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Katie:Helloandwelcometo,"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.Andthisinterviewisgoingtobesoimportant,especiallyifyouareaparent,becausewe'retalkingallaboutEMFs,howtheyaffectourbody,andespeciallyhowthey'reaffectingourchildren.AndIamherewithDr.Amy,whoisaphysicianwithover30yearsofpractice.Shehasseen,firsthand,veryconcerningchangesinthehealthofthegeneralpopulationinthespanofhercareer.Andwe'regoingtotalkaboutalotoftheproblemsthatdidn'tusetoexist,thatarenowproblemsinchildren,andwhyshedoesn'tacceptthatthecommonexplanationsofjustdietanddiagnosticcriteriaarewhat'smakingthedifference.Andoverthepastdecade,she'sdoneextensiveresearchonEMFs,andisincreasinglyconvincedthatEMFsareplayingaverysignificantcontributoryeffectinthediseasesofcivilizationastheycallthem.SoDr.Amy,welcome,andthanksforbeinghere.Amy:It'ssonicetobeherewithyouhere,Katie.I'mexcitedtotalk.Katie:Metoo.Iknowthisisatopicthatwe'rebothverypassionateabout.AndIknowthatit'salsoatopicthatcanbeverycontroversial,andonethattendstogetdismissedquiteabit,eveninthehealthworld.SoIcan'twaittogodeeponthis.Tostartoff,Iwanttomakesureweclearlydefineourtermssothateverybodylisteningknowswhatwe'retalkingaboutwhenwesaythingslikeEMFs.Socanyoukindofjustwalkus


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throughthebasicsofwhatEMFactuallyisandwhatthedifferentsourcesare?Amy:Oh,sure,absolutely.There'salotofconfusion,andpartoftheconfusionisthattherearemultipletermsthatbasicallyapplytothesamething.ButI'mjustgoingtocallitEMF,whichmeanselectromagneticfields,somepeoplesay,"Forces."Andbasically,whatEMFsare,withtheexceptionofsunlight,whichisvisible,itisalloftheinvisibleforcesthatwe'reexposedtointhisworld.TheycanbemagneticforcesasintheNorthPoleormagneticforcesthatcomefromappliancesanditems,electricalfields.Theycanbewirelessforcesthatcomefromcellphoneantennasorcellphonetowers.Sothat'sbasicallyit.It'selectromagneticfields.Katie:Andso,likeyousaid,thesecancomefromthesun,whicharenaturalsources,butalsofromman-madetechnologywhichwillbeeverything.Yeah,likeyousaid,fromcellphonestoWiFi,toallthedifferentspectrumsthatwereexposedtothesedays.Isthereadifferenceinhowthosedifferentonesaffectthebody?Amy:That'sareallygoodquestion.Allofthescienceispointingtonon-ionizingradiation,whichistheselowerlevelformsthatcomefromwiredandwirelesstechnologies.Thisdoesn'tincludecosmicradiationornuclearradiation,thosearecalledionizing.We'veknownformany,manyyearsthatthosearedamagingandthey'redamagingquicklyandimmediately.Butthenon-ionizingradiation,andthat'swhat'sreallyupfordebatehere,it'sthewiredandwirelesssources.Allofthescienceisprettymuchindicatingthattheyallaffectusinthesamephysiologicmanner,andtheyallprobablycauseaboutthesamedegreeofdamage,anddamageourselvesinprettymuchthesameway.Soitdoesn'treallymatterifit'samagneticfield,oranelectricfield,orawirelessfieldwhicharesometimescalledradiofrequencyfields,theyallcanimpactourphysiologyKatie:Thatmakessense.Andsothatcouldbe,Iwouldguess,likeinagoodway,forinstance,fromthesun,thathasallthedifferentspectrumsoflightandinfraredandthingsthatourbodyactuallyneeds,comparedtolikeman-madeformswhichcanbemuchmoreharmful,becausethey'renotthenaturalspectrumsthatourbodyisusedto.AmIunderstandingcorrectly?Amy:That'sabsolutelyright.Sowhenyoulookatthespectrumofwhat'scalledtheelectromagneticspectrum,downontheverylowfrequency,andyouwouldhavetheSchumannresonanceoftheearth.Andthenaboutmidwayup,youwouldhavesunlight.Andthenupinthehigh-frequencyspectrum,youwouldhavecosmicradiation.Andupuntilabout130yearsago,that'salltherewas.Andthat's,youknow,fromtimeimmemorial,that'swhatmankindwasexposedto.Butoverthepast130years,youknow,withtheadventofelectricity,andnowoverthepast30yearswiththeincrediblegrowthinwirelesstechnologies,wehavealargepartofthespectrumthatwehistoricallywerenotexposedto.Andthatis...it'snotionizingradiation,it'snotimmediatelydangerouslikeIwasreferringtobefore,butthescienceisstrongly,stronglyindicatingthatitisdamagingourselvesovertimeandthatit'salladditive.Katie:Solet'sgodeeperonthatbecausethatisthebiggest...WhenI'vewrittenaboutEMFsinanygeneralwayinthepast,Iknowit'sacontroversialtopiclikeIsaid,butthatisthemostcommonpush-backthatIgetfromboththemedicalcommunityandthescientificcommunity,isthatit's"non-ionizingradiation."Therefore,it'scompletelysafe,it'snotX-ray,orgamma,oranyoftheonesweknowtobedangerous.


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Andso,theysayit'scompletelysafe,andthere'snoevidenceofharm.Andmygut...Idon'thavethemedicalbackgroundthatyouhave,butmygutis,ourbodiesareelectricorganismsinandofthemselves.Ourcellsareindividuallyelectricorganisms,ourheartisanelectricorganism,itdoesn'tmakesensetomethatitwouldhavenoimpact.SoI'mcurious,fromyourmedicalbackground,whatyouseeis,like,themechanismofwhat'shappeningoverthelongterm.Because,likeyousaid,we'reprettynewinthisfield.Wedon'thavealongamountofdatatoreallystudythis.Thelastfewdecades,it'sreallytakenoff.Andso,I'mreallycuriousinyourclinicalexperienceandyourmedicalbackground,whatyou'reseeing?Amy:Sure.Yeah,itdoesn'tmakemuchsensethatsomethinghastoburnyoutohurtyou,doesit?Imean,that'sbasicallywhationizingradiationdoes.Itcausesthermalinjury,andthenitbreaksmolecularbonds,breaksDNA,itcausesmutation,itdoesitquickly.Whatwe'resayingthenon-ionizingdoisthatitdoesthosesamethingsbutoveraverylongperiodoftime.In2013,MartinPaul,he'saresearcheratWashingtonStateUniversity,really,probablydiscoveredtheprimarymechanismofinjury.AndwhathefoundisthatEMFdisruptstheamountofcalciumthat'sinsideofourcells.Everysinglecellinyourbodyhaswhatarecalled"voltage-gatedcalciumchannels,"thesereallyexquisitelysensitivelittlechannelsthatcontrolhowmuchcalciumisallowedtoenteracell.AndwhenheexposedcellstoEMF,thesewere,youknow,testtubesortofstudies,thoselittlegateswereperturbedandtheyabnormallyopened,andtherewasanabnormalinfluxofcalciumintothecell.Andcalciumhastobeverypreciselycontrolledinacell.Whenthereisanabnormalamountinsideversusoutside,ithasalotofeffects.Acoupleofthebigeffectswereincreasingreactiveoxygenspecies.Ithinkmostofyourlistenerswouldhaveheardaboutthatandaboutoxidationbeinganegativething.Thereareanalogouscompoundscalledreactivenitrogenspecies,andtheyprettymuchdothesamethingintermsofdamagingacell.Thatworkhasbeenreplicatedaswell,andit'shelduptoscrutiny.Andthatisconsideredtobeprobablytheprimarymechanismasweunderstanditnow.Andthen,youhavesomesecondaryandtertiarythingsthathappened,we'renottotallysureofthelinkage,butdownstreamwehavebreaksinDNA.AndDNAisourgeneticblueprint,itneedstobeexact.Wecan'thavebreaks,wecan'thavethecodegettingdisrupted.Forameaningfulfunctionofacell,thatDNAneedstobeexact,oryoustarttohavecancerriskorjustmetabolicdisturbancesovertime.Andthisisprobablyanareawherechildrenaremoresusceptiblebecausethey'regrowing,theirDNAisalwaysbeingreplicatedand...what'scalledtranscripted,orit'sbeingusedasablueprintforcellularfunction.ChildrenarealsoprobablymoreacceptableheretothisDNAdamagebecausethey'regoingtolivelongerandthey'regonna...youknow,DNAit'sgoingtohavetoworklonger,andlongerandit'sgoingtoaccruemoreandmoreinjuryovertime.Sothatwasoneofthedownstreameffects.Severaloftheotherdownstreameffectsfromthecalcium-gatedchannelsare,cellularculturesareknowntoproducewhatare,inresponsetoEMFexposure,areknowntoproducewhat'scalled"heatshockproteins,"whicharenowbasicallyjustcalledstressproteins.Sothatshowsyouthatthosecellsareunderduress.Andanotherthingthathappensdownstreamisdisruptionofwhat'scalledtheblood-brainbarrier.Forabraintohaveproperfunction,thebrainmaintainsitsownveryisolatedenvironment.Itdoesn'tlikethingsgettinginoroutveryeasily.Andit'sbeenshown,withratstudiesbasically,thatEMFcausessomedisruptionofthisbarrier.Sothosearesomeofsortofthebasicchangesthatwe'veseen.Andthosechanges,wedon'treallyknowhow


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theyalltranslateintoorganproblems,butalotofthestudiesindicateproblemsinorgans,reallyacrosstheboard,fromneurodegenerativeproblems,like,Alzheimer'sandALS,toautism,ADHDandlearningproblems,fromcardiacarrhythmia,glucosecontrol,anddiabetes.Ithinkit'snotsurprisingfromaphysiologicstandpointthatmultiplesystemsareaffectedwhenyouconsiderthattheprimaryknownmechanismforEMFinjuryisthevoltage-gatedcalciumchannel,whichexistsineverycellinyourbody.And,likeyousaid,Katie,weareelectricand,youknow,someorgansaremoreelectricthanothers,andbrainandheartwouldbeatthetopofthatlist.Andifyounoticedonmylistoforgansystemsthatcanbeaffected,alotofthosewereneurologic.Andtherewasalso,youknow,thecardiacarrhythmianotedthere.SothisiskindofanoverviewoftheimpactofEMFs.OneareathatIdidn'tbringupwasmelatoninsuppression,andIthinkthisisreally,reallykey.Melatonin,ofcourse,isahormonesecretedbyyourbrain,whichissecretedatnighttimeandhelpsyougetintothatdeep,really,reallyrestfulsleep.Iwouldsaythattherearemanygoodstudiesonmelatoninsuppression.Bytheyear2000,Ireadrecently,thattherewere15greatstudies.That'swhatMartinPaul,inhisexcellentbook,states.AndIthinkthatifyoudon'twanttoacceptthatEMFmaybecausinginjuryinthesevastareas,youknow,cancerandAlzheimer'sandinfertilityetc.,ifyoujustbelievenothingelse,butthatitmaydisruptsleep,thenIthinkthat'sincrediblycompelling.Becauseweallknowthatoncesleepiscompromised,that,youknow,eventuallyyou'rejustnotwell.Sothat'skindofareallybigoverviewofprimaryandsecondarymechanismsandorgansystemsthatcanbecomeaffected.And,inmycareerasapediatrician,Ihaveseenchanges,especiallyIwouldsayinthelastfiveyears,thatreallyourconventionalthoughthasnoexplanationfor.Oneofthebigonesistheemergenceofinsulinresistanceintype2diabetes.WhenIwasinmyresidency,whichwasinthelate'80s,early'90s,weweren'teventaughtabouttype2diabetes,becausethatwas"anadultdisease,"youknow,adiseaseofolder,overweightadults.ButIroutinelyseeinsulinresistanceintype2diabetesinteenagers,andtheremaybesomelinktoEMFhere.Everyonehasalways,youknow,justtriedtotagthisontheAmericandiet,whichisreallypoor,Iagreewiththat.ButglucosecontrolanddiabetesareacoupleofthethingsthatarepotentiallylinkedtoEMF.Andthatwouldbethroughamitochondrialelectrontunneling,sortof,potential,sortof,cause.Weknowthatthemitochondriahavetotunneltheelectronsandthey'rechargedparticleinaverypreciseway.Someofthatgoesawryinthoseconditions,anditmakessensewhenEMFisanelectricmagneticfield,thatitcoulddisruptaverypreciseelectric,youknow,magneticprocessthathappensinyourbody.SothatwasonethingthatI'veseen,thatwehavenoexplanationforandisdifficulttotreat.AndtheotherareasthatIhaveseentremendousproblems,thatIdidn'tseehistorically,wouldbeinautism.Wenowknowthatit'sabout1and50to60childreninthiscountry,which,youknow,isatragedy.Inmyearlydaysinpractice,Iwouldseeperhapsahandfulofautisticchildrenamonthatthemost,andnowit'sadailyoccurrence.And,youknow,I'vespokenwithallofmypartners,andallofusreallydonotbelievetheideathattheexpandeddiagnosticcriteriaarethereasonthatwe'reseeingmoreoftheseaffectedchildren.IwouldalsosayIseemoreattentiondeficitdisorder,learningproblems,andjustplainoldbehaviorproblems.Idon'tknowifthere'saconnectionthere,butitmaybeconnectedtopoorsleep.AndIhearparentstalkingaboutinsomniainchildren,andI'veneverreallyheardthatbefore.Andit'saroutinecomplaintthatIhearintheoffice.SoIdon'tknowifthatansweredyourquestion,butthat'sjustakindofareallybigoverviewofwhereIseethepotentialproblemswithEMF.


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Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthatyou'reright,theresomanylevelsthere.Andeveniftheonlythingitdid,whichweknowit'snot,istoaffectsleep.Like,allthestatsaresostrongonthat.Ifyouwanttotalkaboutresearch,weknow,ifyoudon'tgetenoughsleep,ifyoudon'tgetintoparasympatheticnervoussystem,andifyoudon'thavetherightmelatonin-cortisolrhythm,thenyoucanhavethebloodsugar,forinstance,ofapre-diabeticjustfrommissedsleep.Andyoucanhaveallkindsofmentalstrugglesjustfrommissedsleepalone.Sowe'retalkingabout...Amy:Absolutely.Katie:Yeah,we'retalkingaboutthatcompoundedwithpotentiallyalltheseothermechanismsthatyoujustlistedinthebody.AndIthinkyou'resorightbecauseIdon'thaveamedicalbackground,butIhaveaprettystrongresearchandstatisticsbackground.AndIagreewithyou,I'vebeenlookingatthestats,anditdoesitlineup.Becauseyes,ourdiethaschangeddrasticallyinthelastcoupleofgenerations,andwehavefactorslike,Iwouldsay,theoveruseofplasticisahugefactor,especiallywhenyou'retalkingaboutchildrenandendocrinedisruptingchemicals.Buteventhosetwodon'tcompletelyexplainhowfast.Imean,we'reseeinglikeahockeystickriseonthesestatisticsofalltheseproblemsacrosstheboard,whichisunheardof.Thishasneverhappenedbeforeinhistoryinchildren.Like,it'sexpected,right,thatwhenwestarthittingmiddleage,theseproblemscancropup,butit'skindofunheardoftoseethiskindofariseinourchildren,isn'tit?Amy:Oh,Iabsolutelyagree.AndIagreewithyou,it'salmostcertainlymulti-factorial,whichofcourse,makesitallhardtosortout.IdothinktheAmericandietandthis,youknow,thestandardAmericandietishorribleandcontributory.Ithinkthattoxins,Ithinkglyphosate,plastics,BPA,EMF,it'sprobablyallaperfectstorm,ifyouwill.Yeah,absolutely.AndIthinkthesleepthingisjustcrucial.AndthatjustremindsmeofastudythatIjustfoundsofascinatingandjustsocompellingonthewholemelatoninthatI'dliketodescribeittoyou.AlotofthestudiesonEMFarewhatwecallepidemiologic,meaningthey'relookingatdifferentgroupsofpeopleandtryingtodrawaconclusion.Youknow,kindofanexamplewouldbetheylookat,let'ssay,aforestrangerversusanelectrician.Andtheywouldtrytomaybegomeasuretheirmelatoninlevels,andifEMFweretheproblem,theelectricianwouldhavealowermelatoninlevelthantheforestranger,theoretically,becausehisexposurewouldbealothigher.Butinmyview,alotofthesestudiesareflawedbecausewhiletheycontrolfor...iftheywerelookingatprofession,youknow,theywould,theoretically,becontrollingfor40hoursaweek.Butthatwouldn'tcontrolfortheother,Idon'tknow,120-somethinghoursinaweek.AndIthinkthat'sthereasonwhyalotofthestudiesreallygiveamixedresult.ButIfoundthisonegreatstudy,andwehavehumansinboxesbasically,andweareaccountingfor100%oftheirtime.Itsoundskindofweird,doesn'tit?WehavehumansinthesehighEMFboxes,andthenweputtheminlowEMFboxes.Andactually,thisstudyhappenedintheneonatalICU,becausewehavebabiesinisolettes,whichareveryhighEMF,andwhentherewerewell,theywereputintocribs,whichweredocumentedtobelowEMF,andtheyputthebabiesbackintotheisolettesjusttodoublecheckalloftheirdata.Andthedatawasreallystrong.ThebabiesinthehighEMFenvironmentshadmuchlowermelatoninthantheydidinthecribs.Andtheyalsohadheartratevariabilitysuppressioninthoseisolettes,whichisexactlywhatyouwerejusttalkingabout.It'salackofaparasympatheticstateornotanidealparasympatheticstate.


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Youknow,heartratevariabilityisanindicatorofstress.SoIjustlovethatstudybecausewehavecompletecontroloveroursubjects.Youknow,wedon'thavethem,youknow,we'renotlookingattheircareerandtherestoftheirlife,whoknowswhatthey'redoing.Ithoughtthatwasagreatstudy.Itwasdonein2012byanItalianresearcher.Katie:That'ssuchagoodpointbecause,inadults,likeyousaid,thesepeople,that'sonly40hoursaweekandtheycouldbegoinghomeandsleepingwithaWiFirouterrightnexttotheirhead,andthere'snocontrolforthat.It'ssadthatthatstudythattheywereabletoisolatethatinbabieswhowouldbesodramaticallyaffected.Andforalltheparentslistening,I'dloveifyoucouldexplainmedicallyalittlebitdeeper,youmentionedHRVorheartratevariability,canyoujustkindofgodeeperonwhatthatis?Iknow,we,forinstance,haveaprogramonourcomputerthatIdowhenwestarthomeschoolingeverydaytokindofhelptrainheartratevariabilitycorrectly,butexplainwhatthatisandhowitrelatestoparasympatheticactivity.Amy:Sure.Soeverybodythinks,youknow,whentheyputtheirhandontheirchestortheyfeeltheirpulsethattheirheartisbeatingataveryregularsortofrate.Youknow,thatwouldbeifyouweresittingstill.Yougetupandexercise,obviously,itspeedsupandwhatnot.Butactually,thetimebetweenyourheartbeatscanvarybyalittletinybit.Andwhenyou'reinarelaxedstate,itvariesmoreandmore,soyouhavemorevariability.Andwhenyougetintoastressedstate,itbecomesmuchlessvariable.Youcankindofthinkofitasbeinghammered.It'sjustboom,boom,boom,boom,therebeingdemandsputonit.Soheartratevariabilityisessentiallyameasureofhowrelaxedyouareorhowparasympathetic.Youknow,yournervoussystemhastwobranches.Ithasthesympatheticone,whichisactivewhenyouareunderstress.It'sprobably...it'smoreactiveinthedaytimewhenyouhavetobeoutdoingthingsanddealingwithstresses.Andit'sactuallygoodtohavethat.Ithelpsyoudealwithlifein,youknow,somanydifferentways.Butthatneedstoturnoffintheevening,andyourparasympatheticsystemneedstoactivate,andthenyouareinarelaxedstateforsleepessentially.Or,likeyousaid,withyourchildren,you'retryingtogetthemintoanice,relaxedstate,sothattheycanlearnbetter.It'scertainlywhatweactivatewhenwedomeditation,whenwedoyoga.We'reinsympatheticdrivewhenweexerciseinatypical,youknow,cardioweightlifting,sortof,westernmanner.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthat'ssuchanimportantdistinction.And,likeyousaid,there'resomanyfactorsthatcomeintoplaythere,butunderstandingthatEMForoneofthose,Ifeellike,isveryimportantforparents.AndIwantto,injustaminute,godeeperonhowwecanfindoutifEMFsareaffectingourchildreninourownhomes,andhowtomitigateit,becausethatisanelephantofatopicthatwe'regoingtohavetotackle.Butfirst,somewhatselfishly,Iwouldloveyourtakeonhowthoseofus,includingme,cananswerthecriticswhosay,"Oh,it'snon-ionizingradiation,therefore,it'ssafe,andyou'rebeingalarmistandthere'snothingtoworryabout."BecauseIfeellikethereisagrowingdividebetweenthoseofusondifferentsidesofthisissue,andIwouldlovetohavesomeinsightfromthemedicalcommunity,fromyourperspective,ofhowtorespondtothatinaneducatedandkindway,buttomakethatpoint.Amy:Oh,sure.SowhenIfirststartedlookingintothis,itwasprobablyabout,Idon'tknow,sixorsevenyearsago.Ithoughttherewouldbedozensormaybehundredsofstudies,andIwasshockedandsurprisedtofindthatthereareliterallythousandsofstudiesonEMF.And,youknow,thedefendersofthetelecomindustryandtechnologywillpointoutthatthereis,youknow,nopreponderanceofproofonthesestudies.Andit's


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truethattheresultsaremixed.HenryLai,he'saprofessorattheUniversityofWashington,andhedidananalysisofstudies,andoverall,therewasabouta56%ratethatshowthatEMFsareharmfulanda44%ratethatshowthattheyarenot.Ifyoubreakitdownbyfunding,ifyoutakeouttheonesthatarefundedbyindustry,itwillshowyouthatabout67%areharmfuland28%arenotharmful.ButIwouldcounterthat,evenifyoudon'ttakeouttheindustry,youknow,perhapsbiasthere,youknow,whenwouldweeverconsideranythingelseassafe,if50%ofthestudysuggestedotherwise?Icantellyouthatsuchaprocedureinmedicineorsuchamedicationwouldneverbeallowed.Youknow,youwouldn't,notinanyotherindustry,youknow,householditems,automobiles,etc.,wouldtherebeanitemthatwouldbe50%safe,that'sjustludicrous.Inmyopinion,youknow,basically,thetelecomindustryisrelyingontheconsumertoprovenon-safetywhenitreallyoughttobeintheircourttoprovethatthesethingsweresafe,tobeginwith.Thesearefrequenciesthathavereallyneverbeentestedonhumans.Katie:Yeah,exactly.AndIhopeandI'msureyousharemyhopethatinthenext10years,we'regoingtoseemoreindependentstudiesonthis,thatcangiveusmoredatatobeabletousetobackthisup.ButIfeel,likeyousaid,that'saperfectpoint,whenhalfofthedataormorethanhalfofthedatashowsit'snotsafe,whywouldweignorethatandthencallitsafe?That'snotevenmathematicallylogicalatall.Amy:Right.Youknow,mythoughtisthatthisindustryreally,rightnow,isn'teventryingtowinthescientificargumentaboutsafety,it'sjusttryingtokeepthisargumentgoing.Idon'tthinkweneedmoreandmoreresearch.Ithinkweneedtoputthebrakesonthingsandrethinkthisandmakecertainthatthisissafebeforeweproceed.Youknow,5Gisjusttheperfectexampleofthat.Katie:Yeah,what'syourtakeon5G?BecauseIknowthat'scomingifit'snotalreadythereforalotofus.Amy:Yeah,absolutely.I'vedonealittlebitofreadingonthatrecently.Andso,5Gisgoingupthespectrum.Andwhenyougoupthespectrum,you'reincreasingtheenergy,youknow,thepowerthere.And5Gwillhavemorepowerinit,andtheseareveryshortlittlewaves,they'recalledmillimeterwaves,MMWs.Andlikethecellphonetowersthatwehaverightnow,thewavelengthsaremuchlonger,thesearethreetoeightgigahertz.Thegigahertzrangefor5Gis30to300,soit'samuchmorepowerfulshorterwavelength.Andwhatthatmeansisithasmorepowerinit,butitdoesn'treallyhavetheabilitytobendorturncorners.Soitwillreallyjustbealineofsightsortofemissionfromthecelltowers,andthatmeansthey'regoingtohavetohavemillionsofthem.There'sgoingtobeone,practicallyoneverytelephonepole,aboutevery250feet.SowhatIthinkthatmeansisthatwe'regoingtohaveamuchdenserelectrosmog.Youknow,rightnow,asyoudrivearoundwithyourcellphone,you'llknow,youhaveonebar,twobars,youknow,fourbars,whathaveyou,you'renotalwaysinthatdensecoverage.Butwith5G,theverytechnologyjustdemandsthat...you'reprobably,eithergoingtobeextremelydenseornoneatall.AndI'mreallyafraidoftheformer.Katie:Yeah,andIlovethatyoujustusetheterm"electrosmog,"becauseIstudiedalittlebitinSwitzerlandatamedicalclinicthere,andIfeellikeEuropeisaheadofusbyfaronthisissue.Andtheyrefertoelectrosmog,whichyoucanprobablydefinebetterthanIcan,butkindofasthecumulativeamountofdirtyelectricity,WiFi,etc.,allthesethingsthatwe'reencounteringonadailybasis,butcanyouexpoundonthatalittlebit?Amy:Iwouldabsolutelyagreewithyourdefinitionthere,Katie.AndIdon't...there'snoofficialdefinitionofit,butweallknowwhatsmoglookslike.There'slessandlessofthat,fortunately,intermsofairquality,butit's


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theanalogousthingfromWiFitowersandfromelectricandmagneticfields.Butmostly,thatwillbecomingfromWiFitowers,mostly,especiallyifyouhave1every250feet.It'sgoingtobedense,andthere'sgoingtobenoescapingit.Katie:Yeah,exactly.Andso,thisisanarea,EMFsensitivityandEMFexposure,it'sanareathatI'veresearchedalotbecause,likeIsaid,Ifeellikeit'ssomethingthatourgenerationneedstoaddress,anditisaffectingourchildren.Andsadly,there'snotalotofgreatinformationoutthere.AndwhatI'mseeingiskindofwhatwesawadecadeagowiththemorenaturalhealthandnaturalfoodmovement,isthatthemomsaretheonesonthefrontlinesgoing,"Somethingiswrongwithmychildandallthemedicalprofessionalsaretellingmeit'sfineandthatkidsarejustnormallylikethis,andIdon'tbelieveit.AndsoI'mgoingtoresearch,andI'mgoingtochangetheirdiet,andI'mgoingtoimprovetheirsleep.Andlook,they'reactingalotbetter."AndIfeellikemomsarenowaskingallthesehardquestionsaboutEMFs,andIfeellikemoms,maybe,aregoingtobetheoneswhostartmitigatingitevenbeforewehave,likeyousaid,abetterunderstandingofitandlesscontroversyinthearea.Ifeellikemomsarestillwillingtotacklethisrightnow.SoI'dlovetogetreallypracticalandtalkabout,firstofall,howwecanknowifEMFsareaprobleminourownindividualhomes.Amy:Sure.Andyou'reright,it'salwaysgoingtobethemoms.And,youknow,you'reright.It'spartofthisancestralawareness,and10yearsagoitwasfood.Iwouldbetthatalotofyourfollowersareallinlinewithbluelightanditsimpactonsleep.AndIthinkthisisjustthenaturalprogressionofthat.Andintermsofmitigatinghomes,well,Ikindofliketoworkbackwards.I'dliketostartwiththewireless.Andideally,believeitornot,you'regoingtogobacktohavingEthernetcordsinyourhome,thatyou'regoingtohookyourcomputer,toyourlaptopto,thatwouldbeidealintermsofevenhavingWiFi.Numbertwotothatwouldbe,toturnyourWiFioffwhenyou'rereallynotusingit,andespeciallyturnitoffatnighttime.Andcertainlyanycellphonesshouldbeinairplanemodeaswellwhenyou'renotusingthemwhenyoudon'tneedacall,andespeciallyatnighttime.Iwouldrecommendthateveryonegobackandbuyanoldclunkercordedphonefortheirhome,becausethecordlessphones,theDECTphones,D-E-C-Tphones,arereallyjustaboutasbadascellphones.They'reconstantlyputtingoutsignalsandthebaseiscommunicatingwiththeremotephones.Sothosearethosearethewirelessthingsthatyouwanttochange.Youalsowanttothinkaboutbabymonitors.Idon'tknowifthereisahardwiredsolutionforone,itwouldseemdifficulttome,butdoyoureallyneedit,Iguess,isagoodquestiontoask.AndanyothersortsofwirelessorBluetooththingsthatyouhave.Gamecontrollers,likePlayStationandwhatnot,apparently,thosewillcommunicateevenintheturnedoffmode.SoyouactuallyhavetounplugthosefromthewallinordertogetthoseBluetoothcommunicationstoquiet.DoyouhaveanyquestionsaboutanyotherwirelesssortofthingthatIcouldaddress?Katie:Ithinkyou'respoton.AndI'veheardthesame,inmyownresearch,aboutthegameconsoles,andwedon'thaveanyofthe...wehaveliketheoldfrommychildhood,Nintendosystem,thatissopixelated,thatit'shardlyavideogamesystem.AndI'mokaywiththatone,andit'susuallyoff.Butallthenewones,theyare.They'realwaysbroadcasting.AndI'veheardpeoplewhotesthousessaythatthosearesomeofthehighestEMFthingsthattheyencounter,arethevideogamesystems.Whatwedoisforbothare...whereourinternetis,andalsowhereourTVis,whereeverythinglike,Iguess,VCR,orBlu-rayplayer,whateveritisnow,andallthatispluggedin,wehavebothofthoseonsurgeprotectorsandwejustturntheswitchoffwhenwe'renot


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usingit,anditturnseverythingoff.Wealsohave,atnight,wehaveatimeronthatsurgeprotector.Soeverythinggoesdownatnightautomatically,andwecouldalsoturnitoffearlier.Sothatwouldbemytiptomoms.It'slikea$10timerthatyougetonAmazonanditmakesiteasierifyouforgettoturnitoff.Itjustautomaticallygoesdownatthekids'bedtime,sothey'renotexposed.Butyeah,Ithinkthat'sagreatsynopsisofthewirelessthing.AndI'veheardpeoplesay,I'mcuriousifyouwouldagree,thatifwecanevenjustreduceourexposureduringsleepbythatmuch,thatthathelpssomuchbecausewearetryingtogetinthatparasympatheticandourcellsaremorevulnerableatnight.Soifyoureducethenighttimeexposure,that'ssuchabig,bigfactor.Andmostofusaren'tevennecessarilyinourhomesalldayanyway,ifyougotkidsatschoolorplayingoutside.Sothatnighttimeexposureseemstobeveryimportant.Wouldyouagreewiththat?Amy:Absolutely.Imean,absolutely.It'sallaboutgettingbackintothatparasympatheticstateandmakingyourenvironmentquiet,dark,youknow,electronicallyquiet.Andyourideaaboutthepowerstripandturningitoffthat...andatimer,that'swonderful.There'sanother...alittlegizmo,that'scalledasmartplug,whereyouactuallyhavearemote.It'sjustlikea,youknow,yourgaragedooropenerorsomething.Andthatyourdeviceplugsintothisotherthingthatplugsintothewall,andyoucanremotelycutitoff,becauseIknowsomepeople'sschedulesarenotalwaysthesame,andyouendup,youknow,unpluggingthetimerandyoudon'tresetitandwhatnot.Everybodyhastofindwhatworksbestforthem,butturningthosethingscompletelyoffatthewall,orunpluggingthemisthesolution.Ididn'tmentionsmartmeters,andthoseare,ofcourse,anotherformofwirelesspollution,andthey'reunavoidableinmanycities.Andyoudon'thaveanycontroloverthatfrequently.Sometimesyoucanpayyourutilitycompanyanextrafeeandavoidthat.That'swhat'shappeninginmycommunity,andIthinkit'sworthit.You'reessentiallypayingforsomeonetowalkaroundandreadyourmeterratherthansomeonedrivingbywithsomedevicethatcanremotelyreadit.Butthesesmartmetershavealotofemissions,they'recommunicatingalot.Andthewaytoprotectyourselfandyourfamilyfromthoseiswithdifferentshieldingsortsofsolutions.AndyouwouldhavetogoononeofthelowEMFsortofsitesonlineandfindshieldingmaterialthatyouwouldputaroundthat,betweenthatinyourhome,sothatitwasonlybroadcastingtowardsthestreetandtrytoreallyminimizetheamountthatisbeingbroadcastintoyourhome.Katie:That'sagoodpoint.And,atleast,fromwhatI'vereadonthat,thegoodthingis,ifyou'reabletoshield,likeyousaid,betweenyourhouseandthemeter,soit'sonlypointingoutit's...thefurtheryougetfromit,itdeclines.TheEMFsdeclinedprettydrastically,likewithinthefirstlikefivefeetseemtobethemostdangerous,forsure.Soit'snotlikeyou'relikebeamingdangerousradiationtoyourneighborunlesstheyhappentobetwofeetawayfromyou.It'sjustyouwanttoblockthatfromcomingintoyourhome.Andunfortunately,wearekindofinaworldwherewehavetomitigatethiskindofthingsifyoucan'toptout,whichis...we'reinthatscenarioaswell.Thankfully,oursmartmeters,notasbadastheycome.Iknowthere'skindofavaryingdegreeofhowbadtheycanbeandhowoftentheybroadcast,butanotheronethosethingstobeawareof,forsure,Amy:Absolutely,yes.


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Katie:Andthen,sothosewouldbewirelessformsofEMFs.AndonethatIfeellikedoesnotgettalkedaboutenoughandthereasonIwassoexcitedtotalktoyouiswiredformsofEMFsbecauseIthinkit'seasy...Alotofusareonboardwithunderstanding,youknow,ourkidsshouldn'tbeplayingwithcellphoneswhenthey'reyoungandtheyshouldn'tbeexposedtoWiFiasmuchaspossible.Butit'shardertograsppotentiallytheideathatwearealsogettingEMFsfromwiresthatareinwalls,thatarenotbroadcastinganything.Socanyouexplainwhat'sgoingonthereandwhatweneedtobeawareof?Amy:Sure,absolutely.Sothewiringinyourhomedoescreatewhat'scalledanelectricalfield.Andalotofpeoplethinkthatifthey'reinabedroom,theyturnofftheceilinglight,theyturnoffthelamp,theygetabattery-poweredclock,thatthey'vedoneeverythingtheyneedtodo,andthey'rereallyunawarethatthatwiringinthewallisaffectingthem.Otherpeoplethink...theytakeitastepfurther,andtheyjustunplugstuff.Well,thatwiringisstillthere.Aslongasthatwiringislive,itiscreatinganelectricalfieldwhichextendsfromthewallout,oh,aboutsixfeetorso,it'svariable,butit'sdefinitelythere.Andyoucanmeasureit,youcanmeasureitwitharegularoldvoltmeter,$20voltmeter.Andinsteadofclippingtheendontoawirethatyou'remeasuringvoltage,youholditonyourbody.Andasyougetupclosetothewall,youwillhavemoreofwhat'scalledbodyvoltage,andasyouworkwalkfurtheraway,yourbodyvoltagewillfalloff.ThesearereferredtoasACelectricfields,alternatingcurrentelectricfields,oranincreasedbodyvoltage.AndIsaiditatonepointinourtalkherethatthescienceisreallypointingthatitdoesn'tmatterifitisawiredformofEMF,asinthewiredelectricfieldsthatcomefromyourhome'swalls,orwireless,thatit'salllikelyaffectingourphysiologyinthesamesortofwayand,overtime,damagingusinthesamesortofway.Sowhatyouwanttodois,ideally,youwanttoturnthatpowerofftoyoursleepingareaatnightandreduceallofyourwirelessformsofemissionlikewetalkedaboutpreviously.Andthereareremotecutoffswitchesthatyoucangetto,youknow,killswitchestohelpwiththisprocess.Youcangoouttoyourpanel,whichistypicallylocatedinyourgarageorbasement,andturnoffyourcircuitbreakers.ButIwouldhavethecaveattherethatyouwouldreallyonlywanttodothatifyourcircuitbreakersareswitchrated.Mostcircuitbreakersinthiscountryarenot,andthey'renotreallymeanttofunctionasswitchesovertime.Youknow,they'remeanttobeturnedonandoffforservicingandfortroubleshootingproblems,butdailyturningthoseoffandoncancausethemtomalfunction,andreallyrepresentahazard.Sodon'tdothat,unlessyouhavecircuitbreakersthatareswitchrated.Butwhenyoudothat,youhavekilledthepowertothatsleepingarea,andthatisthebestwaytoeliminatethosefields.It'stheonlywaytoeliminatethoseelectricfields.Katie:That'sgoodtoknow.

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Katie:AndIknowthatyouhavekindofapersonalbackstorywithEMFsandhowyougotintothis.BecauseIknow,it'snotsupercommon.I'veencounteredveryfewmedicalprofessionalswhoaresoknowledgeableaboutEMFs,soifit'snottoopersonalofatopic,canyouactuallysharekindofyourown,asalittlebitofadeviationfromthetopic,yourownjourneyintowhyhowyourealizethiswassoimportant,andthenthesolutionthatyouhavenowfiguredoutthatishelpfulwithwhatyoujusttalkedabout?Amy:Yeah,sure.So,youknow,likeyoualludedto,itwasa,forme,itwasagrowing,youknow,ancestralhealthawareness.Itstartedwiththedietarychangesformyselfandmyfamily,andkids,and,youknow,andtryingtoencouragemypatientsaswell.Andthenitmovedinto,youknow,thebluelightandthatsortofmitigation.AndlightandEMFareonthesamespectrum,anditjustmadesensetome,justlikeitdidtoyouthatit'snotnatural.Youknow,ifweusenatureasourultimatestandard,ifthat'sthewholepointoftheancestralmovement,thenweneedtoaddress,youknow,EMFsinthesamemanner.Soaboutfiveorsixyearsago,Istartedwalkingouttothegarageandthrowingthematthebreaker.Inthebeginning,Ijustthrewthemainbreaker,becauseIdidn'tknowaboutthisbodyvoltagetestingandhowtobereallypreciseandnothaveto,youknow,cutoffrefrigeration,andheating,andcooling,andfans,andwhatnot.SoIjustdidthewholething.Andthenafterawhile,youknow,youwouldforgetandthedogswillbebarkinginthemiddleofthenight,oryouhavetogetupandgotothebathroomandwhathaveyou.Itbecameapparenttomethatevenforsomeonewhoisreallymotivatedlikemyselfandhadarathersimpleone-storyhome,Ididn'thavetonavigatebasementstairsandwhatnot,thatitjustwasn'treallysustainable.SoImetandmarriedmycurrenthusbandaboutfourorfiveyearsago.Andhekindofthought...hescratchedmyhead.Hehasabackgroundinelectronicsandindustrialcontrolandwhatnot,andhethoughtIwasanunusualpersontobedoingthat.Becausewithhisbackgroundinelectronics,hejustwasn'tawareofthese


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problems.Butnonetheless,hegotonboard.Andultimately,kindofasahoney-doproject,hecreatedaremoteswitchsothatwecan,fromourbedroom,justcutoffthecircuits.Becausereally,whatyouhavetodois,youhavetomitigatetheseEMFs,theonesthatyoucan,whenyoucanandwhereyoucan.Sowhat,when,andwhere.Youmaynotbeabletocontrolsomeaspectsof,youknow,theradiofrequencyexposure.Youknow,youmaynotbeabletofullyshieldyoursmartmeter.Youmaynotbeabletofullytakecareofsomemagneticfieldoffofsomenearbyappliance,butyoutrytohitallthepointsthatyoucan,becausesomemitigationisbetterthanthenone,youknow,byalongstretch.So,wehavewehavethatproductthatwehave,youknow,justreallystartedmarketinghereinthepastfewmonths,andwe'retryingtohelpasmanypeopleaswecanandtryingtomakeitwhereit'seasytodo.Becauseithastointegrateinyourbedtimeroutine,itcan'tbetoodifficult.Andpeoplereallyneedtogetonthisbecausethisisabigproblem.Katie:Iagree.Ithink,likeyousaid,there'ssomuchresearchonthis.AndI'msoglad,whenIfoundyouguys,atPaleof(x),Iwassoexcited,becauseIhadbeentryingtofigureoutthesameoftypethinginturningoffcircuitbreakersandwhichonestoturnoff,andit'snotasustainablething,andthenyouforgettodoit.Soit'skindofliketheideaofhavingthetimerontheWiFioraremoteorsomething,likeyoumaynotremembertodoiteverynightorpeoplewouldatdifferenttimes.Andso,nowwe'reusingwhatyoucreated,whatiscalledtheEMFkill-switch,inourhouse,andit'ssomucheasier.AndsoI'dloveifyoucouldgiveusanexplanationofkindofexactly,basically,whatitisandhowitworks.Andalso,whenyougetoneofthese,howyouneedtotalktoanelectricianorwhoever'sinstallingit,because,likeIsaid,Ithinkthat'sanareathatnotalotofthemarefamiliarwith,necessarily.Iwasluckythatmydadisverywellversedinthis,butIknownoteveryonehasadadwhocaninstallanEMFkill-switch,socanyoutalkaboutthatimplementationprocess?Amy:Sure.Sothekillswitchisbasicallyanaccessoryelectricalpanelthatyoumountnexttoyourmainelectricalpanel,and,likeIsaid,that'stypicallyinthegarageorbasement.Andthislittlepanel,it'saboutafootbyfootsquare.Ithasabigmetalcordthatthenconnectsovertoyourmainpanel.Andyourelectriciandoesn'tevenhavetogetintothegutsofthewhatwecalltheEMFkill-switch,whichisthislittleaccessorypanel,buthejusthooksupthewiresthatcomeoutofthereinareallyaprettystraightforwardwaythat'sverywelloutlinedwithgoodinstructions.Andhehooksthemuptothecircuitsthatyouhavedeterminedneededtobecutoffatnighttimetobringyourbodyvoltageaslowaspossible.AndyouhavetogothroughthatbodyvoltagetestingprocesslikeIbrieflytalkedaboutearlier,whereyou'reholdingontoaleadandyou'retestingyourbodyvoltageinyourroom.Butthistimeinsteadofmovingclosertothewalltoseeyourbodyvoltagegoupandmovingawayandseeingyourbodyvoltagedrop,youendupturningoffdifferentcircuitsandseeingwhichonesareinthewallssurroundingyoursleepingareaandneedtobeturnedoff.Forexample,ifyourbedroomisupagainstastudyandthere'sacommonwall,thenyouprobablyarealsogoingtohavetoturnofftheelectricityinthe...mostoftheelectricityintheroomthat,youknow,thatgoestothestudy,becausethosewiresarerunninginacommonwall.Luckily,inmosthomes,youknow,bedroomsarekindofgroupedandyoucantakecareofmorethanonebedroomandyouwon'thavetointerferewith


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otherareasthathavetobelitupfor,youknow,forpeoplewhostayuplater,thatmayormaynotbeanissue.Butyoukindofhavetogothroughaprocesswhereyoukindoffigureitout.It'snotreallyhard.Ittakessometime,ittakestwopeople.Onepersonoutatthebreakerboxturningoffcircuitsandtheotherpersoninthehouse,youknow,recordingmeasurements.Andit'sanhourlongprocess,andyou'llfindoutwhichcircuitsareaffectingyoursleepingarea.Andbasically,youknow,putlittletagsonthosecircuitbreakers,andthenyourelectriciancomesinandheinterfacesthosecircuitswithouraccessorycontrolbox.Andthen,oncethosearehookedupfromyourbedroom,youhavealittleremotekey,littlekeyfob,justlikeyouopenyourcarwith,andwhenyougotobedatnight,youjusthitthelittlebuttonthere.Ifyouneedelectricityinthemiddleofthenight,youhititagainand,onceagain,inthemorningyouturneverythingon,youknow,righttherefromyourbedroom.There'snorunningaroundanddoingthings.Soit'sprettyhandy.We'vehadoursgoingforayear.AndIcandefinitelytellthatIhavebettersleep.Everyonceinawhile,wecompletelyforgettoturnitoffandI'llwakeupandI'llbelike,"Yeah,thatwas..."Youknow,it'skindofreassuringtoactuallyhaveabadnightandseewhy.Youknow,it'sbeensohelpfultomethatI'mreallytryingtogetthewordoutandhaveotherpeoplegetonboardwiththisaswell.Katie:Yeah,forsure.AndIrecordedsomejustveryroughvideowhenwewereinstallingours,kindofshowingtheprocessandthevoltagemeterandallthat.SoassoonasIhavetimetoeditit,hopefully,beforethispodcastairs,I'llmakesuretolinktoit.ButI'llpublishthatjusttokindofshowbecauseitreallyisnotadifficultprocesstoinstall,itwaseasierthanIexpected.Itdoestakealittlebitoftime,butitisn'thard.AndIthinkyou'vegivensuchagoodmedicalandscientificexplanationforwhyweneedtotacklethistopicandwhyit'ssoimportant,especiallyforthoseofuswhohavekidsinourhouse.AndIfeellike,fromamom'sperspective,andcertainly,whereIwaswhenIfirststartedresearchingthis,itcanbesooverwhelming,andyoucangetintothatanalysisparalysis.Andlike,Ihearfrompeopleallthetime,like,"Well,everythingisgoingtokillus,soImightaswelljustnotdoanything."AndsoI'dlovetohear,kindof,aswestarttogettowardtheend,ifyoucouldjustwrapupbyexplainingwhy...Imean,you'vemadesuchagoodcase,butwhyweneedtoputthisintoactionandwhyevenbabystepsaresoimportanttogetstartedandwhereyou'drecommendstarting.Amy:Sure.Soanalysisparalysis,Katie,Iseethatalotinmypracticetoo.Youknow,peoplewillsay,"Oh,Iwanttoresearchthat.Youknow,IwanttotaketimeandbeforeIputitinaction,reallylearnaboutit."Andbasically,whathappenswhenpeopletellmethatIthink,"Oh,no,they'regoingtodonothing."Andthat'skindofwhathappens.Andwecertainlyseethat,youknow,acrosstheboard,whenpeoplegetoverwhelmed,that'skindofabigresponse.Andthat'swhatI'mtryingto...Itrynottooverwhelmpeople.Iprobablyoverwhelmpeopleherewithalotofthisdataandeverything,butIthinktherealtakeawaysarethattherearesolutionsforlivingwithourtechnology,youknow,it'llfallshortofbecomingaLuddite,andlivinginacaveortent,likeyoualludedto.Youreallyhavetobeyouandyourfamily'sadvocateforhealthinregard,youknow,inmanyareas,inmyopinion,but,especiallyinsomethinglikethis,Iguaranteeyou,yourdoctorhashadnotraining.Youmayhaveaninformeddoctorandyoucouldspeakwithhimaboutitbutyou'regoingtohavetoeducateyourself,trynottogetoverwhelmed,theanalysisparalysis,andtakesomeformofactionandthenbuildoffofthat.Itishighlyunlikelythatyou'regoingtodoanythingwrongthatcanhurtyourself,sodon'tbeafraidofmistakes.


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Youknow,justkeeplearningaboutthisandimplementingsmallchanges,maybeanoccasionalbigchange.Keepworkingonyourchildrensothey'renottechnologyaddicted.Ihavepeoplethattheydon'twanttodothisbecausethey'reafraidoftheirteenager'srevolt,youknow,aboutnothavingtheWiFionuntil2:00a.m.orsomethinglikethat.You'regoingtoneedtomakethesestands,andsomearegoingtobeharderthanothers,butIjustthinkit'ssoimportant.Ithinkit'ssuchabighealthissue.Katie:Iagree.Andlikeyou,Ithinkwe'regoingtoseeonlymoreandmore,unfortunately,ofthis,unlesswetackleit,andmoreandmoreintheliterature.Andjust,thisissuchagrowingtopic,andIthinkyou'redoinganexcellentjobbothinyourpracticeandplaceslikenowexplainingitandgettingthewordout.Andthatwouldbemyencouragementtootherwomenandmomsaswelloranyonelistening,istojuststartmakingthebabystepsandseebecause...IknowfirsthandandIhaveclosefriends,haveallhadthesameexperience.Yousleepsomuchbetter,thereisadifferenceand,especiallythedifferenceiswecan'tseethatovertimethatkids,hopefully,notdevelopingtheseproblemsandprotectingtheirDNAastheygrowandprotectingthosevoltage-gatedbumpsthatyoutalkedabout,thingswecan'timmediatelymeasure,butthataregoingtohavesuchabigimpactontheirlivesgoingforward.SoIlovethatyou'respreadingthewordaboutthis.AndanotherquestionI'dlovetoaskaswewrapupisifthere'safavoritebookthat'sreallyhadanimpactonyouorchangedyourlifeinsomewaythatyouwouldrecommend?Amy:Well,goodquestion.Youknow,about10or12yearsago,Imean,thisisreallyofftopic,butIreadMichaelPollan's,"TheOmnivore'sDilemma."And,youknow,it'sabout...haveyoureadthatbook,Katie?Katie:Ihave,yeah.Amy:Yeah.So,youknow,it'sabouttakingkindofadifferentlookat,youknow,whatitmeanstobeahumanandbeingabletoeatanything,butmaybenotanythingandeverythingisgoodforyou.AndIthinkthatkindofwasthebeginningofmythinkingalittlebitdifferently.Itwasveryeye-openingforme.Andthatsparkedmymovementintotheancestralsortofmovementonfoodandlightandeverything.Sothatwasahugebookforme.Katie:Yeah,suchagoodbook,andIlovehisquoteabout,eatrealfood,nottoomuch,mostlyplants.Ithink,that'sonethingI...offtopicaswell,butIthinksomuchofourargumentsintheancestralhealthworldorthehealthworld,ingeneral,aboutwhattypeofexactdietisbest?Andlike,attheendoftheday,weagreeon90%ofstuff.Andallofuswouldsaythatvegetablesareimportantandgoodandthatweneedcleanproteins,whateverthatmeans.AndIthinkifwefocusedonwhatweagreeonandeatingmorehealthyplantsources,eventhoseofuswhoeatmeat,thatwewouldgoalongwaytowardsgettingalothealthier,butIlovethatbook.Amy:Yeah,Imean,It'sabout,youknow,eatrealfoods.Andnatureistheultimatestandardhere.And,youknow,it'sourstandardinfoodfororganicandnon-GMO.It'sourstandardinfoodfor...it'sourstandardforairandwaterquality,youknow.AndIthink,youknow,soitneedstobewithourexposuretoEMR.Weneedtothinkaboutmore,whatismoreofanaturalsortofcondition.Wedon'tneedtogiveupourtechnology,butIthinkweneedtomakeverythoughtfulandcarefulchoices.Katie:Iagree.Andlastly,ifthere'sapieceofadvicethatyoucouldspreadfarandwide,Iknowyou'vespreadalotofgreatadviceinthisinterview,butthatyoucouldjustpassontoalotofpeople,whatwoulditbeand


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why?Amy:Well,Ithinkitgoesbacktothosesolutionsexist,anddon'tgetoverwhelmed,takebabysteps.It'swhatinsideofyourhomeiswhatcountsthemost.Thisiswhatbuildingbiologiststalkabout.Everybodygetsthatoverwhelmed,"Ohmygosh,"youknow,"Google'sputtingupballoonsandmyneighborhas,youknow,18routers,"sortoffeelingandtheyjustkindofshutdown,andthat'swhatIdon'twanttoseehappen.Iwantpeopletryittochangetheirownpersonalenvironmentsandimprovetheirown...andtheirfamily'shealth.Katie:Iloveit,100%agreewithyou.AndIknowwe'vetalkedaboutalotofdifferentthings,allthelinkstothosewillbeintheshownotes,especiallythelinktotheEMFkill-switchthatIhaveinstalledinmyhouseand,hopefully,thevideoofhowIdidit,ifit'sreadytogobythen,andthoseareallatwellnessmama.fm.Soifyou'redrivingorrunning,orwhateveryoudowhileyoulistentothepodcast,don'tworryaboutwritingitdown,justcheckoutthisepisodethere.AndDr.Amy,Iappreciateyousomuch,yourtime.Iknowthatyouarebusy,bothasapediatricianandtryingtogetthewordoutaboutEMFs,anditmeansalotthatyoutooktimetobehereandtoexplainthistoday,andI'mveryappreciative.Amy:Ihadsomuchfun,Katie.Andyeah,everybody,startlearningandstartimplementing.Katie:Absolutely.And,likeIsaid,I'llhavesomespringboardlinksforthemtokeepresearchingmoreandlinkstothekill-switchintheshownotes.Youguyscancheckthoseout.Andthankstoallofyou,ofcourse,forlistening,andIhopetoseeyouagainnexttimeon"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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