifl tllk COtinlf)' llt.a4 8CitftiC. of their bc!iMi.,S i.a tk com.tnM: b• of Et~~LIIId wb.d at chc: cM of the rwdttl: CdlU1f wu tltcaCty ut ID'Qtd the flU bill oia (ttt ud dt:Qxutic teddy ol rctp(lllflbk 1nt11 .~ •'OIMII· ..... cksi.,&a is dear io d••• .... ftlnOUt of dQcvMCfttS, the Mapa Cana. qr •·h!Ch Atdlbi~ $~ lAflllor. • 'h tht •rcllitoct.. The (&tnOU$ worcb of Utal ChAnet (jnbody the (ol lowir~g f«mula:: "'o f"lft 11'11• 1hrJI M 11Mn qr impt*"'O: or 4~ of l>ot (r.. "'""'e.~ •

Qoo\1.1"8 fl' t•oNd Of in·~ ~1 *~ unl~.,. l••ful JlidJINIII..., loi o

"'" 'fhe MIIJ,n tt Cnrtl&, 11.$ v.•reJ.Itd from King JQhn, w11' Miled a$:~; &real bill ol riJbts. Yet it ~~o~·od i•otlllna ot1 the E!.1181ish pe(lllle. h nl<r.!!ly rtCOgni.l.Cd tbci.r ri.JJht,, chlcny chc freedom of free men •nd women.

'Oiis: tradilion continued tnd Jfl'll"AIIi io tbc AmeriCJ,n oon5titution in the oow f111tOUi pan:t!C.. • ·hicb ~d.s as roUcYo\<s: We holllll:- I rut ... t \1 be tell told~, 1 ~111 11!1 101•1"~ tfe;IW$ CIIIJrJ, th•t lftq IlK .... bow ~~~ thtlr nwtor .. !th «rlllill huhlf'l;lbl~ •it~hli, that UIIOf\J dll!lf nrc lif11,Datfll!ldthe ~,uh uf Mflti-

Tbls chancr bc:rorc 1hb HI>U.'Ie bt6tow.s nothing on the Ca~tadian people:. h merely r«~C~~I'Iizd ttld attempts 10 protect right'l alte::tdy nistina. That it wily tbc Pmgm>Sivc: Con.~· ti'tU m(WCd th;tt tlw: ptc~amblc to the Jolln OiJen~k« bill ol riPts be inuod~~o~.'Yd l•&o t~i:t cht"er. 'f'Mt preambk read lA rwt u (allows:

,.. c:a-ao--· - ........... - .. ·- -'• 1 1( 1-..,.._ " Ill G.ot. dot..,_,_, .... ., ......... ,..,.. ....... ,...... ., tk t-.1) ··~.,r-••",..., _.,._._..._

I ~aOy. • lad there arc muy aem&S this uat nuioll • ·ho .asr«. caooot acccpl • c:bane:r v.ilkll does 001 e:tpra& dearly and ickotify the .ourcc of all ri&h15 and froo6omt u deth'itlg from ' he tUitUJO or the fiiCtlbat v.·e are bum11n beintL

There are othC:f t\aw• 11'1 thif docu"'ent. Raws due to tho pr~~$ and h:u.tc which hn~ <hllffitlai-r.td 1hc pa.ssos~ of lhi~ resolutiofl. Wbert are plopcrty rlstua? Durina the CMllilitu:e hc::ufngs tbc bon. mct•1bet (ot PtO"CrM:hcr proposed tt11: ftlfl(l~ · in1 amcndshettl: F'r«d~J"' rno"' lOll~-* ;,"'"'~ ... IO;.t • lith ,........,. CuM,. 11-. (Oif n!l·

tpwkssu ~~~~ ~- tJl"""""' Tllu.e- buk nPtJ 11&~ bed~ a«qqlcd 01 our t~di.lioa for

twtldtc:ds qJ yu rs.. Tky a.ppdr •• lk Mapa Carta. T'hey Wa'C' ~· in J* O.fc•bl.bt' f littlll d fiPts. )"d the l..ibcnl ft'Ujority tllk d•f'C!C1• oldie ,..~ J':)cmoc:ratic Party rrtreatod from the< J'O'IhOfl ol aocoqu.ot to (ll)t CJf n:js:aioll and rcfwcd •o ano- the eh.arte:r 10 pann1et the riPt ot Ctnadia.m to o•"ll a11<1 C1l,joy l'fOI'C'rt)'. '"A ~nan's home is llit c.al.'tJe". but JIOI it1 C.nad1 11ndcr a Liberal 11nd NOP g(wc:rnnten t.

If •-c arc 10 bave a c:htrtcr, then IC1 it be the vel')' ~t we can compose, ~(ltlcl11g totethcr. Sud1 a eham:r. fuc etantj>lo, would cominit thi5- oonfed~lll.tloflto cMurinA. so far 8$ hum11n· ly pof$ible, eq,u.al opp~.Nlunhlt:t (or all citizens.. incl~ing « I''""" ily u.nder the ruk ol l~tw for rich 1tnd poor alike, aud tqtwl prota:~.ion agaimt di:scrimlnatioR of all kinds. i.nc:lodinJ. di!(· erimiftttion kc:lu:se of su. •• a~ o:ooomk m«su. For eumpk:. ~"should be J&(cp;anlcd a~l disc:riml~us.m 'because they ate •vmc•. or b«auc lltcJ ut dckrir YVmCn. ot bc:c:au$e they af'C cl6cft1 "tJfOMC8 •itllotal tM wltc:tc--itUI to •'t't free fto01 ,... .. , a..S fear i• tbcir rduurk':Ot )'QB.

In t.hd iastUCC I qrec • -lth lholic wltM) say tl:ata.a t4eqwt.c cha rte::r slloukl iftdudc IIOIYIC ~tlon. of oc-omk alld toeU.1 ri!bli. u well '-~ polilkll. lqal a11d ch·il ri~hts. Mttt aU. the 1948 llnittd Natton.~ Ufl1vcrul l>cc:Liution of Human RiJ!.hh and latc:r intematiOIIIII covc.nlftti, whM:h Clln.ada bs rormt11)' endorsed. I~ , .• H~>ta ect'ltM)mk 11nd 11\)Cial rights.. includins the ri.ht to a st:mdard ol llvi"' adtquutc to lhe bciiJth und v.•eU-bcin1 of every perMitl unod l:unlly.

Fu1ther. I conl."llr with Ill\ observation made by the· 8.C. fcdc:nJtfoo of labot.~r 1n h11 r~:oent •ubmifo11ioa to the QOnSti tu·

COMMONS I>£BATI-:S noo

"'""''I oommiuc:e when it u;ct tbat rQr mott dtltcn' social aM l~u•w••'"' conditif:lllj tw.~ more day~tt>-Cby •i.inirM:ance ttlnn ch·ll rl&hU< u d political frt~dums w]lkh <&re c•tnbliJhod. Th31. ,., 1 ll•'lt de-gree:, i ~ like people in .,.·estern Cunnd"3 a nd JX'(Iflle In nil purtll of Cullllda wondcrit13 ""h)' we 11pund 110 mucb time ' "' till¥ O.IMtituti.oo and wh)' the &O¥emmcnt ha• noc 'J)C"tll 11'\0IC linte bringing f«tb .solulions to end lnO~&tk>n., h~.&h u•tcr61 rtte~and Ql'l«nployment.

There U aiiiOCh.er point- In at ka.st two provind:.l codoes. or ~'-lttctt Ot ria,h4-. there. alread1 nisu u .q~tlnlkfll Ot impticM fUJOiflhkMt vi e.co.oatit alld .)QitUI n,htt Tk Btili:s:b Coh.Mbu cale pnJhibits dismrrtioatioilll Oft aa) I'O'Jild peep~ •here rutOUWc CfOIIllds ea .. be' ckrni)IIMI,.tccl Qwtbcc:i daa.nc:r ol ri&bu a.d frecdoola probibib ••)' dlliCrimhutioe bc!clw;e Gl $0NI ClODdit.ion. J s.ppos.e ~~ eonditioa • •W lndudr inRifriCient i..eomt for ~,..e hum.n noocb h shcMIW tiC\'er nand in the w:a)' q( $Uliol citize~~J. mo.t of them e.ld.erly women, who ha11e gh·cn so cnueh to thdr ('(lvnny.

Such di~Ctimln.;Hi<•n i:s irnolerablc, MOfc Cunfldillnt W<'lutd teeoa••i1A thif unacceptable state of allan·$ we•~ ~ud1 lack oJ I.)JIP.'rlllnhy uR!f fin;tndal d!:~l-rim inutiqn pr(lhibhed In any futut~ much itnp~W clwne• of rithtJ,

Thl)- CoMtitudon is also nawcd. ~liiUC'l ,, doe! not ade· qu;atd)' dol •ith oolkcti"' riJbU Tile F*r•t~ ol ltldcptnde:llt School$ 1w (!Off«tly polfttcd out tlut as t~ cNrl«r flOW "•Mds. scctioe U -P• ._u cndatllft' the Hilit1 o( «:nai• cwpaint.io.:l to proride KfYko to theft c:oM~il•· tftb.. The: dwt« .,_.., be e.ba.qc:d to 1.-.. •• CMI!Ii.,Cioft du~ as they AfUCSL At it 110w u.ad5. tbe cUnf:f ,.., aab a•"t)' ril.hti th~t C'urrcntly e~

fo"inally, I bdif!"\•e tlut t.hc ri&hl to h(e is lna&quatdy jtlllll'f.ntood In the el\&rter. First. and I 1\a\'C AMI thi.l teo~~rlier, tht: eh11rtcr ~hould n':t.k"t' eka.r thut t he riJht 10 lire is an inherent rit,ht belonging to aJI human bcin&• bce.'IUJO O( their luut~all ity, 11 u nut a gift of this chtuttr.

My O'ol'll i)('I"SutUiotl is tl\.11 the ch.,ter &hould dearly p~cet t he rlaht to li(~ o( tbe u.nbotn. Howeve-r. I rc:lhlf th(rc are thOle In thl~ 1-loosc.- .,.,ho stten3fy objet1 to the mention of SU4:b t. Pfi'PONJ, olld 1t would not Jikely lx e~t~tcte<l

T'-crcfOf\! I wooW ur&:c this p ·cru.c:•t '-' ~adopt tk ~twc ~!M- prop:liW tiMot Ilk dllinct cbrly C!OIIfh• that the is.ulr- olahc n,.bc 10 i(e q/ tiJc •~abonl a.S tlte h&~~e ol eapttal p~•idl.menl slaould bl" ded4od "" the P.utU· ~ntt'll of Cauct&. alld that aoahitt& tn thd chaner would pt'e"Cfll lbl.

\it. Srenker. I $hould like to call it.K",'tn o'dl>ek.

Mr. o,, ... ty Spe11ll:tr. Tit<- h(ln, mcmbcr';t time IWIJ eApirc:d. l ie ClltuWI a~ill it feV<:Il o'clock.

Mr. 1'•)lor: On " PQint of order. Mr. Sp.:allc:r. The hol'l, member liiMt~ 11.t 6.2L

111>11 CMJrirllr;Oir !olr. J.>rtop.l)' Spd.lttr: 1'he hot! membef turted at 6 .20. h

bcin&~~n o"cJock 14o now l~ll,'e. the cl\air l:ll'ltil eig.ht o'doc-k. At.se->'tDO'clod: the lhJill~.;. totlt ~.

A}'Tt;H A ECFSS

Tbt HOtJSC: rt!Sutncd •t 3 p.rn.

Mr. Du l\le.Ktu.J~ (WI••i,...,.AnfaihW): Mr. Spaker, a.114/ as u~r m-y amb..t 10 .,_.., 111 tM dd»te. Soox o( ..,_ ~ ,urirtJ .w.wt act~ bile I am lilue IMiiP• -ud I • ill IN ~~ bc:sa. I cu to Make a Qllltnlllulio ...

One: qf the ~ U.t~l"' thi~ .so far •itlt rqvd to tltt •"ttok conslitl.ltionaJ ,..ct..aae and the 8•11 cl Rl!btJ h the nu:mbe:r o( rupcJ1151blc l.tberaiJ kf• in 1he oountr)' who a rc spcaki11g out apiM4 the trutnfttr in ~h.ic-lt tl1e t;:O\'t fnrnotnt 0 trying to pattlatot the: Co!llnitgticllll, I wttnl •o qtlol)tc rrom a r«cnt artitlc in lhe Thr Catm~ und« tbc: bcadin3 " F'o11r Liberal sen:.ton balk 111 ONA bill.' ' 1t rdds: M ~ r,.., u..1 ""'""" ., MnJ ,.. th:l>l l.lbcn.t .lle"~C«'l '"'" lift>~~ t~o~ny t1.1b to)- ·~HMI. f'rl fl"ll Mllll\lllot 111tl'f~ ' r N dN II'$ (<I~~Jtl!ll!.im rtf•ll!h ft$(11\;Wfl.

l11 ~ -'c::t of;"'''";.._ tllf "'"-'"'" will tlwy , ... dNI!f) (I)I!Ctmelll ., llt !.etA ~l'llatl u.1 ~lml hnptlwkiM ot tllec r«ddll~ u d ,.., ... ,.,., 'fNdn~• ~ tl(l..o)ll <OIIId 4P 1111)' ..... - ""'

()( <OW'tot. ~f'O)tlll the- <:ou.11lry wov:ld ool butkr nu.ny mm.bas oa lk ~ho Mdt. TU:t ws tlk procram U.Cy emblrtcd vpoa ~n&ny )Cia'* qo llley h:s·oc: balb.aiz.cd t.h• c:cuuy. t1tey lu.\'C .,., lt into baalnlplcy aod abl"y lt.aw: kft vs &I the mercy of' OPEC. B•t •h. I eke n, De-w'!

The attide CIOftdt~uc..! G:klillt; Prot:rcul•·ec c..-.o.t~ ... •'$"~~~<""· tk M:fllitllri" cri~iel.tt4 llot ,...

,u.at dolotttct ~~ "'-'" .. ,.. Otu•~\ thllll'lltin"ill" '" "'""c .,,.,;~,, .. ....,. •au ... , ..., '""""'"'~ liaht Q( '"' 11) prf11'illflll. o~ or 111~ -u"" 1Uf ,'1111lN11 ds "w.;,d" 11nd t...;) (Jthrd ace~ l•lin er

liltfiii'I(;)Uio~"'t:' ~~~~;~;...;:l..dlotr, thiN l • ..,_..,.,. r,.;uotolt .

When tbe PI'IMc Mluh;tcr (Mr, Tr111le:1U) "''all in Ornll in J;m11ary, we rend thi&l he arrived tbctc in his r\1nnina $hoell and i.n a Kc-rstM:k« 11.111. 'Tbc- booour gu:.rd .,.-as stand•!\£ :11 aumdon wath thc.r iJVtlf Ott th•tir •boulder~~. Wlut doq 0\1f Prime MirulSicr do7 He hucb 1hcm. ban of soap. Wbctl yo. read tcp:ltlJ lib tNt o( lk PrilliC Mi•istu eavo.-tl.n& argulld U..,. •orid.. il h: no ~ """'" l..ibenl Kru&or.s 41K aUlq bi~niNCI.

We- tcad Oft as fOllows,:

S..., do ..... d•U _... Ill•• J ..... flit ... ~"'""""-...,_. tlc pc:bea--bvl ,.111 in•ICJm .,._ t~~~b' ,..r Ill~ ""*-" • dOte._

n.:,•..cw.- o-Il"' M'"-4'11r .. hl! (0nllrif>l, , __ ,.ru,;;,,., ~ql ud '"' ctillnt"M bdc! ; .. 11or l fo.MI .,r Commo.t, flric· CQOI.: (~cwf111116nd•. 1'»11l LafMoJtQum>--

Mr. L"'(olltl is a ptefloOOII fr1cnd o( the Prime Minister and OtiC of bis fi rst app;tilltmcttli to thll Set~te.

The artid~ t'lntinut:': -...tJcoo"'P4ul Dudli114.1.U IQol•loHI

7802 COMMONS OEIJATES M11rcb 2. 191ll

Tit, COtll.ultutlon ,._. • ha- l..ibeftll.,_...,..-;....._ ~ tOm.r*), A1111 a. (LC.).

o.w Lna ~ • .,. .._,. u• CNo-11 ~,- - ~ ............. I auca lkylitc to dtcp at .;pc. Also. OM ol the bc:$l

w ntributioM to ttle d~b.lt~ .c. fat is tbc: SC11atc: •-a• t!Mt of the Hon. Eric Coot, ll Llber.l3c:~tot e.nd rormtt judtc: as «Poet· ed nt page 1833 of the Senue Honunl for fcbtu1uy 24, 1981.

•• foiiQwll: I am ~ 10 U.. f'Ullhtlle. llto:ituW: I •• oc:I!Of«< w 1t.. f'*-t•l punmtnl\ 1111i .. wnl at1ion ~~«• h.liiiUadlllt 1~ a.llf'IWd « tM m.p.l•f ttr lk fii'O" a.otl urcl l tw ma..i-11}' ol C.·Mi-.

I read part o/ W. Mdrea t.IK at1ter mthL ~ u"C a frw 01htr poial:S I wane \0 ,.,. tk ~ ~ipt. Scut« Coat ...,, r.n,..._ ffti:'J "" I .,..._,ne a r.a ... s111<knt. """ - lftln' I a.oc ~ fot c~ -.nq t!l.u ..,._,.nUll !. 111!a1 )ldtts u. «~• !r.tdl•kifi•II•IJ bu• 11111 «<.•n tcf<lfniCfl.

Senator Cook 'WILl rt(e.Ning to judge& handllna our human rigbt5. He goe!l i nto jiC:Ilt dct11il on ho .. • ti1ne dd~)·in& and Cl»tJ)' it a.o be for. C.nld.iu c:ilitcn 10 ao throu,b lbe COV-rtll

to prot«t his ricbtl, He reJcn to Lhe LibenJ Pan)'• coftStln~­dou.J PI~ u a "dot'• tweakfa$t-. Senator Coc:* Mid:

r.-- .. -. - ......... ...___...,, .... ,......_ "* ~ ll:ln~ W .., ,- .,......, • ._, ..._ .. lltcd.td .. ""' ...,... .... il ~

reo-bh ll"' "'~""'•1. StnalOl Cc:lok D.1ntil\ucd by A)'inathiJ:

I •ooM ~ 111~1 1 IN: U 1(, "'•li•-• ~Id 1!0)1 t~.clfll•"''' 11) ll!ntw.d or ~No!:._,., , ~, mNJIIH-Hnd 11>1111', .,,1 I-· nrmly btllew 111.11 ._., Oldepe~ e111 • ,..,r.,...,.ui.., fiii'IIAII!C'M • " « tl• inly rejocl 11. Tot "'t t!. ~ ti::.ul),

•fii'CO't 011r ciMr!w ., r1JMo (_._, '""'"-. ,,...,_111 to ~~- ticlllo. Mtllll lle l-'-'le4 Kl""'*"" ,.._ thll' 01'--.. 1'M •- ..... k-......,.. 11 ~ if-.u. "'"",.. • .UC: t-1- •ill ... M .... _,~ il ••t-)' br

~---il._.. ....... ., ... ~ --. . ... . ...,,....,. ..,... ., -...n. ""'-' il 1$ kMc ....... ., • _,.., --"" ...- - -.-11) "'-mp ,.~ ... ., • ~., lk ,...,.. ... 11011 ...... -Jo:ltll) "'llle ,.... .. ltvtt.

A Lil>er.~l UnSI()f uid that. ooe who hu been •round for m111\y yca1s o.nd who ha• • lot of e~perienoc. PrOl«tins JlCOilk:'ll rights, OOth blllic 11nd huulan righu &1)11.-.dJ artat. lt is no~llya mo1Mrhood luuc. .,-,.~,·u. •hell .-e k)ok a1 ....,_. d~e Liberal P•nr has

btc:ome i.nvomd Ill ptOC«<iq peopk'l riatt•J. • • tu l~ l$ •

toe to be deii:recL I •ish to refer to 11 t~11t QSC tfl;u went tbrwJ)I three

dil'rcrcnl coum and ~ndcl,l up in tbc Suptemc Court. A federal d vil suv3n1 will!! t ht Minisuy ()/ 1'r.antport WUJ placctl in a vc.f}' unfortunate I)Oiiitlon. B«IUISC he w.u not able to lcern the

frend• l.an£t13g.t. I be U bc:raJ xc-rn.:me-nt lc:anod on bl.m 10 get him owt of hil job. lie •u thrtatefted atld bara~ a !Id to1d tQ

~~~<m: fn~m Mont raJ eo au !xf- dty4

TU civil lft"f'aN lOOt •• cue to court • krc il took r!W years to prc:we lhc Libcnl p~flt'l'leflt was .,,_, 111 haru$i:.n&

tlim. Where .. as tl'le- Libctlll aovanmtnt that pfOlectJ ~·s rlahts? Tbc PuriUuncnl:uy Secretary to the Mliljiler or Tr.an11· port (M I'. Bocbtael) •h~ thcrl) ••ltb a big smik: on hit faoe. He

t.htela thi• 1• a "'& job . He nocla bd hu,cl. 11 is a bia joke.

U.ra--.l..tiridu.ak.

Mt. a.tttMI: 0. a poin-t ol otckr. Mr. Spc;al:cr. I do Mt

t"llk il Is lfl Ofdct for the hot!. member rot \\'iui~Atiinlbo oitle (Mr. MC:KCIIZie) to ~h. 1"'-e rcm:.arlu. If I c.hoo!le 11) 5ft'lllc fll tomctbing one o( my eoll~otii.IC$ hu 3nid to m~. h should not be inferred lli lllaklnJ li1ht of wblll the hOoll, tncmbcr rl)f Wlnnipcg·AsainiboiM IJ nyin.a-

Mr. Md(ndt: M r. Spellk.er, I am abd )XM.I did Ml recoa· 11ize thal •• a poiat of Of4et. Tile ,.rbamc:srtary stercury bu '* q,ota aboo!Jt tilis t.dirid .. L M y podt ~ cherc an. b•w to p•oua i...,....tu.b MCh .. u..-. He mould .,._ be re•~ from IMt poli1ion beetuse lliC o....oc lcatn to spat the: FrcftC" Lua•a,._ 1 repeat. aficr havl:ft.J ba:n lurasscd Oy tlle Mcal5tt)' or Trnn11pott a~ bcin.J forud 10 mo-re tu anoth« city, he llad to Jpeild rh·c: ye:llfl in tlle c:outU dt:feiMiing bi,m~l f. Where. Wll:t the Llb«oJ Par1y wh.ieh look' aOcr tl~ righ t:~ l)f peopk'l T hcly

were nawbc:rc: to be found.

.U kl&. M..tler. W~ were tk Ccwu;cn·.llt:io;es!

Mr. McCn.rlc Tlli.s case ~ t'CICUitlr two.p1 to '"1 lltft'IUOIL Tllefcfon. I am ftOW tpt.~~l!Q& Oil it. 1 am WIC" lla:al

110 Ubcnls wUI s.peat 0111 it, Nch!Kr civil sen:tnu.., III}(IM ~se tbouW be thrutctled wilb dtt;m~l f« Mt btlna able lo learn 10 • 1~eak Frenc-h <• Enj.lbh. No unilingu.1l Carurdia n fihould be tl~rtat~cd tbe • •uy Mr. Kc:bo was thrcotcnod In Me~ntrca l. 1-tc took an apth~k t.:at wbieb $h<r"''ed th111 he~

ooalct Mt lear• the FrC31<:h lan.1nJe.. Not cvet)'OnCI i11 eapllblc oller.rnlna a .MICCWid I&"JJIl&C• u d they Jlloukli'IOI be i11rutcd \Joc;aiiiSC of rt. 1 do ..a~ tee &lt)'tlru.ftS •• tile Libcnl pa~. and I aM Mft we: will ~ $« ... ,w,. .. $0 protect theM: people. na ;. 1t0tlli-a tM.t •iftdowdf'fMiq_ Thcr"C a uothct OM

s;miltt~l•llll tn.i~crinz.

So•• lwMI. Mt111Mn: Ob, oh!

Mr. Md(t flrle: We $)\OOid l'<!turn IQ the merit S)'.MC.In In thil oounuy, not quotas for jobti and thrcate.'!l ing lndividu.b who cannot team another langtUJe,

I ~top& Mr. Kebo wiU be fbJJy rdmbu.r.sed f« bd kpl foo.. cw:rr tc:d omt. Who I ..._. i• IOtldl wilh Ibis plletna' k toW .,... lie wu p., at'ta hjj kpl (as. I hope lM PatfU•• C3t) krttar)' to the Min.i$ter of Transport will e .. re th:u k U full)' tcimburtocd afte-r havina 11pcnt ri'f'C years in the couru in order to t nve. his job. He shoutd 1111o0 be paid fl is add•tlon111 .:am for lm~portation back ~M forth from Cornwnll to MontruJ to ''isil hi3 la~er. We. will iCC bow man)' Ubcnltt spcek on ttutt matter.

I ••ill be: pu.rsu.ing thi:l; INIIIU ill oommiuoc if Mr. ICelliO 11 fiOl J\llly rdmt..Dell He ns rc:duccd to the de t:JI a ICQinCt. dta diiJJC:• bca;NC: he COIIkf 11101 b,.. ~ b~. Tht is the arut Liberal 8411 ol Rlpu. J.mtt. my foot!

I quoce from a (;l(}lwttNI Moll rtf'(Wt on Mr. Ke-lso·uQ«

~· lht l ~b. k fl$o had ~~~ .... Ill .Cq:'l ,.jl)it 1\>il lbtt Of ..

-.mi-11, ... 1111«1 lh l tbi• lhte•n or ,u,m .. l ... >), IDI:pl, h Wf)ojlf '"'

Marcb 2~ 198 1 COMMONS OEBA'f'ES 1803

lntoltt~tllt it i'mplo)~ ,.~ f..v<td 10 1b~ di!;(:iplii'Mt)' toellon 10 pt'Ckt•'t llll:io lcvl oijbu. 1 .. ~~::oid . Ri11l11> ~•c '* c;•li.uishetl lr7 Qbqin1 th4 •mrkrt<~·., instr~Kti<!n ,.llil• et • ltc. JUA tim• eontwt.il1 his &xislon.

Al'ter fh-e yet~~rs tbat was d~oe ruliog of lbc oou.rt. 'Tbcte is another C3U which • ·u broaght up 2 nurnbl:r of

ytar'$ ago. I thou&flt the mntu:r had been $e1tled, lxlt it WA~ apin re<:c:ntly brought to my auention. ll inV'Oived a question of tbe rithts ol an indlvldu.al, tntreDChmtrtt, and lO oo. I quMe (rQm the· f'ebriUif)' IS, l98J. T(IN)!IIOStnr:

Fito 1t:ll" .0•• ht '"ts lirtcl ft- ('~anadbn N•uo~~o~J T~mullk.ukllf. (1(«11~ M~1ui~ is no:t<b« to l«ttlliftii'"IIYlco ta.ll«<• k<'eritydc:itu«.

M:IB~Itc )M~ a.b)ut llc """.....,.. t k.ol t<1e llim firal, but I>& .,_...,) ,ou: i1 r,. IICCU<ity te>l..,.,l,

Alld eoc. If M.11uir<' ${IC tilt tnior.wtbl ~ otllltl fNm lliJ k<'lltil)' tile:, lie •1£ 4I'JW he. 10(1d.f 'b: doarv:d ..,.,.., 1.111 Ofr.,;Od ~' Ao,."' il lfl1 of il ln;!J

m~llcp.~ll!lo;.

T<d•y. M>111.0it•. :8. kll llll$dl'l•et llt lldli'IOI\WII • .. , t I "'"' uy ~ ilt ... et t<ttif'$ '"''* ;,~ .,l•o:t,...iQ.. t he &tmioul h.n w

k de;~tal ~" th4 ~· , .. llio t«hnkiu t~ticlln 111 iPcervi('"'· • t 'lll .01 aivifll "' ~p."'

He was fired ( rOI'll CN Tdeoommunkatioo!l btcau.1e of a hidden security te:~t he CQUid noc find 011t about. He stiJI doe$ fl<l4 bave the mauer deared up five years later. CN Telc<:om· • nunitattofls COlt'ICS undtr rJ1e MOT. We •·ill !lee •·hethe:r tbt P'riWmentary 5C(:feCary looks into Mr. Masuire's cue. He no.,.· d rives a bous because be got the boot rroa, CN. Tbey •<OllJd not to-JI htm why. This bill o( right$ t. lt big j(lle (or tht LiberaJs. They are only int~r~ted in Ontario and Quebec:.

Now we '>''ill cet a Htde dc:)6tt to home. A metn headJint read "'Coanmomc &~~<~rds riled £bout Suuve·~ rc:nurl::."

SooN ltoo. M<m~rs Oh, oh!

Mr. 1\fc:Kt~-.r:ie: Tbcte are approximately 260 uniformod secu ... it)' suard:s on Pa.rfi.2meat HilL Approtirn:s tdy S2 are 11nilingual l;n!Jish. They h~avc: been i.nfurmed they ..:an no lon.tter be on duty at any main entrante or in tlle galleries. lrtt te:ad. th.t)' a:~ bein& rek:gated to "''aiUng the Ol)rridor.t. They will 1104 be promoted. Where is tbc:re any justice in that bin of rithts?

Mr. De,lrty Sft'akrr: Order. The matter to whi<:b the hoo. nlember refert eould be-discu!lsed bcfo.rt-an approprlatt· con'l· mittcc: q( this Uot~se . Bocausc th~ matter refc:n to the juri:$dil.-. lion ol the Spcd:et. I suggest the boo. mnnbct avail himulf o{ th:1t oommittet\

Mt. 1\fcKt•d t-: Mr. Spc.tk«. 1t was disc~Uscd bcfott tbe appropri;u~ otlfl:lmin ee a( this fiQu~, the public 11000Unti committee, on Thursda)', Febfuary 12. This is publi<: informa· tion. I am not raising anydting new. The- Matem~nt ""'3S made that fqr .. humu_nitnrian ~&Ons"' these SZ unilinaual EnaUt~h 1mifc.wmed securit)' auardt~ will be ktpt oo naff. What an insult. Where is ·tbt-justice tbcrt? What a~ the Ube-ml$ ~ng to do about theile- £n&Ji:dt·\lpe;tkins Cu.nadiatll wbo arc being lrt:<11tt:d in t hit~ wa)·? h i& a terrible crime. • I)OXIJ

The. pankul31" Ubtt3J that rai'Cd thi~ in oommiUce stated, "If there-is OOI)' OI'M: who does not speak botb languages, it is too much: ' All or tbtl;e. unilingusJ Englillh ucurh)· gu;mb,

1'h~ CtNUtituliOI1

uniformed guardi that h:we been btrt (or ~rs-sonlC of thi:m 3~ .tetgetmiS- I'Ht not suppOOed to bt laeft. Ht wantj them aU put off tbt-stt(f. Wbere is tbe justioe in th~ OfficiaJ lAtnl$:11ll!!C$ Act '! Wfly dicJ the l.i~l':ll$ introdt.tCC· that phMy rcsohllion inJuDC, 191), and then introd\l<:c: Cllluse6 Of Clause. 7 ~ that we C',u, protect th~e individuals btcause tbey arc. not s upposed to be treated tbi.s way'! Wbere U the. rairnesa!

The C-Otlstrvatlvt . Patty has g.oDC along with )'OUT bitingual policy to prqmQte bilinaualism a.nd te~~ch other lantua&e~ in the sc.floolt. AU we gee is a buncll of Liber;~l~ y.~pping and )<t:llln& thtre-. They think this Is a big, joke. H tbe)' bad tbeir way, they 'llo'OOid kid: lhc Sl unjlingual English right out of bctt.

AD ~too. Mtmbtr. Look wOO's ta[king about tojrncs:s. look. w·ll3t you do 10 Jot.

Mr. Me.Kftll:ic:: So. we d1> not h.e.1r -An}' L,ibcrll lil:fpcaking-

1\fr, lkptr ty Speaker: Order. plcaJ<e. T be hml. 1nember !or Winnipcg4 As:siniboine (Mr. Mckenzie) bas the lloor.

Mr. Mckr•zie: Thank you, Mr. Speake-r .

A• hon.. MelllMr: Getonin.'lo.

A• Ha. Mt~ml>tr. Wait till J~>e !d~ you.

Mr. McKc•rie: Yd, lhat i::s about tht· sl2e olthe oontrlbu· tion we will hear from the Libe-ral&; yellin! "Oeronim~>'', $nd. "Joo' '. 'The bill or dgh~ what a.n uuer fraud. What a n nb:solate farce. Uberuls oonoerncd about u bill of right$.. All they sre oontetntd wltb is their votes in Quebec a nd Ontorio.

An ~tot~. Mc•kr. YQU •·ere the r:tro: on ~riday night.

Mr. MrKemW. We will havt. tiO comn~ent from the Liberals oa the injw.tioe to thac air trilffic oonuollcr, or Mr. Maguire or tht $2 u.nillngual English who ate being abused right here. where •-e $'w411d be pu.ctWna juttice tuward at! Cartadisn~:, regardless of their etlwie origin or wh.at lana:u.aae tftey ~pc!ilc .

An hot~. Me•kr. Evdl Joe Clati.

Mr. MtKe•de: Yts. even Joe Clad: • •ill speak up for tbese people. h cutoi.nJy will ool be any Liber;d.

Also. 'A'f: get an example ol what th-e Ljberi~ l~ are $ili)'ing in Quebec. I want to read from a rectrtt M~ut31 Ga-uut-llttitlc which S3)'$o:

.Anll'lhtt J:WIIP of Qalfbc~ Libcn.I!J lto:!~ <11"" OOM •~ tToc ptrty'3 pl1.11 •o •• ~ .. cltil&er. 1oO IUfQ.II l!lllllhll•~nt:u.se Kh<»it ill Qw.bw 'ill!pl)' btatuse thcit fl'U<flllO'IIlOtllu Ill~ 11 E~

Do yt)U hca.r any l..ibt:ml$ s.pakin_g on this? No.()-{ tuune not. There is l)()(bin.g like this in d1eit bill or right$ to protc:ct the. Et~glish io Quebte: ..nt ooe wotd. Do you hearthe.n~ saying Anything ;tp iMt Bill 101, QC' ~nythlng cho:?

A1t lrtoo. Melllber: You ba\'C to read it. Ao ~. Melllber: He-can' t 1tad.

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Mr. McKta.de: Sotne- Liberal says I cannot read. I can read. I read onty to» wdl, M r. Spc:ckcr . I have ne\'cr IM:cn t:lkcn in by a Liberal in my life.

I nnt 10 talk llboot i<lmt: other p:ut9 of this OOMtitutioflal pad:a,ec, n.amely. propcny rightio in r«po;t l>f wh.ich the Libetals ha''C been !bting all 0\'Ct t he plaoe. bcc:~usc tbcy tAoc rc afmid t hey 'o''<ltrld k.~ the $11PJX1rl of the NOV. Tbe)' were ooncemed that lhey were not going: to be abk to oonfis· Cille prop•wy and nadou~li~.e i""ustry.

An<.14hcr $«lion ""~ ve ver}' concern(~(} about relate' to the affirmatiot'l of the SOlo'creisnty of God. and free imtitutioJt;S. Thl$ iil in the !;nmc wording 1:1:1 Mr. OH:fenlul:cr•il Bill of Rights. which wa\ aw:pted t.a«; in 1960. We are very ~on-­Oilrncd 3bout f~dorn of infom1:uion, whtch is not c-learly defined ln the consti tutional p.1eb.ge, and pri~cy ~.JI' the home and family. The Ubcrals are tr)·ing to get into e"'et)'body's bcdroorn a.nd livingroom. The ViinCOO'i'tr (orn'luJa should be reoogniud, with tbc Qu«n delincd u bea<J of $late.

We bdif!"'o·t .,.,'t shooukt spUc tbe ptctase in two. Tbe Cstladi­an package $hoold be done in Canada by Canadian$, as- h.l:> been pointed oot by promjncot U bwtJ stn:uors in the otbcr pi ;set:.

I would a l$0 like to quote rrom a retent Glofl.t om.f M oil :1r1idt witlt rega•d tU d1t N DJ• and t heir posidon:

fcdttal Ne,.. Otmocwlc l'm y t..t.:.lkr Ed'Wlrd BNM1ben1 IIIB)' belle•~: 1h11 lot llo:ls doole "'h• l ; , oi$111 in llto .. ;~ tti' lillpPOfl •~ 1-h: («$ouJ !Pl'U'•ntC'It' li <'o,lfliilil •lioo"''' '"""' ~~o.~ bul lhc £lm ltJ: *'·' Caor.l•l.o ~,.Jdl k ftoo:l 1. Tlo~ lll .,,.l'.t "' 1hc N[)P • III'<ISH«tdJJr .. ;n be,

I hope t ltey ane rlgiH on tlut ptlint. Let me gh·.e another example or righu, and .,...e only h!:ave

riglus whc~t it suits tltc @0\'trl'unent. let us look at <he DC""' fighter aitcun eontra«. This so-called Liberal Pany i$ $Up· ~ed to be recogni;:ing all parts or Canada. After they agreed bn one fightct :tir<:r.tft they •-oukt be. ptuchaslll~ the liberals immediutdy anno11ntcd th;u 4S per ocnt of 1he industrial benefi ts or tbc N FA oont...-.c:t would be going to tllc ptO\'in-ce of Quebec. 48 per .:enl o( tb.: profit-

All ho11. Mt•Mr: A point of order.

(\fr. McK~%ic: Thirt)··ninc per a:nt.-

1\fr. Deputy Speaker: Order. please. Tile Parlia mootar)· Sccrcl.:uy h) th.: Preside nt ol 1hc Privy Coundl (Mt. Collcnette).

Mr. Coll~:~tfrtt: Mr. Sp."2ter, I :nn :u t<lkt3111 :1:1 tl1e ne:tt one. but I d<.l belie''<: the c;C)mments m01de by the I!Qn. mc:mbt:r foe Winnipeg·A$~iniboinc. (Mr. McKcntie) certainly trans.­grc~ the limits of t h-: resolution. 3nd do not dc:sl. in any 'A'&y. ~. .... en v.•ilb t he c<lfl~til utic.)n. 11 is ~e thing f<1r him 11() llpeak on the amendment dealing 'llll'ilh t he rcrerendum of his own po.rty p~·ided by his own n1-ttnber from Manitob:.\. bu.l he. Is 1KX $pe<~king on anyt hing to do with the ~lution. lt is tbc old disuibc. we h:tve heard in tbis House. si11oe 1972. Mr. Spcal:eJ. I do think y<JU l)ughl IC)c:•llthc lloO(I . member tu be ri:leVil.nL

1\fr. J>eputy SpeakH: I must c:tll .aucntion to t he f<tc.:t thal the boo. member bus che QQIIt on t.hc r~utioo a nd tlw­:•mo:t•dn~nt v.·bicb is bcrore us. aod ""'hieh we ;u~ cu rrently dis~ssing.

Mr. McKt-nzl~: That is ri,g.ht, Th<:: umendmcnl (::ltl ~ (()f j l,lj.tice and right$.

Aft llootl.l\h> ... ber: No. it does 1)0- .

Mr. McKt• tit: Justice .-nd right.o;. m f:tir distf'ibu tjon of the N FA contraCt a«oos Canada. Rigftt t;l the.$1<\rt-

Mr. Deputy Spea.krr. Order. T he (':\rll:lm\."111.Sry Sccr<:t:ll'}' tl'lthe. Minlstet of f inanoe (Mr. E\•ans) on a poinl I)( ()rdcr.

Mr. E~BM! Mr. Spcakes. if t l)e h()n. m~bt:' does not know ,.·lat tJ•e ari.Ctldrncm is . I will tell him. 11 i$ lo 3bt>li.$h the utse or tbe referendum in tJ1e ~:"t:i<Hutil'lo. T l.at is what is berorc the Housetlo ....

Mr. Baker (Nepeu .Carltton): That it: not a P'Mnt <11 order.

Mr. Md::ee:tif': l an\ 90!t )' you mus1 put up with tbesf.!. interruptions. Mr. $pe.1kcr. io gh~ you an idea or the injustice a!id the ffillll}' things, that .are not QC)tltai_n.ed in !be bill or ri.ghl$ Rnd !he O(.lnStitutim•.al JXlC:kage. I 'lt.'OOld poilll oot, in :.t roocnt OC'AoS artielc on tbc djsttibutioo ul induSlt iat bcn<:lil$ across c~llada. wbich has to-

All hll•. Membef: Having nolhing to c.lo wilh lite r~.-"l<Oiu li~>n.

Mr. MdCt.uie: -do ""'ilb cons-titutioDal m..1llcN, :1nd (;,;,. ness. and ind ivid1111.l{ right$, pll)\'ifl~· rigbt.s. it i ~ pointed out th:tt :

e.er sln.;c. eu.w~;, bill "n o)nl)' (llfC "' lAC ro ... H«Oit~ toJIIIn(l~ OOO!bW cab!!'k'l m'-tu end Libi" J M I\ lq•'ll b<e• " ••• 11 lhd t O:<llk'lA.\1" .. to u P.-oc:r l((nt I.~SO!ut 1111d Ills f'.mi QlAbkoiJ ..,ill~y if ~~ilf.ll•~ Milt: ,;, ~ll"•<t<LObd'>m•-.~•-

Mr. Uve$Quo: d<11.~ n04 luwe to won)•. The:;c Liber.-t:; will look artor thc:ir Jl'O""''Cr bl»e. a nd I hey wlll ~ th~l 48 jX't OCtlt Of 1llOI'C $_0Cs into Queb«. They dl) nol h:wc to worry about Mr. La·~1uc .

•\~tlilon.. Metrtbtr: 'TIIirt)'·fiVC (leJ' ocnt.

!\fr. 1\tcKeer.ie: I have a kclcr (~Ptn the Archbishop's oHioe. the nrchdii'ICtllc· of Va~Kouver. I hope the U bo!-rals an=; 11« going to cnll thi' :l point ofl'lrdel'. his :tOOul th.e OI.Mit<ti111tion:tl padar,e.

A.n lk)e. Me•ibt:r: T:tlldns sbouc tbe rercrc:ndum.

Solllot. bon, M embers: Hear, hcu!

An hi••· Me .. hu: lt iJ; about time.

Mr. McKt'ntlt: Well I nm .eJa4 ·r <Jm gelling :1 hand (r t)m the Libcr:d~. We hopt to be bearing from tbem abo111 Bernie Maguire. Mr. Kclso, nnd wl\oll tht.:y :w: goi11g to do aboot tbe. 52 uniling\131 E11gli:sh. Tht unirormect w;;urity gu:1rds on the

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11111 .... nr be ".tt l )' interc:11cd in hearing your 00011'1\Cnts about !hill .

The Archb.lsbop'~ Mfioc is Vetf coooerncd about tbe: p:!clcage a nelat the OQflt:titutional oommiuce htatings it p:Jintcd wt:

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Tlto: Uh&~nl RII~Jn (\ttboli( Oithofll' d 81ilisll Ctlkmli:t 1111<1 1"-' Y~<l11n " " h to ~I'~ lb(ir <le!Cf! CO~III ~ ioolll<'IJU..,;:iu ia 1. (1 p~ n nu ,JW." Ck<llu of lti,lla ;,nd ~·r«olOm•.

Wc~•c et..: C>!l<~•i~icJ.I tlut Ill-• a fl')lel!lll ll)' kl•mr.t ioo:il~<•h•-bd•(~ I!Niiv~l u d o:v-lle~'li•-e n~rllu. Wll!k: '-C aodcot\C anf "'""'" d1c. ,.bjroci>-o o( "'"'•n~Mill' lflofliookll>ll1ifltl1, l.o!Ah lh~N< 1hu I)Qy.·(rom. (ioil ,..,.. and tll(ll:lle till•• on :lldetlo>t lil il, - hif•l lt '"' 1lf tqwl) I~ I'& W l th::re k .ot ll,.n:uuc '"'"' • nl '" P"''X .. bdt~«' the obje(:1.W <rl p:irulrcio& to;~llccti•'f rjpu_

'll(l ~td c:Nnet <rl riSioto "¥ fl'ltll(flt.lr il if ";mkd IN•~ ldi '*1111 tloc ~~ t la1 l 'toc tru1 iml'('tt;ln(\1 d collt«l•~ r~ ;, " "" """"''~ qr

"""~"· They are Jl('t fectly ri,&ht 1herc. 11.nd t.here ~ oo i.ntcndoo on

Lh.: patl of t '-'c Libcr,.l Pan)' to tec(J8niu lh~m in :my way at "11,

Another d~nomiMtion is speaking out against tbe p.tc-.kage. I w:ant IQ ooogratulate the Leader of thl! ~cion (Mr. Clark), wbo led t.he figbt IQ tell the Canadian people what t he LlbcraJ Par1y is up cq.

Mr. Rowl: That i~ not y,•h:~t )VCI .Sl.li4 a oou.pJe or ·nigbt~ ago.

1\ft. 1\k Kendc: The Call3diatl people did 11(1( fully tmdet· ~and ""'bat th" was about. They untkr:U01fnd it nO'o\', r .. •as not ge-tting arty tn:1U :.1 k"'· month$ ago. but I am gcuirl& kltJI of tn ll il no.,..· ubl>ut ,.,bat is going CM~ in tbe. country tJndcr thjs ~called Liberal gO\'trturtct tL

I •'W.Id fike now to read rrom the Cunodio-'1 C/wrdmwn as fQUows: AA!~OP Ttd ~OU b (lo)(oOincbl the re-1~1 ~m~ INU Wlt!l' "'11.'!11:

t •(R o• ~~ tOo:ld ll)>• Chiidio• ...,.JciX'!I'Iit• tioll. llocc Cilna4Q n primU(I t~~id fO (~cc-fully tm •-th ;., a ,,.........,.,. <.liJ.Iutl"'

• ilkStnttt"" a !Id Mfmbtu o( l'llllbmnM vhu -h upllwj(rilll I"Nrn<o~uy <«tunlttteM tlw: Co,..;,cill•t;c., .-.r e;:.,.,.,

Tk A•~a lc:otkt t~~id unil~tfflll ltdtr• l f:ll•·etllll!e<IC :O.:ti(ll! ~ loot t he ~ ....-~yo( ,..~, tbi! ~~rui- OlfCt~flod"'".Swt~ l"ft••

Of couNt, tl1is hot~ been biJ.hlightcd by a number or Ubt:Tal ,<en:tiOnl in the otbCJ' place who ha't't betn around bcfc much lollJer titan many of tboae. wM arc ~ittins here tonight yelling o~fld sboutln.g..

f ""VU Id like to quote ai'IO!htr w:ry ro:spedctJ gentleman in Manitoba, 11 former l ibc111l premier of Manitoba. Mr. l:>out· l.s~ Campbell Wit$ premier or Manitoba rot ten }'C3rs., -'ttd bt llppeued at some eof~Stitution:lf hcu.rings in Winnipeg bacl: in lanullt)'. The a rtick Jam QtJoling rc::.tds in pan as rouo .... s: 1 • ~~~ ~b:!r~1 1' r.dl'olo llliJitllditft Ciin•c&:o.,, in bid 111 I"Jtriatt ~t;ito.niro.

Ot.tutlu C.~ ror~r l.iln.-aJ 1' .. ..,.., or Mu11oba. lffitld&J !1(>.'.....6 l'l'l"'t MllliJI<'< Tn.ulc.o11 (11 mi<lr .. l tltt Cilllldllfl ~<' lfl ·~~~ IIU..,PJI e(l l•oinll h>mctlw.Cotutlu nlo.._

Thi$ very res-pected gentlemnn and I' member or 11te libeNtJ !~,my for some· 60 years 11ay:s the Prime Ministct is mlsle.ading th.; Canadian people. Olbcr prominent J..iberats. in the other

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place are saying the Prin~e MinL~ta is ml'1d. Thank heu,·en 1111omt Ubcr'b ure $.J1CC!king w l 111.ains• •his rM.liculoos pro.l­po:;ol. Mr. Can1pbd l ""'Cnt on to $11)':

~1 4\lu'l t ,..k Mt. Trwfo::a• ).;,, ~" ohc in(o)l'tiUIK>ol t~t th~ pu'N\ol: .ki) a d ell• to .. ,pc...,," Ct~l ulld l.he k,h.~u-t ('(IIJ'Ionhw 111>~11\1. publk' l>u.rioojl'• \IAQ(If;l11ietlti<INI ~

Cullpb:U, jl't(<ooi.,. fNOu I 9411 I~ 19$11, <'i.IWo:ff>oo& 0\l,...i• bilint llll p..;lides.

bill "' ·~· ' """'""' lo•-b. :11111 h.tM\'. 1111 uf31"1 tilt M.a_.~ 81l'et'llmmt "!11 ~ ~'"«'J ltaiil "'"""'~ ~ Jl~lt

0U:fl<oil'>l unii~IC<l•l t.m rioO;:,

O,mr~ll "''hj Trlllkl• },u "b«oii l~ lbaot lu li.," ­

Mr. Campbdl it btin& \-t:ry polite.

Mr. Rossi: Tbat is something ~uo ai'Cn't.

Mr. Mcl::ea:tJc:: - ill•j:•ly!fl&tb: pr.whors l" ~tdcl.l)td ~I>..,IMo ,

"'1111ett il; lht inoplialiilu llu t the r .............. tow .. in Ill""' " 11)' field uv ,..,n ati(oa.." O.o:•pWn u ioi

-Th(bit l!oldup al'w~Ji .,.u Jlo)o.o• dolO"<: amf"'ol 1t OOI't~ ~~ it~ .. ..,,­

C:onojtlodl Yid 0U:fl">l h'" f«ji(IIIO:II tii,U in lhf l")l the: 1'..,,;.,~ ;~~td tbe· ~.,r VJ"(If!m(llt ·~1114 -~imo,.llltr ixl«t All)' ~h.111~ •tr(. mlldt ~ Uoc· C(lllStimtlon.

In d tns.e d:ly~ l.he p~mierl; und the prime minisler met ->n s rcsul" bllsi:s. a nd I he)· diswssod •.hjnts. properly. Nothing wa~ rammed dov.·n 1heir Llwoats. Mr. Cat"pbcll ii rdcrring 1>011d: lt'l dJOSC dayJ "''htn .... ~ were making proj):rc1:1s 1md whe!l we ba<l rcspons.ible ,government in th.is OOIJnuy. Mr. C.:unpbcll weot t)tll to s.ay:

"0•1);, ~-. Trlli:ka• lflll•o:d '" hu the,.. 1:«11 ~ mo•"l! (ten~ 1111.....,.,~ cvn~nl. hc.wd.

111t f«<tt~ $01•""'*-tnl a l-10- hi!.\ WIUJC:It•d lh~l 1lyoc • flit llpp(dt the rnl ..,.-:._.,,, ilr • bill of liJhtl Ill'~ lnJ~~»n ritllt$. C~ ~id.

Mw~lly. a bW of n jlhl• ~>\!uld ulto:Ser .. t dttfh)C'"tlc pri~~elpb, k to,old 1•o.: wmftlltl(>.'.

"11 i tiOill doe iJb nl lk (;l)~tilulion to 11:,-,Mc "

Cam!W u .id Trtldc~u·• AI~IIU 111 tqy;tut b!llfl91tl!b tfl h oe a .. AII.II

~IICdatiii"C'Jt I!) Ill: F'tt-IICb « lfl'l,...it_r. " I t loid 11>< I'Nj!tA• -~ ...... rw!IJ,H'(Ifllid

lt is nice to bear s.omc. prontintln Ubctab speaking nut, cspc<ially tht.\'IC· .,.•lw. a~ in 1bc Other pl:u:c to.ltloly .

I W<.ltdd like to finish by reading the comment$ or a g.n.'3t historian in Winnipeg, :1 gcntkm:ln by the name: ol Erie Wells. fonner Cldlt t,.. of the Winnipcs Tritmttt> and il broo.Ocastcr who hols stvdK:s Calltldian issues-for ltlan)' )'CatS. I just want t<) read the comments he made on radio M:Ui<ln CJ08 <In F'cbru111y 6. Mr. Well~ l!aid~

'ne J"Q•Ii.....,.,, , or ~~"' U11iud Kin~ tM C.lli14111ft on a«>JJWo• <'Osnf, ""'' "q'l'f ~uioel the end oftbt llfto-1-U lkitil.lt. O.'oln~ifln • @tlifl@. lil 91'>

Whu ~n U .. 1\'l tti~ly IIII!IOt tO!blltuf!o)ntl 'd)lstmfnt 10 b: ,,,.r., by CtMd.t' t P'(lllittnrnl llol~ b..--c-• 1~••/li:d .iOII<I 11 n .. jor tuunt~@'r~liM ud •• ­• PPI'&I'I t\lbtniiNJ) ~••uid t.lo: oo,.~~.

I,Jalc;.-to:;f'. (..~dJ vid n:lr,..,. ~' • m.vtd (« a O.~lld.,n dll net of rillfll, to 1x- rmed by tk' lkitlsh H«<$t. « _, !tu tile- BliliJII ~:u li.t•~m•~·;,., tu~ lt~t~lld t~l:t lklr ordws t.-om .. --.

' " YC• 'irlh< l lo<w t' ml4; b1 f'rito4 Minilw Trlll!o:4~t ti!(. C•nllditll~ll'l~lld ,.ilfooot k ,.ltWra• n • .., ~<1uld wt C'l«l Ill" Bridob ~~IUUtiUI, 'I~ d<(ttd t!lt o!.lw!~ n!Jill ot .,,11~ . .. m n(I'W w .. ~·•d:. 1~1 ,....,..,,..,., 111 Ottt•~'• d!olnt pof>lltiM\,

1806 COMMONS OfJJAT ES Marclrrt 2. 19&1

Tk C.utilt~~iM

Tht Ultll4,_ 11u ~~- .... 1 ~ot *'• all d h fl:loikfd • P • 0111

u pillol til)' ' l'llt mC~A -cl~i«t..Ctflll ditl(ll!illn it '"'' 1ht l ohbh an twlli1111

coloolialitm In ljw~illlin@ lllc wiMII fiC( e~t l.k C'•11Mibn dtfll .. ~

All 11oc lrlhtb ,,. ""Ufttint I• tklt •~ Cul'ldiUi dllllllf .,._our ooo11 lll'"1

i"-..... f'llfil,_., Wt m~ bt ,...,. ~. 0w C......_ P'&o'lie"""'"l Ui

.._ ...... -.d. ....... flldl-hrflil.._ ........ ., -~

0W ,._ "-'- jQb, ..... ..._ • ._. a.-_ Ut _... • f\' _,.,. ,._ lrlu .... die .., .. , .. ~,.,;a... llld . - A-' .. ~

£d II'OIIdboln1 . .... 1u m.........,. Ill IIM a- ~ c•llrn1 '""" "('ok,r-.od •·~ ~ o:toolak~ ~ they.....,.. " '-'" f!IK>ool lilt llb<i«"- bvtilcn we ll1<>e inllil:•ol•fliil• lllc lklta

Tluu·, 1h~ >M~r•< .. ,.;ndina ~P 111t lllll>loll OI.WinettiM, 1IMI•IIa.1 • !<My '"ltY

10 ~ Ilk! f1mi!)· 1lbu111 In - .. tioonl<fll ouo jl(~Ao!INIM , .... !la -hrriuoec-... ea.,......._

TN• D •laM ~~ bnl1 (fOfa trw_ l.ll)eral P•fl)' IOAJCIIIl.-. I

r1ist Ctlt k1i11m~te rnMerM of Canadiant and rc(u eo lhr­

way they ha~.:- ~o abt1Std lty fhe Lib«nl Pany. All we gott i11

chtap shou (rl)m the l.ibcrab who lllrt in tM Hou~c tonjgbc.

Mr. Ro.!i~: (..Qok •·bcul la l .. iJI£.flbout bd.nJCl!c:.p.

Mr. \tC'k~

~·o .. ......, t ..... ...., ~"'f"""lrnl,.,. •'t cooa~....,.....,. for.,

We cc:namly h01ve IKI4 wen tood rorm here «oni&bl. 1 hl>pc

before lht: debilte is fin ished we h~r whnt d1e l .iberals will «to to hd p M r llc.rnk Msguiro. I hope we will fil'ld <IIH if the Liben.li Will fully reimb11flle Mr. Kdso f« hit: oou.n COG>tl; and

aJJ d~ aocJd1tlofta.J ((1St$ be laid IO U.C.r tc:lliiW ltiJ JOlt bc:cl~ lw: «~~tkl not lar111 to j,pQl: uot.bct b.ap~p. I hope- to hn:r

from 1he L.ilb«als ~~' • "-tt they •£11 do about 1bc S2 vnilins.~t.al~o~nlrOtn\td S«'Uthy ttsfl on lhi:s H1ll. I hope to bear

what t l\0 Liber•ls sug:gdl in Order to l>ll'~ thdr )1,11$ ;1nd all~·

1Mm 11) be proo)()led. Tblll l11 my f'inal point, A resolution""' ~s:sod kre i12 lhd Houie in J•oe or 1973 to ptOlcet ~tn..ilingual

cmt -'"' ... •tJ. t.t il oNy CIO"Cn tedtn.! m•• tla'¥&nt$. •• doc'w

IKit awcr 1-locw ol eo.nc.on.. saatr - the cmpio)v:a ol Cro..-n eotpxatM.Mt. I •outd ltkc to sec tbc U bcnfs bri.na torw;ud p1oper legislation 60 dtllt tbtse Individual$ c;,n b.:

protC(.'ltd by b~·. TbCTI we • 'Ill k.no•· if tht: l.lbcrnl!l IIJC reau, OC>!lttrBCd •bout humnn rijhta and basic rightJ, I ~ .,.'( I~;H from tbtnl before thi$ debttc i• c:lod.

Mr. Nd!JM A. ltiis (L~,):: Mr. Spt:ttn. I

WOIIIJd lit e- &o rcwcnize the fl"ntoiJ:s Sf,Uktt for IU$ Yft')'

imciJ«t~o~ul. COriSUueti~ and tiKlvabt{ul f."((nHtbwtioR to o~ar conscitutlonul dd:»le! I (l)und his wntri~1lon to be: Vet)'

m<)t.ivated, and I vtoill have 11 d lfncult timcloll()wing, it!

l lpprm,»lt tltia ~t111111ty 10 panicipJ1e In thir connilu· bOnaJ dcbltl' I join in 1b11 dl:tlll~ •itlla geatdc.l ofn::spoet

alld humd11y, nis isSIIe il OftC' of the p-at tS6tla of rccat

dmcs... h & an i$5ue whoie time Us ddi•itclr come.

. u~

I ha\~ lctipc!.:l for t~ collea&ud whO h.avc played auch 11.

amtributory roJe in tbc J'lfOI:a.l up to thiJ f'O'I"i. colleaa:ucs

from al f'l-thci •Ita. U. their ow• ""f.lu'"e KfWid the- pt'll)pk

of Cauct. YCJY ..:ell I lQ•t 10 ~ upecWily the hoe.

mc:m~r ror Yorkton-Mc-lville (Mr. Nymom) a.nd tbc boo,

member for lhunaby (Mr. Robinsoo) who ha~ M fillt:d their

I'Up)Mibili tiCll lrl 11 n\O!if admirable t:tyk ;1nd wh\l ha~ lfiJdC 3 fll't•loun.d oon~rlbYtion lo I he co•L1fltutional debo.te.

S.•t- IIM.Jtl. M~•knc Hear, heM!

.Mr. lllii: I alto ba~ ra;pcc.'t (()I 1lw i.stiu.uion ol l'llrha•

IDCill and tllle epport~o~.nity it~ f• all ol es toparunpate •• this allrial de:bttc. ud a dccl.iaoft ,.,.ic'h will toucll tk liYcs of all C.nadiai'IJ tn prof®nd wllyt l<w gt:atttllion• IO come.

From tla~ stcnM my huntilhy a1 b.:in.g a pun (J/tlli!' hi~~toric flt'~~ a 1\ISIOi it.: ptoocs.1 of p 11•;if110Uflt impoctllll'-'il tO tlu: future Of C.AIItb ll l!d lbc. future of Can11dillnl.

w(' arc~ i• the r.w sa~tcs of • debate- • ·btch btJr.a•. '* lw1 lt1>QIIdt5 i110- liOC. fotar )Ut¥ •P. 111C1C tiO )'QJ'J -.o, ba I ,54

)ad·~ • hca.. brlcl: '" 1911, J, S Wood:f,lr0f1h 1111rod~~etd a tnoiJUn to patriole tbe Cooathutkltl. ib:u aan•oe ml)lioa

prompted the a~llli•s ~r tbc fil'tlt c:unl!titutkwlat Qfln(~reAQC:

wltiC'Ii e>stnt~fllly be&11n the pr«L'llt we now &ee c:ulml•t:•ting here.

I• 19-47 it .,.2t T. C . Ooo&laJ wt.o lauochtced C.ftMa'• tmn

8111 ol ftiebu ancl, M.c Ilk coUtapc. J S. Woockw«th. 1te too •a~. bel~ fib time. pR$CSrtinJ tckaJ. and wnccpu •lklch

today. dcCIItdcll later, ~·e fi.Ad 10 bt! ntu$ble and Gerl.3i_nly

w.'l)ftflwhile advii!M:Ift.S. The 196(h! JIIW the lJc&iMin& or Que-­bec'~ "quk t l't'\'Oiution", t he uwnkenlna &nd the roootn•ti<H• by

the f'COI'k in thoe provi..ce. of Quebec, to ll•e f.act that they h11d bott! r.a., iQjuslk:ri lor yearS aad tbtl the time bd ClOmC" for

lbt" WTOil:!* ID be rif)ltcd. lo IMS •'t' sa• Ca...U rm.Uiy otluin its ow-n ft;ia. hs OWJI i)rnbol vi ~~ and

.tutcmomy. In the "705 •'t' saw the tile to pt.TWn or the Parti Quebtc:oiiland the b:sue or d~;~ttl ity c•t•~gcd clearly as n ecntr.a l theme ill Canndinn hlstoty. A t tbo 111mc time, it1 the 1970s .,.e

s.w the cetltrt or CK.'OnomK &n:avit)' in Can.ada •lnh from

ceou.- Carucb tlowf) •'M•liN. emphu:iz.iQC the tcnOIIIS

rqioul $filit:f ... d.wrsil) >aitbi• tk a.mtry. lap )'CV. i• I !MO, ...,·e ~- the COU_ntry adropti-a tU utiolaal •Mkm. We

had a SIOO! 1.0 •int • ben tboe time wallappn>pri3tc. In 1931, we hopt IU see the nn .. lliiCPI being td:cn towurd fl COIIJiitutjon (Qr CnnJtda.

Step b,Y .it~p ~Cl h•ve •'Oil out •utonomy. oor mdcp:ndettce

hCJCMilif$0\'eta£-rlty. IM todl)' • care at Lhe~ofa hD.toOe

pr .. cd. hit k1: at 1bo ~ ·~ •f'e abollt ID rtnbatt Gft a new OIJC. In s tttlie. ll1b i$ tk bqJ~tftrfll. the ritJI MCP ~'Vd

lhc rormation or • soc~ty ol Jtt'oltu JIUCial aiMS CClOnOmic:

j11:ttk~: . WII.St 1\!ippc:n!! f~ I hill itlt£C oo•·ard will be the real

'"t qf our c:wurnitment rw 11 rtcnC'wcd abd bcuc-r Ct•nada.

SociJJ. economic. culuu"JI aod rc:clon111 dtall~ai In ()Mda haw aecessiuttd I be occd IOJ a MW O.stillltiQil. Tht C..n1da • U::h w·uee i• 1911 is q•ile 1 ttliffn'HI co.mry frw~~ tk oat

• hd e-xisted In 1167. The fabric ol J«kty ha' chi.Apll

•i.a.nif.eantly, the dcm<i@raphy or Cun.1do. ~:s c-tunt((.l .wg:nifi· C:llnll)•, atld the COOnomi<: atru-cturc or Cunu4a h.a$ t hllng,cd. h it ll d ilfc-rent count.ry requ.itine 11. d ltftrtnt oon~titutioon

lt ia import.tnl to say tbatthc ooMtJtvtjoul doel»tc 111 11<11 a

m1 ~ ti ~n~ar have- suuc:pl'!ll, 11 has l!«ft M~a,aotcd

tlwu 1t is~hlt lcatmportulthucoervfl' l-C!COI•ty.

No. it ia vuy ntiKh a put qf lltc fundamcncal d1frla.lhd

luc:iJit ~ur country. To rail to p;u rhuc 011r CflliSCittnion • ·itb an

M.uch 2.. 1 MI COMMONS OEBATf-."\

ll!ne11dina formula i&duding !the principle or eqllali.llnion and 11 ~:hunc:r or rlahu .. ,.w Q:rtai.nly th~altn the very r .. wic or tl\lt CWI'IIt)' cocJ..y,

1 h~:rc I~ nu q11catioll tba.t 1:he~c arc dirfiooh, e•noctooal aDd c.IIJIIen,ll.ina tinlCj. Writing a oonstitutlon de'll.-t; ,..>t ()()n)C eiU.ily, " 'othin,a of or..lnc ~;omC$ casil'y, :tnd I ""'OUid liiU~I chat Ule n~-e"'t rc:w~rdinc upetiences ot our live~ are e:motloMJ. ehal· len,S~ ~~ diiTIICutt ~perienooc:s.. Sir John A. Mlcd<:ln11ld • nd the f'atbeft or Confederation dW. noc bavc le CIJ)'• To do fiOl•;lt.l is cu-y. To do no~bi.nc. as .-e did i• ltJI •ben we dcddc.d 10 bY>e ouo C.R:itlltC.. la Bnbu1 M110e k wouW be '00 dirt.c.lt to l.llft: oo a.a a:mmdiq fonn•la. ,.,.., cuy. To ~ lk CC*lii.UO. home 10 Ca.ucb is a real •lbac. and to ~ •• Ill the-~ ol coqu;alir,uklft. a ct.nu ol ripts and u ''*..rifle form•b i$ ~hi., my party~., ,.Oildly advoc.((ld 11011 ... -onC'd toward ror )elts.

The ori1in:al propc.agl bfou,:ht before the H~11c fncludaf c~ IKI.!k JI'IIM:i~q we had sought fm d«uctc. and, whik our ri rst rcnc:lion ws• to .wp(XII"t it, the fin1 draft prcwntcd tl) f'\JriUI · ntoOI'II fmd !fllln)' ~~erious aiM! obviuux Oaw~ Jt noo6c:d l l) be dm"'ed in •n effort to .ad .. -quacelr meet the •~oCtdi or Conu(b In the 1980. and ln the doco.d'cs eo 0011'11:. lt ~li 111 I hill pofnt th.at.cl!f NI>P. unlike the o1ber oprc-ition Jlllrty, decl4kd to put pancann diiTet'e:fl~ aside. ThiJ .... , Mot a t~jlic:a l pi~ or lcgliblion "bleb tbe ~itioe fdc sn obflpt.on to oppo&e..

We ckd6nS to be • positivt. CC~n~"'~jYC 4lf!p010idon ptny as tile '-''11• and Torief wc::rc i11 1864 -1Kfl they cunc totdkr 10 tddrait &M M"CCd for a ClOCII:Stit•tioa in C..a llct'C • -ere polkdi~~~J -'••w-., ud passiolut~ llifrctcnCa •boaid tM .-as loo import ... , a natt.c-r to kt peniu• poliho i•tnfcn • ·idatkh ~ mat inc- I su~ t.IIJit .--,, • ckclsioflwbidt lhb IIOUk sltouJd h:ll~ nude and which: ttrui•fy the Tory parcy tlloukl h~'le made at 1~ o.tsrt.

We touaht to irnprove. tbe rewl'ution by ptuvkllna nrtou5 and ~u•utrut.':fi~ 11me:ndmenu and critici!lnt$ h hu bcw taid t hou "''Cl were Win_g tbt 8rili:s;h pu.rli.lmrnt eo do our .,.'ilfk. I W•>ukJ lid; •n~oHnbc-•• ohhc Coi\\Stn•ath't Party and allmcmhl:•" of the U~K: what on earth l.;, ~·c we been doln$ for the pas.a th monthll? During the Q0n$li'lltional <.'otru•niuce dcbaec q>rer 100 me•nbl..-rli or ttle House of Ca.nrnoo• pnrtlciPIIcd in one •·•y or IIMChc.r. 914 i.ndiridu•b e.~~praosed t~ir opinions resardi'-5 tbe pr<1p051l. ud 29.C youpi m•Oc thdt "ioe"" tnow111 We atJ;C!JCI tba.t tbe debatd be. rclevbcd 10 thlt C.Uifi. alii emJM tbc ClOWtlf)' ... -.Id Nve U oppon"llity to ldtte i,o Oil the COIII•itttc' d~ ._., ~ more •JIIIIr'OCriatcly to Mc•kr~ Vi( P•rliilmtiiL \\fc Ubd Uu.l 1hc .,.it< k r.Uy debated tn the HoutC o/ ~ ud 10 IMI of II*Uk we scill ~. I pcrjOnotlfy ,_,.,c tt:etivtd ovn lOO pkca ol conc­apond(Mc llnd mllltJ' mote: pbOCIC" ~.-.al l$, I bavc: portiC'ipcut:d rn 1nor~ thnn " llo;cc-n OOtlStilutiQn;af worbhopc und fonu••s In .,.·est ern C~tnad;~. No one c;an $e:riously s-u&tCllt t hat 1hh1 tt not • Canadlon-madc rc~ution , made. by Canudi1ms (or C11.nndians. My di-III)JXlinlnl1:nt is that i1 o!l<luhl bh\'Ci ~n tuuWicd n•ucb bellcr. The princlpt~ or p,~rtit;i patOr)' trll.UrOCM• dtiTIOOIIC)' eot~ld h1wc been •m:lulkd and all 282 mcmbc.r:. or the llou_se 'Muld b~v" had tbe opportunity t.o play a m!Kh mo~ ln~vcd

Tlt<t Curutlt.,IIO"

IIDCI intcaral rok in the prl)(:ca., but unrortuutdy th.1t b bc-hiiMI us and "'<C fflikd i11 tblu re~pcd .

f:kx:ull$c or our !)Oiillivc untf consttlll'1ive aj)f!t'ooeh we feel tbat real progri:ils "'ll ~ •wufl.o._. We reel th;~l we nJ a pa;itive Op(>OIIicic~n ~X&rly h~ve acClC,IMpli~bed • gre:~u dral. and ag.1in 1 mu:;t oontra(Uflllc the hotl. mc:mlxr ro1 Yortton· Melvllle a!MI tbe boil. ltletnber rur l}uf11:aby, u "'C'IJ u olbcn.. who pl3)~ suC'h ;c eri1ical role In achieving a better Consli:tution ror Ouu.da. . """

0.. altK itc~~~t we fed •c ea• qili.wdy _." •• the rcsp.l05iibilily rot i~Ch.in'i"' wu a da"* prorridiq; cquJi1y b«Ote s.t u.ndta tile: bw i• _...t.caMC: u wdl as in ptOOedllte. 'nlis i:s qpcw;NIIy tdn-.1'11 to tbc .SI pe:t ttt~t ol tlx rop~l;uion • ·ho are •'OO~n le Canll.dll, In m)' m1nd it is <I dellr $iC"-'ll ro tbt roum a( Cl.n:•dl'l 10 t(!C)Ot.flizc women's rights.

We •>ere suocrssrur In f1t tlk'li"g nun·dhw;rjmtltOiliun rishr.!l (Ot tl~ handicapped in C.ano.da. No•· 700,000 i.ndi"ridual.!l will h01ve" better future bcx:lluie 1>f thi! ooostn~<:tin~- c:ri tici$1l\S and approach or the nw:mb(r,. ur my jlln1y. We • ·ere successful In acllkvin.t eduClltionnl riahtf (or ling_uinie .njooritiei. We .,.-ere ~ul in achie\·ln,s. tei>CM.ilce control (<w ahe rr<.Wincc:t or Ca11:tda and uplidl r000£,11itton or Canact..·.J. mu:ltiouhur.d char.te._.tcr. We workcoct hlrd "'iU1 tbr 11ati''e t.ach and (W&•nt· utions aaos.s tbe rou11111 eo adakw- an •ffiMNiioo of abofi&i· aal a.d nathoe npa, 1ritlri• the CoMtilwtioA. nisdcua yo1 dol to pqranccc lite hinorbl ... ~ ~t$ olea,... da's Oficiul peopb. 1t woa.ld be •• m:~ba~•• rot •11 et os ir tbt eb.uw Nd '"' beat i(tdlldcd: it woeld h:tvt been dr"'KOfl £or 1.111.1 of US 10 'l~t lftlfia11 ~ ltti)'Wh.etc in Canada.

I wu rureiC\IIurly m<I>'Vt'd by my ootlcague ..,bo ipul~ on bctlelf ol the lnuit people ol Cl&nad... lie- c.,pl3i.n.cd in his, speech tk!.l hi~ grent arnndl'nthcr tool alons many Bf the f:uropean exp)orr.rll u11-Ct .1hcw.·cd chcm d1.: wlly thn•uxh the ,·arioos Atctic h landa, Only to h111'C t_hcsc e~plorcf'\( run op oo tO tbt beachc:'- pl11n1 nn.- tnd I:Jajm the)' had round lhCII!,: i>JIJ!Mls fot the firu timr. Wbat dw that $ay tO .1n indiVidull .,..bo bat Jh•t:d M th.o&e i.Ja!ttJ~ for perblps lbot~sa.nds of )'tll1'!1?

Wh.at 11b.lc!C tbc fndlat.l poopk i11 my OII>"JI part ot 8rili5h Cohtmbia -1to ha1"C" lh't'd alotla 1Jlc ri•~r nlkys for 12.000 « IM)-tlc ?0.000 ycus Oftl)' 10 hi\'C Simoa FftiCC or TllonlptOn

d~ them .. This b 1M kNMI ollhiq •!aid~ does Lule 10 I'CICIOpitt tllle rok ('aqcb •a orla:tuJ propb pb.)'W ill 011r •mory. I am proud eo uy d111 • itb o.r hcfp cbe affinrt.3-tioa f1!l aborisi11od •.nd utin ripu is now ru-tt~ly cntrerdlnl "' ctlc CoMtiuation of Canad:&,

We- wlluld lite eo 11c:~ ocher c:l\anccJi. We .,.·ou.ld lite to &ce c.hc .1boljcion of (he Scn.atc :end a elarir.euti'"' or bl)th womrn'J and IDdian tig)lu witJ1ln tiM: Con~t il ution. We "''OOid also like to S« tllt rti.'OIJnition ol oollet-li'IC batgllinirtg rightl> and political rights. But tht.:!le urc Clu.lltt.:ll we will "'Ork coward before chjs pt'OI."eSX i• throo&h l&nd .as it unfolds du.riog OO(l«itu• donul dilltu~ion• in followlna )'CIJil,

1808 COMMONS DEBATES March 2. 1981

Tlrt CI:NtJt itulf()lf

Yes, we·~~ ~pared to ma.ke-'Ome compromisejn tbe best intc:re~ts of Canadians.. for ti\OS:e "''be> s::sy OOII'lptOOli~ is a d irty same, Set me 5ltY &h;u • ·ere it not (qr the constrtrctive. determii'Cd and progressive efforts o( our pany. many of the S9 thaotcs to the ori&in.:d re$0luti<lt:l .,.'Otlld Mt h:Ave OCC\Irred ll$ they did.

As a .,.'(Stern Member of Psrlia.mcm. I am proud of my p:arty~ llnlel!dmcnt which s-ecures for the provin«'llthe riatht to manage, own, tax aDd OOI'Itt\lltht noo-renewable resoutce3, lhe fon!Stt)' l'dOIU'Cd and the hydrl• rc~n:.:s within their bc•und~ aria. These liahl$ art key buifdiJlt: bl01.:k.s on ••bieh to ct~te a sound, 9Ci:ute a11d d iversified tCMOOtic futort fot .. :~stern Canadil. tiS well:t~ Conadn ptr :s.:. T his i ~ especially imJl(lrt:'"l for some proviDCes, pankolarty tbosc io the west. sinoe the ability to dh«t :utd dt 'il:IOp tl~ uk of d<ple tint rcwurces iS; abs<Jiutcly cnu:ial,

Ourinc the fi rst 100 years ol confcdcou.ion t.he .,.'eSt, richl)' tndo..-od with 113t.uflll rdaur«s. WlU fon."ed to forg,o tJ1e ckV'Ciopment o( 11. m11.nufacturing base. Manufacturing was largely rooused in centJal Canada aM was 11urt urcd by a:hn~1 .a ecntury <11 11trong Jlrc.>IC!Ctive tariffs. The rc:lllltlrce~ Qf the 04ber provi.noe~ now deserve oomp:uable protection. Man)' ptovii)Cial govenunents h:h·e been :11pp~ht:n~h't <tboul p:l.~t

judici:•l d~~i{)n$ <HI their lntditional ria.lu to mnnase and oonuol tlle resoorces within their own boundaries. Therefore, .a l."()nttitutiooaUy entrtuched .aflirrmllon (;l)nfinnint pr<)vindill ownerlllip :~ nd m.-nu.sement of ce&O\lr<:es is a key dcmcn t of a fair confederation package.

The ll.ll'lei!dll"'e:ttl of the bon. membc:r f()J Osh:•w·a (Mr. Broadbc:nt) wiiJ help to ea.se tbc: apprehension of mo111y people: in resource-producing pr~inoe.s OOf'ltttning their abili ty I<J use their re$Ourca tu help built! thcir econqmic-futu re and tn ea$C their uncertain!)' aboot t he cquit)' of t he ooofodcN!tion txu· gain. The amendment gives the pro\•inees the right to conttoa th-e 1~-.:J ~nd n:1ture or expll)r.,&tM,m l)f non·renewuble r~l)uroq.. h otrcn tbcm the ri&bt to regulate the wa)' aOO rate at wbkb fa.reMt)', non·rtnewable and clcc:trkul rc::ll)ui'Cc:$ li re ar'Oited. The: n.meOOment 'o'l'<.l\lkt permit provi~Xc:s to instilllte resoui'QC miulatement and 0011servation S(:heme! as they deem noces­~ry. lt ttll<ra·s pcc.n·in<:tt tQ dcvd up elcctriatl gen.cG':tti<ln projc:cl$ i_n waf$ and at rates t.hey-see fit. PrO\'inoes. .,.·ould be able €0 regulate the 11KWtrttent or tbeir resources within Canada. :W long ;,ll ;, did nl)l$ contn&vene federa l legi.s.lutiQn. PtoviDCC:t; •'OUid aJso bave the: tit,ht to ~t resouroe prieeos aDd levy ditoot and indirect ta.~te.; on the rtSOttrce.i sold in Cut~d3. all l()flg a.s the prc,winor:s did not dik rimim1te i.n th~ pkc$ <:bllflcd or tbe availabilit)' of rc:sOUI'<lC$ to all Canadians.

These rightll "''OUid tlpply fully 10 OOn·l'tnt.,.-;,bJe rt$o(M.lrte:'\, re&OUroc$ gcnecating c:leCiricity and forest resources. I b<-licve this amendment will bdp to aUay the fetus. pllnicubr ly or wcstetn C-an:~d illM, tl..at when they .seck tb n:gut.'th.· tbdr re~()Urt~,, their :tbility to de.> w • ·ill be halted by the wmp]C,llil)' or fc4c:ul powers, 1t will help to renew their oon~ittiM that t-he Canadian federation can b(: 00tll1:1ructed r:airty i.n Wil)'S "'·hieh :aiiO\&· all partners to develop fully in the best inter~ts eN their peopk,

I sboutd like 10 t;ake :• fe"'' monlot'•ll$ to look at tbe rour main p!ii'IS or the- )lftsenl rcwlution: p;~ ~ri;•ti<.~n, equ~li7.a ti<wl. ;a

c:l\.uter •>f ri&hu ~.nd 11n amending rormula. I think one can gbs over qukkly t he section ()fl p:Hriati(W'I. There is uo quotion t.b3t a. f.:rw months ago this Hou3e )'()1()11 un.-nlma)tl31y for the p.llrilllion Q( C:~n:~da 's Co.mitution. Th" m~.~S1 be done ltnd -$S far as I am txmcernc:d, the :;ooncr the bo:tttr.

Ho-'<'vct, the tQJ>ie ut 1:\)u.alization is a very imporlant one. Tbe ooncePI of tbc: rKh pans of Ca~U~da at.1inin3 the p(IOf p.Jtl.$ or U nada is a mauer of profo11Dd c:onQern tq wciu.l dcmocr<1ts. Oi$p.1rities exi-"t bi:t.,·ttn rtgioos of C~nadA whieb result ill ui)('Qual oppoTtunitics fQr C$tnl&diO'nli at tl•e p1c:!S!:nt tiJOe. YQUng: pc<lfllt frOfn tile outpo«ts of Ne.,.foundland n1ay no. have the same oppori\IJlj tie$ ~!I yo11~te1S trowin-g up in mdmp(lliun Tor.:~mo. People from some pu.n:s of t he ""'e~crn

Pf\'1\'ill<.:e$ ma)' not hit''t the. ~me opportunity as t11ose people eoming rrom other parts of (."q,nuda . f;qu:llit.Ati•M• is :a OOflCqM: tl:mt wc-l'lll use wlse!l wt raise our families, Certain smrts oJ the ramify arc atwll.)~ preJ)(&red tu Slll11d b)' llnd assist other parts during timeJ of need. In that spirit. the: c:onttpt nr \'l.)ualintion is !;l)lnct.hing :lbliut whleb we feel c.xtrcmely aHonaJ)'•

Pcr~ps the mos1 important t;ection in the re-liOlution bero,e. 11$ is th.c d l:l.rtl:r of right.s. I bcli~·c passionately in the protection and dtc: e;\ i31e..Cc q( hum:tn t ights. They must be ~ntrt.ll!Cbtd io the Constitution to prQvidc lepl prottctit>n (.;,r all C;uu dians, not subject to the • 'him of proYinct.,l govern· ments nor. for thl&t m~lter. to the whim o:~f federal go'I'Cffl· 1tlents. i huc: .are tbCISC wbo protc:s:t th<tt prot.:o:tian by paf1ia· mwts nnd l~isl:nures has bcett a safe cnouah protection or indi\•idual t izhl$ in Can;uJa, but I do not think hjstory bdrs this <lut.

Moy I caiJ it nine a'dock, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. lkput)' $pnh•: h being nine o'elod:. the H<.luse • ·ill now Pfoooed to the C'J()n$ider:~t ion bf pti,•ate t11C1'1\bers· business ai listed on ll.lday'a Ordc::r Paper, n~mdy, n(.)l i~ of motil.li'IS and public bi.lls.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' MOTIONS

(£nglith) hem~ N<.ll'· J I to 3<1 ind~aiv!! and No. 13 allo" ·cd to uand

by un;JnimOU$ con;'lcnt.

' . . OFFIClAL LANGUAGES

EQUALITV Of MINORtTV l A!I.'(IUAGE M.H.il-rTS

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