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Q ijn1~ t did your oruers Si1Y as to Nlwt shouhl bL1ppCn Cl t 110rzborg A In Hel~zbcrg erG should illlve boarded [1 train

Q Did youlmow whctt you_r ultimate rlostirntion Wcs to -oo A No Vie did not

Q --len did the trrulSpurt in (lctual 2act start off A Yic could not take the trLin in Herzbcrg becauJe of t-NO ~lir-raid attacks and 30 thereforo I So ve orders to t a ke the road towuxls the next concentra tiOl1 comp (nd tha t -vas Derscn-Bclsm

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A Wc left Klein Bodungen

Q Did you hold rt roll call of the 1)risoners bcforu the transprt of the -risonors s tacted off A In Klein Bodun~(D ifC held a roll call

Q How i1any prisoners yrerc there in the trDn0ort A 610

Q Vfuu t tlt3S the physical condition )f the Jrisoncrs jhcn thuy s tartecl off A Good

Q How rnny guorrs were in th) trallclporl A

Q What hCpJInoc Ylhon you crcivccl Cl t Hcrzbcrg A I vrent yli th JWlllOtOr-cycle to I-Icrzbcrg to sec how tllins were and I SQW that because of the [irraicls it 111 not ~ ) ssiblc to cnntinuc theTc so I VTent to Ostorrdo~ tllat is also Cl CD~iP rtnd prtpared 8COO 0dD tion for qy prisoners there

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Q ihG th)re itXW ~)1rticular i(lciclcnt which OCClll10U at Suz 2d_tt(gtr A I hj~ a roll call ~ t Solzc ci ttor and fiVe prisoners were missing

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Q iilho WlJ eloinE the shooting A Th-l t uni t

Q Whttt happened then A jlhen tl lCY took the prisoners avmy fl1crc VIas no question about falling in or Cl pcoper praclc because everything was in a bd disorder and those 30 tock the ~)risoners away in a very riuick Lurch -not Eurchinc -out vcry quickly D t the double

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Q N110r0 wore th0 l)risC)llcXs takon to A The (1es tinD tion WelD unknmvn I wEmt asain to the coc1rundant )n~ asked hid for D truck so I coulcl take It least r Dtions jut he refu3cc~ thi~ lncl 30 I tried to contact the prisoner lS quickly CU3 middot~os3iblc -nc I ronched tho collDn about 2 to 3 IdloEletrc3 frou G-roGshelol1 in a vv)od whero thoy s toppec

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Q Did he s ay vlho blld cho t thCL1 A I askod hill iioll will (lid the shooting 8nl h is 8nsWcr YVDS the on of this field unit bece usc thosc l-1d no idea how t tre(C t priSGilCrS [11(] t h ey prob[bly thouiZht they Vlcre not i~llrching fDst onou)l ro thuy hgtt thcEl My p8olc uy 2UDrd Ylere not prosent a t all durins t li3 ~- erio(1 beca use ay gulrds middotJere a lready in thdir Jarraeks and IThon the prisonors [018 rnrcheel off 30 my 8l1Brds wore n)t ready eithcr they vm shed Ol~ they sb2cves or they [to but rmVWDy thoy roached the ooluLm only 11 tor on so they wer8 not present Q t the shooting

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bull -Julc it be tho SC-DC if the prisonors -Nere oin2 )y train u In the sr~ le [y ])l)OS 7oulr~ ht) vc ~J (Jen (hE tributocl to cilch Yill20n ono or two or in the Cmiddot1S( of fOrkmiddot_1en for instilrlcc D foroiian not ilh~ys lclpos

~ Havo you boon )roscnt J t Belscn D t l ti- Then the l1iffer-nt )risoners were ~ctoilc( to (ifforont middotJlocles ~ No bull

~ Su)oslt SOde gtrisoncrs -middotfero c_Ilotec to 0 block Thich ilreacly IIrns inhcoi tcJ ~jy ether )risonec8 middotnuL it be likcly or unlL~cly fer J Impo or block altcster fr)n Dort ccT to li) )Ut in the block ~S blockltcster an the ~)revious middotme re gtvcd

Ttffi INlETGt-poundrE~~ lie GCl1not lt l1SlOr that

Tfill PR2SID~Wr The court middotIill no[ l l~journ ilnL rcSsen~)l() l~cin c t 1100 hours

b~ ~~~~ (1110 accusc~l

hours the court is closo(1) hours the court is reopened) arc oJlin i)rou)Jt ~JOfore the court)

THE PtiliSIDEiTT Col D-lckhousc cfore you stnrt yeur cross-cx~-iina tioJ1 on the rGC(~~middotlcnl1) tion ef the i()tiical otficer the court has dircctel that Nu 17 Gurrt-)o (i i ttul to hospibl nOl ~ll1(_ tho court is [lLitins i1

coport 8S to middotJhvt his fitness fill 8 to stan his tritl

COL BmiddotlCliliOUJl Chatbeinr so it is qui to iilpossilo for 10 to ~jC 0D unCil that report has ccn recoi vod II there is Sj ins to bo any sUGcs tion ltoft Gura continuiDgto stcnd his trial I c~n only ask that tho c_uct 1le ilcjourncd until it is knovm iTheULcT he can stnne his trip-le I of course cannot t~k( iny ovicnc( in his CJcncc if ho is a pln to 1)0 J prisoner in the triLl

Je ~ro fJc()(1 -[i-th tmiddotiC cltullfltivGs middot Ono is to lrop hie out of the triill the either is tu CLcjuurn until ho is fit to s tan(l his tri~ll~ In middotvimj of thu nil tUTU uf the trial LrJ the nunber of l)crsons involved it is c~Jvious t (J 1 lin ~ tint i( wouLi )h~ t be jus tifie( in nslcin for CLITj Ions nc1journunt~ the trial rill tcve t middot CO on without hiLl aml if nccossllry he rill ~)C tcimiddotl 2t 8010 lotor stlto But if it iD iJCrcly [1 question 0 1 Q rcpult m his con~i tiun thmiddott i cnothcr nttcr

TtD~ Pt3SIDENT rh c )Urt foels ct l)lcScnt tInt there iSi10 ncceslt3ity tu c jOUTl1 tlE ccurt ~rJ~ that on rcc~i)t c)f the report on this _~in which i~ not an i~ citl rc~(rt tclc in 11 hour it rill then clccilc lhit rill hilcn ill 3i c~ S he is conocci1c(1

COL DcClIOm~E 11 8ic-G lC c I ~ conoerned I Cl uounLl to Ltko this vicrrn t ii this tn JC S )D imiddot~ivinJ evicencc in his LL~)SOnCC hu c8nn(t i~-middot_in gt0) C D n ccused in tl1i C8sc

COL IL(jIWUSi ~ llccusc in iy ViCIT iL on rLCCUS((~ is not prcscnt ~vi(cnco cnnnot 10 taken I - it tLat I ~ talwn iJY sUIjJrisc b0CIlSU it hns not ~)(cn in bull icc ~ to -_c middotL t [tll -11 tit ismiddot Gn~~cs tUll she ull~ h-)Ll1 1gtut I ~1VC no (OUI) t in __ y incl ahec tovcr thlt t jn cJurts -lET ti cl or lny o middotllcr for of nlinll court cvirlencc cmiddotlnnot JC trlkcn in the ~-1-scnco of m

TI-rS JUtGpound _middot~VOCilE Let us (l~gt it -y t1Ecs 7he court () oot lilt r-~ to llc tl~middoton ~jy uz-gtric in lny vfYChJ court tholsclv8S iCJ ( rlthor t~tkcJr by surjrisoJCCiLUSC this -70S (mly ~ut to tIwi [ fo-v loilCnts [0 fnJ [tS I lnlj--l~ -) 0 fl-- 13 pr)cdclurc is UC111ccrl1ccl --[0 Qrc LuVccncc1 ~)y tbu rtlllc8 of ProccC~uro fox- middoti01(1~(nr11 CODJt-uutill ml Cs flr CIS I rCd cu)Cr hulc of PlGCgt_~lEC 63(n) on r10 Gj of the ~L(Ll1ul of iilitary Lli Soy8

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=r _ ~ t _ - _ ___ l L ~ -_~ ~ rCC~Cmiddot_lll~S inclumiddot2in~ tl18 Vi(i of Clny pl cG 3111 ]( in G~Jcn C-lurt llL in the )roscnce of tho QCCUSC(l1I If you turn to huc of Procc(ure 121 y )U find liThe foresoinJ rules shall so fl~ 8 )rlcticl~)lo r~~ily QS if D fioh cncrn1 court-Dartial vvcro a ~~is trict court~ ctiQ1 11 It is middotnot inc1u~ec~ in thero

COL LGKHOUSE I o))rc cia to thn t

THe JUmE J)VOC TE Co you not fecl t -l~ t in 30-( wy the rules uight bo lore loosely froLec in 1Zlr tc [middotil~ llcral eourt-artial in that it 200s not s~eciric-ltlly )y cny rule smiddotlY -h3t the nceuscC ust be resont throu hcut

COL D_CKHOUGE I~middot ) nt think it h1~ that intention for 0 middot1011Gnt Sir I think it middotJul intrc ~llCin~ scrlCthins 1irholly oriiml to Enlish eriiIlil 1 If tht 7erC the intention I al eonvincoc it --oul hovc bccn ~cn 1trry crefully-tnlt SCT1Cthil1[ lrhich roull havo boen put into the rulmiddotJs It is funcl~lent~tlly Oiosccl t u unythins I hlve cvur hcltrc of in c)~1n0ction with crininl lasi tht t l)rocco(~in2s can toko p10 ce in the middot~ s(nco of L~n QCCUSC(J Thf) t is ~~Y a-m vimmiddotf

TI-E JUDG2 _DVOCTl~ Is not it c flet --~lnc nur ~)orhops 1( he ve to So nck to our stuclcnt (l~ys C11in Jith tho cistinction between tl felony un~ 0 i~-liscCLlCllOur -- 111 is not it still the 10vi the t in the C8SC of 3 felony m accus((l lUSt bo present thrU[jlout thoush it is not necesslry in the CDSC of uisconcanour

COL ~ACKHOUSE I middotjill not accco)t thtt I think he middotlust be prcsGnt thrr)U[~hout in 0 triC)l of felony or uiCcnCEllour It is truo thD-t lli th rccnrcl to cortJin offences such 03 -n OffCll(J in Q court of sUpoundL1nry juris~liction if 110 hinslt311 cJCircscs D- (erlirc not to be l)rcsent then it is not 118CCssary for hiLi to le pros (ut Th2 t is cc totlt111y Jifferont thinc

COL BI~CKROU3=- I llcrely w_nt to soy this If re sh1ll knOYi quickly yhcther 10 C(ln s tmll his trial I ask for on acjourn wnt If not I ask fer his nDL~O to bo struck out of tho charge

I middotli2ht say this r Before you COLlO to a final (ccision poundJy I bo allY7Ccl ton Linutos tc consicer thil~ iD ttcr I have so little Goubt aB

to the ~)()si tion I 10 not really ncc(~ i t CXCO~it to consiller the Jcst rrm20i~lGnt that emiddotn be iilC undcr the circlU~stClnces I ylill say at once I 0 not iTant tiDe to consiucr yrhcther iC c~n [0 on ri thout hiu bucouse c cannot I vouL like to consic1cr thc best course to tckc

Cpl BrtOmiddotN I 2j~1 ilfroiJ I CeLl not in osi tion to arsuc on EnGlish crLinn_l 1c7 iut I tSccc 1 th thc prosecutor ~s far [tS the Scottish b-if is c)llGCrncc I feel tho t 11e I)re in CXDctly the SQI1e position I a2rec vri th middotjih t he s ys

lIili JUrG~ middotDV()CLTE Jhvc you Dn lrchbold Col Ihckhousc

COL llCKt-IOUSE Yes Tho rcl(vlnt plSS2Ge Stlys n trial in Cl CQSC of lis _1middotmiddotcl1our C~l1 ~Jr(ceec1 middotri thout the iriS0nor in the clock but it is ncvor - I - t ro bull 1 1 1 ---- f th n onc I you Ylol1 GO r 1n( cfP cover or cLo1n 1S 01 oourse Ro[ula tion -11 of these ~crulLL tions bull iJ1t providc it Tho finins anc ilrry scntence Nhich the court 111 jurisciction to x~ss GDy bc confirlOcl cnl if confirwc 3h11 ljG vc_lie notmiddotlith3timdin~~ any ccviation ir()D these rtc[ul-L tions oc th -ulo3 middotf Proee~~uro or any clef eet or ob jcetion technicl or 8thor unloss i t rlP~)(~rG the t [ sul)s tcntial uisclrriasc of justic8 hls octuclly occurroll Ono ccn iine Q cover for it if ono middotrlltUG to trJk middotPV frui1 the 11011 practcc

THE P~SIDuITT Ihct I propoGo t dc LS to adj mm an Sivu the cmrt IS C cciJion

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CiFT DDifllr Uay I say onc uorc YTonl ri th 10 ~arcl to pararrJph 11 In Lgty viow the )rcsccutor has tclcon rCl thor 0 YlciC vio of tho t llaragra)h boc1Use fr011 the rcaclns of tho jXtra~rlh it QIX3ars to no tba t rrba t is intcnclocl is toot 0 findin Clnc a SGntci1cC 811-111 bo valid notii ths tanc1in3 any Joviation froD those Roulntions hich is ut before tho court or iscClvoror Iftcr the s0ntonce h08 ~ ((n plssed or the finrlin2 hns i)(~cn

COL DlC~lliOUS I e~r() it ilonns thc finding can stand cvun rhc11 tho court hrs ~~onc drmc I LLo not think it is leant ns Cl cover for the ourt to 1ltlt u~J th8ir I)YvTI resulction

cmiddotso thnt Gur has iiv~n evidence cne- Ins had ~m ol~ortuni ty )1 putti113

Tho llor-onclinc officers 2ro SU )liltd Etch

iby ili th a cu y of the trlnscrijJt vfhich can 1) 8 rem t o GuXlt a nd

al thou0J he Jy no t heL vc ~)roscnt thrnur-hout thc -[hollt trill it L - - -

officer cnu the prJsocutor Gure coulc1 QC p ut in t )osition where no

JcrSOrl c-mlO ~)o3Gib1y allO[o thcrc J3 Ci-ry ~Jrcjuclicc whatcv(r to hiLl

I thiY1Jc the court hld that in

linrl fJKn consirlorint it )ofore

Ct l1L-O hours the court is closocl)

Cl t 1150 hQurs the CJurt is reopcned)

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l ~ E JmiddotUDG~ A[)TOCATE Colonel Backhous0 the oourt have carefully considered the pos i tion middot[1ich has arise11 in rtlaquoDrd to the accused Gura Rif~htly or Ylron31y I have advised the court th8t in my opinion tho absenco of Gura from the court for a short p~riod ilOuld not couse a conviction otherifiso sound to fail because of hiG absence

The court LCover middot[mt to opprooch it from quite a differcmt poid ef vie -hile 1)(cotil1~ the legal ndvice I have torDored to them lhey ere Yoro COl1C0rneG middotfi th justice on this point thnn t

matter of In They -wc felt thoy LiUSt c1rofully cJnsidcr YThcther if they Dcccpt my pound3vicc in this ) nrmiddot~icL1L1r C[130 any hErdship or uniairnoss would occur to Gurn J()[ring in nind thnt Gura lOS given h is ovidoDCO ard bearinG in ~ ind thct if he shnuld bo [jJny for tl-i O or th]oe days his dofoding officer will be here nIl] thnt ho Yiill have 0 copy frittei1 down for r~ili1 of every nord Thich has b(im pnsseu in this court in h is abseme they orc sntisfiod thnt no inJustice or umiddotlfoirness will ocetll to Guru

Thereforo the court fool thnt tho p110Jcr course is to proceou with this trinl nnd if Gurn is nble to rltJsuno his soat in the dock in tho next biIO or U n oo dClYS so i11lCh the better If he is not able to rOsUlno h is seat in tho d cc] middotmiddotri thin u reasonable time before this cnse en~s then it rlny be thot SC or ns tneiJo p roceodirl[s are concorned thoy -Hill huvc to 00 dropped ucaint him I think it only rieht - (la tlio court I think would like lC to do so - to nsk the (lefoldin officer for GurE YIhether he a3rees that if t he se stops ore tnken there cnn be no prejcC~ ice or linfairness Ihntsocvor to Gura

CAPT CROVTN I f)~reo thnt un ler thOf~iJ eircuf1storc08 Gura YIould not be middot prcjn1iced I om suro t he c ourt middotfill if it ts essential nlloYr me to ~o over t ho evidence ar flin if Guro roturnG into the box I an thil1king pnrtie1Jlnrly of 1 fitness possibly i dentifying Guro I do not think it Ylill hnpon but I n[ ~juro the c ourt vrL l Cr mt Y1e thct opportunity if it does ocmiddotcmiddot~r I [lE) Ilorfectly sntisfiucJ that Gurn rill not be pre j lid iced

TrlE JUmE JDVOCATE Than tho docisinn of the c ourt is thot the trial will noVf proceod in the ordirmry 1 ay bull

------TPE mSIDNT I shc)ulc like the nccucea to knor exactly whnt hns transvirctl ~ith reg ard to this matter

TfE JUIX-E ADVOQHTE Yos I think the best yrnywou ld be for the shorthandshywritcr to rcnG -rhnt I have saiu tC the intorproter in ord0r that it nay bo translntod t o the accused

(The shorthand Ylriter renets the ruline of the J tilrte middotcvoeato e rl the subsequont ro mark~ by Captcin DI )yrn)

Cross-ox[Ulined by CCJL lLCKIlOUSE

I You have t c l J 1)5 thnt yo u volunteQ11)(J for thu SS in 1936

et TrlB t yras boeause Y G U ll2ntod to h ~ professionnl solLlicr

J bullbull Yes

J~_ bull y cs

Q Joillin~ the SS in j 336 hOG Dl) thini~ middothotovcr to (lo -rith soldiorinl3 hltKl it r I middot ~d tcll to join for 12 ycoIG 1 ~d I cOnSiU0Iec1 it then to be my 1)1 cfo ss i cn

CJ ~3 ut t he SS had n()thinr~ to do rith IJnlc1io rinr~ in 1936 hau it 1w] nothinr~ t o do JUt tre S3

-n bull Ho it

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3 ~~ i~i rst 1 000 t- middot-[hicll y ou 0 re sorit bull lo bull Dochcu bull

or)Loontr3tion OcrIP I No thDt VfDS separDte from the troops onc I haJ be~n until 1939 vith the troops

Q You 0011 thom trooI)s but they Horo not troops They YfOre SS woro they not A Yos

Q Coath s head SS Yos

Q They provicod 811 ocrcontr3tbn OCtX7) Guerds middotxf to the 781 J id ny c they il Yos

Q Hcr lore rlid you stoy at Dnohau c Until Maroh 1939 I 3S -iith the SS trecps nnd then I Yos transferroc1 to the ooncentratior o~~r ~~ rro r

2 CLohau ns tho fir3t oollCentration oomp YiDS it not J I~ c n t lcno-

Q middot~hGro J iG you 50 in 1939 il Into tho oonoontrotion bamp nt Dacilu

~ 110YI 10 ~~ JicJ you ~t ay t ho re 1 15th Jm unry 1 944

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rLlt 1010 your dutios thoro H Ibout six DO1ths in tho b6ginnin~ middot-ho r 1 1 ivccl in the oonoontrcticn CDYJ i I Tas oup10yoc1 as oonpony 1WXlor t he n nft(l six months I YfcO put in oharco of sm~lllor orkinr~ i)ortios

hot rank ho(] you 1Oaoho( by then Unterscharfuhror 1 bull

hnt YleS ynur rank in Jpril 194-5 0

IIauptsoharfuhrer tl bull

There did you Co in JDnunry 1 9Lr4- l~ rhe oonoQ ntrn tion o amp Bitte1bau

rt IThon ~(ero you putmiddot in ohorGe of K10in-Bodu~on

0 Whore wuro yrur prisoners vrnrking in K1ein-Boclungen 1 It Was a small part of the works workine on V1 and V2 wODpons

---------(2 hon diu you first moet Dor H ~~rhon I O[lPle to HittolbDU I SlJprse Fobruary 1 944

tJ T1as he n1roady thoro 1 Yos

l-Then d id he OOl~O -to Kloin-13oc1ungen l September 1944

Q 7hot was his rodlt H bull Untersohnrfuhrer

-ins he your sooorrl in oOTillClancl of this o81umn 11 Yos

rd Hc s hc trnv( llin~ gt1ben ynu loft Klcin-Bodungen lo He hnu nlYroys beon with no the yrhrlo tline at the boGirmlTJL on D motor-oyo1e lctor in ~~ oar nnd lotor on on bioycles [0 -010 topound othor

~~ If you Ctnu tho sccon(] in cOITljnnrll VTolrt )ff to~middot~othc r Yrl O -Jns left in cr1art~o of the prisoners Nobody thot Y[DS in r~occl runninG order

J no iDS in oOYJnancl of thorn I iro wo ro not al7 nys [)Hny from the troop If c ore it ras for an hour r 1 vro TO 1010 on tho mDin rGltcl~ nnc1 than HO

l(tur nC(] to the prisorors ltleain

1 ThJ did you lcave in oharso Yfhen you fent DYlny H Nobody

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--rCot r2_ j tYt i l- t ilG -~lJ of transport whclJ you left ncin-Bo(~unscn co Wo h ad ono truck and ono harrlcarl and later on wo eot -bro othcc hcnushyc ~rts so -70 h3d three

~ Yhat did you do vith your kit You had boon livine at Dor8 for (uitc [ lonE tLTG and you must have collectod some belongings l~ I took it with me on the truck

Yeu h 8(1 ~-1 SS men -[hat did they do rith thcir kit nothins at 011 only their Uniforms their greatcoats parcol or smol1 valise That is nIl they had

i1 They hac and a very small

Q Did you take 01Y cookiYlG utensils -Tith y01~ utensils

~ Each person hnd his CJiJn

Ji Yes evo-ything Was loadod into the trmk

G DU Y8U take your offico records and papers tho)e

A Thoro 7DS nothing

V[hat sort of truck Vfus it Three ton or four ton

Jiu 8riY SS mOn travel in it -ho had serO foe t bull

1- bull Yos some SS men who eould not ralk

h I Qc not know I th ink onc or a ffiax irl1um o~ tUG

lt6 DiJ Kraft tr~vol in yeur truck i Sometir1os YW har two trucks md Kraft was YlOr~c icg with r3tions so sometimes he went baek in his 0-Tn

truek for rutions

Q I am talkirl[ sbout when the p[lrty left Kloin-Bodungon did Kroft start off in it then i Ye 5

J horo did you put these rations for 610 people for a fortnight I He could not carry all that on ono truck thot is why he had to do iNO

journeys

Of -That d LI the rntions cOlJsist 11 bull Bread cheose S2Lus~re or moat

J hcro diu you find all that fcu in a cOnG(mtration C01lJ il Tho brood C~UQ Learn Klo in-Bod uJlGon and the moat CWi1C from Norc1hausen I believe

-[hat sort of ))lont Was it JUst norla l moat It Yos bee nril 8lso -innod moat

Z j1JB h lor 600 people for a fort rJltht ) Li-~ht bull

Yos [It lC)st f )r a fort-

Q tnrl all earriec~ tocethor crith the o(1oki11[ utensils your kit on( tHO or three SS lon on two VT9[[Ons J~ On two ila2Sons

Tell us a li ttlo more ab out this eDme at Osteroc1c i~rhat size carnp 1[08

it A For fivo or six hundrerl prisoners

J Yias it alreac1y 0n1pty -Them you ~~ot thore fi No

- 1hure d id you putmiddot y-our 600 prisonors thon it There H cS not Vcry much roan for my pris-merr so they ho(l to noko room

C illd then you enu ]10( 7ont on b Elck to Herzborg A Yes wc prepared aoeoJ11_rIlodation at Ostorode ampne t hon yltent baok to Herzberg

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~ middot h~t ai~ jCtl [~O bDcl to Etrzborl3 for meet the prisoners

li I wont b)ck to lrz0erG to

Q Then uicl Dor -0 on bncL toKloin-l~dUl1Gon a~ain i1 Ho I olono

Q Yhat hap~)()nod to Dor ~ Dol yenfent yrith the truck with tho rations to Osterode and thure he Gtnycd ltno -li ted until I eamo

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So Dol re 1)l 0() ri th l(r8ft -oulL~ h( c Yes

L yes bull

f ( 2 ~-~ t-ey r f jSek to Klein-Jodun en [i th the seeond lot of rot iol5 J lib 1~o tro journoYG On tta ~irst day I myself fcnt b3Cl for too thirlt2 ti1O for the ro~t of the rations and at the sartC tLB t o prGpnre t he truck for tho next days jOUlney

q So th(y did not stay H Uh the tJupk Roolly you tonk it aYloy anlt left them behinJand then camo Dock t o them is that rifht A Yes they stayed in camp and I t Gk the truck

Q Did you taku anybody ith you

Q - ho l OFlded ui the truck vrhen yo -ot to Klein-BodunGon ni th the rust of the rati0ns J Iysclf nno the orivcr

Q You t00k off the rations for 600 ~)eoplc for a fortnir~ht l N) there was not vcry much loft or)1y eoffoo some rice or same porridFc

(J Most of it had ~one in OnD trupk load had it the truck was not full at 011

L ~ Llito cosily [)ccause

Q Did any of the -9risonrs fall (ut on thc way Did any cif the t)risoncrs have sore icut i~ Yes

Q That wore the prisoners vuiril1f~ nn their feet A roodon hoes or boots - vfodlon clo[s ith SOlll lCElthur fixed on them~

Q I SUU-est to you thot tho rgtriSlln0r~ Who c01llcl not keep up rCllO

shot tpJ) t nir~ht tiro the ncxt mornine A That is inTossiblo

~Vhy do you soy it is impossible A It is qaite i llusS iblo that any-ced) s hew_0 he-lIu shot a prisoner v] ho ilaS i n my chru[o

(j YOJ -r(rc ilot tLore you had [~onc CJiiay an r left th0r1 ] lt least it Would laVu )e en reorted to r1e th t some prisoners were shot

( I do not ia1t to truce you all ov-r the r (ute but whpt I DD puttil1l~ to you is this that from then on 011 t he vmy along on this transport if a priso1cr could llC)t hop up Dor shot him A No it is not true The pris-ners 1rho had trouble (i th their feet rere allONod to sit on the handshycarts and people Who had more serious il1jurios to their foot yroce allcwed to travel in t11e truck bull

Q The pris0ners put two on the harilcart tll -first day did not they A I cannot say I Has not thoro on the first day

(~ They arc the two I ITn sue-~ estL1(~ Tero shot the next TlOrnil1r ) ernnot bcliuve it

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( ~ D_ ~ou ru Yrombor a man e~llod Mamellc who was in your tra~1sport

Oannot rcmmber the nmne I nould not know everybody

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~ Cl F rerc hlpound)n 1ram Par is I (~o not kno-bullbull

~ Hc V as ono of the l)eoph fIla ~i as shot on the w oy Yf au he not A The ce have been nc prisoners sho t on t he road ith tho CXc( tbn of that inoidunt in Grosshelon

(~ I al_ Sl~~~l)stin thot Dor Has shootinj prisonej~s all the way alot1(~ that road -ihenev( Y they fell out I 3r1 not sugestinr~ thct you shot them but that Door shot thcrl and you Iore tho 10 on occasiorw rhen Dor shot them A It is not true

q I s l= ~cst tr j-OU thct ttG2Q O0rc 650 j)riso1ccs -rho set nut on that mnroh 1- l~ot is not true rro never hcJ 650 )r isoncrs in Klain-B~ungon

~t Did cu I30( t any lJrisonrs fror~l IfordhalSOn 011 Gh( ~ ay No

~ JFi not you flle0t a feY strnngrs i No

-itor thu first uny or two thc Ilrisonrs foun1 the marohing very hcru diel they not j~ No I CHTUKtt s ay that

h)l far did you march each doy h 25 to 30 kilometres bull

~ 15 or 20 miles in wooden shoes ith people vlho arc lot used to Jlachil1~ would not be much fun vvo uld it - A In the first plocn those prisoners llTCre used to marchinG In the secom place they cot their food rccgtolarly and in the thin1 l)laco they only rr_nrchod about y kilo metres an hour

Q They v[ere nDrchiY[~ about ten hours a uay ~f0 rO they i Y0S

(2 Of course t hoD flrst tv70 days you ilcre oing richt ovec the Hartz mountains YiCrO you net i bull Yes

G Do JOu really jpoundln that nono oJ chort be[3on to ~ot sore feot ond Get tirod A middot01 ccurse t hey Y[0rO tired but they had 0 OCQ sleep ut night and they sot their f ood reGularly

A Yes

~ lcrc -trcy carryin- any bc~dinr~ thot they hoLl ot blanl~ots bull

A Bvo r yb od y had trr 0

Q Of courso you ro~]o in D truck 111 the time C3 lon~ as the1o VI as onc did you not You did not do any m2rehin J I YTas usually with the colurrm marchinr~ myself Only now arYl t hu n I 1[(nt hoad on a bicycle

(~ Or in a motor--car A Yes cDly tho filst two days that is to say from the first day back to OsterCde am on the second uay to Seosen

S Tell us about this extraordinary hatPoning at Grossholon Whore as this place you put the prisoners at Glesshclen in the first plec0 hun you lOt thore It VI as at the onu pf the vill88e of Grossholon in the direction of BerGen

t 7ho Guarded the prisoners there A rTe had tHO )lards in the barn

( -~ ---ho guarded the prisoners outsEc the barn A The sentries 11010 in

such a position thnt_ thoy could I)vorlook all the prisoners who wore in front of the bnrn

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yhich ElS onothor barn or stablo Jith strovv on tho floor about 50 ]071]

f5Ji1ny f-rom the jlisonors born

Q YThon you went to se E) the lac 01 cormi1Dlil ant Tho d id you 10 ave in oharGo of the prisoners h The only thiYl[ -Tas thoro were tdo [ulYc1s Ir( t t y 3uardod the pris )nors and that Wc-s eood enough

Cl ihot happoned to tho ether 36 -~ They vera in their OWn hillGC cbmiddotwt 50 motres frcrl tho bcrn middotlIhere t he prisJl1)rs Hero

~ Do you IToan that the eOlllorrJant GOnt 01 ono af his officers nnr] middotcLimiddotctJ ~ ~ forty of his CDn to look after y( ur llrisonors yhen yo haC Cl COrlplc-fc set of i3uards of your own 1 t r-l iddle of a battle imiddotl Because I refused to loav) the village this Jffiecr received an or-lec t~) fL GO c that thoSG priscnors go t ~Nay Olt of tho villaE~e

q ~middothat 1nppomd to you as an SS l~ CO yrhcn you refused to obey the middotJL~JG r

of the SS i1~jor i rJel1 of eourso it Was sOn1othinr tr r ir ~ l r I could bo punishou for iihenovor you refused to do (nythilJr~ you YtC0

punished

1 Did not he put you un1er arrest imeaiotoly Thero ias i1rJ

ol)portuYlity becauso whlt was h( ~oin[~ to do nith me then

Q Fp hod plenty of men to spare kcO sent off an offioel an~ 30 r~cn 1Jeulli not it have been Duch IlOro sirr~tle to put you under arrost Dn] -Cull YO L-

men to ~et on with th0ir work j The thin-= this oOElii1onJ8nt vr ~ [ mest cone0rne2 ooout was to middot~ot Jche prisonors away aril bocCtuSO I 0[U30

to (r it ho just scnt h is officuc mld his 30 mon

(~ So you middot-7atohoc1 j70ur l)risoncrs bCiirlt~ cloublo fJ ffi~roy by thuso 30 G3 [lI-rD ~OXl1 the FiGL Jorec did you ~ I oould not do mythine 8a rs Jc j~

And ~Nay

it

all your guards lllco this to 0

They got roady

stayed a nd middotatched nIl thoir charges bojrr~ (Lwblcr1 did they i They die not stny thoro 10 ( lt1ltin[ at to oatch up 1-ith the coltu-m as quiokli as P)) ibJ bull )

Q 7ho was in eharc of thv ool1lTIlil lhcn you coJe up with them 17hcn I reachoct tho column in thc woo1 still this offioer of middotch)t 1~_+ ~n d10 village waS with them

t Yi(ro his men still ruarJil1[ theElt ~~ Yes

(amp hOW long did they st[Jy thore L They aeconIlanioG us to the P 0 oamp ut the ci lfiolcl and then they ront back

( ~ 7hon did your uarc~ join you

prisoT1tJrs stayed in the vvood an( 11 Durine thc pcri xl that the ha(~ a re s t the y [Ill j fiYl]d us

Q Then tho not thy you s -~y you iunt on to 1301scn iL Yes

Q And you ot t holl about four 0 olock in the afternoon is middotlh[t r i rh-r

r ~

A Yes

I sugGost to you thoro yrns SOIflCj rnorc sbootin[ vrllcn jiO U ~ot tl1G l18 h I hlvC not hOtlrd 1nythiYl

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No a prisoner A I do not know

J I sUest to ysu that tllGre YfOre mn3 men shot nt Bulsen for tryins to get some Sedes il It is hTf)ossiblc because our prisonor~ wure not starved like for instance oth0rs -fOre

Yfhy d ic~ you Icep DOl wi th lCl 1 ilee this ell tb tir1C --Thy 11 id you not leave him iE chcrfe of to tra0sport when yu mnt off It -os not necessary for ~-lL~ to stay with the tranSort

Who i ctl_~ h2VC boon responsiblo if all the priso1ors hJc L T he wrrd bull

(j Yroul_~ ~1Ot you 11pound0 boen rospoYlsiblo if yOil -~l CI0 in champrru uf Jcl ~0 tIlnS1Jort gt0 Yes I ras the loador of the transport but if a prisomr runs 8-i D-Y I C8nnct help it

4 ---llot on osrth do you think you vCre thoro for Igt- It -r03 my honour to tD- k c tLe prisonors to lbrzbers and when VlC CaTmiddot1C there we marched thom to 3clsen

r o Did you oven tako the

when you ~ot there later on it yras block

trouole to soo -rheroab~)uts thoy foro to Je in Bolson A I do not exactly knm-r YJhore they wont I hoard

909293 I do not kn01f oxactly

r Ylhere did you havo this roll call at Bolscn iL 1ru iot into the 0 21111

and them yre came on square number onc an1 them re lined them up and found out hOrT many vfere missil1[

Q Nobody ever culled you to any aocount for thc ones you hall lost on the way A oll of elt)urso I VI as rosyonsiblo for the prislners 0ut Yrhcn this -Tarfen SS unit stnrtotl firil1 I could say they W(ro rOGponsible fo~ the l~)ss of the prisoners and I hd nothing to de ifith that

~ But vrhen you arrtvcd at Bolson a ntlrnbor of J11Cn short did 110boJy Cior ask you why A No becnuse rJObody knoi hov7 m~ny priSOllClC oro c (Y(lin~ I handed them ove r to o -~l-(r pris(1Ylurs and tkte SS clerks and I sniJ 11-[ 0

arC) about 60() md they put thom into onO bleck [rx~ it uas f1)1l

Q You nevor thought of rep ortiYl[ to Hoesslcr nnc1 syiYl[ c tCllj_)lu thinr~ has happened ~- lot of prisoners have bouD shot ~) y tho affol S3 r

i~ I roortcc1 tl1is to Hocsslor

Q When did y ou ro)ort it to l-ioCsslor -I- I beliovo it yraS 0 1 the next day beeause on t he SaT-1e day -lQ arrived ve Vlere tCD busy tc look iter the rations

1-Lct JiG you tell HJes31or about this shootil(~ Eoosslor Ol rJ told hL that my j)ri30nors h ad been a -UYlit of the VIuffen SS and I -GelId hint 1l~)orG Then he said W(Jll~ this is a qUQstion in which m mt is concerned SD vre hove noth ing to do Yrith ofit

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I reported to ohasod [M3Y from Grltlssholon the tncidcnt that ccourrod tllD crnllt-r13rtiru depart ~ i t bull So thit vr ClS tho ond

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jilOnent I rc-) ortc ~ this Hoqsslor had quite El lot of othJr thin[s to do

For instance he had to sce that 15000 prisoners hat1 food

2 You Tcr10mbcr Y0ur roll eall at Salzeeittcr A Yes

Q hat did yu do -rhoomiddot j JU found you were fivo men short thoro A I did

mt cl 0 anythin -0 just marched c)ff

~ Did not yu ElSmiddot~ Mybcdyfhat had happcnoc1 to then no No )eeauso

nd i coulCi LlOW if thQY 0scape] uurirc the nicht tLc

( Die not j~)J put any uard on at nirht t~ Yes but the ~)risonors

iron slo o~il1g in three huts ard t hecc VO Cc) 1770 Euards in front of the

11 -C s and hlO UDrds on the othor sides of the huts but the two other

il1c s of the h ut s vero not Guarded

et The real aruWor i you knew perfectly vr(ll that Dor had shot them is it

not ~ It is not true

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Ct Wh en j10ufirst middotFJnt to Daehau What sort of training did you ~ot

I had the ordinnry infantry training for about half a yoar Incl then

I Vias an instrutor myself ~

Q -lhilst Y Cl rere ei-laywith Dor for those odd hours duriDpound~ thc march vhat

A Wo went nhead in the first place to ret some

information about thc front lino anr] the fi13htil1 In the secon1 pl[co-

YiC lcnt to try nrd Get accollBodotion for the lriso1ors on find places

where wc could [i ve them y-rator

amp eu h 8vG bcon asked about the tYl)C of food tlJt 18S ivcn to you whcn you

loft DoXOl What vwrk were the prisoners in the camps undOl Dora onga[cd

upon I Tho prisoners had rOlthol li[~htirork They yrcro packil1[

CC1SeS apd doing all kinds of lisht work

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7 c~ J -- ck in in the CEtS cs i A They wore parts of th8se y

r~n yeu 3JY hmI ililny of the interneos fell out of the transport and had to bo put on to the food truck A All in all there rere about 8 or 10 yho had 1l jor foot injuries and lIDO could not ialk D t all and they were carried on the truck

Q How many were put into hand carts four it laS not alrays the SulC

A SOflletimcs it HS hm a day sometimes

Q Were thon any ofiicicl l1~l ts on th0 ii1lrch A Y8S 18 lYcd t---rico a break n

during the l~rch c~bout ~ o I cloc~( 1300 hours imiddot10 hld on- hour s rest and I

about 1600 hOlU tc md encthor h lf an hours bree-lle

Q We re those lID 1 tSlrr~ngod haphlzardly or cl t SOll particul~r p()ints in the march A It IWS like this tht I Tent ahead on my bicycle 1nd I selected for rcioi t theso places Ihere they could finel drinking ILl tcr

Q Doe] the rOctd froIl Os tcrode to Scoson to Srclzgei tt8r go diroctly over the

Q

H1 rtz i iount~ins or eiDes it skirt th Ihrtz nountlins A It middotIilS not flctua lly cross the iilountlinsj i t r~J Doro or loss alongside the mountains

Ylhcn you loro a tGro3shGlcn how rar ns the on ttle oyrly t e ll you exactly but during the ni2ht VIO oLDYs hoord the or tlnk unjts I do not lcnOlI cxnctlymiddotrha t it JDS

A I could not firing of the Guns

Q HDJl t llS your rnnk -11on you middotlOre pound t Gros3holon A Hwptschactuhrcr

CLF) IN FL8LDEN Coule1 you tcJnsllitc tlvt into a1 cquivillont rank in the British nny

Tl-lli HTTl]PErER Scrjcllnt-uojor

CAFTAn FIELDEN (Tb th( fitness) lhcn you CmiddottLlO to Bulsen did you So to Bclsen s t~~ tion A Wc Jass cd by the G tot tion

Q Did the trnnsport ILtl t thoro No

Q Ylhrcn you soy you reported to Hoc8s1er rcbout the Vhlffon S S shootings who brought tho Delttcr up f icst you or J~() c sslcr A 1

Q middot7hib t this Delrch too( Jll c (lid you ]cnon -rho t the 8CH(rQl u ilitDry si tu1 tiun vIQS A I could no t got CXflCt i nfoITJLt tion D-bout it

Q Did you ~ct iny inforrL~tion c~bout it A Yes of course I got sone ip~onJL tion Fr ins tlncG they to let DC thD t the front Yf3S cbout 30 40 or 50 ltilolc trcs ~Jry pound1011 th rOCtd Ihcrc Yle YIGre

TilE JUrcmiddotE DVOCiJE 1fhcn you left were you furl1isheltl i th J nOL1iYlt~l roll gi vins tho WJncs of the ncople in your convoy A No

Q You middotirc middotmiddoti~ rki j 1C lcrely on nlU1bGrs iJ tInt right iOiicut ie left Klein BodunGcn 110 h(ul only h1 d nunbors

A Yes

Q ~nd hcn the five Den l1isppcc red y uu middotr) uJd no t ImOYI hieh five hnd onej is tht ri2h t A In this csc I could knoJ it be eJus0 i t JLS the l Cqcr-Jt ~3tc r tmiddotmiddotro or three lmpos Jnd onc clork They yre cc all GCDXtnS Gncl I knlt tho pc rsortllly

Q Could yJl tell hich Llcn rod -bcen she by the S S field force coulQ n i

Q You say yuu rGPorto~ this to Hocsslcl~ A Yes

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_ r_J ~ - __ -- gtio _ 0 ~ l cr sLid in 11is _fficlc-v-i t rr I li ~-~ ~i~~_i C ~)l~i~)(ncrs in t-__ ~_p tmiddot~ t Jcvmiddot~rL)l people in [t tronsport the t l1d 1fllkcc frii DOTa caup Imiddot(i~- ~h()t Theso prisoncrs YiOrC under the CODLon(~ of StufCol cnc~ Dor I _ ~nticnccl thC3C shootings to thcs() Don but lJothJcmied reIl knmrlcdJo of thlt2~l ond I never 111d 0 chance to continuo the converso tion lt

bull ID thll t true or untrue A I rcoDbcr that the prisoner CDLle to Hocsslur und Housslor vruntccl to ~nO -rho 11Du Given the order to fire a t those prisoners and of course I could not kDOY thJl t

Q Do you relclbcr the t iD GivinS 3viccnc8 hc clt IL)c3s1cr L~ic1 I rOlonhcr this llpoundln arriving -i th - h~nsport fro Klcin Bcdun2en ~~ t BeLen He diel not report any sl~oci01 incil~cnt to no - that i ycu - middot1011 I O~ not sUJ)riscd t hlt )-Lessler does not lei~lcLbcr it beC~lUilO o t the tide that I reportee it to hLi he vns too busy to Got fool] Dnd other thins 1 )1 those 15000 prisoners he had

TI-iB PRESIDENT Hwc you any questions to ~~sk on what the Court hs put

CAPTiIIN- FIELDEN No

heurs the hours the lre gain

Court odjourns) Court reass0ublefi) brounht before the Court)

CAPTAIN COlllii~Y Sir I represent the tCcuscd Schroiror No 26 tho accused Dor No -27 the ceuscd Bamprseh lVc 28 lnrl the accused Zoddel No 29

Schreirer i included in b)th choIse 1 ~nd clJilrce 2 the othor thro( of T-W Qceu30d arc only cn chrgo 1 that is tho Belson ch-rge

The evidence in the case of Schcciror is pur81y f iitl-vit cvi(tence 80 f[tr he hlls not beGn recocnised in the Court The ~ffidnvits which havo oeen real by the Prosecutor ogllinst hiL 1ro those or Dinncmt dhich is on pgc 19 iIrd i Exhibit 2) the confession of the ccuso(l Koppcr iihich is on pogc 1-0 nltl is Exhibit 110 nl~ the nffidvit of Kuro-vicki hich is onpllSc 83 nd is Exhibit 52

The chircc 1 which is thc J olscn cl1rEc the only evLLonecJgrtillst hiT is contained in the conf8s c iml )f Koppor ond thc-~t ocs not ~ctully Shy

tlv t he hL arlY pC1rticul13r j~ib in 1 elsen~ but croly tJlltl t oh8 s a hiD thore on three OCC15 ioru it vo not cmUlect hiD ri th the s tarf in -ny WC1f of Bjrscm-Bclson concontItion ccLJmiddotcnd as f~r L~3 th t Gvilcnco is concerned he -liGht justs iell hoV0 Quen ~L lLJi tor

HJ it not boen for tho f[~c t trkl t h is 1)130 on the uscJyvi tz chargo lt111 thrcircmiddot 11t3 to provo his C~S0 I iluuld lnvc npplicc tu the Court to bvo hil (lisiis3ocl frCD the Belzon ch-Ugo oltoccthe r but us his CC-GC middottill invc lvo ex-Jl~iniF~~ cvorythin3 Iihioh Ill) hs done since 1941 it is necossory thereiore fer - to 3homiddotr in nho t ry h) hCjponcct t n COdO tu 13clscn hoy ho GClle to 5elsen t 11

He is [Iso e re the uschVli tz cl1u~~e [~nJ the evidence a 3lins t hiLl there if that 8 t SOLlctin c ~)otiic()n the utuun of 1942 a no the S)rinl or c~rly SU- li cr ef 1943 he met wrious p_) i tiol1s there c co ruin to lCucovlicld he lTC13 the blockfuhrer of block 23 s11c1 occlrdin(3 to Kopp8r he YI13 in dlUi O of the s trlf fkoJr1nuo

The if 2ida vi t of DiDii0nt lcrely rocoYliscs hi s h vinr beon ~ t Auschvritz mcl i 3 of nu inltlependont vDlue nt all

YTi t11 your perLlission I ull nlt)~1l cLlll tho (1ccu3cc1 Scl1rixmiddote r t o e ivo his ovidcllce

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l~E ltCCUS2D HEI lCilCH SCfillEl RER tclcos his stlncl middott the tlccc froD lthich the other 1itncsses blVC

8ivcn their ovitloncc und roving beon duly Sirorn

is 0xDJinccl by ClIPT~Ilr CORBJULY D S follows

Q Wha t is your full YkU1C A Hcinrich Schreircr

Q Vfuorc In l rhon were you born iolirccM Vocl~ in Hurnniu

Q irs you ~-pound1rricrl or 3 insle

Q i~hGn dieL you CODe to GcnlDny

J~ Born on too 11th Junrj 1923 in

I SinGle

A Yes

J Junc 1941

Q Will you cxpllin tu the Cuurt hOT th 1 t hppenccl pC-tront I middotrs in l trlnsi t COD1) in Krons trdt and then to [c ther -i7i th thCl to Gon~Jny In GCIT l ny I rent to l nc1 I s tryecl tocethor with L1y [lather

~ lojdhel~ ii th I iY 1 tor on I Tent sevoral transit CLdpS

Q You s3icl your p ~rcnts

o11y DY middotiothec Do you lcm b r)th your lXlronts i~ No I Lleln

Q Is YClur f2thur still alive A He is c1eclt1

Q ltovere you onlt1 your Dothor on the sx trmsport lLtcr on

ii No I CilC after her

Q Die you uvcnbx lly join up i th hor A Yes

( Where Yimiddot s thD t A In the trmsi t in Ettlins on in Dcc1C11

Q DiQ you ()vontw_lly settle lLown in 5010 prt of Gea~1Dl1y the Pco-v-incc of BD (LOn in the CDIlp 0 t YTilholnshur -

A I stayed in

Q V[CY( you c311ucl U1 for service in t Lo GOlLDn aIT wcl forces 10th Oct8ber 19~1

~ Yes on thc

Q In rln t brcnch of t h o G-cnDn Qn~8cl 1icrces vrcrc you cclled up ~ LufhrTIfc ~ir forco

Q ~I-rllmiddot-t DJ )ponelL to you t hen A I m1cl tr2inins for t wo dooks 111lt1 then I v~lunto (~rcd for Rod Cross or hospitnl crdcrly duties

Q [h e r wc rc you sttiol10lt1 ~ t the tirlC you received this tra ininG 0 In K_ t oYrlcc in Upper Silos ic

Q sn h U1 lcm J (lid y11 3 tc y thero i~ scp tc 1bor 1942

Q Durin i th~t til1C l id you ever go cm lcGv c

) Linz in Justcio

Q C 3 YOur lothcr li vie in Linz t t h t tirx th~rc in t r l1si t C C-p nulX Sinz

A Ycs imcemiddot

A Ycs ly nother K5

Q )ft~ r Y0 U l 3f t I t oricr yuu s ~~~cy c ltl thoro until the cn rly ~lUtUigt11 )f 191+2 -dj -1Cl middotJ (iQ yuu go vhe~ i To I~ill~~11i~-

Q ~~ this tiur wh t ~_mit of the Luft -i JEfc we r o yuu servin iD unit IlL 40

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_ ~ ~t Uluts )rtout sone DoveDcnts of troops

L Dirl they ID vc i1UCh work to C_ogtihilc they were in Rurnnio A Y cs I had C lot of V10rk tO~0thor with W Signnls BClttolion rtnd yhcn I had tinc I still continued to uo QutioG [S Q Red Cross 0 rderly

Q HoY lone did yvu s tcy in ~uxtnio A FcbruarJ 1944

Q -113S your BFl ttolion s to tionod in RucUllL JlU1 ing ~-ll th[~ t tine and were you wi th thel l1_urinE lt11 th~ t timiddotle i i Yos

Q fiore you 3 ta tic-nee in ~ny 0110 pbCG Dr (Lid you 1ove froD ploco to pJnC0 A He ~~ovec1 frcL ~mc plmiddottcc to mother

Q Were you cll this tine on the 10dicJl taff A Yos

Q Did you serve in emy of the hospitalcin Rurnma A Yos in soveral huspi tills VThcnever uy unit ras in the neighbourhood of [-mether unit for ins tmiddot3l1CG l1CClr on aerodrono or so them I did T-lY u tius I Y[GS cletao1cd fro-l -iy unit and did uuties in L~ hospital as a -loclical orderly

Q NO-l lot us ~10V0 to the tine when you left Rurnnia Whore did you go then A To NOrifay

Q And hO1 lone lic1 you stay there A February 1945

Q Diu you rulVC any 10QVO -rhile you doru there A Yes

Q lmerc Cic you [JP on youC lOQVC is the reason hy I got lewc

A Linz Jly Llothor lips ill [lnd the t

Q l ihon il1tS thJ t 11 iI~y 1944

Q You said that you left jJOYaay in FobruDry 1945 Where (liC you 20 them ~ lfors Ulri tz 1Fe (]il~ dutics as inflntry troops bull

~ _ne how lonG l~icl you s tDY there bull 1 middot~pproxir11 tely April 194-5

Q AmI ha t hlppnecl then 1 Them He cetroa tccl about 6 kiloLlotres fron SclYi-rorin and thoro f) l~lid dmm our ~ULiS lm ilere DcUC prisoners

Q Ccn you reDol1bur the c~atq of ttat tho 20th middot ~ril

A I carmot say exactly but about

Q ras it to BritiDh tC(K8 that you surrendered they Jer~ ]U~lCricansG

I shoulcl ra th(l~ think

Q ~rhct hap~xnc(l to you then A ln Allorieun doctor s cnt all the founded Lloro to the interior of tho country cmc1 I [LS L[longst those middothe [fETe scnt to the rcnr

~n1E)re (~icl yuu 20 FroD 011e cup to thc uthc pntl finLlly f t Cellc

Q Hc) lon~ did this juurney t~tko li Five ~)r six dDys

vere there my British or Jlcricnn gurds with thc colUins of OUJllleu n No V-Te had ne SlVLrcifJ [0 ~ot Q P ( 3S frcn onc ctr1p to the )thor nel in Cello British 301dier took the lOW1(ocl and brought thO l int 0 the hospital

Q Who was the coctor ui th your unit ihen you surrenc10rcu A S tabarzt Dr VO3t

2 Wncn you rOfJchcc ColIc vhat haFc)cncd to you il I iilt1ntccl to s tr--Y with those i1t)Unl~0cl 1)ut I yrnJ tol~l in the hospi tl th~t t there is no l(XL fltc lO

I -~ycnt to tI1G B1i tis11 11 J~jpi t(Ll i11 ColIc ~tnd ilf )tcr tvro (~ys I VfrlfJ sent il Jl

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rh~~t h-)pcnccL hOIl you Jrrivecl nt l30rgcu A I iDS sent to block No 29 that WlS the C ~~3 block fm(~ I stortoll ltloine cluty thcrr~

Q Wure you G(nt there ciroctly y( ~U crivecl ct Bargen A No Whon wo crrivcr~ it i) Cj cvcnin~ I stryocL cvcrni)1t in so-10 tlocl I (l a not know 1111jch onc it vruJ but on the SC ~(rc chy I W2S sent t Block 29

A Ex-intcrnxs froD tho

2 D) you regtf~ lb (r the rr)~le ~f any lf the ( octors in block 29 ~ Yes Dr Doutsch

middot2 F ur hOYf loWmiddot lthel you nork there A Three Y-lOcks

6 You ny Jchn t F U iC~(J capturo(~ LdJout tho 20th ~pril He lons ClitOl your o-lturo Tas it lhon ycu crri vocl in Bergen A Seven or ci[)1t Gays I carmot rCL1GLl()Cr cx~ctly

Q Whct h~)p(nccl fter you lnJ IJeon 7()rlcin~_ for thrce Nooks - Them CClG tmiddotdm Fox CJ Le middotni ns I believe KuroJicki h0~ stntoQ tha t I h~H bcon n SS Ll8rl

ClIlcl then I KS ~)rres to

1 You JcntionuJ thi middotll Kuro-Jicki )hon C iL~ you so hiD A I 110 vc seen hin in thc )cison in Dcron I knCYi his DlGC only mY YJ11(gt11 I [1S rLCcuscc1 ihcn I received th~middot indictlcnt

middotl -t1~t hD~)l)ClCltl ~~ftcr C~1I)t~Lin Fox ~~rrcste(l YOfJ ii I 1(15 SC11t to the Jolicc cison ~ t D(rGcn~n ov-cry (LW I Ji h t S1y on every hour ox-intornecs Vi0rc cmfrontc(l llr triemiddotl to icntify lC

Dil [my of thc iontiiy yuu in t [ 2rison l Y cs Kurovricld Lluntijorl middotCC gtlnc1 then GeCtrucl Didmt sic t ilo t I llc been Jn SS iln in AUJCllditz 111on hc s t ~t(ltl th t she h[~l~ 2 go lit irl fricnLl with VI[lOLl sho 11id middotbCC~l tu middot_ theL rt- 110 lsJ LOUEht intc f c(lllJut sho of course clmld not L1Cltify -l) ~ C21USC I h -vc novel J ccm at ilusclwri tz

T cL nut ~oin tu t ~ce you throuJ~ the specific cdficltl vi tc ihich h lvO been u~n sct3 to middot2middotcir t y nJ 1h0 firu t me i Gortrll c1 DicDont (Pit(~C 19) Sf S1YJ th-t ymiddotjU rcre en SS ~ et ~u3chvJitz n(lmiddotth-~t she S[7 rm D11ulor ef tirCgt

middotrllilc she middot ij~ ~ ~uschYTit~ H1at do yeu 89y to that Amiddot It dWt 10 _ ~_Dst k I hiv( ncvc been nt middotlu3cl-)livitz ArXlrt froll thlt t she odds in hee f firr vH tlmt she cannut say cmythin dotrhontal Cllwut _10 but she hl(l he~rll ~ll l scts of thin[s Qbout x cruelty

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1hon I i~ C()lfliltcd yri ih her A TInt ins

The next onc is K ) p 0r 111([ it is n ~ace 48 rhe ~)rismer Koppcr says tl-wt you middotiCc t i1USCJ l i tz in thu vmiddotrlntur ~i 194243 middotn~ that you -rorc in c-lf l0C of the s trJffkoiumiddotmiddotmlo i3 the t trlC

l~ Ne no tiE t is middotn inventioll t h 8 whole thins is Jl1 invention

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froD tho othor )risonors sho ccn ot oven read lusic cnd has no idoo cbout it

In his cffidvi t on xe 83 Kurorricki s~y s t tc t you were blockfuhrcr of No 22 310ck L1 LU2CtVri tz fro obSlUt EovenbcrJ 1942J until the Diddle of 1943 Is t hct trtlO L N0 1 thDt if not true Kurmicki scys clso thlt I hltVo I)(en forIcin in Block 32 in Berron 1- hcve never beon in Block 32 I hClve been rorkinr jn Dlock 29

TEE JUID-E Jlj)VOCATE Is he c~ettinr nixGd Un

THE PRESIDEiT He fJnys Kuroiricki s~middotys ho Norked in Block 32 I C[l~l)t find tht

Ci~T COlfBhLLY It is on the noxt ~middotre

THE PRI3 IIllilJ 1~lock 32

Ci-Pl COPBiLI Y Glock 22 1[[gtS in Luschwi tz Block 32 which he is referrinr to is in c rt of the Glyn HU-rhos h osit81 ct Dcls0i1 It i s on the noxt l)-~~c

THE PPESIDENT HI sOYs 1-e wcs in t he bleck nd sai hiIl throuch the windovf

ChPT CORBi-LLY (To the yJi tnoS e) whot V[I)S it usod for J~ It

ID you know whct Block 32 in Belscn Wcsshy~ 0 C R S block hos-pHrl block

Lnd the CClnc Ds Block 29 (3 b ut it i[gtS c Clui te inde~ndent C R S

rj Hrle yOl( oYer hCu c~nythinr tJ do i th the interneos i n the Gmcontrction C7T) 1 No nover rport fc0 ~ 3o Xcn irhcrc I did 1cmccl orderly dutios for ex internees

( In tir-t tl-l( U11iloI_~ lThich yOtl j(O v-ro[rin - ut the tiLlC you V~f01Oc 2rrv3tecl

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n You DC- i1 you ct th)GO trouCCl~8 fr~J O~lC 8f the vromded loir is fro the iQund0u

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ClT CORBjLLY You ill l1J tico sir froD the c1c0sitin on middot~middotC 85 thrt KUr-)lficki [ys 11e i[OS s li htly lGlock-knoou )ut I do not rvquirc this to identify rin I know gtis fClcC yury 1((11 11

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convclli(~1t juncture for the Court to faIT1 their ovrn o~)inion on tht becuse it is sonethin Cbut vrlich I ri11 vrlsh to rldw so~o cOcnt in YmiddotW fi n~l spficch so POr ~Ci)S thin vd tncs -O [y he Nclked 0011 the Court and you C[n forJ ymr ()m J~)jnin os t() 1ilhotiL r flO is slihtly klnck-knood C)r not

THE PRESIDENT I do not t hilik i i r~ clly lCkcs poundIJY difference fro the oint of view of the Court Just scuint r f~h)rt wr-lk bocCusc he cn folkmiddot how

he likes He C[J1 vrolllt not knock-neod if ho is knock-kneed or vice verso

CliPT CORBLLLY I hnve not Clctunlly considcr0c1 (~ctti~ c Jodicnl Vii tness to C()-lO hcrc on his bohalf )()COUSl the )erson 1110 seid th[t W[lS not trCinod in xClicinc it is just C 2encn1 inprc s sion

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THE PRESIDENT You ccn [sk hi1l -if he is knock-need

CiPr CORlllllY Of c~urse tho )oint is thnt thow~h Kurowicki lcy not os he soys require this sli~~ht cdcli tind poculinri ty of beine knock-need to ido rrtify hil it is not of mry poi tive v~ue but l1odivcly to prove ho is not it is of SODO voluc

THE PRESIDENT If you sk c -~l1 b walk just c xexl icrds if ho is IG1ock1(l1oed ho c[n ~vrrJys wclk th)sc flmiddot~r yrrilil nt k11Gck-mood 111 ri -(lat brinr~ hin Govm

(Tho eccused Ylc~kcfi before the Cuurt)

CLPl COt3LIY Thlt concludes ny ex~linotion

EmiddotJCt 1lUNRO I hEYe m quostions nu nei thor hos Major Wino)d

i~JJR CRJlFIELD No oUO sti 011S

Cl]l ROBLTdS No quostiJns

cPl FIELDEN No lucsti ms

CtJT PIITLLIPS No qucstions

LT BOYD liio quostions

CLPT middotililffiO No questions

L T J]DRZEJOyenTICZ No (luestions

Cross-OXCullOU by COL BLCK1-rOUSE --------- _ _~ ___ -- ----- --1 You arc 0 RttnMiill LLro yQu L I hrvc Gc 1Cn ndi mcli ty bull

Arc you o noturelisod G-crr[n 1 Yos Ulturfl middotmiddot soct Gor-in_I1 in 1941 ry nother bocxle Gcr-middotlltn of Ge~cn n[~tLmlli ty nl I bOCo0 consequently elso Gc~on nctill1lli ty

J Y0l 81Y you h[ve never been in tle SS [t cl1 1 TIro

( ~_ncl tho reason y m hcppcneu to bo voQrin~ those trousers is bccluso you took then fror1 I wounded nn L yes

n Would y)u like to oxlpoundin to the Court hv you CO-10 to hcvo YGur photomiddotreph t2ken in S S unifoIT1 L VlTrut photorraph

The photo(~rah vi-lich vrcs t [kon f you tho onc vrhich you hred vri th you when you woro crrcstcd j I wcs tith ~ fioncce Md t oOJrEda of i il1c [11 S S 1[n 01100 Jrnson fro Linz oncl vmiddotra Vlrc tor~cthcr cnc1 wc hocl too middotl[ny EJ1C middot30 we exchrnSed unifolS 11Cmiddot thlt is hoVl I r~ot this )hotorra)h

J It 08 torribJy bod luck ~Cs n0t it thct mon you F ore [rrostcu by socbocy ft Delsen cs boin[~ en G S r1in when thay looked in your l)ockcts they founc c hoto[~rD~)h of yQU in SS unifoI1 A Yes you ccn cLLll it bnd luck but if I Nould hfve been M S S 1D11 cnd if I vTOuld 1110 bahved in such [L Vfey I ccrtdnly would ~lOt have kcpt thct middot)hotor~r-oh shJvinr lC in S S~ uniforn

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Yes I hcvu 1c~rcmiddot t gt_t thcTO i f-gt llQVCr h Jrc 1~(1ut -~ s c ~lC~ 11)(]rs ~)r

r c )11cc1tr~ti ~ c ry-- ~1(~ f t - t r~ middot S

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r8t ~ ~noir I h ( -TC l1CV(1~ ~J LC l1 ir I 21( tllmiddot t 1J 2middot c 1r itz -~ c oClQmiddotU

[c -)lo ill Kc t()YJico lt-1C_ tho 3 ) lcic lr t ilc 1e 21C1middotr

Th~ t t-( ~ 0 [ CJrlCC1t l ~ti~) 1 C C2- V(xr 1 ~)t~y

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_ _ t L-t it iCS Y O)l )11 1jJifor Jv ~ t ym h~i~ your ~)llDto rc_~h tr ~( 01 i ] _rmiddot t e ~l t lCi11 l

l ~ middot r ~ -c e middotgtj_ ~ ll-_l1~ Juc~ Y J~ l_ t i t i ttc c ~~[~ 110t ilt The ( l- 1 ~l

iC~~ lujlt in f ~~il - y 1 - r~ jut _S 3 l iT _D I 2l jlC I td ~l1( t l middotmiddott if t iJ ~1I~ ) 1c _( middotmiddotf t ~ middoto 8 c Jli~~t Y_li ~middot tl~l cn it lCgt~--) lJ t middot tter ~r ~ry t11t--L if tlKY czci- -c l ~ ii r- ~ i l ill middot-J-ImiddotY~ fi t

~7~y m (~ Itj-~(_ you - ~ middot t t c middotV( 1 l)tr) r-__ ~11 Jf ymiddotu~ lf in the uli l0I~ ~)E J -0 ( t lc1 1Cmiddot-f t ile s e --vice ~ I ~i (~ 118 t -1middot[1t t rl kcc t [K~t )hto _t 11 i)ut tt lis -ir l en trlC middotot) ~-Umiddot y fi~ncc( U1~ - 1middot(1 [vCl ~dllcrl

ill -11 ~_ir-rii( r n~~ t It t ij ~lC m Jy r- )l y I Jc1c tmiddotc lJ1ot

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- j 1~ t il1t) -ri ti~1~ hL~1lS if Y8U lrC cpoundl)turcC by t I le middot~cricr 1~

~ jue t c r rricr en U1_ noLoc1y sto-Jcd us

t t rc frriY-y~ucrCin~ y~u lc Nobocy Wc h[_(~ cc roc~ cr)8S fL - in front ~f ~)ur l ~~ rry 2nd Vie sir1ply crovc up

ni not8lt1y cv or stoj))od you You [i(re ollovvocl to wcndcr rounu fio s t lJohil1l tb middotc ~oric l1 linos cncJ then behinl the Dri tish line vi t h0ut u-n ~s t hmiddot t ri ht H ITob oGy stoLTcc us On tho r Xcs n ilitr-ry )01icc sh- poel U~ but I elo l1Jt knJW NhGthcr they were Dri ti s( or L~~crie rll

7hero r i e y JU U~i lor y1U Gormiddotin (~rivcr

d rJUr etrol irOl Did the nili ttrJ ~~Jlicc fill t he cc-r lf7s WhOl1 yre strycl ovoJniht then thc ~ li (c t t u

i tlllt v0hicloJ srrto it that tho tcnks Yorlt lille -

ine I Sq~() 30 th( _middotcrio0ns filled it u until you [~ot intcJ tlw ~ri middotti [h

line ~ t~l ~ YrhC~l Y)ll ot i ntJ the Dti tish lines thon tho Dri-c idl fillu~ it Umiddotmiddot)

for y)u L I 10 n t kn )vr ho it h2))onoc but the criver dmiddotmiddot-CJrs ~ ~_l OC t o 1r-vo S ) 10 ctrol middotnt curinr the c2Y middotre clvmys c1rovo Jff r _yenl ltt ni ht middotimiddot0 cither -t [ycd in cc C~ll) or in tho 0cn as it rCs ni middotht ~nd wc ifcro n lt [Lllorc( t) ro occe bull

Let cc 8U cst t hi J to you trrt your Yvholo story er t h i p c r ~middottur) 31

~ivinr r- r )ulld ccnd rettiw ~~etr~)l fror the Dritish 211( J~middot1CriCfj1E oin- irJmiddot )no Of t(J th0 8ther vii thout r fUrd lt1nd i thout 2nyl oc1f llokin cftcr y~u i c_ cc1lotc tissue of lies fro-1 stccri to ij nish l bull lJ it is not r lio it is true

iVllmiddotmiddotmiddott ] s umiddot oc t to y u i th~t y()U wero colled U like t hct l1cr volkGr(utc jj nd ycu i~rc not _llow - to r o into the ~[Chrl8cht CJl l1 hmiddot(I t o (J into the S S l Th~ 2irst thinr is I 21 not volksdoutsch but c io -collccl settlor S) c)icJy rh) is cLnt frJrJ)l1O country to the middot t her middotmiddot nC I hcv nOV0r ~)COl1 L1 the 3 ) l)ut in the 1chr-l0cht

_ne I s Ur C ot t s YU j tlmiddotcet you ioro in f cct cl~)loycc ct u Dc hfi tz -Jbrc y m middot e re ~ ~~ l )ckfuhrec in r lock 22 lce Th~t is not tnle

lC tb[t just 8 the )thcr -00 1( t horo di e YJU rc ul ~rly )cct )o )~ lc Hi th yJur fist ri th y ur rov) lvcr 0utt with c rubJer trunchoon middot) r nythiw 1[ 0 th t ecc to y~ur h 2l1c1 q Thct is l1)t truo

YJu Cmiddotre no V 0 rltJ (l I e now ltro you Y)U rcro bor in 1923 [J1( c~ro 22 l1Dvr Ycu vr)uld JYlly be IS ()r 19 Then ym (]rc e rllce u~)ulc1 not Yc)u _ 13

I cu---cst -G C) ym Irhcl1 f)U middotfont r )unc1 ill y)ur to~) )O) tD -iith YmiddotJllr rcv~lvcT if th ~-rL)r- rs ltli cebull 1) t t kc t heir hCts off to y )u i 1 middot- ~ir~t(ly or _i l_ nit stcne u ihonc1rlt y eu 1orc there y)U bccmiddott tlH re--ulcrly i~ Tllt i iut truo

Th[t 3ti ~ i t z silJute0 ~nc kicker )~ i- L

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YO3 the t i middotJhct h o ys

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Ee oulc h(~rc j- ~ Jl_ to1ty of ~ )) ClrtUTC ty of oui~ thu [) I Jddunrcr lurill(~ the c )urso of t h t ti-G woulcl )( t lee _0 Ls f cr u I hc crl h uco (uril- the trirl hc CUZ~1t tJ 1- VC hc~c( e)1)l -n~ortuni ty of sccin-

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Di[Dont rec0 nisoQ YClU ccsily cnow~ht c~id not she she kn )S Y1o

Dutit ViCr not cnly KurDviicki cncl Dic1cnt becD-use Ko)~~cr roco r nisccl yJU L~id n ot she (The witness i~ives nn cnswcr in Ger1Dnrmiddot

Th t WS n ) t 11 t J -middotskod you

rI-iE HiTw=middot _T2n Koi)cr ~)QyfJ 0180 sho roco-~nisos -lC but sho s y tJKt I cbnJrll 011 I [-rl r~ thcr of the o~)ii1ion toot sho is abnor-l[u

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Vhi t were Y8U C-) in i ()fore you loft RuncniD- rhct werc you cl J iW~ ill IiucniC J bullbull Printer by profession

II[ve y~lU vor hcnrc~ (()-ur plCyinC on instruncnt first t l Ithon I Ycs c mfr0ltocl wi th her

bull re you intcrostod in lusic ltt oll or not I bullbull Yes I D1 intcrcstoQ ill ufjiC 1)ut I cnn8t -rrite n) tcs - Y1Usic

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cnd C[~)t jlt)x ~ nl t he L-tolll rot0r were rcscnt

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ShO s-ys yu G~ Q -J~ 2)O P middotli sh Y )U h lJ l)ccn Gtti)ncl~ in POl~lCl for 8vcr 12 middotmiddotnth bull N) I 1) lD t sLc~middotk P )lil1 1 ll1certrnc ~ fev middotor(s cnu thrt is cll

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o C~n yuu tell tho court ho tsort of hcacldross they wcrc ~nmiddotUi )11 their hepoundlc1s l bull stool heLmiddot~uts middotri th ItP

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~ Did y ou lCLlv c ~ u ~Ll1i~ for Gcr n ny in Junc ~XC 19L~1 _i Ios

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amp i-ould y)U hcvc lilcod to knew toot your son NDS a conoontrati-tt CaL) ruarc1 tl No

~_hE JL1D8-E till OG TE cbiErn

iT as Schrc irot yow only son No I h 2vc sevoral

r Dirl you liko t c h(nl from your sons A To hear whut

rJ I-iO7 thoy -vi rr settill3 on A CertaiJJly oV0ry woman is very happy to hear how hor sons ar( cettine on~

Q liDS I hOi)O like a poundocd son ho Vfrote to you oocasionally is that rizht i ~ Ys he vrcote very often but very many lettors were lost M C whenshyover I got a letter he said nlways tVhy dont you write to 110 -hy don t t you anSYJr Dy lotters and I know that in that c01lntry n nny many lottors c~ro lost

Q You wroto to your son did you l~ I cannot write boc nllDC I Gannot soc but I uskoJ pe olle t o ~rrit( to him

How did YOll lenoiT -there to write t o him A Whonevor he f1otc to me he sent his (lJdross or his military postal number anc~ thCltis vrhut I VTns usiYlL in anSiroring them

Do you happen to I ilee to keep your sons letters or not A No becauso I myself cannot sac Gnd I could not have rOae them 8[~Jin cnd QScin nrr I cJ id not ir Clnt tlGm t hr ov-rn awny so I burned thorn myself

( Cnn you rcnl0miwr nOVi ot all vrhDt Wa~ the sort of officinl vr cy that you h ad those letters addressed so thnt they 7oulr] reach your s on 1- No becauso ii) former times hen I still hDc1 my e yesisht whenever I wrote an nddress I rcmoT1berod it iTis ually but nmi only by honriYc it I forret it p articularly after my illness I 00 not romemb cr vor vrcll

DL y u Qv(r enquire pound rO[1 peolo who roa8 his letters yrhot sort of rank he VTas h() l- inr~ or anythinG of that kind A Tho Inst I hearc1 about it Ins h e Yl os D l oncc-corporal Vhotho L he hnd been p romotor] 12ter 011 I do not knovr lviy last recolloctir n is lanco-corporal

Lastly do you remember A I romemiJer Rumenia Rumania bJCause thnt is

any c our1tries from i i h tc h he wrote ICttOlS to you I 00 not romom) or Dt hor cOillltries but I remcm) cr

n country vrhich I unfortunatoly have left

TJ-ill PRZSIDilllT Have you any quest i ons 8Tisill[ out of that CaItain Corbally

CiltT CORBiLLY No 0luestions

(The VTi t Je s s wi t W r C1Ns )

CAPI CORBfLLY I elso represent the accused Dor nunmer 27

TIIE JUIX-E iJJTOCiTE Hltvc you finirgtheJ all t h u evidence in relation to Schreircr

CJ-~ OOR3ALLY I was calling Cl Dr Vogt arrl [mothor d octor ~ ut in spiJec of all my efforts am the co-opcrat ion DP] help 9ive n mo by t he lOsecutor I ha1To hoon UJlnblO to fily either of those dcetors

TIJE PRESIDENT So that rcnlly finishes the ovic18YlCe you tpoundL) cnlline on behnlf of Schrcircr

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Cm CORBALLY Yos thoro may be some documontnry evidence if I mny put it in at D later staco

THE JUIXE iJJITOCATE You must i)ut it in now yo u know

CaPI CORBiJLY I have not cot it nt the liloDent I also reprosent the accusod Dor number Z1 who is on the 3elsen charce only The court middotwill remember from this morninc the Oase of Stofol which as opened by rrIfJ frimd Captuin Fielden and the case of Dor is almost p recisely tho snme Eo has not boon reeocniseu in eourt by any witness Vlho has come here and the affL1cvits which cifect his csse aro those of Grobmann 27 A exhibit 31 vrhich you halo already looked at this morning in conn0ction vrith Stofel the affidavit of Linz Pil3e 93A ~xhibit 55 hich is D fresh ono entirely concernoJ with Dor oncl also the afridavits numbered 257 and 258 and 259 uxhibit 107

1iiith your l)ormission I will now 0011 t he Clccu8od 7ilhob~ Dor

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THE ACCUGED itILJELlvi rom tokes his stnnd 9t the place from -rhich thc cthr witnesses have [-iven their ovirJeme anJ havirJ8 boen duly sworn is examinoo by CiPrAIN COill3~rLY as follor8_

hat is your f-ull n8lY10 -- 1iT ilhelm Dorr bull

Q There Drd ThOn -rere you born 7 bcr~ in N 3SS au

L On the 9th February 1 921 etOxen-

t jro you ilCnrrioc or sirl[le A I am inurricd

Atly c hildren 1 bull Yes ono bull

-rho n J id you go t marI ied Fobrunry 1 941+

r ~rhat VDS your occUpntion before tLo -[nI Jl Former

( G -middotrh et Yas Y0ur f athor S ocoupation beforemiddot the Har A i- f Imer

Q Did you livo on t hat farm J~ Yes

Q Hovo[ did you come to join the SS j On tho -15th Docomber volunteered for the nrmy but I Could mt get int the army voluntoered for the 7affon SS - t he fichting SS

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~ Yhcrc c i d you go to vhon you 1CrC tacon into the SS the Pioneers

J~ To Dresden in

GOL DJjKHOUSE I Query the translation of that [Il1S1ffer I tJliYl( tho vri tnoss said Engineers

GiJr CORBALLY It is the SDmO IoId in G-oIman

CO~ RcKHOUSE Yes but it hns a liffercnt lnO[lni11[~ in El1[lish o f u ourse

G~middotJfT CORBALLY (To thcvritness) H6middot lo~ did you stay thoro the autwnn 1 9~1 bull

ii Until

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Q Aftor this trainiDG Was oOHflletcd uhoro did you [0 then formed tho actual field unit

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~ hnt h8ppened to y u ~7h~ro did you 00 ~ I bec alile ill vfi th rhoumatism anu ront to hospital

Q Eventually you left Dresden vofhnt hnpponeeJ to you tben il I Hont to Ornnionbur- bull

Q Did you say that vr os in the 3uturm of 1 941 h yos

Q HCM lon[~ did yOJ stay at Ornnionburg i_ Until January 19lyenJ bull

Q TheYl yrhnt ha~DCned in Jnnuary 1944 A T11cn I vOnt to lIittclbc11

( Did you oV0ntuolly oome to tb( C J1P at KloinBodUl1[en In S c~)tem~ t r 1 4

2 7hat sort of 0 ~iob uid you hnvu 1Ct Kloin-Bochmsenmiddot assistant of lu)UJtschnrfuhrer stofol

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CJ Yihat Vias your job in the camp nt Klein-BoduCl[on 0 stnrtol in tho morning with e roll call then ti c workors left the cor[~L) orr3 font to Mittclbau ilito) thoy came lacL 0 hoc1 another roll c211 It v-ros thc s ano pr) ir amJllC cv r ya ay bull

~ Did ~ -ou stoy at Kloin-Bodungcn ultil the oamp wus ovacuato i Yos

~ DL you paroh all the prisoners OD the )110roh nUL Klcin-BouUD[on i Yos

(Tho aocused WilheLl Dor lCElvQS the plaoe from hioh he has [~bTOn Lis eViConce)

(lt 1708 hours the U)urt LI~urns until 0930 h 01XCS to-Llorrovr morning Wednesday 24th Ootober 1945)

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